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Samsung 43" 4K (not RGBW!) 15ms input lag TV with 6-year guarantee! - £329 @ Richer Sounds
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Samsung 43" 4K (not RGBW!) 15ms input lag TV with 6-year guarantee! - £329 @ Richer Sounds

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Posted 17th Nov 2018

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I have been thinking so hard about which 4k TV to buy and finally taken the plunge.

I wanted low input lag for gaming and the LG UJ and UK series are the best for that according to rtings.com (with 10ms input lag similar to a monitor!)

rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

but the LG budget range are RGBW which is 3k of RGB and 1k of W and so can lead to distortion when used as a monitor

see:
rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uk6300

So they also recommened the Samsung NU7100 which is a bit more expensive.

Except... black Friday is here!

And the NU7020 is around £349 for the 43" version which I'm hoping will do as a large gaming monitor... and there are also offers on the 50" and 55" versions too.

I chose Richer Sounds as recently bought a 'used very good' TV from amazon and it came smashed and having so much trouble getting it returned by courier.

I got a second hand one from gumtree which came with part of the display broken - thankfully I tested it!

So have gone back to Richer Sounds now the black friday deal is on and the 6-year guarantee and I can just take it to the shop when/if it breaks rather than send to Scotland via courier!

I am hopeful... very confident... that the NU7020 series is a copy of the NU7100 or NU7120 series - but just a blackfriday model.

This website suggests so:
displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/e4077a738

only difference is the NU7020 has one fewer HDMI port , one fewer USB port (which is fine by me) and also doesn't have some old inputs: component and composite?!

So hopefully it has the same input lag as the NU7100 which is reviewed here (and video below)
rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/nu7100

I recently discovered my old monitor had a 70ms input lag and no wonder I was so bad at online games!

Hopefully this TV will be immersive, have nice Netflix and allow my new 1070 graphics card to uplscale 1440p if not some 4k medium gaming )

Reviews say it's not bright enough for HDR but you need spend £700-800 for that for the NU8000 series and I'd rather just upgrade in a few years when OLED is the new budget range rather than buy a 'mid range' model that isn't really there.

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Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into the 8000 at the moment, apparently you shouldn't touch any models below that.
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The nu7400 is a much better TV, it comes with ips or va panel. For a few extra quid you may want to read up on the 7400.
Great write up! Have some heat.
Personally I would either save £70 and go for the Hitachi at argos argos.co.uk/pro…782 or the Toshiba from amazon amazon.co.uk/dp/…QSA and then wait 3 years for a 4k OLED under £400
or
Spend quite a bit more and get an OLED tv in the black Friday sales. I can see a 55" OLED coming down to around the £600-£700 mark on sale. The 4k OLED will be the current tech for about 5 years. Then 8k OLED will probably takeover.
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Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into the 8000 at the moment, apparently you shouldn't touch any models below that.
Dejaque3 m ago

I thought this seemed …I thought this seemed familiarhttps://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-ue43nu7020-43-inch-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-smart-led-tv-tvplus-richer-sounds-for-349-3100291Already posted.


Oh indeed! I searched for NU7020 and only the 50" models for £399 at Compton and Moore came up.
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Only 60Hz though so for PC gaming with a 1070 you're only gonna get 60fps.
Clipsan17/11/2018 11:20

The nu7400 is a much better TV, it comes with ips or va panel. For a few …The nu7400 is a much better TV, it comes with ips or va panel. For a few extra quid you may want to read up on the 7400.


50' and up has VA.
thomas.hutchins4 m ago

Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into …Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into the 8000 at the moment, apparently you shouldn't touch any models below that.


Agreed - that was the next option. There is one on ebay for £575 refurbished and amazon £613 'used good' or £700 new... but I'd rather pay half that and then sell it in a few years and buy the equivalent of the NU8000 which will be £300 in a few years. I don't think HDR is widely supported in games yet but higher textures are so was more into 4k than the HDR stuff. I think if I was after movies I'd look into Hisense and TCL as well.
deleted209189317/11/2018 11:24

Only 60Hz though so for PC gaming with a 1070 you're only gonna get 60fps.


