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Almost as good as on prime day ! Heat !
This is the closest I've seen to the £153 Crucial 2TB drive on Prime Day. It looks like they're finally starting to creap down in price then.
picnick22/08/2019 08:50

This is the closest I've seen to the £153 Crucial 2TB drive on Prime Day. …This is the closest I've seen to the £153 Crucial 2TB drive on Prime Day. It looks like they're finally starting to creap down in price then.


Yes, time to time they're bringing the Prime Day prices on most of the things.
Are these suitable for a PS4 or do they only have a limited number of read/write cycles?
uomosenzanome22/08/2019 11:19

Are these suitable for a PS4 or do they only have a limited number of …Are these suitable for a PS4 or do they only have a limited number of read/write cycles?


Yes, this would be suitable for a PS4.
All SSDs are rated for a certain number of bytes written, but it is not something you need to worry about at all if buying for a PS4 (certainly not in any of the big brand SSDs, anyway).
I like Big Bytees , I cannot lie
Shame the 1tb is still out-of-line wuth other 1tb ssd @ £106 ....
Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I watched the benefits were very limited in terms of loading times by switching to SSD, in which case you'd be better off installing a higher capacity drive to allow for larger game library. Certainly not the same performance boost you get whacking it into a PC.
uk.ign.com/wik…son
Nice price for the size of this drive and I've voted hot because it's a hot price but keep in mind that you are sacrificing performance for size.

Samsung Evo 970 1TB costs £175ish and is more than 200% faster than the 2TB 860 QVO.

The difference between the two drives in performance is night and day and you can tell the difference if you play games with loading screens and such, they are almost instant with the 970 Evo and a lot slower with the 860 QVO.
khirsah22/08/2019 16:13

Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I …Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I watched the benefits were very limited in terms of loading times by switching to SSD, in which case you'd be better off installing a higher capacity drive to allow for larger game library. Certainly not the same performance boost you get whacking it into a PC. https://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hard_Drive_Speed_Test_Comparison#System_Boot_Time


This is correct. The PS4 doesn't have the bandwidth available to get 100% from this or many other SSD drives - there is a boost on the loading screens but not by much. I'd personally rather stick the biggest HDD I can find in there my self.
khirsah22/08/2019 16:13

Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I …Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I watched the benefits were very limited in terms of loading times by switching to SSD, in which case you'd be better off installing a higher capacity drive to allow for larger game library. Certainly not the same performance boost you get whacking it into a PC. https://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hard_Drive_Speed_Test_Comparison#System_Boot_Time


I've seen some good reviews for this drive now regarding loading times.

My PS4 already has a 1tb drive and I just thought this would be an easy swap considering how close to possible PS5 we are, I can then just stick this drive in something else
How does the QVO lineup comapre to the main EVO lineup
For the vast majority of people, they will not notice the difference at all. The EVO is not 200% faster. In real world tests these are almost as fast as nvme drives.
titchyyyyy22/08/2019 16:15

This is correct. The PS4 doesn't have the bandwidth available to get 100% …This is correct. The PS4 doesn't have the bandwidth available to get 100% from this or many other SSD drives - there is a boost on the loading screens but not by much. I'd personally rather stick the biggest HDD I can find in there my self.


Or maybe a 2tb sshd. That's what most recommend
Edited by: "montana78" 22nd Aug
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uomosenzanome22/08/2019 17:12

I've seen some good reviews for this drive now regarding loading times.My …I've seen some good reviews for this drive now regarding loading times.My PS4 already has a 1tb drive and I just thought this would be an easy swap considering how close to possible PS5 we are, I can then just stick this drive in something else


Honestly putting a SSD in a PS4 isn't worth the outlay, they are completely bottlenecked and even the pro which is sata 3 doesn't perform much better. The OS definitely performs better but from a game point of view load times are only a few seconds faster on a lot of games. People on YouTube claim it's worth doing but from the tests I've run it's clear even the pro doesn't work a SSD anywhere near the speeds the drive is capable of.
Edited by: "dave859" 22nd Aug
GwanGy22/08/2019 12:52

I like Big Bytees , I cannot lie Shame the 1tb is still …I like Big Bytees , I cannot lie Shame the 1tb is still out-of-line wuth other 1tb ssd @ £106 ....


