Seagate Backup Plus Hub 8 TB USB 3.0 Desktop £154.99 @ Amazon
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Seagate Backup Plus Hub 8 TB USB 3.0 Desktop £154.99 @ Amazon

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Found 12th Dec 2017
I missed Black friday deals and some of the other offers and almost contemplated getting this from the US.

Seriously, the amount of hours I have spent looking for a decent price on this... and I was just about to go to bed and I thought 'one more look at amazon'

Well... its a deal on amazon, so be quick. When it is gone... it will be back in a couple of weeks.

It's currently only £10 more than the 6TB

As has been stated elsewhere, good for xbox one not ps4. Doesn't like the hub option.

  • Two integrated high-speed USB 3.0 ports on the front allow you to connect and recharge your other USB devices
  • Formatted for Windows computers out of the box
  • Install the provided NTFS driver for Mac and use the drive interchangeably between Windows and Mac computers without reformatting
  • Install the free Seagate Mobile Backup app on an iOS or Android mobile device, and back up all of the photos and videos from your device to your Seagate drive or to the cloud
  • Warranty: 2 years


As is made clear in other HDD deals. A backup is only a backup if you have more than one copy. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, or if you do... make sure you don't care about them.

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In b4 the usual.. 'stupid to put all your eggs in one basket' & 'backup whatever data you put on this' type comments.
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In b4 the usual.. 'stupid to put all your eggs in one basket' & 'backup whatever data you put on this' type comments.

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Whammerhead1 m ago

In b4 the usual.. 'stupid to put all your eggs in one basket' & 'backup …In b4 the usual.. 'stupid to put all your eggs in one basket' & 'backup whatever data you put on this' type comments.


Yeah, it's only ever going to be a 'backup' if you have 2 copies of it.

Thats a lot of movies.

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amazon.co.uk/Sea…3SC


this is the hard drive that's in it... I've read you can get it out, but it does need "breaking" a bit :P

I got lucky and got an 8tb enterprise capacity drive in these, worth nearly double this. I think its the slow archive drive or the enterprise drive.
Edited by: "FallenSouls" 12th Dec 2017

Having a few 4TB drives, it might seem useful to move to these drives for backup which probably would be good if I was doing conventional backup with incrementals (which I am not), as these archive drives apparently use Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) which means they are designed to be written to once and then simply read from.
Presumably if you are updating then the data will become very fragmented and then slow to read as well.
Useless then for my films which I add to regularly and then occasionally update the backup copies with new/changed files.
I can't actually think of a situation where data is static and never needs to be changed, just added to. (Except for conventional backup)
Useless as raided of course.
Ps I'm talking about the drive inside of course I can't imagine using this device itself
Edited by: "jasee" 12th Dec 2017

i got a PMR drive inside mine. i found on a forum that some people got PMR drives and others got SMR drives, but you can't tell until you get it

uni27 m ago

i got a PMR drive inside mine. i found on a forum that some people got PMR …i got a PMR drive inside mine. i found on a forum that some people got PMR drives and others got SMR drives, but you can't tell until you get it


And what does this mean?

WalterSmith1 m ago

And what does this mean?


Ah just read it above.

emportal8 h, 15 m ago

Yeah, it's only ever going to be a 'backup' if you have 2 copies of it.



Some would argue 3 copies. I'm paranoid and back up my important docs 4 times, 5 if u include my PC copy.

I doubt any of these are supplied with a PMR drive. What is the drive number? ST8000DM004 (Baracuda Compute) seems to be the most common on newer stock, and that is an SMR drive. Seagate's product numbering/naming is very confusing, but more of their drives are using SMR now, even down to 2TB.

It's not all bad though, as they seemed to have improved the write performance of these drives. I bought a 5TB Seagate a couple of years ago and I get around 30MB/s write speed once the (small) buffer is full!

Ordered one of these thanks OP

I ordered one of these yesterday for work ... good stuff. Thanks!

I wouldn't touch Seagate drives again with a barge pole!

I had two go belly up. You have to pay to ship the drives back to Seagate and they send you a crappy recertified drive as a a replacement. So I send virtually new drives off with a few hours use on and get used, previously faulty ones back with no-one knows how many hours use. I just wonder if people would put up with having a similar but well used car returned to them when they take it to the garage for a warranty repair with twice the milage on it than your original?

Heat added, thanks for posting

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Reebok.Ron14 m ago

I wouldn't touch Seagate drives again with a barge pole!I had two go belly …I wouldn't touch Seagate drives again with a barge pole!I had two go belly up. You have to pay to ship the drives back to Seagate and they send you a crappy recertified drive as a a replacement. So I send virtually new drives off with a few hours use on and get used, previously faulty ones back with no-one knows how many hours use. I just wonder if people would put up with having a similar but well used car returned to them when they take it to the garage for a warranty repair with twice the milage on it than your original?

