Seagate FireCuda 2TB 2.5" Solid State Hard Drive (SSHD) £79.99 @ Amazon
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Seagate FireCuda 2TB 2.5" Solid State Hard Drive (SSHD) £79.99 @ Amazon

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Found 23rd Mar 2017
I've been looking to upgrade my PS4's internal drive for a while and have been waiting for the price on this to come down. Just dropped to £79.99 on Amazon so I've bitten!

- FireCuda blends SSD with HDD for instant-on performance and the capacity you need
- The ideal upgrade for PC and console gamers, creative professionals and enthusiasts who want it all, now
- Game up to 5x faster than with traditional 7200-RPM hard drives
- Installs and operates like a standard hard drive; 100% compatible with PlayStation 4
- 5 years warranty

Cheapest it's ever been on CamelCamelCamel by £20 too.

Digital Foundry also have a great video about how this drive works and the benefit you would get from installing it in a PS4, although this can also apply to your PC/Laptop as well.
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Bought last month for £103 off Amazon too
p.s this is a good deal though! can't see why its been voted cold???
supercasual

p.s this is a good deal though! can't see why its been voted cold???



​probably because people are just seeing a standard 2.5" hdd.

voted hot here
Still astonished that its cold! Best price I have ever seen on UK hot deals unless someone can point me to one?
This is a really good deal! I would totally have bought one at this price if I hadn't already stuck a 2TB external seagate drive into my PS4.
Anyone looking to upgrade their PS4 should definitely grab this at that price.
People need to know what they are voting on before voting cold . Cheapest price yet for this drive sshd not just a normal mechanical hard drive.
SSHD is just marketing rubbish though, first of all what does "Game up to 5x faster" even mean? Nothing, that's what. First of all, even if we presume it's a real thing, what does it mean by faster? Load times? FPS? In game speed? Who the F knows?

Basically the only way an SSD can 'improve' gaming is the loading time and [basically] nothing else, and that's with a pure SSD, what's this piece of crap with an 8GB SSD going to do? That can't even fit 20% of most games on it these days. You're buying snake oil.
Put this in a laptop and you will definitely see some improvements in speed and performance! copying files to an external drive is quite faster and will you will see the copying quicker. its not an SSD drive, but, its also not £500 which it would cost if it was! as a trade off for the price it is a subtle upgrade for laptops and other devices.
dcx_badass

SSHD is just marketing rubbish though, first of all what does "Game up to … SSHD is just marketing rubbish though, first of all what does "Game up to 5x faster" even mean? Nothing, that's what. First of all, even if we presume it's a real thing, what does it mean by faster? Load times? FPS? In game speed? Who the F knows?Basically the only way an SSD can 'improve' gaming is the loading time and [basically] nothing else, and that's with a pure SSD, what's this piece of crap with an 8GB SSD going to do? That can't even fit 20% of most games on it these days. You're buying snake oil.



They're intelligent drives just like all SSHD drives, the most used files get moved to nand, if you keep dying in a game the load time for that level will get faster each time, even after just a single load, a few more times and its up to SSD speeds.

Doesn't effect a full game load from startup but it does effect in game load times.

Edited by: "4Real2016" 24th Mar 2017
Assuming it's getting cold votes because it's not a proper SSD which the title makes you first think, but anyone knows at this price for that size it won't be lol. I got super excited until I realised it won't be a pure ssd drive. Either way it's still a super hot price for a slightly better/faster than average hard drive, no?

I don't know enough about these drives myself, would it be better? I donno, probably minor but with such little in terms of SSD how does it work? Does it as described above in comment #8 somehow intelligently know and do certain parts faster only?
Edited by: "liltman" 23rd Mar 2017
4Real2016

They're intelligent drives just like all SSHD drives, the most use files … They're intelligent drives just like all SSHD drives, the most use files get moved to nand, if you keep dying in a game the load time for that level will get faster each time, even after just a single load, a few more times and its up to SSD speeds.Doesn't effect a full game load from startup but it does effect in game load times.



How? Can it just load certain parts. I mean 8gb isn't much. Does this work because it's just doing smaller parts?
liltman

How? Can it just load certain parts. I mean 8gb isn't much. Does this … How? Can it just load certain parts. I mean 8gb isn't much. Does this work because it's just doing smaller parts?



This isn't the best example but your get the idea

m.youtube.com/wat….be
Cold? Heat from me!
why do u keep mentioning 8gb? its a 2Tb drive...did i miss something?
Cherried

why do u keep mentioning 8gb? its a 2Tb drive...did i miss something?