Have to admit I started reading the second line to the tune of the song...
uomosenzanome22/08/2019 17:12

I've seen some good reviews for this drive now regarding loading times.My …I've seen some good reviews for this drive now regarding loading times.My PS4 already has a 1tb drive and I just thought this would be an easy swap considering how close to possible PS5 we are, I can then just stick this drive in something else



You’re talking about maybe 5 seconds saved loading a game. Very poor return
The 4 TB EVO is at £555.79 now which is its lowest price so far but still an extra 207.81 over 2 of these 2TB QVO's, a 4TB QVO is 459.99 so 95.80 between the 4TB EVO and 4 TB QVO.

It does look like the price on the QVO based SSD's are dropping faster then the EVO / PRO Versions and we might see a sub 200 4TB soonish
Edited by: "Aph3x" 22nd Aug
khirsah22/08/2019 21:10

You’re talking about maybe 5 seconds saved loading a game. Very poor return


Yes but it's still £170 for a 2tb drive, which technically shouldn't fail and can be transferred to a new system if required
titchyyyyy22/08/2019 16:13

Nice price for the size of this drive and I've voted hot because it's a …Nice price for the size of this drive and I've voted hot because it's a hot price but keep in mind that you are sacrificing performance for size.Samsung Evo 970 1TB costs £175ish and is more than 200% faster than the 2TB 860 QVO.The difference between the two drives in performance is night and day and you can tell the difference if you play games with loading screens and such, they are almost instant with the 970 Evo and a lot slower with the 860 QVO.


The 970 evo is a NVME drive and this is SATA you can't really compare the two?
uomosenzanome22/08/2019 11:19

Are these suitable for a PS4 or do they only have a limited number of …Are these suitable for a PS4 or do they only have a limited number of read/write cycles?



khirsah22/08/2019 16:13

Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I …Has PS4 changed for SSDs? I looked into it before and on the videos I watched the benefits were very limited in terms of loading times by switching to SSD, in which case you'd be better off installing a higher capacity drive to allow for larger game library. Certainly not the same performance boost you get whacking it into a PC. https://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_4_Hard_Drive_Speed_Test_Comparison#System_Boot_Time


I've got one of these in my PRO and I'd definitely recommend it, best of both worlds and it learns over time what you read/write a lot and portions that to the flash side of the drive so booting and your most played game (possibly several depending on the size of the games etc.) are much snappier than a standard drive

Just as an example for anyone who plays the Witcher 3 or other similar games as it reads the drive a lot while playing it would noticeably slow down on the menus and loading with the og drive, after a few weeks of using the SSHD mentioned these issues were almost non-existent, it does still lag/slow down occasionally but it's a hell of a lot better than it was before!
Edited by: "AMasters007" 23rd Aug
AMasters00723/08/2019 17:25

The 970 evo is a NVME drive and this is SATA you can't really compare the …The 970 evo is a NVME drive and this is SATA you can't really compare the two?


Have you completely disregarded my point of the comment?

I was trying to give advice to people who maybe aren't so PC tech savvy.

I was stating my advice was that a 1TB M.2 NVME drive is a better purchase than a 2TB SSD.
titchyyyyy23/08/2019 17:33

Have you completely disregarded my point of the comment?I was trying to …Have you completely disregarded my point of the comment?I was trying to give advice to people who maybe aren't so PC tech savvy.I was stating my advice was that a 1TB M.2 NVME drive is a better purchase than a 2TB SSD.


No but just above your comment people were asking if this drive was suitable for a PS4 and you mentioned an NVME drive which to any people who aren't tech savvy would confuse the hell out of them?

