Samsung Galaxy K Zoom SIM Free £269.99 @ Argos + Free £20 Gift Voucher
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Samsung Galaxy K Zoom SIM Free £269.99 @ Argos + Free £20 Gift Voucher

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Found 15th Feb 2015
With the Nokia Lumia 1020 hard to find nowadays, this is possibly your best bet for a camera phone if you want a bit more out of the camera element than the rest. Best price I have seen it for brand new by some way.

The Samsung Galaxy K Zoom has drawn inspiration from the Galaxy S5 as it features the flagship's distinct perforated pattern and shimmering finish. What's new, however, is the dedicated camera button on the side, which is a must have for any camera-centric handset. The screen on the Samsung Galaxy K Zoom measures 4.8 inches in diagonal.

Mobile phone features:

New retracting lens technology makes the 10x optical zoom powerful yet remarkably slim, giving you the sharpness of real optics in a chic body. And it's so easy to use, with Pinch Zoom and one touch Quick Zoom. Resolution pixels: 720 x 1280.
Using advanced algorithms, Pro Suggest analyses your world through the lens. From gender to light and colour, Pro Suggest detects your scene aspects and gives you 5 optimised setting suggestions for timeless photos.
Make the most of the powerful 20.7MP back camera for selfies. Just touch the screen to set where you want to appear, then turn it around and wait for the beep. It even gives you three shots to choose from.
The design of the Galaxy K zoom catches its inspiration from the soft round curves of pebbles, giving it a rounded back and superbly comfortable grip. A naturally ergonomic beauty that's a joy to behold.
Network provider: Sim free.
Android.
ARM.
MP3 player.
Display and camera information:

4.8 inch screen.
Super AMOLED display.
20.7 megapixel camera.
Video capture and playback.
Network and connectivity:

2G, 3G and 4G network capability.
Micro SIM card.
Wi-Fi connectivity.
Bluetooth.
Memory information:

7000MB/7GB of internal memory.
64 GB of expandable memory (memory card not included).
Type of memory card required: microSD.
General information:

Up to 330 hours standby time.
Up to 960 mins talk time.
Size H137.5, W70.8, D20.2mm.
Weight 200g.
EAN: 8806086265676.

28 Comments

lumia 1020 is 41mp

Original Poster

JC1997

lumia 1020 is 41mp



That is correct, and I believe still the better camera phone, but they are not easy to find nowadays and if you believe it is all about the megapixel count then you are mistaken. The Samsung offers 10x Optical Zoom and reputedly better low light performance.
Edited by: "mynameisthehulk" 15th Feb 2015

Argos offering £20 voucher if you buy a phone above £100

Original Poster

abed93

Argos offering £20 voucher if you buy a phone above £100



Do you have a link? Then I will add to the description. Thanks!

The Lumia 930 with 4K video recording, Dolby 5.1 high amplitude microphones, a much better camera interface & a proper video editor would seem a better bet. Available for £199 from EE on Ebay (with a full 2 year warranty)

hotukdeals.com/dea…663

(Try shooting a video LIKE THIS with your K Zoom )

Alternatively, you can pick up a 1020 for around £130 on Gumtree, which would hold its own until Microsoft/Nokia's camera flagship gets released with Windows 10 later this year.

For me, the big problem with Samsung's approach is that mechanical lenses are prone to jamming. Stick this in your pocket with your keys and whatever else, and things are bound to find their way into the mechanism.

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wenttoabetterplace

The Lumia 930 with 4K video recording, Dolby 5.1 high amplitude … The Lumia 930 with 4K video recording, Dolby 5.1 high amplitude microphones, a much better camera interface & a proper video editor would seem a better bet. Available for £199 from EE on Ebay (with a full 2 year warranty)http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nokia-lumia-930-locked-ee-like-new-199-99-sold-ee-ebay-shop-2144663(Try shooting a video LIKE THIS with your K Zoom )Alternatively, you can pick up a 1020 for around £130 on Gumtree, which would hold its own until Microsoft/Nokia's camera flagship gets released with Windows 10 later this year.For me, the big problem with Samsung's approach is that mechanical lenses are prone to jamming. Stick this in your pocket with your keys and whatever else, and things are bound to find their way into the mechanism.


You make some good points about the 4k video etc but you just cannot beat an optical zoom if you need more reach. With respect to the possibility of the zoom jamming, I've need using various makes of compact cameras for many years and never had that problem. Also,my out you keep your phone in the same pocket as your keys just about any phone is going to get damaged.

John Mason

CommentYou make some good points about the 4k video etc but you just … CommentYou make some good points about the 4k video etc but you just cannot beat an optical zoom if you need more reach. With respect to the possibility of the zoom jamming, I've need using various makes of compact cameras for many years and never had that problem. Also,my out you keep your phone in the same pocket as your keys just about any phone is going to get damaged.



