Seat Leon Cupra 300 - £249pm (1+23 Lease), 8KPA, £180 admin @ Seat Warrington
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Seat Leon Cupra 300 - £249pm (1+23 Lease), 8KPA, £180 admin @ Seat Warrington

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Edited by:"The_Hoff"Found 31st Aug 2017
Update 13/10/17 - The deal is still on!

Just gone for one of these myself. Standard kit is superb, nav, android auto/apple car/full link, metallic paint and so on. Price listed is a manual, DSG adds cost.

These are factory orders for delivery Dec/Jan so bare that in mind.

You can add 1K miles to your lease for £5pm extra e.g 9K - £254.

24 months is £5976 (plus admin fee). Total lease cost comes in at around 20% of OTR, which is excellent, for a 300PS/298BHP car capable of 60mph in 5.7 seconds

Review:
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rogparki3 h, 32 m ago

Also be aware that as resale prices drop the lease companies will be …Also be aware that as resale prices drop the lease companies will be adding even more punitive "end of lease " charges re scratches etc . PCPs are only for plonkers who think that having a "posh, flashy" car makes them look "cool" . In reality everyone knows you can't afford the car or the insurance and by the time you have your "cool" Phone also on contract and maxed out your credit cards you have no money for a social life to flaunt your flashy rentals . Then I suppose you become a "gamer " rarely seeing the outside world as you have no money left .


You know this is a lease and has nothing to do with a PCP?
rogparki3 h, 41 m ago

A nice car granted - but why would you ? The Leon FR is an excellent car …A nice car granted - but why would you ? The Leon FR is an excellent car with all the gizmos you would need - why pay the extra ,and the extra insurance for performance you could never use - legally ?


Do you wear branded shoes?

Why is there always one Norris in every lease thread...
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 31st Aug 2017
rogparki14 m ago

1 + 23 Lease - Tell me why this isn't PCP ? And it isn't compulsory to …1 + 23 Lease - Tell me why this isn't PCP ? And it isn't compulsory to insult anyone who criticises your Non Deal - so why do it ?


Because a pcp is a Personal Contract PURCHASE.
Lease is completly different.

Did you just come in here to have a moan?
Edited by: "xoddsockthiefx" 31st Aug 2017
rogparki1 h, 12 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?


You're an idiot... No more to say..
Most VAG leases stipulate no track-day use. But worth checking.

But, in before "ugh lease cars ruined my life with charges on scratches etc...." Copy and post from the Tiguan thread re fair wear and tear for anyone worried:


My previous lease had damage that was my fault - bike rack slipped down and rubbed paintwork off the bumper in two places. Chipsaway did a totally shoddy job of repairing it (note: I would have done the repair had it been a lease, new-purchase, or second-hand purchase).

When the guy came to pick it up he didn't even notice it and was more concerned about the interior, than exterior. We chatted about the BVRLA guidance for allowed wear and tear - it's surprisingly generous - more so than what the garage or a private buyer would consider as "fair".

bvrla.co.uk/ser…des

bvrla.co.uk/adv…cle

drive-electric.co.uk/wp-…pdf


I bet my left testicle that no franchised garage, indie or private buyer would be happy to overlook all of the below, when trading or selling a car to them.

"Chips
Small areas of chipping, including door edge chipping are acceptable.
If the areas of chipping require the entire panel, bumper or trim to be
repaired or repainted, the damage is not acceptable.

Dents
Dents (up to 10mm) are acceptable provided there are no more than two (2)
per panel and the paint surface is not broken.
Dents on the roof or swage line on any panels are not acceptable.

Scratches
Scratches and abrasions up to 25mm are acceptable, relative to the
vehicle’s age and mileage, and provided the primer or bare metal is not
showing.

Moulding, wheel arch trims
Scuffs and scratches up to 25mm are acceptable provided the moulding or
trim is not broken, cracked or deformed.