"Solid State Hard Drive" means a small solid state drive and a big hard drive are combined into one unit and appear as one unit to whatever it gets plugged into. The solid state portion is 8GB, the hard drive is 2TB. You see a 2TB drive but up to 8GB of data can be accessed way faster than a regular hard drive. Unfortunately 8GB is an absolutely tiny amount of data so these drives are barely better than a pure hard drive in real world use.
Cherried

why do u keep mentioning 8gb? its a 2Tb drive...did i miss something?


2tb drive mechanical hard drive with 8gb ssd cache
CampGareth

"Solid State Hard Drive" means a small solid state drive and a big hard … "Solid State Hard Drive" means a small solid state drive and a big hard drive are combined into one unit and appear as one unit to whatever it gets plugged into. The solid state portion is 8GB, the hard drive is 2TB. You see a 2TB drive but up to 8GB of data can be accessed way faster than a regular hard drive. Unfortunately 8GB is an absolutely tiny amount of data so these drives are barely better than a pure hard drive in real world use.



Yes it only has 8GB of NAND, but do you know what the purpose of a load screen is during a game?

Games use loads screens to read what's needed into memory (RAM) first and how much memory does a PS4 have, 8GB.

So it shouldn't be to difficult to understand why these drives have there use, reading data into memory from NAND is much faster and is exactly what's happening in the video above.

Edited by: "4Real2016" 24th Mar 2017
4Real2016

This isn't the best example but your get the … This isn't the best example but your get the ideahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hftHjOvcUtc&feature=youtu.be



Interesting, thank you!
I knew I wasn't crazy when Horizon was taking 1minute or more to load! My friend said his took 30 seconds lol, but I donno how on standard drives. So consoles really do take this long to load!

Be nice to stick an SSD in when prices go low again.
liltman

Interesting, thank you!I knew I wasn't crazy when Horizon was taking … Interesting, thank you!I knew I wasn't crazy when Horizon was taking 1minute or more to load! My friend said his took 30 seconds lol, but I donno how on standard drives. So consoles really do take this long to load! Be nice to stick an SSD in when prices go low again.



Yeah, SSD is nice, at least you can now get an external SSD and move just the games your currently playing onto it and use the internal drive as storage.
4Real2016

Yes it only has 8GB of NAND, but do you know what the purpose of a load … Yes it only has 8GB of NAND, but do you know what the purpose of a load screen is during a game?Games use loads screens to read what's needed into memory (RAM) first and how much memory does a PS4 have, 8GB.So it shouldn't be to difficult to understand why these drives have there use, reading data into memory from NAND is much faster and is exactly what's happening in the video above.



Except that has problems in practice, like how does the drive know to cache the next level? It doesn't understand what a level is, it only knows blocks. It can guess that maybe if you read 1MB of blocks that maybe the following 1MB of blocks would also be useful so it can load that, but if that first 1MB is the start of a 50GB read then caching that little bit extra isn't useful. For all of that huge read btw it's spending all its time waiting for the HDD portion to come back with data, the interface to the computer is a few times faster than the HDD so every time it loads a block it immediately gets sent over to the computer, the cache is totally useless there.

One of the places it does work are when you're writing less than 8GB and not asking for a sync to HDD. In that situation you get SSD-writing speeds which aren't great because, well, it's a terrible SSD, maybe 1 flash chip being written to instead of the 8-16 simultaneously of a full-blown SSD.

The other place is in re-reading frequently accessed data that fits in the cache, maybe for a page file? Not much to say here, if you've accessed it once it'll probably still be in cache when you access it again assuming you don't wait too long.

Here's a review to back this up (reviews are kinda hard to find): youtu.be/4kR…262

The results? It's the same or worse than a regular HDD. I'm surprised it doesn't benefit in the areas outlined above. The PS4's a weird case btw, it seems like it's terrible at HDD accesses. Like seriously awful. Why on earth should it take more time to load low resolution textures from an SSD than it takes a PC to load high resolution ones from the same SSD. There's a bottleneck somewhere there and it isn't the drive.
Edited by: "CampGareth" 24th Mar 2017
CampGareth

