Hard to tell because Currys seem to be the only ones selling it now.
Looks as if it really was £499 but only from Currys, at which price it would be up against Siemens with standard 5 yr warranty, Samsung Ecobubble, currently with a 5 yr warranty, and some very good A+++ Bosch machines so no wonder they're selling these off at £299. Hotpoint WMEF742P looks to be roughly similar spec and is a Which? best buy for around £40 less. Our own washing machine is making a death rattle, hence the interest!
Better then you think ATM !
Samsung offering a free 5yr warranty, this model looks like it qualifies too. samsung.com/uk/…ty/
havign just taken delivery of a Samsung WF80 series from AO, i =can highly recommend them
Ricco
Better then you think ATM !Samsung offering a free 5yr warranty, this … Better then you think ATM !Samsung offering a free 5yr warranty, this model looks like it qualifies too.http://www.samsung.com/uk/homeappliancewarranty/havign just taken delivery of a Samsung WF80 series from AO, i =can highly recommend them
Thanks for the info... We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like the bearing's on its way out. I'm not sure if this qualifies for the 5yr warranty though. This specific model isn't within the list of qualifying 7KG capacity washers on the page you've linked to...
A 5 year warranty would probably swing the deal for me.
John Lewis is selling similar model WF70F5E0W4W - the difference in model name is the W instead of N in WF70F5E0N4W this model.
The Samsung website (link above) has a list of models included for the 5 year warranty offer, of which this one isn't included. Also there is an * saying warranty for selected retailers!
I have been watching out for a washing machine and I am considering this one but the John Lewis one is £399 - a £100 more but with the 5 year warranty - the only difference I can see is the A rating - John Lewis one is A++ while this one in Currys in A+++
love the quick wash on this. mine is 30 minutes
Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits in 6.5 years. Cannot be fixed. Same quality as the junk sold by Hotpoint, Zanussi et al.
Your washer lasted 6..5 years? Mine lasted two years... Four kids, used four times a week... I'd say you did pretty well!
nickbooth
Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits … Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits in 6.5 years. Cannot be fixed. Same quality as the junk sold by Hotpoint, Zanussi et al.
My old Zanusssi is 15 years old and only needs replacing now.....we've been averaging a couple of washes a week. Has Zanussi's quality deteriorated in recent years or was I just lucky?
dualing aunts
My old Zanusssi is 15 years old and only needs replacing now.....we've … My old Zanusssi is 15 years old and only needs replacing now.....we've been averaging a couple of washes a week. Has Zanussi's quality deteriorated in recent years or was I just lucky?
Without any doubt at all, the former. With the possible exception of Miele, the life expectancy of today's machines is probably around 5 or 6 years.
dualing aunts
Thanks for the info...We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like … Thanks for the info...We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like the bearing's on its way out.I'm not sure if this qualifies for the 5yr warranty though. This specific model isn't within the list of qualifying 7KG capacity washers on the page you've linked to...This is a WF70F5E0N4W and those are:"WF70F5E5U4D/EUWF70F5E3W4W/EUWF70F5E2W4X/EUWF70F5E2W4W/EUWF70F5E0W4W/EUWF70F5E2W2X/EUWF70F5E0W2W/EUWF0704W7WWF0702WKUWF0702WKEWF1704WSE2"...unless I'm missing something.A 5 year warranty would probably swing the deal for me.
Ah sry, the codes are so bloody similar i got a little confused !
dualing aunts
Thanks for the info...We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like … Thanks for the info...We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like the bearing's on its way out.I'm not sure if this qualifies for the 5yr warranty though. This specific model isn't within the list of qualifying 7KG capacity washers on the page you've linked to...This is a WF70F5E0N4W and those are:"WF70F5E5U4D/EUWF70F5E3W4W/EUWF70F5E2W4X/EUWF70F5E2W4W/EUWF70F5E0W4W/EUWF70F5E2W2X/EUWF70F5E0W2W/EUWF0704W7WWF0702WKUWF0702WKEWF1704WSE2"...unless I'm missing something.A 5 year warranty would probably swing the deal for me.