The majority of people don't even have MoBos with M2 slots and for browsing, light gaming or working etc. 99% of the time there would not be a perceptible difference between this drive and the 970 evo, we're talking milliseconds. If you really need the best of the best then yeah sure go for an NVME drive but for 99% of people an NVME drive is not a better purchase, it's the opposite you are trading drive capacity (50%+) for the ability to open Chrome a few milliseconds quicker...
AMasters00723/08/2019 17:32

I've got one of these in my PRO and I'd definitely recommend it, best of …I've got one of these in my PRO and I'd definitely recommend it, best of both worlds and it learns over time what you read/write a lot and portions that to the flash side of the drive so booting and your most played game (possibly several depending on the size of the games etc.) are much snappier than a standard drive Just as an example for anyone who plays the Witcher 3 or other similar games as it reads the drive a lot while playing it would noticeably slow down on the menus and loading with the og drive, after a few weeks of using the SSHD mentioned these issues were almost non-existent, it does still lag/slow down occasionally but it's a hell of a lot better than it was before!


Thanks I have looked at these but see lots of mentions of failures in the PS4 after a few months use?
AMasters00723/08/2019 17:32

I've got one of these in my PRO and I'd definitely recommend it, best of …I've got one of these in my PRO and I'd definitely recommend it, best of both worlds and it learns over time what you read/write a lot and portions that to the flash side of the drive so booting and your most played game (possibly several depending on the size of the games etc.) are much snappier than a standard drive Just as an example for anyone who plays the Witcher 3 or other similar games as it reads the drive a lot while playing it would noticeably slow down on the menus and loading with the og drive, after a few weeks of using the SSHD mentioned these issues were almost non-existent, it does still lag/slow down occasionally but it's a hell of a lot better than it was before!



Do you have any links to benchmarks to support this claim as every one I’ve watched / seen it’s seconds gained. Likewise to the drive learning what you access regularly as not really heard of ssd’s doing that? Not saying you’re wrong just sounds a bit far fetched to me.
AMasters00723/08/2019 17:54

No but just above your comment people were asking if this drive was …No but just above your comment people were asking if this drive was suitable for a PS4 and you mentioned an NVME drive which to any people who aren't tech savvy would confuse the hell out of them? The majority of people don't even have MoBos with M2 slots and for browsing, light gaming or working etc. 99% of the time there would not be a perceptible difference between this drive and the 970 evo, we're talking milliseconds. If you really need the best of the best then yeah sure go for an NVME drive but for 99% of people an NVME drive is not a better purchase, it's the opposite you are trading drive capacity (50%+) for the ability to open Chrome a few milliseconds quicker...


+1. NVME drives are de-facto standard in new computers and super cool for your benchmarks, but for those not invested in random 4k charts or loading a game .5seconds faster than SATAIII, then it's not worth paying the delta (Unless you already have an NVME connector, in which case you probably weren't using a HDD or even SATA interface SSD prior)
khirsah23/08/2019 22:54

Do you have any links to benchmarks to support this claim as every one …Do you have any links to benchmarks to support this claim as every one I’ve watched / seen it’s seconds gained. Likewise to the drive learning what you access regularly as not really heard of ssd’s doing that? Not saying you’re wrong just sounds a bit far fetched to me.


Hi yeah sure here are a few I quickly found, these show that in general even in gaming there's only a few % in it if that:

extremetech.com/com…ade
youtube.com/wat…2VM
reddit.com/r/b…vm/

Also for the SSHD learning what to cache on the NAND must admit I don't know exactly how it does this but there's a brief explanation here in this review hope it helps.

With NVMe drives the way I look at it is like buying a car (this isn't a great analogy but it gets the point across so please bear with me), let's say I could buy a Lambo (NVMe) or a Ford (SATA), they can both get from A to B but theoretically the Lambo is quicker. However the only way to really get the most out of the Lambo and put it through its paces is to take it to a track day, which is similar to running a benchmark on a computer in a simulated environment, where there are less rules and restrictions etc. so on paper the Lambo is definitely quicker.

Popping to the shops or driving to work, short everyday tasks (small files), should be a lot quicker in the Lambo but because there are speed limits and other drivers on the road (possibly driving slower cars) you are limited on the performance gain. You may find you can accelerate quicker but because the journey is short overall pretty similar. Just like in anyone’s computer there are a lot of other factors to take into consideration, ram, processor ipc/bottlenecking (other cars), programs running in the background etc. that the NVMe drive will either have to compete with or be limited by.

