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Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five years!
smallstools06/02/2020 15:14

Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five …Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five years!


Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a device this year and sell it directly for 5 years, assuming you bought the device when launched, then that device will get updates for 10 years. I don't see any other IOT brand committing to that sort of support...
Edited by: "markdavey1972" 6th Feb
markdavey197206/02/2020 15:20

Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a …Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a device this year and sell it directly for 5 years, assuming you bought the device when launched, then that device will get updates for 10 years. I don't see any other IOT brand committing to that sort of support...


I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos throughout my house I have 15 units which all work perfectly now, but after May they will not work together as they do now see:

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

and

End of Software Support - Clarifications

Obviously I don't have £3,000 to upgrade my "legacy" units for them to be able to play as they do now.

😡
Oh man, if it wasn't for their recent announcement I would have jumped at this. Great price admittedly but I have no faith in their products any more.
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Gd saving, think I’d prefer two Sonos one sl for that type of money though.
Suntory_Times06/02/2020 15:02

Gd saving, think I’d prefer two Sonos one sl for that type of money though.



It can’t be compared with the one though, designed for a completely different purpose
Oh man, if it wasn't for their recent announcement I would have jumped at this. Great price admittedly but I have no faith in their products any more.
Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five years!
Not bothered about the recent announcement as they are technically not going to break anything but, this will come with a 2 pin transformer for the base. The transformer is already large before you add an EU adapter...

Uk replacement base is £80

Decisions, decisions...
smallstools06/02/2020 15:14

Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five …Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five years!


Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a device this year and sell it directly for 5 years, assuming you bought the device when launched, then that device will get updates for 10 years. I don't see any other IOT brand committing to that sort of support...
Edited by: "markdavey1972" 6th Feb
markdavey197206/02/2020 15:15

Not bothered about the recent announcement as they are technically not …Not bothered about the recent announcement as they are technically not going to break anything but, this will come with a 2 pin transformer for the base. The transformer is already large before you add an EU adapter...Uk replacement base is £80Decisions, decisions...



markdavey197206/02/2020 15:20

Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a …Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a device this year and sell it directly for 5 years, assuming you bought the device when launched, then that device will get updates for 10 years. I don't see any other IOT brand committing to that sort of support...

Can you not buy a new power cable?
markdavey197206/02/2020 15:20

Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a …Its 5 years after they LAST SOLD the device directly. If they launch a device this year and sell it directly for 5 years, assuming you bought the device when launched, then that device will get updates for 10 years. I don't see any other IOT brand committing to that sort of support...


I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos throughout my house I have 15 units which all work perfectly now, but after May they will not work together as they do now see:

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

and

End of Software Support - Clarifications

Obviously I don't have £3,000 to upgrade my "legacy" units for them to be able to play as they do now.

😡
Jamblar06/02/2020 15:07

Oh man, if it wasn't for their recent announcement I would have jumped at …Oh man, if it wasn't for their recent announcement I would have jumped at this. Great price admittedly but I have no faith in their products any more.


What announcement?
herrbz06/02/2020 15:41

What announcement?


See the links in my post above
smallstools06/02/2020 15:14

Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five …Who'd buy a sonos now they've announced they'll only support them for five years!


So much longer than a phone, then? And can still be used, just in a different network group to the newer ones?
smallstools06/02/2020 15:40

I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos …I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos throughout my house I have 15 units which all work perfectly now, but after May they will not work together as they do now see:End of Software Updates for Legacy ProductsandEnd of Software Support - ClarificationsObviously I don't have £3,000 to upgrade my "legacy" units for them to be able to play as they do now.😡


Can't you just shift some around? Doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, it happens to everything internet-enabled.

People buy £1000+ phones that won't be supported in a few years, and no one cares when they stop getting "supported".
herrbz06/02/2020 15:41

So much longer than a phone, then? And can still be used, just in a …So much longer than a phone, then? And can still be used, just in a different network group to the newer ones?


Yes - so no longer a whole-house WiFi network that fills your home with brilliant sound, room by room. - unless you keep buying new units when they decide to not support your old ones.
Yeah. That announcement damaged the brand. Just look at some of the second hand sellers.

I’m certainly considering my options. I don’t really want to be forced to replace my speakers.

Luckily I got a good deal on the Sonos 5 not so long ago and sold my play 5 mk1 not long after.
smallstools06/02/2020 15:40

I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos …I'm sure you haven't spent the last 15 years like me then putting Sonos throughout my house I have 15 units which all work perfectly now, but after May they will not work together as they do now see:End of Software Updates for Legacy ProductsandEnd of Software Support - ClarificationsObviously I don't have £3,000 to upgrade my "legacy" units for them to be able to play as they do now.😡


I didn't see anywhere there that said they won't work as they do currently.
herrbz06/02/2020 15:44

Can't you just shift some around? Doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, …Can't you just shift some around? Doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, it happens to everything internet-enabled.People buy £1000+ phones that won't be supported in a few years, and no one cares when they stop getting "supported".