The problem with the zoom module on the K Zoom is that it starts at an F3.1 aperture (ropey in low light), and goes to a pretty terrible F6.3. The full 10x optical zoom is going to be difficult to use in all but the brightest of conditions.
The 1020 by comparison has a fixed F2.2 aperture, which allows far more light to the sensor. So although the 1020 won't have the reach of a 10x optical zoom, the 3x lossless zoom combined with the bright aperture will give much more scope to get pin sharp/low noise pictures. & the extra megapixels will give you the opportunity to recrop/reframe to get you even closer.

It all depends on your usage scenario though. If you need the zoom, and take photos predominantly in the daytime, then you will be fine (but then again, in such a usage scenario, surely a dedicated camera would be better?). In my usage scenario at least, I find the 1020 to be a great compromise (indoor/sunrise/sunset etc), and have got some brilliant results because of it. Combine that with a hassle free sealed camera module, a xenon flash & full manual focus control, & I'm pretty happy :).

I took THIS PHOTO in Gran Canaria on a windswept sand dune. My phone was battered by sand...but I didn't need to worry. I just had to blow the sound out of the headphone jack and the USB port, and I was good to go again :). My brother didn't dare get his Canon Ixus out. (That was the pattern of the holiday - my phone was pretty much the go to camera because it performed better in pretty much every scenario...and there was no worry in using it).

The K Zoom has issues with the lens breaking or getting dust ingress. People might not have seen this in their cameras but do you stick a camera in your trouser pocket every waking hour? Phones simply weren't designed to have precision10X zoom lenses bolted onto them. The 1020 is a better compromise in terms of its build but even that suffers from more frequent camera breakdowns than other phones - what with its mechanical shutter. Neither phone appeals to me as I don't like Windows Phone as a day-to-day OS in its current state - even though I have owned 3 1020s in the past year - and I didn't rate the K Zoom at all when I had one direct from Samsung at launch. Battery life was awful, low light was abysmal owing to the sensor not being big enough to grab enough photons through the constrained aperture of the zoom lens and it was also just too chunky and ungainly.

My advice is to just get a phone with a decent camera - like the iPhone 6/+, Note 4, G3, Lumia 930 - and if you really need to have a zoom lens, buy a proper compact camera - like a Sony RX100. Fusing two things together like this is just too littered with compromise and awkwardness to make it worthwhile in my opinion.

misterleoni

The K Zoom has issues with the lens breaking or getting dust ingress. … The K Zoom has issues with the lens breaking or getting dust ingress. People might not have seen this in their cameras but do you stick a camera in your trouser pocket every waking hour? Phones simply weren't designed to have precision10X zoom lenses bolted onto them. The 1020 is a better compromise in terms of its build but even that suffers from more frequent camera breakdowns than other phones - what with its mechanical shutter. Neither phone appeals to me as I don't like Windows Phone as a day-to-day OS in its current state - even though I have owned 3 1020s in the past year - and I didn't rate the K Zoom at all when I had one direct from Samsung at launch. Battery life was awful, low light was abysmal owing to the sensor not being big enough to grab enough photons through the constrained aperture of the zoom lens and it was also just too chunky and ungainly. My advice is to just get a phone with a decent camera - like the iPhone 6/+, Note 4, G3, Lumia 930 - and if you really need to have a zoom lens, buy a proper compact camera - like a Sony RX100. Fusing two things together like this is just too littered with compromise and awkwardness to make it worthwhile in my opinion.



Pretty good summary - though I'm surprised you mentioned the 1020 camera as having reliability issues with the mechanical shutter. My 1020 has been bruised, battered and jolted for a few thousand miles of cycle touring. It's also been dropped from chest height on to ceramic tiles, fallen in a puddle, & sat in my waterproof pocket whilst I sweated my way through a rainstorm in the Pyrenees....it was soaked with perspiration, but still works perfectly (aside from the annoying WP8.1 freezing glitch which gives it some grief every few days).
I dare say any OIS enabled smartphone camera is vulnerable to problems...however, I place a lot of faith in my 1020 - and it hasn't let me down yet

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wenttoabetterplace

Pretty good summary - though I'm surprised you mentioned the 1020 camera … Pretty good summary - though I'm surprised you mentioned the 1020 camera as having reliability issues with the mechanical shutter. My 1020 has been bruised, battered and jolted for a few thousand miles of cycle touring. It's also been dropped from chest height on to ceramic tiles, fallen in a puddle, & sat in my waterproof pocket whilst I sweated my way through a rainstorm in the Pyrenees....it was soaked with perspiration, but still works perfectly (aside from the annoying WP8.1 freezing glitch which gives it some grief every few days).I dare say any OIS enabled smartphone camera is vulnerable to problems...however, I place a lot of faith in my 1020 - and it hasn't let me down yet



That statement was based purely on the fact that I personally know three people whose 1020s have broken down in the camera area. Two of them stopped being able to focus and one just completely stopped working.