Windows/windscreens
Light scratching is acceptable provided it does not interfere with the
driver’s line of sight and any heating elements still work properly.
Chips, cracks or holes are not acceptable.

Repaired chips within the driver’s line of sight are not acceptable.
Repaired chips outside the driver’s line of sight are acceptable provided they
are repaired to a professional standard and the work is warrantied.

Wheels and wheel trims
Dents and holes on wheel rims and wheel trims
are not acceptable.

Scuffs totalling up to 50mm on the total
circumference of the wheel trim and on alloy wheels are acceptable.
Any damage to the wheel spokes and the hub of the alloy wheel is not
acceptable.

The spare wheel (including ‘spacesaver’), jack and other tools must be
intact, stowed properly and in good working order.

The emergency tyre inflation canister, if supplied when new, should be in
full working order, serviceable and ready for use. A canister that has been
partially or fully discharged should be replaced. "


Lesson: if the lease company doesn't agree to follow BVRLA guidelines, steer clear!
266 Comments
Nice car. Was looking at a Fiesta st-3 initially.

Tempting.
Banned
Never VW Concern
My 21 year old son has the Ibiza cupra - pays £180 pm on 12k 24 month deal. Bit of a bargain for a very quick car
Also went for one of these last week
Original Poster
kevinorourke17 m ago

Also went for one of these last week


You deal with Phil? Trying to work out how to track the order, you any wiser?
The_Hoff10 m ago

You deal with Phil? Trying to work out how to track the order, you any …You deal with Phil? Trying to work out how to track the order, you any wiser?

I've dealt with Adam. Apparently Seat don't have a tracking website like VW so it's just a matter of contacting IMG and getting updates. I'be been told to chase up in September so will get in touch later next week for an estimate on build/delivery dates
Can you take a lease car on a track if you have track day insurance in place? Or is it against the terms of the contract?
Original Poster
TheNoid5 m ago

Can you take a lease car on a track if you have track day insurance in …Can you take a lease car on a track if you have track day insurance in place? Or is it against the terms of the contract?


If you have insurance that covers the car in totality then there's nothing to stop you doing so.

If it's wrecked on the inspection when you hand it back you'll have to cover any damage over wear and tear.
I haven't kept up with VAG cars for a while, but is this essentially a rebodied Scirocco?
Original Poster
notos3 m ago

I haven't kept up with VAG cars for a while, but is this essentially a …I haven't kept up with VAG cars for a while, but is this essentially a rebodied Scirocco?


Essentially a FWD Golf R.
The_Hoff17 m ago

If you have insurance that covers the car in totality then there's nothing …If you have insurance that covers the car in totality then there's nothing to stop you doing so.If it's wrecked on the inspection when you hand it back you'll have to cover any damage over wear and tear.


I would seriously doubt this. Lombard are one of the largest car finance companies and they exclude it. That said, I have no idea how they would find out.
notos11 m ago

I haven't kept up with VAG cars for a while, but is this essentially a …I haven't kept up with VAG cars for a while, but is this essentially a rebodied Scirocco?


The Leon is SEAT's version of the VW Golf. The VW Scirocco is a much older car.
Original Poster
Trickytimes6 m ago

I would seriously doubt this. Lombard are one of the largest car finance …I would seriously doubt this. Lombard are one of the largest car finance companies and they exclude it. That said, I have no idea how they would find out.


Provided you're not racing, i.e it's an open track day I don't think you'd have issue.

Check the terms.
Most VAG leases stipulate no track-day use. But worth checking.

But, in before "ugh lease cars ruined my life with charges on scratches etc...." Copy and post from the Tiguan thread re fair wear and tear for anyone worried:


My previous lease had damage that was my fault - bike rack slipped down and rubbed paintwork off the bumper in two places. Chipsaway did a totally shoddy job of repairing it (note: I would have done the repair had it been a lease, new-purchase, or second-hand purchase).