Except that has problems in practice, like how does the drive know to … Except that has problems in practice, like how does the drive know to cache the next level? It doesn't understand what a level is, it only knows blocks. It can guess that maybe if you read 1MB of blocks that maybe the following 1MB of blocks would also be useful so it can load that, but if that first 1MB is the start of a 50GB read then caching that little bit extra isn't useful. For all of that huge read btw it's spending all its time waiting for the HDD portion to come back with data, the interface to the computer is a few times faster than the HDD so every time it loads a block it immediately gets sent over to the computer, the cache is totally useless there.One of the places it does work are when you're writing less than 8GB and not asking for a sync to HDD. In that situation you get SSD-writing speeds which aren't great because, well, it's a terrible SSD, maybe 1 flash chip being written to instead of the 8-16 simultaneously of a full-blown SSD.The other place is in re-reading frequently accessed data that fits in the cache, maybe for a page file? Not much to say here, if you've accessed it once it'll probably still be in cache when you access it again assuming you don't wait too long.Here's a review to back this up (reviews are kinda hard to find): https://youtu.be/4kRswpJfJhQ?t=262The results? It's the same or worse than a regular HDD. I'm surprised it doesn't benefit in the areas outlined above. The PS4's a weird case btw, it seems like it's terrible at HDD accesses. Like seriously awful. Why on earth should it take more time to load low resolution textures from an SSD than it takes a PC to load high resolution ones from the same SSD. There's a bottleneck somewhere there and it isn't the drive.



Maybe you should read all posts in a thread including mine, or watch the video I posted above, I never said it was a psychic drive, of course it doesn't know in advance what level is coming next.

hotukdeals.com/dea…880

I'm also only talking about PS4 use, I couldn't care less about anything else when you can use an SSD, PS4 isn't going to be loading anything above 8 GB during an in game load.

They have very limited use, but personally I don't want to wait forever when I die in a game.

FYI - Most of those tests that guy runs in the video are pointless with SSHD, at least without more info on previous loads, Crystal Disk Mark would only ever test the mechanical part of the drive.
Edited by: "4Real2016" 24th Mar 2017
Why did you have to go and post this, when I was enjoying a nice peaceful Friday evening, not a care in the world. Now you've got me fuming, wishing I had waited a couple of weeks and saved £20. Incidentally, I gave this heat. Haven't a clue why it's not hot!
4Real2016

Maybe you should read all posts in a thread including mine, or watch the … Maybe you should read all posts in a thread including mine, or watch the video I posted above, I never said it was a psychic drive, of course it doesn't know in advance what level is coming next.http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/seagate-firecuda-2tb-2-5-solid-state-hard-drive-sshd-79-99-amazon-2644072?p=30343880I'm also only talking about PS4 use, I couldn't care less about anything else when you can use an SSD, PS4 isn't going to be loading anything above 8 GB during an in game load.They have very limited use, but personally I don't want to wait forever when I die in a game.FYI - Most of those tests that guy runs in the video are pointless with SSHD, at least without more info on previous loads, Crystal Disk Mark would only ever test the mechanical part of the drive.


Well since they're not advertised as being exclusively compatible with games consoles maybe we should evaluate their usefulness in other scenarios? I wouldn't judge a car exhaust on its ability to be a chimney for a house but this is a generic, plain old hard drive that'd fit in nearly any computer made in the last decade or two.

My use case is as a NAS drive since 2.5" drives that could spin down the HDD and use the SSD as a write cache until that fills up would be ideal for saving power. The random write performance could be pretty great, random reads could be better than normal if it eagerly reads surrounding blocks. While it could do all of this it is instead junk for this usage because they've chosen an unsuitable algorithm. C'mon seagate, rename this brand "gamercuda" and bring out an enterprise version (not too expensive mind you) with a good algorithm for servers.
CampGareth

Well since they're not advertised as being exclusively compatible with … Well since they're not advertised as being exclusively compatible with games consoles maybe we should evaluate their usefulness in other scenarios? I wouldn't judge a car exhaust on its ability to be a chimney for a house but this is a generic, plain old hard drive that'd fit in nearly any computer made in the last decade or two.My use case is as a NAS drive since 2.5" drives that could spin down the HDD and use the SSD as a write cache until that fills up would be ideal for saving power. The random write performance could be pretty great, random reads could be better than normal if it eagerly reads surrounding blocks. While it could do all of this it is instead junk for this usage because they've chosen an unsuitable algorithm. C'mon seagate, rename this brand "gamercuda" and bring out an enterprise version (not too expensive mind you) with a good algorithm for servers.



I think you misunderstand how these drives work, in any case would you really want to use an SMR drive in a NAS?
Damn it, literally just went looking for one of these, searched here to find this bargain price in my opinion, only to click through and now over £100 on Amazon.
Its just a mechanical hard drive with a small cache. Nothing special about this at all. Its the price you expect for 2 tb drive.
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