But this list is for the Cashback Offer....isn't it?
Edited by: "shahidemran" 20th Aug 2013
You have to be careful with these 5-year warranties being given, lots of companies sell their appliances with them but it only covers the parts. The labour will kill you when they come to fix it. I know i'm speaking from experience with both a baumatic oven and a hoover washing machine, both times it would have been cheaper to get it fixed by someone local.
fergee
You have to be careful with these 5-year warranties being given, lots of … You have to be careful with these 5-year warranties being given, lots of companies sell their appliances with them but it only covers the parts. The labour will kill you when they come to fix it. I know i'm speaking from experience with both a baumatic oven and a hoover washing machine, both times it would have been cheaper to get it fixed by someone local.
But this Samsung warranty on Eco-bubble Machines covers Parts & Labour.
Edited by: "shahidemran" 20th Aug 2013
Look at the quality before you look at the price. Most modern washing machines have such a short life expectancy that they offer poor value for money. There is better value for money to be had than £300 for a machine that will probably only last for about five years.
Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a reliable machine. TIA.
nickbooth
Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits … Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits in 6.5 years. Cannot be fixed. Same quality as the junk sold by Hotpoint, Zanussi et al.
I have had my Samsung Washer for almost 10 years, never missed a beat.
squirrel17
Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a … Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a reliable machine. TIA.
Miele, Miele or Miele.
I couldn't afford one so I have a Samsung ecobubble and for the price I couldn't be happier. That said, in 15 years mine will most likely be dead but a Miele should still be going strong.
Bought a bottom of the range Miele in 2000. Used on average twice each day ever since by family of five. Still looks great, never broken down, cleans really well. Worth every penny extra if you can afford it. I think we've had about 7,500 washes so far. Much cheaper than endless repairs and buying a new machine every few years.
squirrel17
Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a … Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a reliable machine. TIA.
Before replacing our 22 year old machine I did some research. I was amazed to find that only one company still builds machines that stand much chance of lasting as long. Even worse most modern machines don’t last a quarter of that time. The quality gap was so wide that the higher price of the good machine offered better value for money. It will be also be more convenient to have a machine that keeps working for a long time. We bought a Miele.
Does Miele's reputation extend to their other products? I am considering buying one of their vacuum cleaners, but am not sure if they are as great as their washers..
solid
Does Miele's reputation extend to their other products? I am considering … Does Miele's reputation extend to their other products? I am considering buying one of their vacuum cleaners, but am not sure if they are as great as their washers..
Yes, I would say so. 19 out of 23 Which Best Buy vacuum cleaners are Miele (although I know a lot of people question Which's ratings etc.)
Had an old bosch that was still going after 10 years but wanted the samsung but opted for the LG and so far its been awsome.Build qualoty excellent and quiet.Maybe something there decent at but wouldnt hesitate to try a samsung especially at that price and lets face it currys are sharks the reason its this price is because only currys have ever sold this so thats why they get away with saying it was £499. 5 year warranty is decent and have to say ive dealt with samsung in yhe past and they were spot on.Dip in for this price
squirrel17
Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a … Like what xigent? Am looking for my mother in law and she needs a reliable machine. TIA.
Inside the industry, most manufacturers give a life expectancy of machines in cycles, before the machine needs a "major" repair (major actually meaning BER, or Beyond Economical Repair, ie Scrap). This is usually around 400 - 800 cycles for your cheap machines (indesit etc). Beko expect around 1200 cycles, and on the EU mainland offer 5 year Parts & Labour on current models, so for a cheapo machine they offer the best value. Midrange look at ICE, LG (Korean made, not the Chinese ones!), Panasonic (higher range Direct Drive models), Bosch (German made, not Spanish) or Siemens. Miele, of course, as good as it gets, but still not as good as it used to be.
czechoslovakia
Miele, of course, as good as it gets, but still not as good as it used … Miele, of course, as good as it gets, but still not as good as it used to be.
Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing machine is currently awaiting the repair man. Sorry - wash my mouth out with soap and water - Service Technician. Inside warranty, of course, but Miele repair costs are a bit scary:
Miele Remedy Service Plan
£117 inc VAT (£123 inc VAT within Central London)
Call out and charge and first hour of labour. Additional time required will be charged at £72.00 per hour charged in 6 minute increments. Replacement spare parts charged as extra.
Problem with all these old machine that are still going is the efficiency will plummet.
The overall cost of any appliance should be Purchase price + running cost. An example is that of our old Bosch unit and our new Samsung. The Samsung is listed as A+++ and its running cost based on the same cycle is half that of the A rated 2004 Bosch unit it has replaced.
At some point the efficiency saving(power & water) will justify the change in a machine that is close to 10yrs old.
Ricco
Problem with all these old machine that are still going is the efficiency … Problem with all these old machine that are still going is the efficiency will plummet.The overall cost of any appliance should be Purchase price + running cost.An example is that of our old Bosch unit and our new Samsung.The Samsung is listed as A+++ and its running cost based on the same cycle is half that of the A rated 2004 Bosch unit it has replaced.At some point the efficiency saving(power & water) will justify the change in a machine that is close to 10yrs old.
Where do you get your numbers from? I'm genuinely curious. I have a Miele but Samsung make nice machines. Last time I saw figures related to energy consumption by washing machines the energy ratings made a very small difference and much less than many other appliances - I seem to remember going from a B to an A rated machine saved about £10. Even with higher electricity prices and increasing efficiency I doubt the savings are going to make it worth buying a new machine - maybe £20 per year. I suspect the manufacturers are also creating special efficient programmes for the tests that might not wash that well and that people do not use in their homes and that better engineered products will be more efficient in the long term as the will continue to operate to specification - less noise, friction, power, water, etc. And Miele, say, have always had excellent energy and water usage ratings. I would just like to know where you got the cost of ownership figures from.
Does anyone know if this in integrated?
Newbold
Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing … Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing machine is currently awaiting the repair man. Sorry - wash my mouth out with soap and water - Service Technician. Inside warranty, of course, but Miele repair costs are a bit scary:Miele Remedy Service Plan£117 inc VAT (£123 inc VAT within Central London)Call out and charge and first hour of labour. Additional time required will be charged at £72.00 per hour charged in 6 minute increments. Replacement spare parts charged as extra.
To be honest, the Miele Call out charge is average. Hotpoint / Candy / Hoover et al 5 year "parts" warranty is only valid if you call their engineer. All charge around £100 to come out to you. And then tell you the bearings failed because you overloaded it. Which is not covered.
Where do you get your numbers from? I'm genuinely curious. I have a … Where do you get your numbers from? I'm genuinely curious. I have a Miele but Samsung make nice machines. Last time I saw figures related to energy consumption by washing machines the energy ratings made a very small difference and much less than many other appliances - I seem to remember going from a B to an A rated machine saved about £10. Even with higher electricity prices and increasing efficiency I doubt the savings are going to make it worth buying a new machine - maybe £20 per year. I suspect the manufacturers are also creating special efficient programmes for the tests that might not wash that well and that people do not use in their homes and that better engineered products will be more efficient in the long term as the will continue to operate to specification - less noise, friction, power, water, etc. And Miele, say, have always had excellent energy and water usage ratings. I would just like to know where you got the cost of ownership figures from.
From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use patterns(heavy use). Your talking 0.8kwh versus 1.4kwh per cycle and and 30% water (rounded). For us that makes a difference of (figures from ofwat and our supplier) Electricity - £0.10 per cycle. Water - £0.02 per cycle or for us a saving of about £1.20 per week.
