Siemens WM14Q478GB Freestanding Washing Machine, 8kg Load, A+++ Energy Rating, 1400rpm Spin, White £429 @ JohnLewis + 2 years Guarantee included + 3 years Extra Guarantee via redemption
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Siemens WM14Q478GB Freestanding Washing Machine, 8kg Load, A+++ Energy Rating, 1400rpm Spin, White £429 @ JohnLewis + 2 years Guarantee included + 3 years Extra Guarantee via redemption

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Siemens WM14Q478GB Freestanding Washing Machine, 8kg Load, A+++ Energy Rating, 1400rpm Spin, White @JohnLewis + 2 years Guarantee included + 3 years Extra Guarantee via redemption


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Product description
Product code: 88931605

Rated A+++ for energy

With Siemens’ WM14Q478GB A+++ energy efficient washing machine you’ll always be able to find the right setting for your clothes. From sportswear through to delicates and silk, there’s a setting for most fabrics. You can even select the rapid 15 minute wash if you’re in a rush.

Rapid 15
If you’re in a rush you can select the ‘rapid 15’ option and your clothes will be clean and fresh in just 15 minutes!

Reload
The reload feature is perfect for those times when you’ve misplaced a sock on the way to the washing machine or someone has just brought down that extra shirt for washing.

speedPerfect
By selecting speedPerfect along with your chosen wash setting, the wash time will be reduced automatically by up to 60%. You’ll save time and still have amazingly clean and fresh laundry.

Special Programmes:

Sportswear
Rapid 15 minute quick wash
Textile guard re-proofing programme
Aquatronic wash system
Reload facility
Multiple water protection

Features:

ecoPerfect - reduces your energy use by up to 30%
speedPerfect
Wash time (6kg at 60°C) – 240min
Delicate wash
Less ironing option
Digital display
Flood protection
Hand wash
Quick wash
Sequence indicator
Time remaining indicator
Time delay – up to 24 hours
Variable temperature control
Wool programme


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Posted in wrong section. This is freebies, presumably should be deals.
Anyone know if this is direct drive? Or is it new technology? I've looked on the Siemens website and its not clear. It's says it has an IQ drive motor.......even with the help of YouTube I have no idea what this means!
Original Poster
tosh4213th Apr

Posted in wrong section. This is freebies, presumably should be deals.


Thanks for letting me know... I’ve changed it
pandapops1 h, 48 m ago

Anyone know if this is direct drive? Or is it new technology? I've looked …Anyone know if this is direct drive? Or is it new technology? I've looked on the Siemens website and its not clear. It's says it has an IQ drive motor.......even with the help of YouTube I have no idea what this means!


It uses a brushless motor.
banjax12 m ago

It uses a brushless motor.



Thanks, I read that on the Siemens website but I have no idea what it means! I was advised to go with a direct drive but I can't figure if this is the same thing/better/worse.....
Edited by: "pandapops" 13th Apr
pandapops3 h, 41 m ago

Thanks, I read that on the Siemens website but I have no idea what it …Thanks, I read that on the Siemens website but I have no idea what it means! I was advised to go with a direct drive but I can't figure if this is the same thing/better/worse.....


Go for an LG if you want direct drive
pandapops4 h, 43 m ago

Thanks, I read that on the Siemens website but I have no idea what it …Thanks, I read that on the Siemens website but I have no idea what it means! I was advised to go with a direct drive but I can't figure if this is the same thing/better/worse.....


You don't need direct drive, never had a washing machine belt problem. But I have had brushes wear out so a brushless motor is a good thing.
colin1008613th Apr

You don't need direct drive, never had a washing machine belt problem. But …You don't need direct drive, never had a washing machine belt problem. But I have had brushes wear out so a brushless motor is a good thing.

Worn belts quite often cause kitchen fires.
bollybobinson22nd Apr

Worn belts quite often cause kitchen fires.


like most electrical items this is predominately a problem if left unattended like tumble dryers left on while occupants are away out similarly washing machine flooding.
bollybobinson22nd Apr

Worn belts quite often cause kitchen fires.


"Quite often"?
colin1008613th Apr

You don't need direct drive, never had a washing machine belt problem. But …You don't need direct drive, never had a washing machine belt problem. But I have had brushes wear out so a brushless motor is a good thing.



