Seagate 2TB FireCuda 2.5 inch Internal SSHD Hard Drive for PC and PS4, £79.30 at Amazon
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Seagate 2TB FireCuda 2.5 inch Internal SSHD Hard Drive for PC and PS4, £79.30 at Amazon

£79.30£88 10% Amazon Deals
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Found 2nd Feb
Lowest price so far.
  • Game up to 5x faster than with traditional 7200-RPM hard drives.
  • FireCuda blends SSD with HDD for instant-on performance and the capacity you need.
  • Installs and operates like a standard hard drive; no additional drivers or software required.
  • 5 years warranty.
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"Game up to 5x faster"


Wouldn't that make the game unplayable?
gazdoubleu19 m ago

Probably if it wasn't a load of BS. Games might load a bit faster in …Probably if it wasn't a load of BS. Games might load a bit faster in reality



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zed6854 m ago

Your opinion, let's leave it there.



Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice based on my experience. You queried my comment. I replied. Next time don't query.

Oh and by the way, it is not the lowest price so far - you posted a deal for what appears to be the same drive on 2nd January for £76.95
Edited by: "fiqqer" 2nd Feb
fiqqer6 m ago

Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice …Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice based on my experience. You queried my comment. I replied. Next time don't query.


I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone over the internet - they’ll either provide a full/honest answer (as you did) or make up some BS story. Either way, no one really wins as you waste time and the person who asks still doesnt agree and inevitably says ‘that’s just your opinion’.

As someone who used these things extensively and read reviews beforehand I am convinced these are snake oil, built and designed to confuse buyers who don’t know better who think they are getting SSD performance with tons of storage - there is no such thing as a free lunch. The solution really is separate SSD for OS and HDD for storage/media.
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"Game up to 5x faster"


Wouldn't that make the game unplayable?
Heat, I got one of these when eBay were doing 20% off anything and I got it just a little less than this.
BetaRomeo9 m ago

"Game up to 5x faster"Wouldn't that make the game unplayable? …"Game up to 5x faster"Wouldn't that make the game unplayable?


Probably if it wasn't a load of BS. Games might load a bit faster in reality
Good price - heated!
They do massively improve boot times and launch times for regularly used apps.

I had one in my PS4 and it died - I decided not to put the replacement back in as the 8GB NAND is almost useless for my random gaming habits.
If you play 1 game all the time it will improve load times but with some games touching 100GB these days, not always!

I now use a conventional 2TB in the PS4 and have an SSD connected via USB for the games I want to load quicker.
Edited by: "BubaMan" 2nd Feb
Good price.I bought one early January for a bit more and it's been great, not revolutionary, but pretty good
BetaRomeo16 m ago

"Game up to 5x faster"Wouldn't that make the game unplayable? …"Game up to 5x faster"Wouldn't that make the game unplayable?



wow I cannot wait to see Mane run in Fifa18 with this thing
gazdoubleu19 m ago

Probably if it wasn't a load of BS. Games might load a bit faster in …Probably if it wasn't a load of BS. Games might load a bit faster in reality



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Having used many SSHDs I think they’re a scam - they will work ‘up to 5X faster in very select scenarios’ but otherwise they’re basically hard disks for speed and latency. Not only that but you rely on the firmware being half decent and not causing micro stutter like the first and second gen Seagate Momentus XT models did.
plewis003 m ago

you rely on the firmware being half decent and not causing micro stutter …you rely on the firmware being half decent and not causing micro stutter like the first and second gen Seagate Momentus XT models did.


wwhat?
aside from the BS about these drives - they will not improve performance 5x. They are essentially mechanical hard drives with a small buffer on SSD. They will start some programmes faster , others slower, as they have to load the programmes into the buffer first before they will run (ie the stutter mentioned elsewhere).

Also the you now have 2 things to go wrong - the mechanical disk and the SSD side. so are likely to be more unreliable than just having a hard drive.

