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New Peugeot 208 Tech Edition 1.5 HDi Diesel 5dr £13,795 @ sgpetch
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Common.Sense

Everyone has their own view. I say manual is 0% fun. I passed on a manual and never driven one since. I do not see the point when an automatic gearbox does the "manual" job for you. I find it "backward and cheapskate" Manual -> auto -> self driving (chauffer), it's called progression. I bet some people get fun out of using a foot pump to inflate tyres instead of an electric pump! Myth 1. Manual cars always get better fuel economy than cars with automatic gearboxes. Myth 2 Manual cars are faster than an automatic In most cases, an automatic car will be quicker than a manual transmission car equivalent, which takes time to shift gears. And the fact is, an automatic and especially an automated manual can shift gears much quicker than a human driver. USA: Oct 2019: https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html The stick shift hasn't yet gone the way of the T. rex or saber-toothed cat, but it's definitely an endangered species. As of October 2019, just 1.2% of new cars sold for the year had manual transmissions. They are all wrong! UK is so backward

lukebrown28

I mean I take your point about it being easier because it 1,000% is, but there's definitely no comparison when it comes to having fun. Manual is still the way to go. There's just more driver involvement, and you have a higher level of control as well. Also having fun doesn't mean taking a corner at 60 to feel the tyres grab and hug the apex all the way through - I'm very fortunate with the A45 but there's nothing stopping you having a bit of fun in a Focus for example.

Common.Sense

What will you do when petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold? Most people just want to go from A to B. Driving is a chore. A clutch gives many people knee ache. Do you still have to worry about biting points? Automatics makes life easier. It costs more, but "you are worth it!" There are better ways of having fun than driving a car in traffic. It's sad, if this is a mark of fun. How do you drink and drive when you have to change gears or do manual cars not have drink holders for the driver! XD

lukebrown28

I went from a manual 4 series to an auto AMG A45 and can honestly say that both are fun in their own way. The beamer being rear wheel drive wanted to kill me every time I turned a corner, and the A45 is blisteringly quick and very grippy. That said the absolute worst thing about the A45 is the auto gearbox. Sure you feel great using the paddles to shift up and down for a while, but you're forever fighting with the gearbox. For example as I come up to a roundabout in 5th, I'll drop to 3rd to put it round quick but invariably the gearbox drops a gear as I brake at the same time so I wind up in 2nd. Other times I might be in 3rd or even 4th coming off and want to put my foot down. I can keep my foot flat to the floor and it takes several seconds to work out I'm trying to rag it a bit. I can tell you there's absolutely no fun whatsoever in having no faith, confidence, or clarity about what gear I'm going to be graced with next. It's also outright dangerous to have to keep taking my eyes off the road to make sure it's got the right gear. Sure there's a manual mode. The car ignores it. Just one example - I'm sure others have had better experiences - but I'll absolutely be going back to manual next time if I stick to a quick car. That said, when I'm just getting from A to B and not trying to enjoy the drive by putting the toe down a bit, I will admit that auto is miles easier, but then in those cases I can't wait for fully auto driving in general!

Phlop0

Stupid comment alert.

jrw

Yes of course I do hence I put "Servicing". As in the Tesla version of a service. This is his car getting the correction detail they also paid for due to their "authorised repair centre" screwing up the paint when they replaced an ill fitting rear quarter glass - https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OPP1nnHmB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Why "of course" they are being made in China? I didn't know there was even a Chinese factory until the salesman said. Also, He categorically said that all new Model 3's will be made in China so I am not sure where you are getting your info from? Maybe the Tesla salesman is making the whole thing up.....after all I guess telling all the customers they are made in China must be a right money spinner for them. Not sure why I or the salesman would make that up? (lol) Also there is a bit more to go wrong assembling a car on a production line than there is assembling a couple of bits of PCB into a phone case which is mostly automated.

wakeywarrior

Of course you have a mate who got 4 years servicing- there is no servicing. Of course all new Model 3 s are made in China. China has only just started making a few vehicles, and will be busy supplying the Chinese demand- not the UK. USA is supplying the UK until Germany is open. You are making the whole lot up my friend. And if they do make more eventually for the UK etc in China, unlikely, it makes no difference. China makes excellent quality goods- ask Apple.