Based on 5years life (probably more but lets say after warranty I have) £312 saved. Or nearly the cost of our new washing machine (£389) Not to mention the fact it is pointless using calgon etc for a 5yr life (Which data) that will add a massive saving. (about £350)
An older washing machine just can't compete IMO.
As for your post, i don't think you grasp efficiency - thinking that after years of wear would increase efficiency at all really means you don't have a basic understanding of these things. (sorry) There would be a point that the unit would be at its most efficient, and that would certainly be a few cycles after new- but we are not talking years down the line here.
For clarity though, I was talking about THIS generation (any make) versus old generation as stated coming to 10yrs (any make), and the reasons why keeping it till it dies might not be the best option in the long term.
husain_kola
Does anyone know if this in integrated?
Yes, I do. No it isn't. Integrated appliances are always sold as "Integrated". If its not written there, like this, it is freestanding. Sorry. Integrated appliances are always more expensive. I would suggest searching for Beko WMI71641. Can be had for £300. Good machine for the money.
Edited by: "czechoslovakia" 20th Aug 2013
Ricco
From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use … From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use patterns(heavy use).Your talking 0.8kwh versus 1.4kwh per cycle and and 30% water (rounded).For us that makes a difference of (figures from ofwat and our supplier)Electricity - £0.10 per cycle.Water - £0.02 per cycleor for us a saving of about £1.20 per week.Based on 5years life (probably more but lets say after warranty I have) £312 saved.Or nearly the cost of our new washing machine (£389)Not to mention the fact it is pointless using calgon etc for a 5yr life (Which data) that will add a massive saving. (about £350)An older washing machine just can't compete IMO.As for your post, i don't think you grasp efficiency - thinking that after years of wear would increase efficiency at all really means you don't have a basic understanding of these things. (sorry)There would be a point that the unit would be at its most efficient, and that would certainly be a few cycles after new- but we are not talking years down the line here.For clarity though, I was talking about THIS generation (any make) versus old generation as stated coming to 10yrs (any make), and the reasons why keeping it till it dies might not be the best option in the long term.
Not jumping in on an argument, but old machines are not "less" efficient than new ones. They are just designed differently. The energy colour code chart is just an EU scam to push people into buying worse performing stuff for the good of the environment. Apart from a bit of insulation around the drum, the modern machine uses a lot less energy, simply because it uses a lot less water. Less water needs less energy to heat (an old kettle isn`t more efficient than a new one, is it?) And less water needs a lower amount of detergent (of which manufacturers claim to be eco friendly by offering smaller packs for smaller doses). All in fact leads to less clean clothes, and longer program times to compensate. Old machines filled the drum to 50%, new ones maybe 5%. You can wash you car with only a bucketful of water, but its much better with a hose, or pressure washer.
Ricco
From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use … From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use patterns(heavy use).Your talking 0.8kwh versus 1.4kwh per cycle and and 30% water (rounded).For us that makes a difference of (figures from ofwat and our supplier)Electricity - £0.10 per cycle.Water - £0.02 per cycleor for us a saving of about £1.20 per week.Based on 5years life (probably more but lets say after warranty I have) £312 saved.Or nearly the cost of our new washing machine (£389)Not to mention the fact it is pointless using calgon etc for a 5yr life (Which data) that will add a massive saving. (about £350)An older washing machine just can't compete IMO.As for your post, i don't think you grasp efficiency - thinking that after years of wear would increase efficiency at all really means you don't have a basic understanding of these things. (sorry)There would be a point that the unit would be at its most efficient, and that would certainly be a few cycles after new- but we are not talking years down the line here.For clarity though, I was talking about THIS generation (any make) versus old generation as stated coming to 10yrs (any make), and the reasons why keeping it till it dies might not be the best option in the long term.
