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money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 16:05

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Having a healthy amount of vitamin C is a good thing. Giving potentially misleading advice on the Internet isn’t.
Edited by: "Flapjackdoodoo" 4th Apr
AbigailBriggs04/04/2020 16:03

I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. …I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/


Clinical evidence summaries with a sample size of 12 people are basically worthless.
Nearly read Sambuca for a sec... 🙈
Can we please stop spreading misinformation.
Oral vitamin-c like this product is not proven to be in any way effective against covid-19 or will it “boost your immune system”. In fact it might give ppl false sense of security that they’re somehow protected against covid-19. Fresh fruit and veg is all we need in great majority of cases. The studies available on the internet lack any validity,and even then, they give it intravenously in hospital in addition to conventional therapy. British national formulary search will tell you that vitamin-c is currently only for treatment and prevention of scurvy, which again is given at higher doses.
Just stay at home and seek appropriate medical advice if you develop the symptoms.
Please don’t give any medical advice if you’re not a doctor.
Edited by: "crazys88" 4th Apr
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Nearly read Sambuca for a sec... 🙈
Thanks op bought fir the kids!
It's a shame this is only 120ml, the servings make the bottle expire quickly.
Adults 2 servings 10ml and Children 1 serving 5ml
Price is abit high for the price of boosting immunity in my opinion.
I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/113…18/
AbigailBriggs04/04/2020 16:03

I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. …I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/


Thanks cancelled my order.
AKA snake oil. Maybe take zinc with vitamin C tablets(one a day 90 pack is £1 in the Range).
Edited by: "marty-401" 4th Apr
AbigailBriggs04/04/2020 16:03

I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. …I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/


Reading the article...basically if you're healthy...its good for your immune system? But if you have underlying health conditions this could affect it...right?
marty-40104/04/2020 16:11

AKA snake oil. Maybe take zinc with vitamin C tablets(one a day 30 pack is …AKA snake oil. Maybe take zinc with vitamin C tablets(one a day 30 pack is £1 in the Range).


Agree. This stuff is complete twaddle.
Is this a replacement for food
£1 multivitamins from Morrisons - 60 in a tub.

Vitamin A, D3, E, K1, C, Thiamin (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Niacin, B6, Folic acid, B12, Biotin, Pantothenic acid - 100% RDA recommended daily allowance of each.

Vitamin A, C, D and B6 help your immune system to work normally.
Edited by: "MM0SDK" 4th Apr
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 16:05

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Having a healthy amount of vitamin C is a good thing. Giving potentially misleading advice on the Internet isn’t.
Edited by: "Flapjackdoodoo" 4th Apr
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 16:05

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Can you supply some evidence for your statement. If true it could save a lot of lives. If false it could cost people their lives!
AbigailBriggs04/04/2020 16:03

I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. …I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/


Clinical evidence summaries with a sample size of 12 people are basically worthless.
Most of these supplements just end up down the pan... Literally. Our bodies tend to recognise an excess of any vitamins and dispose of them naturally.
lumens04/04/2020 17:06

Can you supply some evidence for your statement. If true it could save a …Can you supply some evidence for your statement. If true it could save a lot of lives. If false it could cost people their lives!


I dont understand you're statement that vitamin C could cost people their lives? It's a vitamin it will not harm anyone just show some people some symptoms if it does not agree with them.
Snake oil and a ridiculous amount of pseudoscientific nonsense being peddled in this thread.
AbigailBriggs04/04/2020 16:03

I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. …I've read An article that this reacts badly with the coronavirus convoids. I was taking it but have stopped since discovering this. Article is below. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/



Elderberry has been associated with production of Cytokine storm, however if you check the studies it's not conclusive evidence. There is evidence from the British Medical Journal to take Vitamin D, other nutraceuticals such as N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, Vitamin C, Beta Glucan and Citrus Bioflavanoids have evidence of effect in Influenza and recent research with respect to this Novel Coronavirus have found Citrus Bioflavanoids have anti viral effect similar to the HIV drugs that that currently being tested. The large caveat being that because the research is so new it hasn't been peer reviewed.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub…441