When the guy came to pick it up he didn't even notice it and was more concerned about the interior, than exterior. We chatted about the BVRLA guidance for allowed wear and tear - it's surprisingly generous - more so than what the garage or a private buyer would consider as "fair".

bvrla.co.uk/ser…des

bvrla.co.uk/adv…cle

drive-electric.co.uk/wp-…pdf


I bet my left testicle that no franchised garage, indie or private buyer would be happy to overlook all of the below, when trading or selling a car to them.

"Chips
Small areas of chipping, including door edge chipping are acceptable.
If the areas of chipping require the entire panel, bumper or trim to be
repaired or repainted, the damage is not acceptable.

Dents
Dents (up to 10mm) are acceptable provided there are no more than two (2)
per panel and the paint surface is not broken.
Dents on the roof or swage line on any panels are not acceptable.

Scratches
Scratches and abrasions up to 25mm are acceptable, relative to the
vehicle’s age and mileage, and provided the primer or bare metal is not
showing.

Moulding, wheel arch trims
Scuffs and scratches up to 25mm are acceptable provided the moulding or
trim is not broken, cracked or deformed.

Windows/windscreens
Light scratching is acceptable provided it does not interfere with the
driver’s line of sight and any heating elements still work properly.
Chips, cracks or holes are not acceptable.

Repaired chips within the driver’s line of sight are not acceptable.
Repaired chips outside the driver’s line of sight are acceptable provided they
are repaired to a professional standard and the work is warrantied.

Wheels and wheel trims
Dents and holes on wheel rims and wheel trims
are not acceptable.

Scuffs totalling up to 50mm on the total
circumference of the wheel trim and on alloy wheels are acceptable.
Any damage to the wheel spokes and the hub of the alloy wheel is not
acceptable.

The spare wheel (including ‘spacesaver’), jack and other tools must be
intact, stowed properly and in good working order.

The emergency tyre inflation canister, if supplied when new, should be in
full working order, serviceable and ready for use. A canister that has been
partially or fully discharged should be replaced. "


Lesson: if the lease company doesn't agree to follow BVRLA guidelines, steer clear!
A nice car granted - but why would you ? The Leon FR is an excellent car with all the gizmos you would need - why pay the extra ,and the extra insurance for performance you could never use - legally ?
cactusbrandy11 m ago

Most VAG leases stipulate no track-day use. But worth checking.But, in …Most VAG leases stipulate no track-day use. But worth checking.But, in before "ugh lease cars ruined my life with charges on scratches etc...." Copy and post from the Tiguan thread re fair wear and tear for anyone worried:My previous lease had damage that was my fault - bike rack slipped down and rubbed paintwork off the bumper in two places. Chipsaway did a totally shoddy job of repairing it (note: I would have done the repair had it been a lease, new-purchase, or second-hand purchase).When the guy came to pick it up he didn't even notice it and was more concerned about the interior, than exterior. We chatted about the BVRLA guidance for allowed wear and tear - it's surprisingly generous - more so than what the garage or a private buyer would consider as "fair".http://www.bvrla.co.uk/service/fair-wear-and-tear-guideshttp://www.bvrla.co.uk/advice/guidance/returning-your-leased-vehiclehttp://www.drive-electric.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Fair_Wear_Tear.pdfI bet my left testicle that no franchised garage, indie or private buyer would be happy to overlook all of the below, when trading or selling a car to them."ChipsSmall areas of chipping, including door edge chipping are acceptable.If the areas of chipping require the entire panel, bumper or trim to berepaired or repainted, the damage is not acceptable.DentsDents (up to 10mm) are acceptable provided there are no more than two (2)per panel and the paint surface is not broken.Dents on the roof or swage line on any panels are not acceptable.ScratchesScratches and abrasions up to 25mm are acceptable, relative to thevehicle’s age and mileage, and provided the primer or bare metal is notshowing.Moulding, wheel arch trimsScuffs and scratches up to 25mm are acceptable provided the moulding ortrim is not broken, cracked or deformed.Windows/windscreensLight scratching is acceptable provided it does not interfere with thedriver’s line of sight and any heating elements still work properly.Chips, cracks or holes are not acceptable.Repaired chips within the driver’s line of sight are not acceptable.Repaired chips outside the driver’s line of sight are acceptable provided theyare repaired to a professional standard and the work is warrantied.Wheels and wheel trimsDents and holes on wheel rims and wheel trimsare not acceptable.Scuffs totalling up to 50mm on the totalcircumference of the wheel trim and on alloy wheels are acceptable.Any damage to the wheel spokes and the hub of the alloy wheel is notacceptable.The spare wheel (including ‘spacesaver’), jack and other tools must beintact, stowed properly and in good working order.The emergency tyre inflation canister, if supplied when new, should be infull working order, serviceable and ready for use. A canister that has beenpartially or fully discharged should be replaced. "Lesson: if the lease company doesn't agree to follow BVRLA guidelines, steer clear!