Thank you for the numbers. I was talking about relative efficiency during the machines' working lives. A well-engineered machine will continue to perform closer to initial specification than a shoddily-built one. When the shoddier machine starts to shake, rattle, roll and leak, it is wasting energy and water and no longer performing to specification whereas often with over-engineered products they are actually wearing themselves in. Czechoslovakia has expanded on the point I made about gaming the colour charts. If you want to look at the cost of ownership you also need to look at residuals - my twelve year old Miele is still selling on Ebay for about half of what I paid for it.
Edited by: "musical" 20th Aug 2013
Just for the record - no argument here. Discussion ,debate and getting points over is all good !
I would also like to point out that its down to some units, you will really need to compare the figures for each unit. If your washing machine is 12years old and is fetching 50% resale value, then that surely plays into my point - maybe it would work out cheaper long run for you to switch (to whatever brand)
Also for clarification, the energy efficiency rating has to be based on the KWH per cycle (ingore the A+ A++ and A+++ etc). Which have done some test of certain brands and I I can agree that the claims are usually erroneous. However, they all play by the same rules mostly, so if 10% out overall on both units would add to my savings, rather then reduce it.
Obviously we are talking sub £500 washing machines here mostly.
Newbold
Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing … Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing machine is currently awaiting the repair man. Sorry - wash my mouth out with soap and water - Service Technician. Inside warranty, of course, but Miele repair costs are a bit scary:Miele Remedy Service Plan£117 inc VAT (£123 inc VAT within Central London)Call out and charge and first hour of labour. Additional time required will be charged at £72.00 per hour charged in 6 minute increments. Replacement spare parts charged as extra.
Which model do you have and what is the fault?
Newbold
Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing … Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing machine is currently awaiting the repair man. Sorry - wash my mouth out with soap and water - Service Technician. Inside warranty, of course, but Miele repair costs are a bit scary:Miele Remedy Service Plan£117 inc VAT (£123 inc VAT within Central London)Call out and charge and first hour of labour. Additional time required will be charged at £72.00 per hour charged in 6 minute increments. Replacement spare parts charged as extra.
If you are genuinely worried about the call out charges, you can extend the warranty, even the two year ones, to ten years for £150. Our machine is twelve years old and has been faultless but this still looks like a pretty good deal to me. See here.
Ricco
Just for the record - no argument here. Discussion ,debate and getting … Just for the record - no argument here. Discussion ,debate and getting points over is all good !Also for clarification, the energy efficiency rating has to be based on the KWH per cycle (ingore the A+ A++ and A+++ etc). Which have done some test of certain brands and I I can agree that the claims are usually erroneous. However, they all play by the same rules mostly, so if 10% out overall on both units would add to my savings, rather then reduce it..
Problem is the rules themselves aren't very good. The machines are all tested on a single standard wash (machines have so many programs with so many options these days) to compare like for like. However, machine 1`s wool wash could be much more efficient than machine 2`s wool wash, but on the standard wash machine 1 has an A+ rating and machine 2 gets A+++. Its like NCAP car ratings, or hotels star ratings, if you know what you need to achieve to get the rating, you will. But everything else is not so important. A 5 star hotel needs a hairdryer for example, but doesn't mean it has to work / be any good!
Edited by: "czechoslovakia" 23rd Aug 2013
nickbooth
Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits … Very disappointed with my Samsung washing machine. Shook itself to bits in 6.5 years. Cannot be fixed. Same quality as the junk sold by Hotpoint, Zanussi et al.
6 1/2 years.....I only get 2 years out of my machines though have domestic general warentee, they replaced the last 3 machines free bosch and LG, do two loads a day though
Edited by: "solidamber" 23rd Aug 2013
solidamber
6 1/2 years.....I only get 2 years out of my machines though have … 6 1/2 years.....I only get 2 years out of my machines though have domestic general warentee, they replaced the last 3 machines free bosch and LG, do two loads a day though
Yeah...well I do a load a week (whether my clothes need washing or not!). :-P
6.5 years is junk. Machine is immaculate inside, but the counter balance weight has torn itself from its three plastic mounts. Pathetic design.