True but at a higher resolution. I just got a GTX1070 from ebay for £210 and hoping to sell my old RX470 for £90 so I have moved up from 1080p ultra to 1440p ultra or 4k medium. It's true I'll still get killed by people with 120-144 fps monitors but with the money I saved by avoiiding the higher specced models I can always get a 28" 144 hz monitor too!
Dj.CUE17/11/2018 11:23

Personally I would either save £70 and go for the Hitachi at argos …Personally I would either save £70 and go for the Hitachi at argos https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8526782 or the Toshiba from amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07D2MZSJZ/ref=psdc_560864_t1_B019K60QSA and then wait 3 years for a 4k OLED under £400 orSpend quite a bit more and get an OLED tv in the black Friday sales. I can see a 55" OLED coming down to around the £600-£700 mark on sale. The 4k OLED will be the current tech for about 5 years. Then 8k OLED will probably takeover.


£600 - £700 for 55" OLED probz in 4yrs+
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jameshothothot17/11/2018 11:27

True but at a higher resolution. I just got a GTX1070 from ebay for £210 …True but at a higher resolution. I just got a GTX1070 from ebay for £210 and hoping to sell my old RX470 for £90 so I have moved up from 1080p ultra to 1440p ultra or 4k medium. It's true I'll still get killed by people with 120-144 fps monitors but with the money I saved by avoiiding the higher specced models I can always get a 28" 144 hz monitor too!


Then just buy a monitor or go for a 120Hz TV then ..

Also the 15ms you've stated for the posted tv deal is it's minimum ms when tested not it's average. The average is much higher and the motion blur on this TV for gaming is poor.
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deleted209189317/11/2018 11:35

Then just buy a monitor or go for a 120Hz TV then ..


That was the dilemma and why my budget was £300-400 as 40+" monitors are £400 and some have problems with HDCP 2.2. This has some nice apps like casting youtube and netflix from your phone which is good. And 120hz TV? Well you're looking NU8000 range for that so didn't seem worth it at this price.
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jameshothothot17/11/2018 11:38

That was the dilemma and why my budget was £300-400 as 40+" monitors are …That was the dilemma and why my budget was £300-400 as 40+" monitors are £400 and some have problems with HDCP 2.2. This has some nice apps like casting youtube and netflix from your phone which is good. And 120hz TV? Well you're looking NU8000 range for that so didn't seem worth it at this price.


Well you said you might buy a monitor too after selling your gpu as well as already buying this? so thats got to be what close to £600? the NU8000 can be had for 699 and its not even black friday yet.

Speaking on a gaming PC prospective you've made a bad choice with this TV.
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deleted209189317/11/2018 11:43

Well you said you might buy a monitor too after selling your gpu as well …Well you said you might buy a monitor too after selling your gpu as well as already buying this? so thats got to be what close to £600? the NU8000 can be had for 699 and its not even black friday yet.Speaking on a gaming PC prospective you've made a bad choice with this TV.


The freesync range on the NU8000 is only 48-60. So if I were to get a gaming moniror I'd like LFC or at least down to 40 fps (I'm currently on the discord forum about getting freesync to work on nvidia gpus via an old amd gpu).

The dilemma was buying a proper monitor or a cheap TV - there is more mass production and discounting of TVs as shops use them as loss leaders to get you in (e.g. a £30 HDMI cable or insurance at Currys) ... we shall see! It wasn't an easy decision. Appreciate both sides!
Your trying too hard m8 lol

I admire your tenacity in working it all out mate but your deceiving yourself, these budget TVs are as basic as they come, they won’t be built to last or be any good at anything especially to a trained eye like yourself, 349 is not nothing if you go for this it’s a waste of money and no one will want to pay money for it in 3 years, at this price point these are throw away TVs, technology is moving too fast for anyone but a pensioner to take this off you for zero in 3 years that is if it even still works, if you are willing and can sell some decent stuff to add to your budget and maybe use bnpl or credit card you’d be much more happy and another thing no one can tell if they’ll be alive in 3 years but your alive now, seize the day
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jameshothothot21 m ago