Also this is not a good price - for just over a £100 you can get a more reliable 4tb drive.
Edited by: "fiqqer" 2nd Feb
rollmesome25 m ago

same price here with free assassins creed …same price here with free assassins creed originshttps://www.cclonline.com/product/220215/ST2000LX001/Hard-Drives/Seagate-FireCuda-2TB-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-Solid-State-Hybrid-Drive/HDD2798/


Didn't that expire the end of December or is this a new offer?
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fiqqer1 h, 14 m ago

aside from the BS about these drives - they will not improve performance …aside from the BS about these drives - they will not improve performance 5x. They are essentially mechanical hard drives with a small buffer on SSD. They will start some programmes faster , others slower, as they have to load the programmes into the buffer first before they will run (ie the stutter mentioned elsewhere).Also the you now have 2 things to go wrong - the mechanical disk and the SSD side. so are likely to be more unreliable than just having a hard drive. Also this is not a good price - for just over a £100 you can get a more reliable 4tb drive.


Care to elaborate, what makes you an expert?
rollmesome2nd Feb

same price here with free assassins creed …same price here with free assassins creed originshttps://www.cclonline.com/product/220215/ST2000LX001/Hard-Drives/Seagate-FireCuda-2TB-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-Solid-State-Hybrid-Drive/HDD2798/


Different price but this is same ebuyer.com/760…001
Edited by moderator: "trimmed link" 3rd Feb
Agharta36 m ago

Didn't that expire the end of December or is this a new offer?


i just bought one so offer back on maybe?
I don't have to be an expert to be able to know this, but I am an IT hardware buyer - I buy hardware devices for technicians, I build and buy computers and have direct meetings with hardware suppliers - Lenovo, HP, Dell.

It is easy enough to google relevant information without having to be an expert.


I know of no IT technical environment where these hybrid devices have been used. And there are reasons for that and I have been buying IT equipment for a very long time. None of my technicians have ever mentioned these hybrid drives as an option.

If you need speed get an SSD. If you need storage get a HDD. If you need speed and storage then buy both and use the ssd as a boot drive and for main programmes. Cheap SSD for around £40. Cheap HD for around £50. This will give better performance, better reliability.

If you have a laptop which only allows one drive get an ssd and an external drive for storage.
Edited by: "fiqqer" 2nd Feb
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fiqqer3 m ago

I don't have to be an expert to be able to know this, but I am an IT …I don't have to be an expert to be able to know this, but I am an IT hardware buyer - I buy hardware devices for technicians, I build and buy computers and have direct meetings with hardware suppliers - Lenovo, HP, Dell. It is easy enough to google relevant information without having to be an expert.I know of no IT technical environment where these hybrid devices have been used. And there are reasons for that.


Your opinion, let's leave it there.
zed6854 m ago

Your opinion, let's leave it there.



Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice based on my experience. You queried my comment. I replied. Next time don't query.

Oh and by the way, it is not the lowest price so far - you posted a deal for what appears to be the same drive on 2nd January for £76.95
Edited by: "fiqqer" 2nd Feb
fiqqer6 m ago

Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice …Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice based on my experience. You queried my comment. I replied. Next time don't query.


I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone over the internet - they’ll either provide a full/honest answer (as you did) or make up some BS story. Either way, no one really wins as you waste time and the person who asks still doesnt agree and inevitably says ‘that’s just your opinion’.

As someone who used these things extensively and read reviews beforehand I am convinced these are snake oil, built and designed to confuse buyers who don’t know better who think they are getting SSD performance with tons of storage - there is no such thing as a free lunch. The solution really is separate SSD for OS and HDD for storage/media.
plewis0011 m ago

I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone …I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone over the internet - they’ll either provide a full/honest answer (as you did) or make up some BS story. Either way, no one really wins as you waste time and the person who asks still doesnt agree and inevitably says ‘that’s just your opinion’.As someone who used these things extensively and read reviews beforehand I am convinced these are snake oil, built and designed to confuse buyers who don’t know better who think they are getting SSD performance with tons of storage - there is no such thing as a free lunch. The solution really is separate SSD for OS and HDD for storage/media.



Or as most would say : Marketing bulls***.