Brushes wear out, but also brushed motors are noisy and less efficient than brushless motors. Any half-decent washing machine should have a brushless motor nowadays.
Edited by: "pibpob" 29th Apr
Voted hot. Have had a previous incarnation of this machine for just over 4 years and it hasn't missed a beat so far. (looks quickly for wood) Very happy with it
I’m so glad it’s free standing. I hate having to hold a washing machine up.
bollybobinson22nd Apr

Worn belts quite often cause kitchen fires.


By quite often you mean rarely but if a fire does start from one, the belt may be a cause.
No deal
We too had a previous incarnation of this machine, with fewer features, and it's worked brilliantly for 10 years, apart from needing a new heater which cost £30 and was easily replaced by yours truly.
dave77 m ago

We too had a previous incarnation of this machine, with fewer features, …We too had a previous incarnation of this machine, with fewer features, and it's worked brilliantly for 10 years, apart from needing a new heater which cost £30 and was easily replaced by yours truly.


I had over 12 years of heavy use out of my Siemens machine, with zero repairs and wish I still had it, the Miele I replaced it with is good but VERY quirky and setting it off is like typing a novel it requires so many button presses!
I've no experience of this washing machine, but it's worth noting that John Lewis isn't the reputable company it used to be: Trust Pilot reviews.
What are John Lewis like with their 5 year warranty, are they happy to accept returns within the 5 year warranty?

I ask because we’re fitting out a new kitchen and was thinking of buying all the appliances from John Lewis, all with 5 year warranty.

Is this going to be a bad idea? If so, who are the best alternatives?
ScoobyDoobyDoo1 h, 0 m ago

What are John Lewis like with their 5 year warranty, are they happy to …What are John Lewis like with their 5 year warranty, are they happy to accept returns within the 5 year warranty? I ask because we’re fitting out a new kitchen and was thinking of buying all the appliances from John Lewis, all with 5 year warranty. Is this going to be a bad idea? If so, who are the best alternatives?


I still use them as my first choice retailer for TV and white goods, but as previously posted, they are nothing like they used to be, and you will have to fight your corner with them if you have problems, but seeing the other options are even worse, (Curry's - God help you!) there arent any better options :-(
ScoobyDoobyDoo6 h, 6 m ago

What are John Lewis like with their 5 year warranty, are they happy to …What are John Lewis like with their 5 year warranty, are they happy to accept returns within the 5 year warranty? I ask because we’re fitting out a new kitchen and was thinking of buying all the appliances from John Lewis, all with 5 year warranty. Is this going to be a bad idea? If so, who are the best alternatives?


They are excellent, my dryer died after 4 years, no hassle they sent me a new one and collected the old one without charge.
pandapops13th Apr

Anyone know if this is direct drive? Or is it new technology? I've looked …Anyone know if this is direct drive? Or is it new technology? I've looked on the Siemens website and its not clear. It's says it has an IQ drive motor.......even with the help of YouTube I have no idea what this means!


Whats the direct drive. No belts just a cog/gear.
Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee.

Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.

5 years for certain samsung models from £380.
they do fridges etc as well

appliancesdirect.co.uk/st/…r=1
Edited by: "JMac_D" 30th Apr
JMac_D10 m ago

Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to …Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.


"Bad design" vs "cost-saving measure": how many consumers would stump up more for the promise of a splittable drum?
JMac_D14 m ago

Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to …Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.


It isnt a cost saving measure though. If you think it is explain your thoughts.

They should let customers know that the drum isnt servicable then we would find out. There are still some manufacturers who dont seal all their drums i believe.
JMac_D14 m ago

Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to …Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.

JMac_D19 m ago

It isnt a cost saving measure though. If you think it is explain your …It isnt a cost saving measure though. If you think it is explain your thoughts. They should let customers know that the drum isnt servicable then we would find out. There are still some manufacturers who dont seal all their drums i believe.


"In order to cut costs, we have to assume, Electrolux largely no longer uses the recyclable Carboran tubs instead moving to cheap plastic welded tanks. How recyclable they are however is open to debate for any make as they use glass polypropolene that recyclers do not want as there is little to no value in it.

Using a sealed drum unit also saves on the metal and weight of the metal screws to hold the tub halves together and, therefore, saves the manufacturer money on their WEEE responsibility.