Also be aware that as resale prices drop the lease companies will be adding even more punitive "end of lease " charges re scratches etc .

PCPs are only for plonkers who think that having a "posh, flashy" car makes them look "cool" . In reality everyone knows you can't afford the car or the insurance and by the time you have your "cool" Phone also on contract and maxed out your credit cards you have no money for a social life to flaunt your flashy rentals . Then I suppose you become a "gamer " rarely seeing the outside world as you have no money left .
Original Poster
rogparki3 h, 32 m ago

Also be aware that as resale prices drop the lease companies will be …Also be aware that as resale prices drop the lease companies will be adding even more punitive "end of lease " charges re scratches etc . PCPs are only for plonkers who think that having a "posh, flashy" car makes them look "cool" . In reality everyone knows you can't afford the car or the insurance and by the time you have your "cool" Phone also on contract and maxed out your credit cards you have no money for a social life to flaunt your flashy rentals . Then I suppose you become a "gamer " rarely seeing the outside world as you have no money left .


You know this is a lease and has nothing to do with a PCP?
rogparki3 h, 41 m ago

A nice car granted - but why would you ? The Leon FR is an excellent car …A nice car granted - but why would you ? The Leon FR is an excellent car with all the gizmos you would need - why pay the extra ,and the extra insurance for performance you could never use - legally ?


Do you wear branded shoes?

Why is there always one Norris in every lease thread...
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 31st Aug 2017
The_Hoff6 m ago

You know this is a lease and has nothing to do with a PCP?Do you wear …You know this is a lease and has nothing to do with a PCP?Do you wear branded shoes?Whu is there always one Norris in every lease thread...



1 + 23 Lease - Tell me why this isn't PCP ? And it isn't compulsory to insult anyone who criticises your Non Deal - so why do it ?
The_Hoff48 m ago

Essentially a FWD Golf R.


Haha not even in the same ballpark as a golf R
rogparki14 m ago

1 + 23 Lease - Tell me why this isn't PCP ? And it isn't compulsory to …1 + 23 Lease - Tell me why this isn't PCP ? And it isn't compulsory to insult anyone who criticises your Non Deal - so why do it ?


Because a pcp is a Personal Contract PURCHASE.
Lease is completly different.

Did you just come in here to have a moan?
Edited by: "xoddsockthiefx" 31st Aug 2017
xoddsockthiefx6 m ago

Because a pcp is a Personal Contract PURCHASE.Lease is completly …Because a pcp is a Personal Contract PURCHASE.Lease is completly different.Did you just come in here to have a moan?



Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?
8k a year......I need that in 3 months. Lease are pointless for reps
Shaw8549 m ago

Haha not even in the same ballpark as a golf R

Theres a youtube video showing there pretty even round a circuit. Its only the 0-60mph traction and the all weather capability where the golf wins. The Leon is lighter than the Golf and only 10bhp short once on the move theres not much in it.
rogparki48 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?

It's not the same. The lease means that you never own the car. It's not in your name it's in the lease companies name. This is basically a way to create a second hand car market. In the old days car companies used to employ people to put mileage on their cars so they could sell them second hand (yes seriously!!)