JonF992

Wrong views? These are not my views. They are a statement of easily verifiable fact from independent sources.

jrw

Mate has a Model-X. Tesla have had it more than he has, terrible reliability and build. He's got 4 years free 'servicing' and auto pilot so far out of them as compensation. Model-3's from this year are now being built in China so expect the reliability and build quality to fall even further lower than the Cali factory. I went to look at a Model 3 over xmas and was vaguely interested until the salesmen said that all new 3's being built would be Chinese.

wakeywarrior

Most unreliable? One of the most reliable according to the latest What Car. https://ww.electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-ranked-among-most-reliable-brands-in-uk-survey/# Record sales last quarter, and a market cap now worth nearly as much as GM and Ford combined. Built a Gigafactory in China and producing cars within a year. Germany to to follow. Cannot meet UK demand without months of wait. You need to get in the new decade, and move away from your wrong views.

Jordan_Taylor

You do understand he was asking a question? And you answered with something irrelevant? You do understand he may want to know if the tourqe is low down in rev range? He may want to tow something.

89quidyoucantgowrong

And so you use your gearstick to put your engine revs into the peak band of the torque curve when you need to use it. Most people are just pootling around most of the time and don't need to use their engine's peak power output anyway. These new small petrol engines are surprisingly tractable. I test drove a vehicle recently with similarly spec'd petrol and diesel engines for torque and power. I was expecting the diesel to win hands down, but ended up ordering the petrol variant. The downside is fuel efficiency.

emJayO

Now sold out, unfortunately.

prq

Might even be manufactured in the same factory. AFAIK, the Skoda Karoq and the Seat Ateca are the "same" car, both manufactured in the Czech Republic factory

benmorgan3344913

You do realise that an engine produces different peak torque and hp values at different rpms. It was a simple question

Zuulan

Not sure you can lease an MX-5 as cheaply as this though.

ollie87

Easier to drive too. The Fiat is all mid-range power, nothing low down, nothing high up. Which is awful for a sports car.

teh.arn

Was looking to get the Mrs 595 upgraded soon and was tempted by this. Shame the mileage is so low.

fishmaster

Thank you but there will be no fiddling with my gear knob whilst we go on a test drive.

The_Hoff

Time is money, you'll get 2 more appointments in per day plus room enough for all your peroxide and scissors in the spacious boot.

New Seat Tarraco 7 seater 1.5tsi evo SE technology now £21,495 @ SG PETCH
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Common.Sense

Everyone has their own view. I say manual is 0% fun. I passed on a manual and never driven one since. I do not see the point when an automatic gearbox does the "manual" job for you. I find it "backward and cheapskate" Manual -> auto -> self driving (chauffer), it's called progression. I bet some people get fun out of using a foot pump to inflate tyres instead of an electric pump! Myth 1. Manual cars always get better fuel economy than cars with automatic gearboxes. Myth 2 Manual cars are faster than an automatic In most cases, an automatic car will be quicker than a manual transmission car equivalent, which takes time to shift gears. And the fact is, an automatic and especially an automated manual can shift gears much quicker than a human driver. USA: Oct 2019: https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html The stick shift hasn't yet gone the way of the T. rex or saber-toothed cat, but it's definitely an endangered species. As of October 2019, just 1.2% of new cars sold for the year had manual transmissions. They are all wrong! UK is so backward

lukebrown28

I mean I take your point about it being easier because it 1,000% is, but there's definitely no comparison when it comes to having fun. Manual is still the way to go. There's just more driver involvement, and you have a higher level of control as well. Also having fun doesn't mean taking a corner at 60 to feel the tyres grab and hug the apex all the way through - I'm very fortunate with the A45 but there's nothing stopping you having a bit of fun in a Focus for example.

Common.Sense

What will you do when petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold? Most people just want to go from A to B. Driving is a chore. A clutch gives many people knee ache. Do you still have to worry about biting points? Automatics makes life easier. It costs more, but "you are worth it!" There are better ways of having fun than driving a car in traffic. It's sad, if this is a mark of fun. How do you drink and drive when you have to change gears or do manual cars not have drink holders for the driver! XD