The freesync range on the NU8000 is only 48-60. So if I were to get a …The freesync range on the NU8000 is only 48-60. So if I were to get a gaming moniror I'd like LFC or at least down to 40 fps (I'm currently on the discord forum about getting freesync to work on nvidia gpus via an old amd gpu). The dilemma was buying a proper monitor or a cheap TV - there is more mass production and discounting of TVs as shops use them as loss leaders to get you in (e.g. a £30 HDMI cable or insurance at Currys) ... we shall see! It wasn't an easy decision. Appreciate both sides!


Yes I appreciate what you're doing as I'm holding out myself for a new TV that isn't bad for gaming too. I just think giving the circumstances you've made a bad choice for PC gaming.

The TV is still an OK deal imo just not for PC gaming even if on a budget.
Tragedy1 h, 6 m ago

50' and up has VA.


Yeah I'm talking about the 43 it comes in va and ips. They a topic on avforums about it, I think if your serial number has a /01 or /04 it's va and /03 it's ips something like that anyway.
Loading this model up now. Detected amp over arc right away but only seems to have 2.4ghz wifi.
Edited by: "jameshothothot" 17th Nov 2018
AJ9217/11/2018 11:32

£600 - £700 for 55" OLED probz in 4yrs+


We shall see.... I will post a link on this thread if I find one. They are already down to about £1000 so a 30% saving on Black Friday isn't too much of a jump.
jameshothothot17/11/2018 13:05

Loading this model up now. Detected amp over arc right away but only seems …Loading this model up now. Detected amp over arc right away but only seems to have 2.4ghz wifi.


Let me know how it goes, I'm still intrigued by this TV even though everyone else has been so negative about it, I'm also looking for a TV to game on.
I know a little bit about TV's but not a lot, what is RGBW and why is it so bad?
f2k847 m ago

Let me know how it goes, I'm still intrigued by this TV even though …Let me know how it goes, I'm still intrigued by this TV even though everyone else has been so negative about it, I'm also looking for a TV to game on.


Hi. Not started gaming yet but my initial thoughts are netflix and YouTube look better with the built in apps than via a pc. This is because pc has its own colour range and there are too many options...

Windows can select hdr and wcg (this tv does not have wcg) and then you have to manually set the brifgtness in hdr.

The tv detected my pc but game mode is another brightness option.

So far Netflix is a bit dark on pc but looks great with the app.

So there is less faffing using the apps on the tv which is one reason I went for tv tnan a monitor.

I need to sort my sound out as you don't generally get surround sound via arc or optical out when sending audio and video from pc via hdmi

Instead I am using my old graphics card to send sound to my old amp (which is only hdmi 1.4 and I did not want to replace that) but I forgot I was running arc and so the tv sees that as a separate display!

If you turn it off on control panel you lose hdmi sound to the amp.

So for gaming I usually have a secondary extended display and usually full screen games just ignore it.

I would say the size is good compromise between immersion and usability as a very large monitor so far.
RunningSquid45 m ago

I know a little bit about TV's but not a lot, what is RGBW and why is it …I know a little bit about TV's but not a lot, what is RGBW and why is it so bad?


The rtings review of lg6300 is best. They have some pics in article and also a video.

Basically instead of 4000 (well 3840?) Pixels composed of rgb they have circa 3000 rgb pixels and 1000 white pixels.

For movies etc this is probably fine.

But for text it can lead to distortions as seen in lg6300 review.

I did initially order an lg from amazon but as Samsung's come down in price I tried this one instead as rtings said it was better option
thomas.hutchins17/11/2018 11:21

Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into …Mate I've done tons of research on this TV, it's pants. I'm looking into the 8000 at the moment, apparently you shouldn't touch any models below that.