Now there are a few exceptions to the rule as I mentioned which are workstation/prosumer tasks, CAD, editing, coding etc. These are long journeys (large files) and are usually in a specialist/high end environment so is similar to driving on the autobahn where other cars (components) are driving faster and there are less speed restrictions so the Lambo can really stretch its legs. In this situation as it is a longer journey you will notice the performance gains a lot more so depending on your workload demands this could definitely be worthwhile investment for you.

I remember when I first started playing around with SSDs in the early 2000s I said the same thing as the same analogy applied, they were a hell of a lot more expensive than HDDs and were limited by the other components at the time, SATA interface, ram, processor etc. But as time went on and SSDs became mainstream they got cheaper so were a lot more cost effective and other components got faster too as the technology caught up so going back to the analogy of popping to the shops the speed limit was raised and everyone was driving faster cars so paying more for an SSD was actually worth it.

In a few years time when the technology has caught up, the prices are comparable to current SATA SSDs and the average computer is 'NVMe ready' then yes definitely NVMe drives all round (other than mechanicals for storage obviously I can't see the £ per GB of flash coming close to disk anytime soon) but right now unless you have a (newish) top spec high end machine the performance gains just aren't worth the financial outlay. Hope this potentially helps someone looking for new storage save a bit of money?

Oh and for a much better analogy of NVMe bottlenecking than mine please see here

Peace
Edited by: "AMasters007" 29th Aug
uomosenzanome23/08/2019 20:40

Thanks I have looked at these but see lots of mentions of failures in the …Thanks I have looked at these but see lots of mentions of failures in the PS4 after a few months use?


Must admit I haven't heard that much about these failing in PS4s but will definitely look into it thanks for the heads up For what it's worth I've had mine in the PRO for almost 2 years now and never had an issue, not even a system freeze etc. Had a few of those with the og drive but that may have been purely coincidental? Oh and they also come with a 5 year warranty so even in a couple years any faults shouldn't be an issue to resolve. I do regular backups of my PS4 (about once a month, if I remember ) with saves on the PSN cloud so even if there was an issue I can just swap in a new drive, let the PS4 initialise itself and then restore from the backup on my external.

Not having a dig or anything but from what I've heard it's a lot more complicated with the XO for some reason, the PS4 is just plug and play whereas you have to set up the drive on a computer first for the XO to then recognise it
Edited by: "AMasters007" 29th Aug
AMasters00729/08/2019 13:32

Hi yeah sure here are a few I quickly found, these show that in general …Hi yeah sure here are a few I quickly found, these show that in general even in gaming there's only a few % in it if that:https://www.extremetech.com/computing/292522-sata-nvme-ssd-upgradehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/9w5qit/how_big_of_a_realworld_difference_is_a_nvm/Also for the SSHD learning what to cache on the NAND must admit I don't know exactly how it does this but there's a brief explanation here in this review hope it helps.With NVMe drives the way I look at it is like buying a car (this isn't a great analogy but it gets the point across so please bear with me), let's say I could buy a Lambo (NVMe) or a Ford (SATA), they can both get from A to B but theoretically the Lambo is quicker. However the only way to really get the most out of the Lambo and put it through its paces is to take it to a track day, which is similar to running a benchmark on a computer in a simulated environment, where there are less rules and restrictions etc. so on paper the Lambo is definitely quicker.Popping to the shops or driving to work, short everyday tasks (small files), should be a lot quicker in the Lambo but because there are speed limits and other drivers on the road (possibly driving slower cars) you are limited on the performance gain. You may find you can accelerate quicker but because the journey is short overall pretty similar. Just like in anyone’s computer there are a lot of other factors to take into consideration, ram, processor ipc/bottlenecking (other cars), programs running in the background etc. that the NVMe drive will either have to compete with or be limited by. Now there are a few exceptions to the rule as I mentioned which are workstation/prosumer tasks, CAD, editing, coding etc. These are long journeys (large files) and are usually in a specialist/high end environment so is similar to driving on the autobahn where other cars (components) are driving faster and there are less speed restrictions so the Lambo can really stretch its legs. In this situation as it is a longer journey you will notice the performance gains a lot more so depending on your workload demands this could definitely be worthwhile investment for you.I remember when I first started playing around with SSDs in the early 2000s I said the same thing as the same analogy applied, they were a hell of a lot more expensive than HDDs and were limited by the other components at the time, SATA interface, ram, processor etc. But as time went on and SSDs became mainstream they got cheaper so were a lot more cost effective and other components got faster too as the technology caught up so going back to the analogy of popping to the shops the speed limit was raised and everyone was driving faster cars so paying more for an SSD was actually worth it. In a few years time when the technology has caught up, the prices are comparable to current SATA SSDs and the average computer is 'NVMe ready' then yes definitely NVMe drives all round (other than mechanicals for storage obviously I can't see the £ per GB of flash coming close to disk anytime soon) but right now unless you have a (newish) top spec high end machine the performance gains just aren't worth the financial outlay. Hope this potentially helps someone looking for new storage save a bit of money? Oh and for a much better analogy of NVMe bottlenecking than mine please see here Peace



