SkyFire IV (MSI GE40 Barebone), Gaming Laptop, 14" , i5-4210M, GTX850M 2GB DDR5, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, NO OS, £496 @ PC Specialist
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SkyFire IV (MSI GE40 Barebone), Gaming Laptop, 14" , i5-4210M, GTX850M 2GB DDR5, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, NO OS, £496 @ PC Specialist

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Found 10th Aug 2014
Chassis & Display
SkyFire: 14" Matte HD+ LED Widescreen (1600x900)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5-4210M (2.60GHz and Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz for 2 active cores)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
Memory - Hard Disk
500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (5,400rpm)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 2 in 1 Memory Card Reader (SD, MMC)
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS 802.11N CARD INC. BLUETOOTH 3.0
USB Options
2 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD
Battery
SkyFire 14" Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 90W AC Adaptor
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Keyboard Language
INTEGRATED 11.6"/14" MSI UK KEYBOARD
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 3.0 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Insurance
1 Month Free Laptop Insurance inc. Accidental Damage & Theft
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days

67 Comments

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those fps aren't very impressive?

Banned

How long would that battery last when playing a game on that laptops highest possible settings?

is the dual core processor good enough for gaming?

Original Poster

lukec123

is the dual core processor good enough for gaming?


yeap

pangj

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those fps aren't very impressive?



Well they are running on the Highest settings, so if you dial them down you should be able to run most games at a playable framerate....Besides it's a Sub £500 laptop, you can't expect it to blow you away.

Was meant to vote hot but the stupid touch screen

its not FHD screen but still better than ps4 if you consider portability and advantages.. heat added

brendanhickey

Was meant to vote hot but the stupid touch screen



Voted hot to neutralise the mistake, hey it`s Sunday!

I am also considering a build from PC Specialist, the 17" or 15", but with the gtx 860m. Some of your figures in the comparison don't seem to show the same as NotebookCheck.net, for the gtx 850m on ultra settings. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-850M.107795.0.html
The 860 seems a fair bit better than the 850... Guess its a matter of choice and a few extra ££.
Good laptop though, heat added.
Edited by: "gregok" 10th Aug 2014

gregok

I am also considering a build from PC Specialist, the 17" or 15", but … I am also considering a build from PC Specialist, the 17" or 15", but with the gtx 860m. Some of your figures in the comparison don't seem to show the same as NotebookCheck.net, for the gtx 850m on ultra settings. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-850M.107795.0.htmlThe 860 seems a fair bit better than the 850... Guess its a matter of choice and a few extra ££.Good laptop though, heat added.


Which ever way you cost it out on the PCS website, the 860m is at least £100 more expensive than the 850m, so not 'a few extra pounds'. The whole point of the 850m is it delivers 1080p gaming capability at reasonable cost ( the card seems to cost about £140).

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pc-specialist-optimus-v-13-fhd-panel-i7-4710mq-2gb-860m-4gb-ram-637-1947880

Posted this around a month ago if anyone's interested in a higher spec system
I7
8gb ram
860m
FHD screen
QHD screen for £1 more on offer at the mo

Also good to note that you can get them to refund the price of the hdd to save a little more (if I remember correctly it was £27 or so) great if you have a cheap ssd to install
Edited by: "joealdus" 10th Aug 2014

Those benchmarks are at 1080p so I would expect 60fps on all games as this is 900p.

I bought from PC Specialist about 3 weeks ago, one of thier 13" models, very pleased so far

You can use this code GG789 for a further £15 off the price
Edited by: "m14x74" 10th Aug 2014

Joe90_guy

Which ever way you cost it out on the PCS website, the 860m is at least … Which ever way you cost it out on the PCS website, the 860m is at least £100 more expensive than the 850m, so not 'a few extra pounds'. The whole point of the 850m is it delivers 1080p gaming capability at reasonable cost ( the card seems to cost about £140).


I have an Acer with an i5 and gt640m, so am trying to decide if it is worth it to only upgrade to the 850. I wanted the GT 650m originally, but compromised due to cost, so don't want to do that again... I still play bf4 on it, but with low settings.
Edited by: "gregok" 10th Aug 2014

joealdus

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pc-specialist-optimus-v-13-fhd-panel-i7-4710mq-2gb-860m-4gb-ram-637-1947880Posted this around a month ago if anyone's interested in a higher spec systemI78gb ram860mFHD screen QHD screen for £1 more on offer at the mo Also good to note that you can get them to refund the price of the hdd to save a little more (if I remember correctly it was £27 or so) great if you have a cheap ssd to install


Hadn't noticed the special offer on the QHD screen. Have thought about this laptop but just feel like 13" isn't big enough to enjoy games. Shame cos the QHD screen is tempting.