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Hard to tell because Currys seem to be the only ones selling it now.
Samsung offering a free 5yr warranty, this model looks like it qualifies too.
samsung.com/uk/…ty/
havign just taken delivery of a Samsung WF80 series from AO, i =can highly recommend them
Thanks for the info...
We're in need of a new washer as ours sounds like the bearing's on its way out.
I'm not sure if this qualifies for the 5yr warranty though. This specific model isn't within the list of qualifying 7KG capacity washers on the page you've linked to...
This is a WF70F5E0N4W and those are:
"WF70F5E5U4D/EU
WF70F5E3W4W/EU
WF70F5E2W4X/EU
WF70F5E2W4W/EU
WF70F5E0W4W/EU
WF70F5E2W2X/EU
WF70F5E0W2W/EU
WF0704W7W
WF0702WKU
WF0702WKE
WF1704WSE2"
...unless I'm missing something.
A 5 year warranty would probably swing the deal for me.
The Samsung website (link above) has a list of models included for the 5 year warranty offer, of which this one isn't included. Also there is an * saying warranty for selected retailers!
I have been watching out for a washing machine and I am considering this one but the John Lewis one is £399 - a £100 more but with the 5 year warranty - the only difference I can see is the A rating - John Lewis one is A++ while this one in Currys in A+++
My old Zanusssi is 15 years old and only needs replacing now.....we've been averaging a couple of washes a week. Has Zanussi's quality deteriorated in recent years or was I just lucky?
Without any doubt at all, the former. With the possible exception of Miele, the life expectancy of today's machines is probably around 5 or 6 years.
Ah sry, the codes are so bloody similar i got a little confused !
But this list is for the Cashback Offer....isn't it?
But this Samsung warranty on Eco-bubble Machines covers Parts & Labour.
I have had my Samsung Washer for almost 10 years, never missed a beat.
Miele, Miele or Miele.
I couldn't afford one so I have a Samsung ecobubble and for the price I couldn't be happier. That said, in 15 years mine will most likely be dead but a Miele should still be going strong.
Before replacing our 22 year old machine I did some research. I was amazed to find that only one company still builds machines that stand much chance of lasting as long. Even worse most modern machines don’t last a quarter of that time. The quality gap was so wide that the higher price of the good machine offered better value for money. It will be also be more convenient to have a machine that keeps working for a long time. We bought a Miele.
Yes, I would say so. 19 out of 23 Which Best Buy vacuum cleaners are Miele (although I know a lot of people question Which's ratings etc.)
Probably true - but I'm biased, in that my 3 month old Miele washing machine is currently awaiting the repair man. Sorry - wash my mouth out with soap and water - Service Technician. Inside warranty, of course, but Miele repair costs are a bit scary:
Miele Remedy Service Plan
£117 inc VAT (£123 inc VAT within Central London)
Call out and charge and first hour of labour. Additional time required will be charged at £72.00 per hour charged in 6 minute increments. Replacement spare parts charged as extra.
The overall cost of any appliance should be Purchase price + running cost.
An example is that of our old Bosch unit and our new Samsung.
The Samsung is listed as A+++ and its running cost based on the same cycle is half that of the A rated 2004 Bosch unit it has replaced.
At some point the efficiency saving(power & water) will justify the change in a machine that is close to 10yrs old.
Where do you get your numbers from? I'm genuinely curious. I have a Miele but Samsung make nice machines. Last time I saw figures related to energy consumption by washing machines the energy ratings made a very small difference and much less than many other appliances - I seem to remember going from a B to an A rated machine saved about £10. Even with higher electricity prices and increasing efficiency I doubt the savings are going to make it worth buying a new machine - maybe £20 per year. I suspect the manufacturers are also creating special efficient programmes for the tests that might not wash that well and that people do not use in their homes and that better engineered products will be more efficient in the long term as the will continue to operate to specification - less noise, friction, power, water, etc. And Miele, say, have always had excellent energy and water usage ratings. I would just like to know where you got the cost of ownership figures from.