Interesting discussion. There's this 1020 from o2 for £170-what are the other aspects of 1020 like-for example battery life, speed, lag etc.? Also how quickly can you get to a focussed shot on the 1020?
o2.co.uk/sho…act

jazzuk777

Interesting discussion. There's this 1020 from o2 for £170-what are the … Interesting discussion. There's this 1020 from o2 for £170-what are the other aspects of 1020 like-for example battery life, speed, lag etc.? Also how quickly can you get to a focussed shot on the 1020? https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/nokia/lumia-1020/?cm_mmc=googleuk-_-PPC_PAYG_PLA-_-NokiaLumia1020-_-NokiaLumia1020+NokiaLumia1020+Exact#colour=black&memory=32gb&contractType=payasyougo&gclid=CjwKEAiAx4anBRDz6JLYjMDxoQYSJAA4loRmSD11OBnY2ZxnmoJtDLZypcw6R-1jTlWxx13PrevPaRoCZ6Hw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds



To be honest, I recommended the 930 earlier in the thread because it solves all of the 1020's problems, with only a marginal drop in image quality...
The 1020 isn't FAST, and it never will be (it is running on two generation old processors). I got my latest 1020 64GB for £120 via Gumtree --- and for that price, it is incredible value. However, I would sooner buy the 930 for £199 from EE on Ebay than buy the 1020 for £170...

With that said, as long as you know the limitations of the 1020 (shot to shot speed), then it can take some beautiful photos (and it has a xenon flash)!

Scotland cycle tour

Random old photos

FYI, the next generation Lumia cameraphone will be out later this year...so if you can get a 1020 on the cheap, I would personally go down that route - and then just upgrade in due course. The 1020 is still a fantastic bit of tech. It has the high amplitude microphones, a v.v.nice screen, glance screen, double tap to wake, super sensitive touch (for use with gloves), and in my experience, fairly unbreakable build quality!

Original Poster

jazzuk777

Interesting discussion. There's this 1020 from o2 for £170-what are the … Interesting discussion. There's this 1020 from o2 for £170-what are the other aspects of 1020 like-for example battery life, speed, lag etc.? Also how quickly can you get to a focussed shot on the 1020? https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/nokia/lumia-1020/?cm_mmc=googleuk-_-PPC_PAYG_PLA-_-NokiaLumia1020-_-NokiaLumia1020+NokiaLumia1020+Exact#colour=black&memory=32gb&contractType=payasyougo&gclid=CjwKEAiAx4anBRDz6JLYjMDxoQYSJAA4loRmSD11OBnY2ZxnmoJtDLZypcw6R-1jTlWxx13PrevPaRoCZ6Hw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds




No stock of these as far as I can see.

mynameisthehulk

No stock of these as far as I can see.


Wretched Google shopping - it needs some work!

jazzuk777

Wretched Google shopping - it needs some work!



/Plenty of 1020's on Gumtree depending on where you live - with many less than £150. Nokia warranty is tied to the IMEI number, so you don't even need proof of purchase for repairs etc...oh, and it's a 2 year warranty, so almost all 1020's that are currently for sale will have warranty.

Original Poster

I am not sure that you want to pay £150 for a second hand phone that could have been had brand new at £180? I appreciate your comments on this thread but comparing second hand with new is a bit harsh on the deal imo

mynameisthehulk

I am not sure that you want to pay £150 for a second hand phone that … I am not sure that you want to pay £150 for a second hand phone that could have been had brand new at £180? I appreciate your comments on this thread but comparing second hand with new is a bit harsh on the deal imo



Fair point...though as I also mentioned, I got my 64GB 1020 for £130, with about 19 months of warranty remaining. So my point was that you don't really need to compromise on a K Zoom when you can get a 1020 for around half the price.
I also recommended the 930 as a good balance between phone capability and ergonomics. That one can be had for £199 from EE on Ebay, and has flagship specs (with much improved camera speed/4K resolution thanks to the Denim update).

Basically - there are better options for less IMO

Interesting discussion.

What is the best Android smartphone camera that has a dedicated camera button? Is it the HTC Desire Eye or the Sony Z3 Compact? Or something else?!