Oh and its a Seagate......
fiqqer3 h, 6 m ago

aside from the BS about these drives - they will not improve performance …aside from the BS about these drives - they will not improve performance 5x. They are essentially mechanical hard drives with a small buffer on SSD. They will start some programmes faster , others slower, as they have to load the programmes into the buffer first before they will run (ie the stutter mentioned elsewhere).Also the you now have 2 things to go wrong - the mechanical disk and the SSD side. so are likely to be more unreliable than just having a hard drive. Also this is not a good price - for just over a £100 you can get a more reliable 4tb drive.


You're thinking of a cache I think whereas this uses a different algorithm. Instead of caching most recently accessed data, it caches most frequently accessed data across... well I don't know, a time period. 8GB of your most frequently accessed data can make a fairly big difference, that's easily enough for some of your swap file etc.

I'm looking at them because they're 2TB 2.5" drives (so low power/heat) with a 5 year warranty. I'm also guessing that if you make a 5GB partition and use it as a write cache for the rest of the drive (Ceph is weird, writes to a cache partition then to the storage partition) that'll probably end up on the SSD and give you some extra performance. If not, no biggie.
My 2 pence:

I added a 2TB Firecuda to my PS4 because of Arkham Knight - I was always going to upgrade the oem 500gb, this game helped me decide on an SSHD.

The tank battles get very difficult and intense later in the game. Cutting the level reload time upon a death from 30sec + to around 10 or less helps keep momentum. After restarting the same level 3 times, that time saved WAS noticeable and I'm sure helped me complete the game by keeping my head in the moment.
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plewis002 h, 2 m ago

I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone …I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone over the internet - they’ll either provide a full/honest answer (as you did) or make up some BS story. Either way, no one really wins as you waste time and the person who asks still doesnt agree and inevitably says ‘that’s just your opinion’.As someone who used these things extensively and read reviews beforehand I am convinced these are snake oil, built and designed to confuse buyers who don’t know better who think they are getting SSD performance with tons of storage - there is no such thing as a free lunch. The solution really is separate SSD for OS and HDD for storage/media.


HDD is noisier and slower, not for me, be well
CampGareth1 h, 7 m ago

You're thinking of a cache I think whereas this uses a different …You're thinking of a cache I think whereas this uses a different algorithm. Instead of caching most recently accessed data, it caches most frequently accessed data across... well I don't know, a time period. 8GB of your most frequently accessed data can make a fairly big difference, that's easily enough for some of your swap file etc.I'm looking at them because they're 2TB 2.5" drives (so low power/heat) with a 5 year warranty. I'm also guessing that if you make a 5GB partition and use it as a write cache for the rest of the drive (Ceph is weird, writes to a cache partition then to the storage partition) that'll probably end up on the SSD and give you some extra performance. If not, no biggie.


Unfortunately as to what it decides to write and store in the cache you have little control over it - you just have to trust it'll do what you want and manage it properly. There will be cases where it'll make a big difference (see Slappyhaze99 below you) and if it's a PS4, then fine, because you can't fit two drives and I think I'm right in saying storage is more important than load time for that. However, if you do a lot with your computer/PC and the drive can't see a pattern then you will get little-to-no benefit - maybe for office PCs where it's just productivity software it'll be fine, but if people expect to use one of these for storing games, fill it and expect them all to load lots faster, they will be very disappointed.

Someone questioned the 'micro-stutter' I mentioned, it was well documented that early Momentus XT drives would freeze the computer for about 100ms every 5-10 seconds, something to do with the drive querying its cache, while the computer was waiting for a response you'd get that small freeze - it was annoying enough to throw you mid-game or ruin any kind of video watching.
zed6815 m ago

HDD is noisier and slower, not for me, be well


A hard disk makes the same amount of noise as an SSHD because they both have spinning platters and actuators...
Edited by: "plewis00" 2nd Feb
zed682 h, 3 m ago

HDD is noisier and slower, not for me, be well



posting deals is good - it gives people options - and this is not a bad deal for those who will benefit from this hybrid drive.

But posting nonsense like you have done and then being rude when someone corrects you is not a good attitude.