The warranty link on Amazon says they will pay at their cost. ... By law I believe you are entitled to your money back. Amazon are usually pretty good anyway. I have claimed even over a year on some things. No issue. I've had WD Maxtor and Seagate. They all seem to be alright. Sorry to hear you got a couple of duds.

I nearly bought this now after checking camelcamelcamel. But a quick search on HUKD shows the same thing for GBP 135 and less.
Now, I am doubtful of relying on camelcamelcamel lol

jasee9 h, 14 m ago

Having a few 4TB drives, it might seem useful to move to these drives for …Having a few 4TB drives, it might seem useful to move to these drives for backup which probably would be good if I was doing conventional backup with incrementals (which I am not), as these archive drives apparently use Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) which means they are designed to be written to once and then simply read from. Presumably if you are updating then the data will become very fragmented and then slow to read as well. Useless then for my films which I add to regularly and then occasionally update the backup copies with new/changed files. I can't actually think of a situation where data is static and never needs to be changed, just added to. (Except for conventional backup)Useless as raided of course.Ps I'm talking about the drive inside of course I can't imagine using this device itself



You're being unfair towards SMR drives and making some incorrect assumptions. They're not designed to be written to once, and then read from - you can write to them as much as you want, but there is a performance hit when you do write to them in an area that already contains data on the next track. It's not too bad either, it's just not as good as a non-SMR drive.

Fragmentation is an entirely different issue and not related to SMR as such. The issue with SMR drives is writing speed, not fragmentation.

As for the situation with films changing - this is non-issue. Once you've updated the data, then SMR is irrelevant. It's only when the write happens, that you get a read-write-modify process.

This has some good real world examples, although it probably isn't the exact same drive, it still uses SMR and is 8TB: storagereview.com/sea…8tb

Writing to the drive for a period will cause a drop in performance, certainly for 4k random IO. As the second article states:

"Ultimately the Seagate Archive 8TB HDD has a lot of legs in very specific use cases. As a single drive it's fine, if the use case can tolerate slower sustained writes. With burst writes and reads, the drive performs very well...We ran several tests to characterize the Archive drive's limits. In our single-drive synthetic tests measuring burst speeds, the Archive HDD ran close to its cousin, the Seagate Enterprise 6TB, in 2MB sequential transfer. In the 2MB random transfer the HDD had the fastest write speeds at 109MB/s. In our 4K random transfer the drive again had the fastest write speeds at 10.5MB/s. Its 4K throughput was the highest for write at 2,693 IOPS and it had an impressive average latency at 0.37ms.".



The short version is: Don't use a SMR drive for your OS. Use them to store data which has low-medium frequency changes (films, games, photos, etc...). Anything that does a lot of writing (including random) for small files will have lower performance - but will still work fine. If you do deal with a lot of smaller files that change frequently, you'll get poor performance and would be better serviced by a non-SMR or a SSD.

Other than that, don't worry about it.
Edited by: "nomnomnomnom" 12th Dec 2017

Anyone know if it has a fan in it?

Dodge6217 m ago

Anyone know if it has a fan in it?


Seagate drives don't have many fans

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minimoney7 m ago

Seagate drives don't have many fans

Ay ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

emportal1 h, 6 m ago

The warranty link on Amazon says they will pay at their cost.


Hmmm, who to believe?

seagate.com/sup…cy/
"You must pay shipping costs for all shipments from you to us."

Dodge6226 m ago

Anyone know if it has a fan in it?


No it does not..I own this exact one.

Ahmed.Shumayal48 m ago

I nearly bought this now after checking camelcamelcamel. But a quick …I nearly bought this now after checking camelcamelcamel. But a quick search on HUKD shows the same thing for GBP 135 and less. Now, I am doubtful of relying on camelcamelcamel lol


I bought it on black friday deals when it was 135£ but that was for Amazon Prime members only...it was 154£ then if you are not a prime member...

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Ahmed.Shumayal49 m ago

I nearly bought this now after checking camelcamelcamel. But a quick …I nearly bought this now after checking camelcamelcamel. But a quick search on HUKD shows the same thing for GBP 135 and less. Now, I am doubtful of relying on camelcamelcamel lol

Really? Where sure that is not the 6TB version for 135?

FMCHAOS6 h, 40 m ago

Some would argue 3 copies. I'm paranoid and back up my important docs 4 …Some would argue 3 copies. I'm paranoid and back up my important docs 4 times, 5 if u include my PC copy.


The 3-2-1 rule applies to backups:

3 copies on 2 types on media, 1 kept offsite.

Any deals on a 4TB? Been looking for a while and not seen anything really below £100.

Last time out I bought a 2TB seagate drive and butchered it for the 3.5" inside, as it was cheaper than a bare drive.

I recently grabbed a 4TB WD Passport 2.5" to serve as a backup (via a batch file full of ROBOCOPY commands that just tracks changes to my media). Unfortunately, this leaves me with a backup drive that's twice the size of the media drive on the PC, so looking to rectify that

uni8 h, 27 m ago

i got a PMR drive inside mine. i found on a forum that some people got PMR …i got a PMR drive inside mine. i found on a forum that some people got PMR drives and others got SMR drives, but you can't tell until you get it


Could you tell it was a PMR drive before you took the plastic case apart?