I like Windows phone and all the higher end Nokia's have a dedicated camera button but want to try an Android. It seems like Sony is the only other manufacturer who regularly manufactures phones with dedicated camera buttons.

bookshifter

Interesting discussion.What is the best Android smartphone camera that … Interesting discussion.What is the best Android smartphone camera that has a dedicated camera button? Is it the HTC Desire Eye or the Sony Z3 Compact? Or something else?!I like Windows phone and all the higher end Nokia's have a dedicated camera button but want to try an Android. It seems like Sony is the only other manufacturer who regularly manufactures phones with dedicated camera buttons.



cnet.com/uk/…ra/

(I wouldn't want that phone though for the same reasons I wouldn't want the K Zoom. Optical zooms in this form factor are a bad idea IMO)

wenttoabetterplace

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/panasonic-cm1-marries-android-phone-to-slim-camera/(I wouldn't want that phone though for the same reasons I wouldn't want the K Zoom. Optical zooms in this form factor are a bad idea IMO)



Wow I certainly don't have £750ish to spend.

What is the best Android smartphone camera without optical zoom but with a dedicated camera button and easily available in the UK from a known vendor e.g. Amazon. O2, CPW etc

bookshifter

Wow I certainly don't have £750ish to spend.What is the best Android … Wow I certainly don't have £750ish to spend.What is the best Android smartphone camera without optical zoom but with a dedicated camera button and easily available in the UK from a known vendor e.g. Amazon. O2, CPW etc



I wouldn't know to be honest. None of the Android cameras offer full manual focus, which makes them a no go for me (which is why I stick with Lumia's).
The Z3 Compact was supposedly going to offer a great camera. But it gets very average reviews. (I bought an Xperia Arc S a few years back on the supposed strength of its camera. It was pretty naff!).
The HTC Eye has a fairly good rear camera, and a good front facing camera. Nothing exceptional though. The HTC M9 will probably be much better.
Samsung's S5 camera seems to be well reviewed as far as Android phones go - but it gets outperformed by iPhone 6's, and certainly doesn't best the Lumia 930/1520 or the 1020 (though it does beat the 1020 for speed).

You are then into the realms of the Oppo phones...which use proper Sony sensors - but I have no idea how well they are implemented. & of course, you have the Samsung K Zoom...

I don't think there are any Android phones out there that'll replace your point and shoot. All three Lumia flagships are quite capable of doing so, as are the iPhone's to a lesser extent.

wenttoabetterplace

I wouldn't know to be honest. None of the Android cameras offer full … I wouldn't know to be honest. None of the Android cameras offer full manual focus, which makes them a no go for me (which is why I stick with Lumia's).The Z3 Compact was supposedly going to offer a great camera. But it gets very average reviews. (I bought an Xperia Arc S a few years back on the supposed strength of its camera. It was pretty naff!).The HTC Eye has a fairly good rear camera, and a good front facing camera. Nothing exceptional though. The HTC M9 will probably be much better.Samsung's S5 camera seems to be well reviewed as far as Android phones go - but it gets outperformed by iPhone 6's, and certainly doesn't best the Lumia 930/1520 or the 1020 (though it does beat the 1020 for speed).You are then into the realms of the Oppo phones...which use proper Sony sensors - but I have no idea how well they are implemented. & of course, you have the Samsung K Zoom...I don't think there are any Android phones out there that'll replace your point and shoot. All three Lumia flagships are quite capable of doing so, as are the iPhone's to a lesser extent.


You missed out the LG G3 as the other flagship phone out there and that gets pretty reasonable reviews for its camera.

jazzuk777

You missed out the LG G3 as the other flagship phone out there and that … You missed out the LG G3 as the other flagship phone out there and that gets pretty reasonable reviews for its camera.



I am by no means an expert - however, when I came up with that list above, I did look at the G3. For a flagship, its photos look pretty awful to me;

techradar.com/rev…w/7

(I'm not sure what the reviewer was smoking when he stated the photos were excellent in bright light. They are awful in bright light, and even worse in the dark!).

So yes, I would never consider the G3 to be a good cameraphone.

Is the K Zoom guaranteed to get Lollipop? And if so, when?

Original Poster

steve252

Is the K Zoom guaranteed to get Lollipop? And if so, when?



theandroidsoul.com/and…rs/

Doesn't guarantee it will, but there is some information there. Lollipop has not sat well with a lot of users though - Kitkat just fine for now surely?

£264.99 on amazon.co.uk (sold by SmartDealsLondon, fulfilled by Amazon)

mynameisthehulk

Kitkat just fine for now surely?


Sure, but if it's never ever going to get Lollipop, then at this price level, I'd definitely pass.

Original Poster

steve252

Sure, but if it's never ever going to get Lollipop, then at this price … Sure, but if it's never ever going to get Lollipop, then at this price level, I'd definitely pass.



Yeah I don't know. Most apps will be available for 4.x for a lot longer than Lollipop is the latest version of Android.
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