lukebrown28

I went from a manual 4 series to an auto AMG A45 and can honestly say that both are fun in their own way. The beamer being rear wheel drive wanted to kill me every time I turned a corner, and the A45 is blisteringly quick and very grippy. That said the absolute worst thing about the A45 is the auto gearbox. Sure you feel great using the paddles to shift up and down for a while, but you're forever fighting with the gearbox. For example as I come up to a roundabout in 5th, I'll drop to 3rd to put it round quick but invariably the gearbox drops a gear as I brake at the same time so I wind up in 2nd. Other times I might be in 3rd or even 4th coming off and want to put my foot down. I can keep my foot flat to the floor and it takes several seconds to work out I'm trying to rag it a bit. I can tell you there's absolutely no fun whatsoever in having no faith, confidence, or clarity about what gear I'm going to be graced with next. It's also outright dangerous to have to keep taking my eyes off the road to make sure it's got the right gear. Sure there's a manual mode. The car ignores it. Just one example - I'm sure others have had better experiences - but I'll absolutely be going back to manual next time if I stick to a quick car. That said, when I'm just getting from A to B and not trying to enjoy the drive by putting the toe down a bit, I will admit that auto is miles easier, but then in those cases I can't wait for fully auto driving in general!

Phlop0

Stupid comment alert.

jrw

Yes of course I do hence I put "Servicing". As in the Tesla version of a service. This is his car getting the correction detail they also paid for due to their "authorised repair centre" screwing up the paint when they replaced an ill fitting rear quarter glass - https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OPP1nnHmB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Why "of course" they are being made in China? I didn't know there was even a Chinese factory until the salesman said. Also, He categorically said that all new Model 3's will be made in China so I am not sure where you are getting your info from? Maybe the Tesla salesman is making the whole thing up.....after all I guess telling all the customers they are made in China must be a right money spinner for them. Not sure why I or the salesman would make that up? (lol) Also there is a bit more to go wrong assembling a car on a production line than there is assembling a couple of bits of PCB into a phone case which is mostly automated.

wakeywarrior

Of course you have a mate who got 4 years servicing- there is no servicing. Of course all new Model 3 s are made in China. China has only just started making a few vehicles, and will be busy supplying the Chinese demand- not the UK. USA is supplying the UK until Germany is open. You are making the whole lot up my friend. And if they do make more eventually for the UK etc in China, unlikely, it makes no difference. China makes excellent quality goods- ask Apple.

JonF992

Wrong views? These are not my views. They are a statement of easily verifiable fact from independent sources.

jrw

Mate has a Model-X. Tesla have had it more than he has, terrible reliability and build. He's got 4 years free 'servicing' and auto pilot so far out of them as compensation. Model-3's from this year are now being built in China so expect the reliability and build quality to fall even further lower than the Cali factory. I went to look at a Model 3 over xmas and was vaguely interested until the salesmen said that all new 3's being built would be Chinese.

wakeywarrior

Most unreliable? One of the most reliable according to the latest What Car. https://ww.electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-ranked-among-most-reliable-brands-in-uk-survey/# Record sales last quarter, and a market cap now worth nearly as much as GM and Ford combined. Built a Gigafactory in China and producing cars within a year. Germany to to follow. Cannot meet UK demand without months of wait. You need to get in the new decade, and move away from your wrong views.

Jordan_Taylor

You do understand he was asking a question? And you answered with something irrelevant? You do understand he may want to know if the tourqe is low down in rev range? He may want to tow something.

89quidyoucantgowrong

And so you use your gearstick to put your engine revs into the peak band of the torque curve when you need to use it. Most people are just pootling around most of the time and don't need to use their engine's peak power output anyway. These new small petrol engines are surprisingly tractable. I test drove a vehicle recently with similarly spec'd petrol and diesel engines for torque and power. I was expecting the diesel to win hands down, but ended up ordering the petrol variant. The downside is fuel efficiency.

emJayO

Now sold out, unfortunately.

prq

Might even be manufactured in the same factory. AFAIK, the Skoda Karoq and the Seat Ateca are the "same" car, both manufactured in the Czech Republic factory

benmorgan3344913

You do realise that an engine produces different peak torque and hp values at different rpms. It was a simple question

Zuulan

Not sure you can lease an MX-5 as cheaply as this though.

ollie87

Easier to drive too. The Fiat is all mid-range power, nothing low down, nothing high up. Which is awful for a sports car.

teh.arn

Was looking to get the Mrs 595 upgraded soon and was tempted by this. Shame the mileage is so low.

fishmaster

Thank you but there will be no fiddling with my gear knob whilst we go on a test drive.

The_Hoff

Time is money, you'll get 2 more appointments in per day plus room enough for all your peroxide and scissors in the spacious boot.