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Ahmed.Shumayal25 m ago

Sure it was 8TB …Sure it was 8TB https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/seagate-backup-plus-hub-8-tb-usb-30-desktop-35-inch-external-hard-drive-for-pc-and-mac-with-integrated-2-port-usb-hub-13499-amazon-2839421Also I think I have seen this for even GBP 119.99 !

Ah yeah, prime day. But this is as good as it gets for the last few months

Undergrid1 h, 21 m ago

Could you tell it was a PMR drive before you took the plastic case apart?


Easiest way is to simply copy several large files to it (a few hundred GBs in total). Check the transfer speed after about 30s, when things have settled down, and then again toward the end. With an SMR drive there will be a significant drop in speed at the end of the transfer as the buffer in the drive is exhausted.

Ahmed.Shumayal1 h, 9 m ago

Sure it was 8TB …Sure it was 8TB https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/seagate-backup-plus-hub-8-tb-usb-30-desktop-35-inch-external-hard-drive-for-pc-and-mac-with-integrated-2-port-usb-hub-13499-amazon-2839421Also I think I have seen this for even GBP 119.99 !



Yes - prime day hotukdeals.com/dea…548


I seem to remember I thought about it then - wish I'd bought it. But then I could have bought bitcoins instead and made loads more money. Just bought one at the current price.

Most external drives dont have good airflow because people expect it to be quite these days and they suffocate in these plastic cases if youre a heavy user.

Undergrid1 h, 39 m ago

Could you tell it was a PMR drive before you took the plastic case apart?


I expected a smr drive so only found out once I pu!Lee the drive. I did think it filled up pretty quickly but thought maybe that's normal and its the rewriting that's just slow. I tolerant found a forum discussing it and they found some where she and some where pmr and you could get disc info connecti g via usb so you can find out before opening the case which can't be out back together without showing traces of opening it

uni30 m ago

I expected a smr drive so only found out once I pu!Lee the drive. I did …I expected a smr drive so only found out once I pu!Lee the drive. I did think it filled up pretty quickly but thought maybe that's normal and its the rewriting that's just slow. I tolerant found a forum discussing it and they found some where she and some where pmr and you could get disc info connecti g via usb so you can find out before opening the case which can't be out back together without showing traces of opening it


It's only rewriting, and that's only true when there is data on the track next to it. Otherwise it's just normal speed.

Do you have a link to identify the drive without opening? I'd like to know which one is in mine

Banned

Using this for my Xbox One and have never had a problem. Everything transfers or downloads to it pretty quick and everything on it plays just fine

nomnomnomnom26 m ago

It's only rewriting, and that's only true when there is data on the track …It's only rewriting, and that's only true when there is data on the track next to it. Otherwise it's just normal speed.Do you have a link to identify the drive without opening? I'd like to know which one is in mine


Yes if you go into computer management then down to disk management. At the top on the right section it will list the drives c: / d:/ select one click properties then the hardware tab and you will see the list of the make and model of the drive unit. If you google that model you can see which one it is.

Also a program called speccy which is free is a good way to see the make and model of the hardware in your machine.

Redscoped34 m ago

Yes if you go into computer management then down to disk management. At …Yes if you go into computer management then down to disk management. At the top on the right section it will list the drives c: / d:/ select one click properties then the hardware tab and you will see the list of the make and model of the drive unit. If you google that model you can see which one it is.Also a program called speccy which is free is a good way to see the make and model of the hardware in your machine.


Sadly that only gives me the generic "Seagate Game Drive Xbox SCSI Disk Device".
I'll try some external programs later. Cheers

Martyn33418 h, 28 m ago

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-Archive-3-5-Inch-Drive/dp/B00XS423SCthis is the hard drive that's in it... I've read you can get it out, but it does need "breaking" a bit :P


I grabbed one on Black Friday, cracked it open and have installed this already, the clips on the case do break slightly but still clips back together. I tried the gentle approach and literally got nowhere, once the case is slightly off just brute force pull it. Clips will break but you will save time and effort and highly doubt you will fare any better with taking your time.

jasee17 h, 34 m ago

Having a few 4TB drives, it might seem useful to move to these drives for …Having a few 4TB drives, it might seem useful to move to these drives for backup which probably would be good if I was doing conventional backup with incrementals (which I am not), as these archive drives apparently use Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) which means they are designed to be written to once and then simply read from. Presumably if you are updating then the data will become very fragmented and then slow to read as well. Useless then for my films which I add to regularly and then occasionally update the backup copies with new/changed files. I can't actually think of a situation where data is static and never needs to be changed, just added to. (Except for conventional backup)Useless as raided of course.Ps I'm talking about the drive inside of course I can't imagine using this device itself


I back up all my wedding photography to a Drive like this and at the end of the year put it into storage. It only gets written to once.
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