PCP you own your car from day 1. It's your name on the logbook. Just the finance doesn't pay off the car after the 3 years and you have the walk away/new car/balloon options at the end.

When you hand them back the rules are the same - the dealer should follow the bvrla guide listed above.

I presume you watched the channel 4 show that was scaremongering? I've never heard of any issues from anyone leasing or getting a car on pcp from reputable places.
rogparki49 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?


Way I see it I set aside that £300 a month for a car. I enjoy having the new cars and latest technology along with the knowledge its all covered under warranty. I could either do this or I could save that £300 a month and hope my cheap used car doesn't require extensive maintenance and worry about every clunk or squirlookle noise the car makes.
Shaw8517 m ago

Golf wins every time other than price. Over a second quicker to 60. Maybe …Golf wins every time other than price. Over a second quicker to 60. Maybe on a rare sunny day in the UK a great driver in the Leon can stay with a shit driver in the golf.


Get far more for your money with the cupra and they are far more fun to drive.
rogparki1 h, 6 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?


No it's not the same. PCP require a hefty deposit up front for the carand no you can't buy a lease car at the end of the lease, i've tried and it's not legally allowed due to tax laws.

This is the best type of lease as it's 1+23 so no deposit it's just 24 equal monthly payments.
PCP deals (the details of) are useful for folks like me ,who buy a car for cash . That is to look at the "balloon payment " which tells you effectively what the "industry " computes the value of the car to be after 2 /3 /4 years . This allows a cash buyer to decide what is a good price for a "nearly new car " .

Leasing is only really an advantage for business users who gain tax advantages - Personal Lease ,Personal contract Purchase is not tax efficient - just a way finance companies have devised to allow folks who can't really afford a new car to have one - and obviously there are plenty of takers

Don't get me wrong ,in my youth I would have probably gone for one (Luckily they are a new thing not available in my youth ) and regretted it for years afterwards .

Youth is for doing things you will cherish for the rest of your life and for making mistakes you regret for the rest of your life , that's life . I don't think you will find experienced car buyers taking on PCP or leasing - but ,Hey, each to their own .
rogparki1 h, 12 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?


You're an idiot... No more to say..
rogparki1 h, 14 m ago

Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the …Its the same - PCP just has the "option " to purchase at the end of the Lease , as does the Lease I dare say . Wouldn't touch with a bargepole so can't speak from experience . You are renting depreciation either way -How's that a deal ?


They aren't the same. You are wise to keep away if you don't understand the difference.

A PCP is a flexible form of finance intended for the purchase of a vehicle. Your name will be on the V5 and it is also covered by the halves and thirds rule that allows you to voluntarily terminate the agreement once you've paid off a certain amount of the loan. You can also trade the car in for a newer one mid-term if you so wish.

A PCH is a fixed term contract to hire a vehicle, it is usually much cheaper than a PCP but its inflexibility means it can be very expensive to get out of if you change your mind or if your circumstances change.
Fantastic deal.
brettreading13 m ago

Get far more for your money with the cupra and they are far more fun to …Get far more for your money with the cupra and they are far more fun to drive.



Would agree - But ! - was looking to buy a new Leon last month - Cupras, amazing deals (loads of stock ) - the FR 16 week + waiting list . Of course the Cupras aren't selling so available to you and me (and the Leasing companies!) at knock down prices .
webrits9 m ago

You're an idiot... No more to say..



That's a really intelligent comment ,well supported by argument .....errr wait a minute , maybe not - enjoy your life and please continue making constructive comments
Edited by: "rogparki" 31st Aug 2017
brettreading17 m ago

Get far more for your money with the cupra and they are far more fun to …Get far more for your money with the cupra and they are far more fun to drive.