New SEAT Tarraco 1.5 TSI EVO 150bhp SE Technology 5dr Petrol 7 seater now £21,495 @ SG Petch
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Common.Sense

Everyone has their own view. I say manual is 0% fun. I passed on a manual and never driven one since. I do not see the point when an automatic gearbox does the "manual" job for you. I find it "backward and cheapskate" Manual -> auto -> self driving (chauffer), it's called progression. I bet some people get fun out of using a foot pump to inflate tyres instead of an electric pump! Myth 1. Manual cars always get better fuel economy than cars with automatic gearboxes. Myth 2 Manual cars are faster than an automatic In most cases, an automatic car will be quicker than a manual transmission car equivalent, which takes time to shift gears. And the fact is, an automatic and especially an automated manual can shift gears much quicker than a human driver. USA: Oct 2019: https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html The stick shift hasn't yet gone the way of the T. rex or saber-toothed cat, but it's definitely an endangered species. As of October 2019, just 1.2% of new cars sold for the year had manual transmissions. They are all wrong! UK is so backward

lukebrown28

I mean I take your point about it being easier because it 1,000% is, but there's definitely no comparison when it comes to having fun. Manual is still the way to go. There's just more driver involvement, and you have a higher level of control as well. Also having fun doesn't mean taking a corner at 60 to feel the tyres grab and hug the apex all the way through - I'm very fortunate with the A45 but there's nothing stopping you having a bit of fun in a Focus for example.

Common.Sense

What will you do when petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold? Most people just want to go from A to B. Driving is a chore. A clutch gives many people knee ache. Do you still have to worry about biting points? Automatics makes life easier. It costs more, but "you are worth it!" There are better ways of having fun than driving a car in traffic. It's sad, if this is a mark of fun. How do you drink and drive when you have to change gears or do manual cars not have drink holders for the driver! XD

lukebrown28

I went from a manual 4 series to an auto AMG A45 and can honestly say that both are fun in their own way. The beamer being rear wheel drive wanted to kill me every time I turned a corner, and the A45 is blisteringly quick and very grippy. That said the absolute worst thing about the A45 is the auto gearbox. Sure you feel great using the paddles to shift up and down for a while, but you're forever fighting with the gearbox. For example as I come up to a roundabout in 5th, I'll drop to 3rd to put it round quick but invariably the gearbox drops a gear as I brake at the same time so I wind up in 2nd. Other times I might be in 3rd or even 4th coming off and want to put my foot down. I can keep my foot flat to the floor and it takes several seconds to work out I'm trying to rag it a bit. I can tell you there's absolutely no fun whatsoever in having no faith, confidence, or clarity about what gear I'm going to be graced with next. It's also outright dangerous to have to keep taking my eyes off the road to make sure it's got the right gear. Sure there's a manual mode. The car ignores it. Just one example - I'm sure others have had better experiences - but I'll absolutely be going back to manual next time if I stick to a quick car. That said, when I'm just getting from A to B and not trying to enjoy the drive by putting the toe down a bit, I will admit that auto is miles easier, but then in those cases I can't wait for fully auto driving in general!

Phlop0

Stupid comment alert.

jrw

Yes of course I do hence I put "Servicing". As in the Tesla version of a service. This is his car getting the correction detail they also paid for due to their "authorised repair centre" screwing up the paint when they replaced an ill fitting rear quarter glass - https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OPP1nnHmB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Why "of course" they are being made in China? I didn't know there was even a Chinese factory until the salesman said. Also, He categorically said that all new Model 3's will be made in China so I am not sure where you are getting your info from? Maybe the Tesla salesman is making the whole thing up.....after all I guess telling all the customers they are made in China must be a right money spinner for them. Not sure why I or the salesman would make that up? (lol) Also there is a bit more to go wrong assembling a car on a production line than there is assembling a couple of bits of PCB into a phone case which is mostly automated.

wakeywarrior

Of course you have a mate who got 4 years servicing- there is no servicing. Of course all new Model 3 s are made in China. China has only just started making a few vehicles, and will be busy supplying the Chinese demand- not the UK. USA is supplying the UK until Germany is open. You are making the whole lot up my friend. And if they do make more eventually for the UK etc in China, unlikely, it makes no difference. China makes excellent quality goods- ask Apple.

