Sage Duo Temp Pro Espresso Machine £249 @ Amazon
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Sage Duo Temp Pro Espresso Machine £249 @ Amazon

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Found 24th Dec 2017
This is an entry level manual espresso machine from Sage (Breville in the USA). I have this machine, I think it's great for beginners like me. It has a PID (temperature control) which people pay over £100 to have added to their machines.

Pros:
PID temperature control
Quick on to brew time, ready to brew after 20 seconds
Milk steam wand, includes milk pitcher
Includes pressurised and non-pressurised baskets.
Automatically brings water temperature down for brewing after using the steam wand.

Cons:
Single boiler (expected at this price range)
Slow steam wand
54mm portafilter, not 56mm (which is the industry standard I believe)
Temperature not adjustable, fixed at 93C
Drip tray gets full quick.
Cup warmer at the top is useless.
Group head requires regular cleaning as it gets clogged.

This is the lowest price I've seen it for a new machine. Same price at John Lewis.
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Two year guarantee at John Lewis - how do Amazon stack up on guarantee? It’s not something I’d thought about before...!
Same price at Lakeland, and they give a 3 year no quibble guarantee (and IMHO have much better customer service than JL):

lakeland.co.uk/705…810
It’s a cracking machine for the price; in various coffee forums it’s regarded better than Gaggia Classic and the Rancilio Silvia. I bought one a couple of years ago for £280; this is a cracking price.
RufusA1 h, 55 m ago

Same price at Lakeland, and they give a 3 year no quibble guarantee (and …Same price at Lakeland, and they give a 3 year no quibble guarantee (and IMHO have much better customer service than JL):http://www.lakeland.co.uk/70535/Sage™-The-Duo-Temp™-Pro-Espresso-Coffee-Machine-BES810



We are expecting delivery of this product on 03 Jan 2018 and we will dispatch it as soon as it comes into stock
Edited by: "rodman" 24th Dec 2017
Gotta say SAGE sounds much higher end than bloody Breville 🤨
>> Has "PID (temperature control)"

>> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at 93C


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ruffedgrouse23 m ago

>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at …>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at 93C[Image]



Temperature regulation as opposed to ability to vary temperature
Great price for a great coffee machine. Yeah it’s a bit fiddly and not bean to cup, but if you enjoy a really delicious coffee then get it!
I have this and it's very good. Better than any gaggia I have had over the last twenty years.
Shall i buy this or wait for the bigger one with built in grinder to go on sale ? If i buy this whats a good grinder?
jamesgreeley41 m ago

Shall i buy this or wait for the bigger one with built in grinder to go on …Shall i buy this or wait for the bigger one with built in grinder to go on sale ? If i buy this whats a good grinder?


I enjoy my bean to cup machine but if you’re going for this then get a burr grinder. There’s a cuisinart auto burr one which cost about £60 which id recommend. The actual Sage branded one costs about £200 I think.
ruffedgrouse3 h, 16 m ago

>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at …>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at 93C[Image]


obviously you have no idea what PID means. My current machine is not and you can hear the heater go on and off and the temperature varies around the set point.
clicko24th Dec

Two year guarantee at John Lewis - how do Amazon stack up on guarantee? …Two year guarantee at John Lewis - how do Amazon stack up on guarantee? It’s not something I’d thought about before...!


Check John Lewis customer service reviews online. They provide the worst service I have experienced anywhere. In contrast, amazon are fantastic and I've even had refunds when the item is out of warranty.
Edited by: "dirkthedaring71" 25th Dec 2017
jamesgreeley10 h, 39 m ago

Shall i buy this or wait for the bigger one with built in grinder to go on …Shall i buy this or wait for the bigger one with built in grinder to go on sale ? If i buy this whats a good grinder?


A good quality grinder for the home will set you back at least £250, like the EUREKA MIGNON MK2, the grinder in the sage machines are not that good to be honest.
The grinder is as important if not more important than the espresso machine itself. I got the breville smart grinder which is good, but if you already have one you could always upgrade in the future.
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Edited by: "tazinio" 25th Dec 2017
chelseablue53 m ago

A good quality grinder for the home will set you back at least £250, like …A good quality grinder for the home will set you back at least £250, like the EUREKA MIGNON MK2, the grinder in the sage machines are not that good to be honest.


Have you tried the Sage Smart Grinder, how does it compare? Grinders are definitely important though unlike speaker cables.
tazinio20 m ago

Have you tried the Sage Smart Grinder, how does it compare? Grinders are …Have you tried the Sage Smart Grinder, how does it compare? Grinders are definitely important though unlike speaker cables.


Yes I tried the Sage grinder, it has conical Burr's if I remember rightly, I found that it heated the coffee beans slightly while grinding, so when I tried the EUREKA MIGNON MK2, which has flat Burr's the grinds were nice and cool, so I chose the Mignon over the sage for that reason, but the only problem with flat burr grinders is that it holds the coffee grinds, and conical don't, but it's easy to clean though.
chelseablue20 m ago

Yes I tried the Sage grinder, it has conical Burr's if I remember rightly, …Yes I tried the Sage grinder, it has conical Burr's if I remember rightly, I found that it heated the coffee beans slightly while grinding, so when I tried the EUREKA MIGNON MK2, which has flat Burr's the grinds were nice and cool, so I chose the Mignon over the sage for that reason, but the only problem with flat burr grinders is that it holds the coffee grinds, and conical don't, but it's easy to clean though.