Sorry, I meant benchmarks of a pro being significantly faster as even with a pure ssd the gains seem to be marginal, with seconds gained at best.
khirsah30/08/2019 09:55

Sorry, I meant benchmarks of a pro being significantly faster as even with …Sorry, I meant benchmarks of a pro being significantly faster as even with a pure ssd the gains seem to be marginal, with seconds gained at best.


Ah my bad no worries here are a few online:

eurogamer.net/art…e_9
youtube.com/wat…Oe4
youtube.com/wat…6mo
youtube.com/wat…RmI

There's quite a lot in it for most games I've seen and played and as I said even just menus and things in game are a lot snappier so it's definitely noticeable in my opinion and worth it, for me personally anyway ymmv, peace
First link says

“There's no doubt that this is better than sticking to stock, but the margins of improvement aren't that much better when comparing to the launch PS4, when moving from stock to SSD there. You're not getting the most out of a solid-state investment, bearing in mind that running the same drive on PC offers dramatic improvements that aren't replicated on any home console.“


doesn't fill me with confidence...


second link “Does PS4 Pro's use of SATA 3 result in faster SSD loading times? We put this to the test, installing the same OCZ Trion 100 SSD to both the original PS4, and the PS4 Pro - where results aren't quite as successful as we'd hoped”

4th video 5 seconds faster boot time, 11 seconds off fortnite, uncharted 6 seconds, fifa 4 seconds... these aren’t really convincing me that an ssd is a good investment for the outlay. Far cry from performance boosts used in a laptop or desktop machine.

Up to others what they spend money on but for those gains I’d take capacity any day of the week.
khirsah02/09/2019 14:37

First link says “There's no doubt that this is better than sticking to s …First link says “There's no doubt that this is better than sticking to stock, but the margins of improvement aren't that much better when comparing to the launch PS4, when moving from stock to SSD there. You're not getting the most out of a solid-state investment, bearing in mind that running the same drive on PC offers dramatic improvements that aren't replicated on any home console.“doesn't fill me with confidence...second link “Does PS4 Pro's use of SATA 3 result in faster SSD loading times? We put this to the test, installing the same OCZ Trion 100 SSD to both the original PS4, and the PS4 Pro - where results aren't quite as successful as we'd hoped”4th video 5 seconds faster boot time, 11 seconds off fortnite, uncharted 6 seconds, fifa 4 seconds... these aren’t really convincing me that an ssd is a good investment for the outlay. Far cry from performance boosts used in a laptop or desktop machine. Up to others what they spend money on but for those gains I’d take capacity any day of the week.


Yeah the first one is saying it is an improvement over the stock HDD but not that much of an improvement when compared to the og PS4 with the same SSD which is why I recommended an SSHD, it's got the capacity of the stock drive (mine's actually double, 2TB) and the speed for your most used games and apps etc. As you say up to others what they spend their money on but for me the SSHD in my PRO was definitely worth it, 2tb of storage and my boot times and regularly played games are much quicker, here's a quick SSD comparison for anyone who hasn't seen the links:
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Did actually just find this on the same website which gives a bit of an insight into how the SSHD makes a difference over time:
eurogamer.net/art…w_1
38389346-fBShL.jpg
If you play a lot of RPGs like me, Witcher, Fallout, Monster Hunter etc. those seconds shaved off will soon add up to hours, ymmv of course
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