JonF992

Wrong views? These are not my views. They are a statement of easily verifiable fact from independent sources.

jrw

Mate has a Model-X. Tesla have had it more than he has, terrible reliability and build. He's got 4 years free 'servicing' and auto pilot so far out of them as compensation. Model-3's from this year are now being built in China so expect the reliability and build quality to fall even further lower than the Cali factory. I went to look at a Model 3 over xmas and was vaguely interested until the salesmen said that all new 3's being built would be Chinese.

wakeywarrior

Most unreliable? One of the most reliable according to the latest What Car. https://ww.electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-ranked-among-most-reliable-brands-in-uk-survey/# Record sales last quarter, and a market cap now worth nearly as much as GM and Ford combined. Built a Gigafactory in China and producing cars within a year. Germany to to follow. Cannot meet UK demand without months of wait. You need to get in the new decade, and move away from your wrong views.

Jordan_Taylor

You do understand he was asking a question? And you answered with something irrelevant? You do understand he may want to know if the tourqe is low down in rev range? He may want to tow something.

89quidyoucantgowrong

And so you use your gearstick to put your engine revs into the peak band of the torque curve when you need to use it. Most people are just pootling around most of the time and don't need to use their engine's peak power output anyway. These new small petrol engines are surprisingly tractable. I test drove a vehicle recently with similarly spec'd petrol and diesel engines for torque and power. I was expecting the diesel to win hands down, but ended up ordering the petrol variant. The downside is fuel efficiency.

emJayO

Now sold out, unfortunately.

prq

Might even be manufactured in the same factory. AFAIK, the Skoda Karoq and the Seat Ateca are the "same" car, both manufactured in the Czech Republic factory

benmorgan3344913

You do realise that an engine produces different peak torque and hp values at different rpms. It was a simple question

Zuulan

Not sure you can lease an MX-5 as cheaply as this though.

ollie87

Easier to drive too. The Fiat is all mid-range power, nothing low down, nothing high up. Which is awful for a sports car.

teh.arn

Was looking to get the Mrs 595 upgraded soon and was tempted by this. Shame the mileage is so low.

fishmaster

Thank you but there will be no fiddling with my gear knob whilst we go on a test drive.

The_Hoff

Time is money, you'll get 2 more appointments in per day plus room enough for all your peroxide and scissors in the spacious boot.

Abarth 124 1.4 T Spider Scorpione 2-year (6000 miles pa) - [inc VAT] 24 months £199 p/m initial payment £1393 - Total £5970 @ Sgpetch
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Common.Sense

Everyone has their own view. I say manual is 0% fun. I passed on a manual and never driven one since. I do not see the point when an automatic gearbox does the "manual" job for you. I find it "backward and cheapskate" Manual -> auto -> self driving (chauffer), it's called progression. I bet some people get fun out of using a foot pump to inflate tyres instead of an electric pump! Myth 1. Manual cars always get better fuel economy than cars with automatic gearboxes. Myth 2 Manual cars are faster than an automatic In most cases, an automatic car will be quicker than a manual transmission car equivalent, which takes time to shift gears. And the fact is, an automatic and especially an automated manual can shift gears much quicker than a human driver. USA: Oct 2019: https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html The stick shift hasn't yet gone the way of the T. rex or saber-toothed cat, but it's definitely an endangered species. As of October 2019, just 1.2% of new cars sold for the year had manual transmissions. They are all wrong! UK is so backward

lukebrown28

I mean I take your point about it being easier because it 1,000% is, but there's definitely no comparison when it comes to having fun. Manual is still the way to go. There's just more driver involvement, and you have a higher level of control as well. Also having fun doesn't mean taking a corner at 60 to feel the tyres grab and hug the apex all the way through - I'm very fortunate with the A45 but there's nothing stopping you having a bit of fun in a Focus for example.

Common.Sense

What will you do when petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold? Most people just want to go from A to B. Driving is a chore. A clutch gives many people knee ache. Do you still have to worry about biting points? Automatics makes life easier. It costs more, but "you are worth it!" There are better ways of having fun than driving a car in traffic. It's sad, if this is a mark of fun. How do you drink and drive when you have to change gears or do manual cars not have drink holders for the driver! XD