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc…04/

If you care to look at Table 2 in this paper then it lists the organic compounds which have been studied to reduce and/or block virus replication specific to SARS-CoV-2, it's a preprint and NOT peer reviewed >

researchgate.net/pub…ion

The main issue would be obtaining these bioflavanoids in the quantity required and also the pharmaceutical grade quality. However one could assume that a varied diet of citrus fruit may assist marginally. With regards to the herb Skullcap, it blocks the binding receptor site ACE2 which the virus uses to enter the cell, however this isn't the only method of cell entry the virus uses. The virus has an almost perfect and quite stunningly evolved design to enter the cell, it is a true wonder of nature in this respect, a feared opponent which has of course completely transformed all of our lives.

Lastly this is the meta analysis study of Vitamin D in respiratory infection by the reknowned British Medical Journal, and effectively an N=10,993 trial, so a huge amount of people studied " 25 eligible randomised controlled trials (total 11 321 participants, aged 0 to 95 years) were identified. IPD were obtained for 10 933 (96.6%) participants.">

bmj.com/con…583


From the available data there isn't enough or much evidence or perhaps even any to suggest that Elderberry can assist in fighting a COVID-19 infection. The only data I've shown that has strong evidence is for Vitamin D in treating respiratory infection or rather reducing the incidence thereof.
Edited by: "fishmaster" 4th Apr
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 17:41

I dont understand you're statement that vitamin C could cost people their …I dont understand you're statement that vitamin C could cost people their lives? It's a vitamin it will not harm anyone just show some people some symptoms if it does not agree with them.


Because reading your statement people could delay seeking help, thinking I’ll just keep taking Vitamin C because I heard people on the internet stating it’s the best thing for Covid-19!
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 16:05

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Vitamin mega dosing is an idea proposed by the Orthomolecular movement of the 1950's - 1970's devised by Dr Abram Hoffer and supported by the Nobel prize winning scientist Linus Pauling. Having said this, science has not found results to suggest that vitamin mega dosing is useful. China are apparently trialling large amounts of Vitamin C to treat the infection, but this is different from finding current evidence that it works.

quackwatch.org/rel…ds/

quackwatch.org/rel…ng/
Can we please stop spreading misinformation.
Oral vitamin-c like this product is not proven to be in any way effective against covid-19 or will it “boost your immune system”. In fact it might give ppl false sense of security that they’re somehow protected against covid-19. Fresh fruit and veg is all we need in great majority of cases. The studies available on the internet lack any validity,and even then, they give it intravenously in hospital in addition to conventional therapy. British national formulary search will tell you that vitamin-c is currently only for treatment and prevention of scurvy, which again is given at higher doses.
Just stay at home and seek appropriate medical advice if you develop the symptoms.
Please don’t give any medical advice if you’re not a doctor.
Edited by: "crazys88" 4th Apr
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 17:37

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The Daily Mail would not be my go to source for medical literature. The information in this piece is completely flawed. Just because they gave Vit-C to some people and they did better, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have done better having not been given Vitamin-C.
I’m not saying it doesn’t work or worth trying for ARDS in an ITU setting, but statements like yours are misleading and not helpful.
lumens04/04/2020 18:03

Because reading your statement people could delay seeking help, thinking …Because reading your statement people could delay seeking help, thinking I’ll just keep taking Vitamin C because I heard people on the internet stating it’s the best thing for Covid-19!


Well if that's the case, then it seems the whole world would have no common sense. The symptoms and advice is clearly given by NHS. Every1 is entitled to an opinion on a vitamin item that is posted.
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 18:16

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People are not stupid? I see 'people' have set mobile phone masts on fire as there is a rumor that 5g signals can increase the potency or infection rate of the virus. There is obviously no link between the two and it's depressing that the government have actually had to come out and say as much.
spunkyjon04/04/2020 18:23

People are not stupid? I see 'people' have set mobile phone masts on fire …People are not stupid? I see 'people' have set mobile phone masts on fire as there is a rumor that 5g signals can increase the potency or infection rate of the virus. There is obviously no link between the two and it's depressing that the government have actually had to come out and say as much.