Yes Leon is cheaper but there is a reason for that. Which is more fun is a matter of opinion. By the way I drive neither but have tried both.
rogparki17 m ago

PCP deals (the details of) are useful for folks like me ,who buy a car for …PCP deals (the details of) are useful for folks like me ,who buy a car for cash . That is to look at the "balloon payment " which tells you effectively what the "industry " computes the value of the car to be after 2 /3 /4 years . This allows a cash buyer to decide what is a good price for a "nearly new car " . Leasing is only really an advantage for business users who gain tax advantages - Personal Lease ,Personal contract Purchase is not tax efficient - just a way finance companies have devised to allow folks who can't really afford a new car to have one - and obviously there are plenty of takers Don't get me wrong ,in my youth I would have probably gone for one (Luckily they are a new thing not available in my youth ) and regretted it for years afterwards . Youth is for doing things you will cherish for the rest of your life and for making mistakes you regret for the rest of your life , that's life . I don't think you will find experienced car buyers taking on PCP or leasing - but ,Hey, each to their own .


I’ve never had one but I’m pretty sure that balloon payment is remainder balance from agreed price of car less payments made. Nothing to do with the ‘computed’ value of the car after 2/3/4 years.

The the rest of your comments about phones on contract, being flashy, gamers and credit cards make you sound very sour.
Shaw8554 m ago

Yes Leon is cheaper but there is a reason for that. Which is more fun is a …Yes Leon is cheaper but there is a reason for that. Which is more fun is a matter of opinion. By the way I drive neither but have tried both.


I started with the golf. Now have the Leon. Loved the Golf but prefer the Leon. More spec for cheaper, the front wheel drive system is amazing at sorting out grip, and I don't see a cupra every 5 minutes which I did with the golf r.
TheCreepster4 m ago

For someone who seems to think a lot of themselves, you're not very clever …For someone who seems to think a lot of themselves, you're not very clever are you? People are giving very valid reasons to explain the differences between the two methods of having these cars to drive, and you're choosing not to listen. Also, you don't have to be abusive to members to get your point across, yet immediately go on to call the entire HUKD community sheep? Why don't you stick to posting in threads that you have some active interest in rather than trying to pass off your trolling as advice?



That was a really constructive comment - wasn't it ? Why bother ? Hope you feel better for it - Apology accepted ,don't think of it - I certainly shall not
Original Poster
Shaw8517 h, 8 m ago

Haha not even in the same ballpark as a golf R


The interior isn't VW/Audi quality, granted. But neither is the price, if you spec equivalent equipment on an S3/R you'll end up a lot higher than the OTR price suggests.
Shaw8516 h, 3 m ago

Golf wins every time other than price. Over a second quicker to 60. Maybe …Golf wins every time other than price. Over a second quicker to 60. Maybe on a rare sunny day in the UK a great driver in the Leon can stay with a shit driver in the golf.


You're wrong on the timing side of things tbh.

If you compare DSG-DSG and MAN-MAN there's half a second in it which is attributed to the LC and AWD systems on the R. Even DSG-MAN it's not a second, unless you're suggesting the R will do a 0-60 in under 4.7 seconds...

vwroc.com/for…ol/

Around a track and on the roll the Cupra rips the R a new one, the Golf R is *wait for it* 200KG heavier than the Cupra built on the same platform, directly attributable to the AWD system and drive train.

There's a video on YouTube I can get for you which demonstrates it. Cupra wins barring traffic lights. 7HP doesn't carry 200KG well.
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 1st Sep 2017
Nice deal for a 300BHP car. Obviously similar in performance as well as pricing to the recent Golf R deals. Voted hot!

Just a shame that some people don't understand the difference between a PCH and PCP!
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webrits1 h, 13 m ago

No point in me repeating what others have said but if you insist... You …No point in me repeating what others have said but if you insist... You don't know what you're talking about.. IT IS NOT PCP.. Have fun...


Nail. Head.

Even within the same comment he's confusing terminology and contradicting himself.


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I've reported most of his comments and asked for a MOD to clean the thread up. Hopefully we end up with a clean discussion for those actually interested in the deal or those that understand the deal at least.
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 1st Sep 2017
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