lukebrown28

I went from a manual 4 series to an auto AMG A45 and can honestly say that both are fun in their own way. The beamer being rear wheel drive wanted to kill me every time I turned a corner, and the A45 is blisteringly quick and very grippy. That said the absolute worst thing about the A45 is the auto gearbox. Sure you feel great using the paddles to shift up and down for a while, but you're forever fighting with the gearbox. For example as I come up to a roundabout in 5th, I'll drop to 3rd to put it round quick but invariably the gearbox drops a gear as I brake at the same time so I wind up in 2nd. Other times I might be in 3rd or even 4th coming off and want to put my foot down. I can keep my foot flat to the floor and it takes several seconds to work out I'm trying to rag it a bit. I can tell you there's absolutely no fun whatsoever in having no faith, confidence, or clarity about what gear I'm going to be graced with next. It's also outright dangerous to have to keep taking my eyes off the road to make sure it's got the right gear. Sure there's a manual mode. The car ignores it. Just one example - I'm sure others have had better experiences - but I'll absolutely be going back to manual next time if I stick to a quick car. That said, when I'm just getting from A to B and not trying to enjoy the drive by putting the toe down a bit, I will admit that auto is miles easier, but then in those cases I can't wait for fully auto driving in general!

Phlop0

Stupid comment alert.

jrw

Yes of course I do hence I put "Servicing". As in the Tesla version of a service. This is his car getting the correction detail they also paid for due to their "authorised repair centre" screwing up the paint when they replaced an ill fitting rear quarter glass - https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OPP1nnHmB/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Why "of course" they are being made in China? I didn't know there was even a Chinese factory until the salesman said. Also, He categorically said that all new Model 3's will be made in China so I am not sure where you are getting your info from? Maybe the Tesla salesman is making the whole thing up.....after all I guess telling all the customers they are made in China must be a right money spinner for them. Not sure why I or the salesman would make that up? (lol) Also there is a bit more to go wrong assembling a car on a production line than there is assembling a couple of bits of PCB into a phone case which is mostly automated.

wakeywarrior

Of course you have a mate who got 4 years servicing- there is no servicing. Of course all new Model 3 s are made in China. China has only just started making a few vehicles, and will be busy supplying the Chinese demand- not the UK. USA is supplying the UK until Germany is open. You are making the whole lot up my friend. And if they do make more eventually for the UK etc in China, unlikely, it makes no difference. China makes excellent quality goods- ask Apple.

JonF992

Wrong views? These are not my views. They are a statement of easily verifiable fact from independent sources.

jrw

Mate has a Model-X. Tesla have had it more than he has, terrible reliability and build. He's got 4 years free 'servicing' and auto pilot so far out of them as compensation. Model-3's from this year are now being built in China so expect the reliability and build quality to fall even further lower than the Cali factory. I went to look at a Model 3 over xmas and was vaguely interested until the salesmen said that all new 3's being built would be Chinese.

wakeywarrior

Most unreliable? One of the most reliable according to the latest What Car. https://ww.electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-ranked-among-most-reliable-brands-in-uk-survey/# Record sales last quarter, and a market cap now worth nearly as much as GM and Ford combined. Built a Gigafactory in China and producing cars within a year. Germany to to follow. Cannot meet UK demand without months of wait. You need to get in the new decade, and move away from your wrong views.

Jordan_Taylor

You do understand he was asking a question? And you answered with something irrelevant? You do understand he may want to know if the tourqe is low down in rev range? He may want to tow something.

89quidyoucantgowrong

And so you use your gearstick to put your engine revs into the peak band of the torque curve when you need to use it. Most people are just pootling around most of the time and don't need to use their engine's peak power output anyway. These new small petrol engines are surprisingly tractable. I test drove a vehicle recently with similarly spec'd petrol and diesel engines for torque and power. I was expecting the diesel to win hands down, but ended up ordering the petrol variant. The downside is fuel efficiency.

emJayO

Now sold out, unfortunately.

prq

Might even be manufactured in the same factory. AFAIK, the Skoda Karoq and the Seat Ateca are the "same" car, both manufactured in the Czech Republic factory

benmorgan3344913

You do realise that an engine produces different peak torque and hp values at different rpms. It was a simple question

Zuulan

Not sure you can lease an MX-5 as cheaply as this though.

ollie87

Easier to drive too. The Fiat is all mid-range power, nothing low down, nothing high up. Which is awful for a sports car.

teh.arn

Was looking to get the Mrs 595 upgraded soon and was tempted by this. Shame the mileage is so low.

fishmaster

Thank you but there will be no fiddling with my gear knob whilst we go on a test drive.

The_Hoff

Time is money, you'll get 2 more appointments in per day plus room enough for all your peroxide and scissors in the spacious boot.

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