From the manufacturers own data, extrapolated from our own use patterns(heavy use).
Your talking 0.8kwh versus 1.4kwh per cycle and and 30% water (rounded).
For us that makes a difference of (figures from ofwat and our supplier)
Electricity - £0.10 per cycle.
Water - £0.02 per cycle
or for us a saving of about £1.20 per week.
Based on 5years life (probably more but lets say after warranty I have) £312 saved.
Or nearly the cost of our new washing machine (£389)
Not to mention the fact it is pointless using calgon etc for a 5yr life (Which data) that will add a massive saving. (about £350)
An older washing machine just can't compete IMO.
As for your post, i don't think you grasp efficiency - thinking that after years of wear would increase efficiency at all really means you don't have a basic understanding of these things. (sorry)
There would be a point that the unit would be at its most efficient, and that would certainly be a few cycles after new- but we are not talking years down the line here.
For clarity though, I was talking about THIS generation (any make) versus old generation as stated coming to 10yrs (any make), and the reasons why keeping it till it dies might not be the best option in the long term.
Integrated appliances are always more expensive. I would suggest searching for Beko WMI71641. Can be had for £300. Good machine for the money.
Not jumping in on an argument, but old machines are not "less" efficient than new ones. They are just designed differently. The energy colour code chart is just an EU scam to push people into buying worse performing stuff for the good of the environment. Apart from a bit of insulation around the drum, the modern machine uses a lot less energy, simply because it uses a lot less water. Less water needs less energy to heat (an old kettle isn`t more efficient than a new one, is it?) And less water needs a lower amount of detergent (of which manufacturers claim to be eco friendly by offering smaller packs for smaller doses). All in fact leads to less clean clothes, and longer program times to compensate. Old machines filled the drum to 50%, new ones maybe 5%. You can wash you car with only a bucketful of water, but its much better with a hose, or pressure washer.
Thank you for the numbers. I was talking about relative efficiency during the machines' working lives. A well-engineered machine will continue to perform closer to initial specification than a shoddily-built one. When the shoddier machine starts to shake, rattle, roll and leak, it is wasting energy and water and no longer performing to specification whereas often with over-engineered products they are actually wearing themselves in. Czechoslovakia has expanded on the point I made about gaming the colour charts. If you want to look at the cost of ownership you also need to look at residuals - my twelve year old Miele is still selling on Ebay for about half of what I paid for it.
I would also like to point out that its down to some units, you will really need to compare the figures for each unit.
If your washing machine is 12years old and is fetching 50% resale value, then that surely plays into my point - maybe it would work out cheaper long run for you to switch (to whatever brand)
Also for clarification, the energy efficiency rating has to be based on the KWH per cycle (ingore the A+ A++ and A+++ etc). Which have done some test of certain brands and I I can agree that the claims are usually erroneous. However, they all play by the same rules mostly, so if 10% out overall on both units would add to my savings, rather then reduce it.
Obviously we are talking sub £500 washing machines here mostly.
Which model do you have and what is the fault?
If you are genuinely worried about the call out charges, you can extend the warranty, even the two year ones, to ten years for £150. Our machine is twelve years old and has been faultless but this still looks like a pretty good deal to me. See here.
6 1/2 years.....I only get 2 years out of my machines though have domestic general warentee, they replaced the last 3 machines free
bosch and LG, do two loads a day though
Yeah...well I do a load a week (whether my clothes need washing or not!). :-P
6.5 years is junk. Machine is immaculate inside, but the counter balance weight has torn itself from its three plastic mounts. Pathetic design.