Fair enough, that was one of the reasons I went for the conical burr. In comparison to a £40 Delonghi grinder I had it's awesome but it would be wouldn't it?
tazinio27 m ago

Fair enough, that was one of the reasons I went for the conical burr. In …Fair enough, that was one of the reasons I went for the conical burr. In comparison to a £40 Delonghi grinder I had it's awesome but it would be wouldn't it?


There is no comparison between the £40 Delonghi and the Sage, the Delonghi doesn't grind fine enough for espresso, it's ok for moka pots, French press, and filter coffee, but useless for coffee machines.
m12_shakes18 h, 8 m ago

It’s a cracking machine for the price; in various coffee forums it’s reg …It’s a cracking machine for the price; in various coffee forums it’s regarded better than Gaggia Classic and the Rancilio Silvia. I bought one a couple of years ago for £280; this is a cracking price.


Gaggia will last forever and can be serviced. As I understand this is essentially waste.
chelseablue47 m ago

There is no comparison between the £40 Delonghi and the Sage, the Delonghi …There is no comparison between the £40 Delonghi and the Sage, the Delonghi doesn't grind fine enough for espresso, it's ok for moka pots, French press, and filter coffee, but useless for coffee machines.


I used to use it for the Aeropress, you're right, doesn't apply to espresso machines. Even with the Aeropress I was surprised in the difference in taste of the coffee using a better a grinder.
ruffedgrouse15 h, 21 m ago

>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at …>> Has "PID (temperature control)">> Temperature not adjustable, fixed at 93C[Image]


A little knowledge as they say is a dangerous thing. Proportional Integral Derivative control of any variable, including temperature, simply refers to accurate CONTROL of a set parameter without significant fluctuations, not the ability to set multiple desired values of said parameter.

Here's a simple guide without the calculus:
eurotherm.com/pid…asy
Great price. I have the Barista Express which is an amazing machine. If you buy this, you need it factor in the grinder costs which for a decent one can set you back a few hundred. This would then put in the price bracket of the Barista Express (around £450). Just a point to consider before pulling the trigger.
I have the duo temp pro and it is excellent, but has been previously stated you need a good grinder to get the best out of it. The eureka mignon mk2 is excellent for this and vastly outperforms the sage grinders etc. The barista express is good but the separates make better coffee.

Get ready for a new obsession, remember the most important factor is freshly roasted and ground beans, so you’ll need to buy from a place that roasts and sends beans direct to you. Plenty of places around but I can recommend django coffee as a great place to subscribe to.
dave_stuf6714 h, 28 m ago

obviously you have no idea what PID means. My current machine is not and …obviously you have no idea what PID means. My current machine is not and you can hear the heater go on and off and the temperature varies around the set point.


hcc272 h, 23 m ago

A little knowledge as they say is a dangerous thing. Proportional Integral …A little knowledge as they say is a dangerous thing. Proportional Integral Derivative control of any variable, including temperature, simply refers to accurate CONTROL of a set parameter without significant fluctuations, not the ability to set multiple desired values of said parameter.Here's a simple guide without the calculus:https://www.eurotherm.com/pid-control-made-easy


I did actually look up PID before posting my comment. But c'mon, describing it as "temperature control" and not "constant temperature regulation" on a consumer-facing deals website is asking for trouble. 99/100 people reading will assume "temperature control" allows you to - surprise - control the temperature! But it doesn't.

As for an espresso machine, I have a De'Longhi EC680 which is much cheaper and which I'd strongly recommend.
Is a coffee shop included in the price?
Edited by: "Looking4Glitches" 26th Dec 2017
Still can’t decide between this the express or the Sean 4200
Nabeelkhuweis13 m ago

Still can’t decide between this the express or the Sean 4200


I bought the duo temp and the smart pro grinder. The grinder on the express has a narrower range compared to the separate grinder as it is only meant for the espressos on the machine. The smart grinder pro has a bigger range so you can use it for cafetieres, drip-coffee etc.

As I personally only make espresso I should have gone for the express at the time but at this price it's worth getting this and a separate grinder. The espresso making components and the steam wand are the same.
Gaggia are rubbish now
ruffedgrouse25th Dec

I did actually look up PID before posting my comment. But c'mon, …I did actually look up PID before posting my comment. But c'mon, describing it as "temperature control" and not "constant temperature regulation" on a consumer-facing deals website is asking for trouble. 99/100 people reading will assume "temperature control" allows you to - surprise - control the temperature! But it doesn't.As for an espresso machine, I have a De'Longhi EC680 which is much cheaper and which I'd strongly recommend.


That's definitely how I'd read it. At least I know know - worthwhile discussion.
Edited by: "Wolfylee" 29th Dec 2017
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