What 43” TV wools you recommend? I’m thinking a hisense after doing my research
Dj.CUE17/11/2018 13:45

We shall see.... I will post a link on this thread if I find one. They are …We shall see.... I will post a link on this thread if I find one. They are already down to about £1000 so a 30% saving on Black Friday isn't too much of a jump.

send me a link please!
skwintie4 m ago

send me a link please!


Found this 55"LG for £879 tvsandmore.co.uk/pro…-tv but be warned the company have a poor customer service record, hence why I haven't posted as a deal. They should go lower on Friday.
Edited by: "Dj.CUE" 17th Nov 2018
f2k81 h, 34 m ago

Let me know how it goes, I'm still intrigued by this TV even though …Let me know how it goes, I'm still intrigued by this TV even though everyone else has been so negative about it, I'm also looking for a TV to game on.


OK It is as expected (after faffing about with my surround sound with my old amp that does not take a 4k signal).

I used to game on a large 46" Samsung 1080p TV. It had a high input lag but was nice large display.

After bitcoin imploded, I picked up a GTX 1070 a fortnight ago which can play 1440p ultra 60fps or 4k 30fps.

I tested the GTX 1070 on a 28" monitor I had which is 4k 30hz or 1440p 60hz. The graphics were beautiful on that but I was used to a bigger screen. And I discovered the input lag was horrible on that too.

So I wanted:

a big display
higher resolution
low input lag

and it has ticked boxes 1 and 2 so far! not tested input lag will have to connect my fast 1080p 24" monitor to benchmark it.

I know there are better options but for price:performance this is what I wanted.

I now need to learn about HDR !!!

They are similar price at currys, amazon, john lewis so if no richer sound near you, can try one of them!


google.co.uk/sho…IFw
Edited by: "jameshothothot" 17th Nov 2018
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jameshothothot17/11/2018 15:25

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So how's the input lag? I feel first person games are where I notice heavy input lag on TVs where as 3rd person usually isn't too bad.
Why would you buy a big tv for pc gaming, especially with a 15ms input lag :/
its all good if your happy at the end of the day
joshua_andrews_188217/11/2018 15:32

Why would you buy a big tv for pc gaming, especially with a 15ms input lag …Why would you buy a big tv for pc gaming, especially with a 15ms input lag :/


I like the immersion of a big screen - even on PES 2019 it was a world of difference going back to 28" from my old 46"
The rtings review says 1440p not supported.

But windows can switch to 1440p and works fine but the TV says it's a 4k mode from the PC.

Ghost recon has switched to 2560 x 1440 and working fine... though I could also switch to 4k and use the resolution scaling but 2560 x 1440 is what nvidia experience recommended for me.

So you can game at 1440p on it
jameshothothot2 m ago

I like the immersion of a big screen - even on PES 2019 it was a world of …I like the immersion of a big screen - even on PES 2019 it was a world of difference going back to 28" from my old 46"


Get an ultra wide gaming monitor then
joshua_andrews_18829 m ago

Why would you buy a big tv for pc gaming, especially with a 15ms input lag …Why would you buy a big tv for pc gaming, especially with a 15ms input lag


Ghost recon 1440p looks great. Feels much better than on the 28" monitor I switched to ( a vx2880ml i got from gumteee for 70 quid to test out 4k as only 4k30hz... Would have kept it but had massive input lag)
f2k817th Nov 2018

So how's the input lag? I feel first person games are where I notice heavy …So how's the input lag? I feel first person games are where I notice heavy input lag on TVs where as 3rd person usually isn't too bad.

36129968-S8gyY.jpgI probably need to change a setting on my camera to shoot faster. I shot videos before. But there does not seem much difference between my aoc monitor and this tv

By contrast. This is my old vx2880ml monitor vs the aoc.

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46.3 vs 46.24

Suggesting 60ms lag or almost 4 frames at 60fps?

36130058-9mVpn.jpgThis is a screenshot from a video which alas suggests a 14ms lag between the monitor and the new tv
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