Forgot how much more expensive it is to get components in laptop form!
I suppose this is a good deal if you're adamant on using a laptop - but if possible to use a desktop, you can easily wipe the floor with this laptop for considerably cheaper.

gregok

I have an Acer with an i5 and gt640m, so am trying to decide if it is … I have an Acer with an i5 and gt640m, so am trying to decide if it is worth it to only upgrade to the 850. I wanted the GT 650m originally, but compromised due to cost, so don't want to do that again... I still play bf4 on it, but with low settings.


I know that feeling too. I'm current gaming on a three year old Dell with an i-370m and ATI 5650 hence why I'm looking to upgrade. I came to the conclusion that the difference between the 850m and 860m isn't worth the extra £100. The games you can't play properly at 1080p with the 850m (Far Cry 3, Thief, etc) also struggle on the 860m (albeit a little bit less). I would probably have already bought a PCS laptop by now but their prices for SSDs are way higher than current market prices (which are dropping like a stone). Sooner or later PCS will have to correct this and when do I'll buy.
Edited by: "Joe90_guy" 10th Aug 2014

I can't add the link (I'm tying this on my tablet), but if you're interested in the PCS laptops, take a look at a couple of articles on the Gaminglaptopsjunky.com website. I think this is where the above FPS graphs come from. He does an excellent comparison of the dual core 4200m and quad core 4710MQ using the 850m GPU. If, like me, you're only interested in gaming, it looks like the extra cost of the quad core isn't justified.
Edited by: "Joe90_guy" 10th Aug 2014

Why not just order one without an ssd and put one in yourself?

Joe90_guy

I know that feeling too. I'm current gaming on a three year old Dell … I know that feeling too. I'm current gaming on a three year old Dell with an i-370m and ATI 5650 hence why I'm looking to upgrade. I came to the conclusion that the difference between the 850m and 860m isn't worth the extra £100. The games you can't play properly at 1080p with the 850m (Far Cry 3, Thief, etc) also struggle on the 860m (albeit a little bit less). I would probably have already bought a PCS laptop by now but their prices for SSDs are way higher than current market prices (which are dropping like a stone). Sooner or later PCS will have to correct this and when do I'll buy.

pangj

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those fps aren't very impressive?



This is a Maxwell based GPU, so the most recent Nvidia architecture with excellent power usage. You won't get desktop gaming performance at this price though, some more benchmarks at the bottom of this article >

notebookcheck.net/NVI…tml

Joe90_guy

I know that feeling too. I'm current gaming on a three year old Dell … I know that feeling too. I'm current gaming on a three year old Dell with an i-370m and ATI 5650 hence why I'm looking to upgrade. I came to the conclusion that the difference between the 850m and 860m isn't worth the extra £100. The games you can't play properly at 1080p with the 850m (Far Cry 3, Thief, etc) also struggle on the 860m (albeit a little bit less). I would probably have already bought a PCS laptop by now but their prices for SSDs are way higher than current market prices (which are dropping like a stone). Sooner or later PCS will have to correct this and when do I'll buy.


joealdus

Also good to note that you can get them to refund the price of the hdd to … Also good to note that you can get them to refund the price of the hdd to save a little more (if I remember correctly it was £27 or so) great if you have a cheap ssd to install


I reckon you will see a major jump from the 5650, that's what i had in my last machine.
Why not do what joeldus suggested and get a refund for the hdd and buy a ssd separately... Also if the GG789 code works from m14x74 works, that's another £15.
Anybody know the best way to get a legal windows activation key? Ebay seems to have a few for £39 odd.

Interesting... I think I'd struggle to build a gaming desktop as fast for that price...

A quick question...gaming-wise, do people actually see a real difference when you move from 720p to 1080p on a 15" laptop screen? I'm deffo going for 1080p but the comparisons I've seen on YouTube are almost identical.

pangj

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those fps aren't very impressive?



Highest settings and its at 1080p when this laptop is only 900p so should expect slightly better performance anyway, unless if you're outputting to a TV/monitor.
Edited by: "dealhunter1233" 10th Aug 2014

I love this "won't get better desktop performance at this price". Almost as pointless as 'announcing' that you won't see Lamborghini performance if you buy a Vauxhall Nova. Costs less, does less. This doesn't take too much knowledge to decipher. Gaming on a 14" screen was great in 1996. And of course people will then say "output it to a 40" TV". Faff.

Joe90_guy

I can't add the link (I'm tying this on my tablet), but if you're … I can't add the link (I'm tying this on my tablet), but if you're interested in the PCS laptops, take a look at a couple of articles on the Gaminglaptopsjunky.com website. I think this is where the above FPS graphs come from. He does an excellent comparison of the dual core 4200m and quad core 4710MQ using the 850m GPU. If, like me, you're only interested in gaming, it looks like the extra cost of the quad core isn't justified.


http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/i5-vs-i7-midrange-gaming-performance-test-gt-850m/

The problem with benchmarks is they dont show the smoothness of the game running, i had a dual core sandy bridge in my desktop and game like far cry 2 , crysis 3 , bf3 all didnt run 100 percent smooth , when i upgraded to a i5 2500 sandy bridge , those games ran better.
Crysis 3 is still quite bottlenecked by my 2500 sandy bridge chip which shocked me.