Yet again this is an opinion.......
lumens04/04/2020 18:17

The Daily Mail would not be my go to source for medical literature. The …The Daily Mail would not be my go to source for medical literature. The information in this piece is completely flawed. Just because they gave Vit-C to some people and they did better, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have done better having not been given Vitamin-C.I’m not saying it doesn’t work or worth trying for ARDS in an ITU setting, but statements like yours are misleading and not helpful.


In a time like this it makes me wonder, when one can not have an opinion without being thrown stones at. Vitamin C is a vitamin that should be taken regardless of this outbreak. Everyone can go on and on but if you have any common sense then you will find out the facts yourself and not go by a thread on here.....
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 18:18

Well if that's the case, then it seems the whole world would have no …Well if that's the case, then it seems the whole world would have no common sense. The symptoms and advice is clearly given by NHS. Every1 is entitled to an opinion on a vitamin item that is posted.


There are lots of people on the internet with illnesses that happily trade common sense for a sense of hope. They seek out information and often get mislead by people spreading false, non-evidence based information...
spunkyjon04/04/2020 18:26

I'm not sure you got my point...


What you have stated is an opinion that these people are basically wrong for doing what they have?

Everyone has an opinion. You're opinion from the sound of it is you do not agree 5g is the cause of the outbreak
Oh I totally agree being a chronically disabled person. But I have common sense. Anyways let that be the end of it. Stay safe and Best wishes
You just posted “vitamin-c is the thing for covid-19”. Nowhere does it state that it’s just your opinion. As you studied infectious diseases you should know about the importance of peer review and study validity. At the moment there is no clinical evidence that vitamin- c will protect you against covid-19. People are desperate and will try anything to save the lives of their loved ones as we’ve seen with the 5G masts. Just be careful what you post on the internet.
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 18:26

In a time like this it makes me wonder, when one can not have an opinion …In a time like this it makes me wonder, when one can not have an opinion without being thrown stones at. Vitamin C is a vitamin that should be taken regardless of this outbreak. Everyone can go on and on but if you have any common sense then you will find out the facts yourself and not go by a thread on here.....


My only issue is you stated “Vit C is the best thing for COV19” in a thread about a supplement. Can you not see how that statement is harmful.
The vitamin C you were referring to was given in an ITU setting by IV, not a blackcurrant syrup.
If you had said Vitamin C may help with Covid-19 treatment it may have been better.
lumens04/04/2020 18:36

My only issue is you stated “Vit C is the best thing for COV19” in a thr …My only issue is you stated “Vit C is the best thing for COV19” in a thread about a supplement. Can you not see how that statement is harmful.The vitamin C you were referring to was given in an ITU setting by IV, not a blackcurrant syrup.If you had said Vitamin C may help with Covid-19 treatment it may have been better.


Well I'm terribly sorry it wasn't worded correctly! You are talking as if all users are idiots. I think they have some common sense to realise it's not the magic cure for this outbreak. Now leave it as that.
Guys,,,when you hit Dunning Kruger, then stop
money_saving_mamma04/04/2020 18:40

Well I'm terribly sorry it wasn't worded correctly! You are talking as if …Well I'm terribly sorry it wasn't worded correctly! You are talking as if all users are idiots. I think they have some common sense to realise it's not the magic cure for this outbreak. Now leave it as that.


I’m sorry you seem to have got upset by this. There is now some balance in this thread to your bold statement, so you’re right, let’s leave it at that. Take care...
Edited by: "lumens" 4th Apr
Where is the code?
Have you even read the contents of the website you’re quoting ? Nowhere do they state that vitamin-c is beneficial in fighting covid-19 infection. It does actually say though that daily consumption of fruit and veg provide RDI of vitamin-c among other vitamins which is basically what I said before....
Once again, my issue with your post is the lack of “in my opinion” at the beginning which can spread misinformation.
I used the mobile masts being set alight as an example of the consequences of spread of misinformation. Nowhere have I called the general population stupid. If I were you I would either remove the post or add “in my opinion”.
Moderators should sort it out otherwise.
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