Yes, that is correct, the cheaper and lighter that you make a washing machine (or any other appliance) the less you have to pay for WEEE. Crazy isn't it, the manufacturer that produces good quality, heavy, machines pays more as do the people that buy them! In effect both the manufacturer and the customer are penilised for doing the right thing."

ukwhitegoods.co.uk/hel…are

And why should they bother letting us know? Customers don't understand. They just want the cheapest washing machine. Just like they think that a vacuum cleaner that consumes more power must be better, leading to the deliberate design of inefficient vacuum cleaners, until the EC had to rescue us from our own stupidity (giving a gift to the Daily Heil at the same time).
Edited by: "pibpob" 30th Apr
pibpob30 m ago

"In order to cut costs, we have to assume, Electrolux largely no longer …"In order to cut costs, we have to assume, Electrolux largely no longer uses the recyclable Carboran tubs instead moving to cheap plastic welded tanks. How recyclable they are however is open to debate for any make as they use glass polypropolene that recyclers do not want as there is little to no value in it. Using a sealed drum unit also saves on the metal and weight of the metal screws to hold the tub halves together and, therefore, saves the manufacturer money on their WEEE responsibility. Yes, that is correct, the cheaper and lighter that you make a washing machine (or any other appliance) the less you have to pay for WEEE. Crazy isn't it, the manufacturer that produces good quality, heavy, machines pays more as do the people that buy them! In effect both the manufacturer and the customer are penilised for doing the right thing."http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/2974-washing-machine-washing-machine-sealed-tubs-a-why-you-should-careAnd why should they bother letting us know? Customers don't understand. They just want the cheapest washing machine. Just like they think that a vacuum cleaner that consumes more power must be better, leading to the deliberate design of inefficient vacuum cleaners, until the EC had to rescue us from our own stupidity (and giving a gift to the Daily Hail at the same time).


They could glue the tub togethe with a silicone glue etc Which could be sliced open with a stanley knife. Wouldnt add much weight and they could sell it on that point.

Maybe most people don't care but people who hate unfixable things, waist and bad value do. If they explained about drums most would avoid sealed drums like the plague unless you had no choice via cost constraints.

This is what the governments should be sorting out. To avoid landfill etc and protecting consumers.
Edited by: "JMac_D" 30th Apr
JMac_D15 m ago

They could glue the tub together. Which could be sliced open with a …They could glue the tub together. Which could be sliced open with a stanley knife. Wouldnt add much weight and they could sell it on that point. Maybe most people don't care but people who hate unfixable things, waist and bad value do. If they explained about drums most would avoid sealed drums like the plague unless you had no choice via cost constraints.This is what the governments should be sorting out. To avoid landfill etc and protecting consumers.


Consider the forces a washing machine outer drum is subjected to - you'd have to glue it together with something far stronger than a Stanley knife could cut through. And then how do you seal it up again?

Yes, you and I both care about serviceability but we simply don't represent a significant proportion of the market. The vacuum cleaner power limit protects customers and the environment - at least that's the theory. I actually have my doubts that the only cost saving in sealing the drum is a weight saving. Three other benefits are the reduced raw material cost (steel bolts), no need for a seal, and reduced assembly time. I expect the failure rate during manufacture will be lower as well, as that seal can leak if those bolts aren't tightened evenly.
JMac_D54 m ago

Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to …Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.5 years for certain samsung models from £380. they do fridges etc as wellhttps://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/st/washing-machines-5-year-warranty?sortOrder=1



Lg as well but no prices.

lg.com/uk/…nty



JMac_D54 m ago

Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to …Most washing machines in that price range gives 5 year guarantee. Best to sell your washing machine before guarantee runs out. Most tub faults arnt fixable as they are usually a sealed unit. Bad design.5 years for certain samsung models from £380. they do fridges etc as wellhttps://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/st/washing-machines-5-year-warranty?sortOrder=1

pibpob18 m ago

Consider the forces a washing machine outer drum is subjected to - you'd …Consider the forces a washing machine outer drum is subjected to - you'd have to glue it together with something far stronger than a Stanley knife could cut through. And then how do you seal it up again? Yes, you and I both care about serviceability but we simply don't represent a significant proportion of the market. The vacuum cleaner power limit protects customers and the environment - at least that's the theory. I actually have my doubts that the only cost saving in sealing the drum is a weight saving. Three other benefits are the reduced raw material cost (steel bolts), no need for a seal, and reduced assembly time. I expect the failure rate during manufacture will be lower as well, as that seal can leak if those bolts aren't tightened evenly.


Silicone and a good design. Slotting together etc. There is always a way.

If they the manufacturers have to fix any within a year it would probably be swapped out. Transportation costs etc

Less spares being sold = less pofit as well.

There would be costs if they had a faulty part that affected a whole model range. Short sighted strategy rarely saves money and it will damage their brand in time.

Wouldnt take much to explain about the drum. Servicable versus unservicable.