The quad i7 upgrade for this laptop is only 56 quid which is a total no brainer for me.

Lol just looking at that site and u can get a gtx850m laptop for only 378 quid (15.6" Cosmos II)
only 1366 screen but thats an advantage for gaming as you will get much better framrates at 1366 and it will still look decent.

is this keyboard backlit? it doesn't say

arnold.rimmer

Lol just looking at that site and u can get a gtx850m laptop for only 378 … Lol just looking at that site and u can get a gtx850m laptop for only 378 quid (15.6" Cosmos II)only 1366 screen but thats an advantage for gaming as you will get much better framrates at 1366 and it will still look decent.


Yeah with a pentium processor...

lukec123

Yeah with a pentium processor...



The pentium chips are not as bad as you think , i think they are just lower clocked i5 chips with hyper threading and Turbo Boost disabled.
If your gonna upgrade to an i5 the i7 is the real upgrade as its a true quad and is only around 50 extra notes.
Anyway just noticed when you try and click through you have to have a 1080p screen for the gtx850 so doesnt wotk anyway.

arnold.rimmer

http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/i5-vs-i7-midrange-gaming-performance-test-gt-850m/The problem with benchmarks is they dont show the smoothness of the game running, i had a dual core sandy bridge in my desktop and game like far cry 2 , crysis 3 , bf3 all didnt run 100 percent smooth , when i upgraded to a i5 2500 sandy bridge , those games ran better.Crysis 3 is still quite bottlenecked by my 2500 sandy bridge chip which shocked me.The quad i7 upgrade for this laptop is only 56 quid which is a total no brainer for me.




If you read the Gaminglaptopsjunky article in detail, he does talk specifically about how to revise the 1080p game settings to get the games to run smoothly. I think the 4210m Haswell dual core might have a bit more poke than your Sandy Bridge i5-2500. I like the fact that it will ramp up to 3200MHz on single core (I suspect a lot of older games just use one CPU core). To me 56 quid is still 56 quid. If I get no benefit from spending it, I'd rather keep it in my wallet.

KRIS DEE

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Thanks for detailed review, although it's quite misleading about the setting of the game. thanks for clarification in the comment.

My configuration is i3, 4gb hyperx ram, FullHD screen. 1 year collect and return
all other spec select none if possible.
so it work out for me like this:

Laptop: 480
Samsung: 54
Another 4gb HyperX ram: 34 (higher price than their site, but you get dual channel)

Total: 568


The i5 2500 is a lot more powerfull than a laptop 4210m its a full quad core and can turbo up to 3.70 GHz
For old old games you will see no benefit with the i7 but for games coming out in future you will see big ones as the the ps4 and xbone both use 8 core cpus.
The battlefield 3 and 4 games both do run a lot better with a quad over a dual in online gameplay.
Then you have that the i7 is a lot lot faster in many other tasks, if you have the option for only 56 quid to double your cpu cores it is more than worth it.


Anyone know how the screen is like? wished they had an IPS screen...

pangj

Anyone know how the screen is like? wished they had an IPS screen...


You can get an IPS screen from PCS in 15.6" (Cosmos II) and 13.3" (Optimum V). You can't get it in 14". The Cosmos II will cost about £650-ish with the IPS 1080p screen and a 4210m.

Joe90_guy

You can get an IPS screen from PCS in 15.6" (Cosmos II) and 13.3" … You can get an IPS screen from PCS in 15.6" (Cosmos II) and 13.3" (Optimum V). You can't get it in 14". The Cosmos II will cost about £650-ish with the IPS 1080p screen and a 4210m.


Yeah, but the 14" would be the perfect size, not too big, not too small, plus the barebones for the skyfire is the MSI GE40 which is actually a really nice chassis (imo) since its relatively thin and light. Anyone have this laptop, what can you say about the screen itself?

joealdus

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pc-specialist-optimus-v-13-fhd-panel-i7-4710mq-2gb-860m-4gb-ram-637-1947880Posted this around a month ago if anyone's interested in a higher spec systemI78gb ram860mFHD screen QHD screen for £1 more on offer at the mo Also good to note that you can get them to refund the price of the hdd to save a little more (if I remember correctly it was £27 or so) great if you have a cheap ssd to install



Oops I hadn't removed OS
Edited by: "Doors" 10th Aug 2014

Mrdom

Why not just order one without an ssd and put one in yourself?



I would certainly buy the SSD yourself, there is no OS so you don't need to move anything
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