As I already explained, this is not a flash drive (SSD) - it is a mechanical drive with a small - in this case 8gb - flash component. It has a 5400 rpm mechanical spinning disk inside it, so will make the same noise as any other similar mechanical disk drive... and in most circumstances will be slower than a 7200 rpm mechanical drive which will be cheaper.
Edited by: "fiqqer" 2nd Feb
PS4 benchmark comparisons for this drive Vs stock - eurogamer.net/art…w_1
fiqqer19 h, 17 m ago

I don't have to be an expert to be able to know this, but I am an IT …I don't have to be an expert to be able to know this, but I am an IT hardware buyer - I buy hardware devices for technicians, I build and buy computers and have direct meetings with hardware suppliers - Lenovo, HP, Dell. It is easy enough to google relevant information without having to be an expert.I know of no IT technical environment where these hybrid devices have been used. And there are reasons for that and I have been buying IT equipment for a very long time. None of my technicians have ever mentioned these hybrid drives as an option. If you need speed get an SSD. If you need storage get a HDD. If you need speed and storage then buy both and use the ssd as a boot drive and for main programmes. Cheap SSD for around £40. Cheap HD for around £50. This will give better performance, better reliability.If you have a laptop which only allows one drive get an ssd and an external drive for storage.



You said something relevant, IT in business , we are home and game users. I don't believe what you stated is relevant to many people in HOTULDEALS, though correct of course. You should have stated that in your direct meetings with hardware suppliers you did not discuss consumer usage.

One key factor is business machines are likely to be left powered on. The opposite is true for consumers.

Many IT business items are not suitable for home users and vice versa. The decision depends on RAS, price performance, specific workloads characteristics etc..

For example, you wouldn't see memory sticks allowed in many business IT, you wouldn't see everyone having IT departmental size servers, you wouldn't see Windows shareware running in business, many IT systems are locked down.

This hybrid SSD is designed for consumer use and you are in IT.

I would never specify hybrid SSD disks for business use. However, We use two of these hybrid disks at home alongside many SSDs and normal hard disks. We use one in a Macbook for ease of reboots and it works miracles as we couldn't justify 500GB SSD then at around £500. We use another in i7 laptop running VMware needing frequent reboots of VM machines.
fiqqer19 h, 7 m ago

Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice …Yes my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. That is my best advice based on my experience. You queried my comment. I replied. Next time don't query.Oh and by the way, it is not the lowest price so far - you posted a deal for what appears to be the same drive on 2nd January for £76.95



I believe I have just shone a light to an incorrect application of key factual knowledge (rather than a difference in opinion in my long comment just above). The key facts used incorrectly are summarised as: IT requirements were used for home requirements, in a nutshell.
plewis0019 h, 1 m ago

I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone …I never understand what the best people expect when challenging someone over the internet - they’ll either provide a full/honest answer (as you did) or make up some BS story. Either way, no one really wins as you waste time and the person who asks still doesnt agree and inevitably says ‘that’s just your opinion’.As someone who used these things extensively and read reviews beforehand I am convinced these are snake oil, built and designed to confuse buyers who don’t know better who think they are getting SSD performance with tons of storage - there is no such thing as a free lunch. The solution really is separate SSD for OS and HDD for storage/media.

splender3 h, 46 m ago

I believe I have just shone a light to an incorrect application of key …I believe I have just shone a light to an incorrect application of key factual knowledge (rather than a difference in opinion in my long comment just above). The key facts used incorrectly are summarised as: IT requirements were used for home requirements, in a nutshell.


What you say is correct. These are designed for home use and in some circumstances they may be the best solution. Overall though I still maintain an SSD and a hard disk are a better solution. For only £10 (SSD plus hard drive) in total you will get something guaranteed faster in all circumstances and will be more reliable in the long term.
fiqqer15 m ago

What you say is correct. These are designed for home use and in some …What you say is correct. These are designed for home use and in some circumstances they may be the best solution. Overall though I still maintain an SSD and a hard disk are a better solution. For only £10 (SSD plus hard drive) in total you will get something guaranteed faster in all circumstances and will be more reliable in the long term.



Thank you. You are correct that SSD+hardisk offers a better solution, which is what I use in the main. However we do have two machines with a compromise using hybrid SSD.
1000’s of benchmark tests at hdd.userbenchmark.com show the BarraCuda is faster and cheaper. This drive would only start becoming faster “if” it’s using the 8gb memory, and with game at about 50gb it’s a big “if”.
Unexpire this, you can still backorder it.
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