Hopefully sealed drums will be banned by governments. Or public will cotton on with the help of the usual groups which advise them.
Edited by: "JMac_D" 30th Apr
These Siemens washing machines are typically near identical to the bosch units but with a shiny knob and different cycle options. So should be very reliable.
JMac_D19 h, 44 m ago

Whats the direct drive. No belts just a cog/gear.


Direct Drive is where the motor is placed immediately behind the drum and is connected straight to the drum without any additional belts etc. Most washing machine motors are placed in the bottom corner of the machine and have a pulley and belt system to drive the drum. This can add weight / potential points of failure and added risks etc. It's not a bad system, there must be millions of washers like this, I personally reckon DD is better.

My LG has a DD motor and I have to say it is very good. It is also quiet and very stable when spinning. I think the advert on TV used to balance a 50p piece on its edge as a test. Trust me that won't work on mine, but it's still very good after 7 years.

In all fairness the above washer looks to be pretty good (It has a brushless motor which is quite good, but not as good as DD in my opinion) and I would seriously consider the above Siemens, especially with the included warranty. However, having had an LG for a good while now I'm very impressed by them also.

Plus LG have consistently given 5 year parts and labour and a 10 year motor warranty (which might be expensive being DD and quite special so not very generic) so this ticks my box every time.
neilcaldwell1 h, 29 m ago

Direct Drive is where the motor is placed immediately behind the drum and …Direct Drive is where the motor is placed immediately behind the drum and is connected straight to the drum without any additional belts etc. Most washing machine motors are placed in the bottom corner of the machine and have a pulley and belt system to drive the drum. This can add weight / potential points of failure and added risks etc. It's not a bad system, there must be millions of washers like this, I personally reckon DD is better.My LG has a DD motor and I have to say it is very good. It is also quiet and very stable when spinning. I think the advert on TV used to balance a 50p piece on its edge as a test. Trust me that won't work on mine, but it's still very good after 7 years.In all fairness the above washer looks to be pretty good (It has a brushless motor which is quite good, but not as good as DD in my opinion) and I would seriously consider the above Siemens, especially with the included warranty. However, having had an LG for a good while now I'm very impressed by them also.Plus LG have consistently given 5 year parts and labour and a 10 year motor warranty (which might be expensive being DD and quite special so not very generic) so this ticks my box every time.


The chief disadvantage of direct drive is that there is a very heavy motor on the back of the drum, putting much more strain on the drum bearings. Does the motor warranty include the bearings? If you exclude those, there's very little that can go wrong with it - it's simply a set of electromagnets.

Yes, LG machines might be well-balanced, but that doesn't exclude other machines being well-balanced too. Putting the motor on the back rather than underneath would make no difference to that. Similarly, a common misconception is that on conventional machines the belt is noisy. It's the brushed motor on cheap conventional machines which is noisy. We've already discussed brushed motors.
neilcaldwell12 h, 22 m ago

Direct Drive is where the motor is placed immediately behind the drum and …Direct Drive is where the motor is placed immediately behind the drum and is connected straight to the drum without any additional belts etc. Most washing machine motors are placed in the bottom corner of the machine and have a pulley and belt system to drive the drum. This can add weight / potential points of failure and added risks etc. It's not a bad system, there must be millions of washers like this, I personally reckon DD is better.My LG has a DD motor and I have to say it is very good. It is also quiet and very stable when spinning. I think the advert on TV used to balance a 50p piece on its edge as a test. Trust me that won't work on mine, but it's still very good after 7 years.In all fairness the above washer looks to be pretty good (It has a brushless motor which is quite good, but not as good as DD in my opinion) and I would seriously consider the above Siemens, especially with the included warranty. However, having had an LG for a good while now I'm very impressed by them also.Plus LG have consistently given 5 year parts and labour and a 10 year motor warranty (which might be expensive being DD and quite special so not very generic) so this ticks my box every time.


Yes direct drive is a good thing indead. Less parts means less faults. Belts are the first to go as well. I wonder if my hotpoint is DD quietist one ive ever heard. First i used. Thought it was faulty. Brushless motors are far better than brushed. They consume less electricity and last 10 times long or so as they use magnetic instead of brushes to energise the motor. They are far quieter as well.

Will have to look out for DD from now on. I wish they gave this info on the shops website.

Id pick LG or Samsung over Siemens usually but Hotpoint make good washing machines usually as well as they have experience in them.

I wouldnt buy hotpoints fridges though. Last one my parents bought, fridge dept wasnt that cool 10c i think it was. Yet the freezer bit was well below whats needed.
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