I beg to differ when you've spent £5k or £6k like me and thousands of other people for Sonos to just stop supporting them - read the threads.
Monkey.nuts.206/02/2020 15:46

Yeah. That announcement damaged the brand. Just look at some of the second …Yeah. That announcement damaged the brand. Just look at some of the second hand sellers.I’m certainly considering my options. I don’t really want to be forced to replace my speakers. Luckily I got a good deal on the Sonos 5 not so long ago and sold my play 5 mk1 not long after.


What part of their announcement means you will have to replace your speakers?
CoeK06/02/2020 15:46

I didn't see anywhere there that said they won't work as they do currently.


Read the threads I linked too.
smallstools06/02/2020 15:47

Read the threads I linked too.


I've read their announcement.

How will your current setup change?
CoeK06/02/2020 15:47

What part of their announcement means you will have to replace your …What part of their announcement means you will have to replace your speakers?


This part:

“You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.”

Or I end up with zones running new speakers and zones running “legacy” speakers.
Edited by: "Monkey.nuts.2" 6th Feb
Monkey.nuts.206/02/2020 15:50

This part:“You will also be able to separate your legacy products from y …This part:“You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.”Or I end up with zones running new speakers and zones running “legacy” speakers.


So it won't change unless you want it to.

Ok fine, I was worried my setup might actually have a problem.
CoeK06/02/2020 15:48

I've read their announcement.How will your current setup change?


My Connect Amp that powers my surround speakers in the kitchen ceiling will not play with my soundbar and sub in the kitchen after the next update.

I will no longer have whole-house sound for parties etc.
smallstools06/02/2020 15:52

My Connect Amp that powers my surround speakers in the kitchen ceiling …My Connect Amp that powers my surround speakers in the kitchen ceiling will not play with my soundbar and sub in the kitchen after the next update.I will no longer have whole-house sound for parties etc.


You can just run new stuff as legacy.

I can understand why they would have to stop support eventually.
I'm ok with no big updates and new features. I've had a 5 year run with my speakers slowly getting better and that's great. But without proper maintenance updates, the connected services will start to die. Not overnight admittedly, but for me for example, as soon as Google Play Music change something important with their API (the way that sonos connects to the Google servers) I lose access to my music. Similarly, of TuneIn change something, I lose radio. These changes will happen sooner or later and if sonos are refusing to update my system as they currently do, then the speakers will fail.
Jamblar06/02/2020 15:55

I'm ok with no big updates and new features. I've had a 5 year run with my …I'm ok with no big updates and new features. I've had a 5 year run with my speakers slowly getting better and that's great. But without proper maintenance updates, the connected services will start to die. Not overnight admittedly, but for me for example, as soon as Google Play Music change something important with their API (the way that sonos connects to the Google servers) I lose access to my music. Similarly, of TuneIn change something, I lose radio. These changes will happen sooner or later and if sonos are refusing to update my system as they currently do, then the speakers will fail.


Google play music is going soon anyway.. will you really lose access to music at that point?
Hi, not sure if Sonos are still supporting this old model?
pipehippy06/02/2020 16:29

Google play music is going soon anyway.. will you really lose access to …Google play music is going soon anyway.. will you really lose access to music at that point?


Not sure! But it's a concern for me. When it finally goes I'll be moved across to Youtube Music which is a poor substitute at the moment, but it is at least currently supported by Sonos. I'm guessing that there will be some big changes with it as Google build it up to where it needs to be, which I'm again guessing that means it will be the first to break if Sonos isn't going to roll with the changes.

This is pure speculation, I at least have no idea how often these changes come about, I think they're probably quite sporadic. So I'm not optimistic about my Sonos future personally, but realistically it just comes down to the fact that anyb service could break at any time, whether they're deprecated or not.
Jamblar06/02/2020 17:05

Not sure! But it's a concern for me. When it finally goes I'll be moved …Not sure! But it's a concern for me. When it finally goes I'll be moved across to Youtube Music which is a poor substitute at the moment, but it is at least currently supported by Sonos. I'm guessing that there will be some big changes with it as Google build it up to where it needs to be, which I'm again guessing that means it will be the first to break if Sonos isn't going to roll with the changes.This is pure speculation, I at least have no idea how often these changes come about, I think they're probably quite sporadic. So I'm not optimistic about my Sonos future personally, but realistically it just comes down to the fact that anyb service could break at any time, whether they're deprecated or not.


I've got a few grand invested also. I've missed this wave - my eldest unit are the play ones. I get the impression things are going to work for a good while yet though, admittedly perhaps without further features. If I get 10 or 15 years use out of them, I feel that's pretty good for the type of product.
Maybe there'll be a new Chromecast audio or the equivalent that will at least save the 5's and any of they other speakers with jack's when the day comes.

Not panicking yet.
markdavey197206/02/2020 15:15

Not bothered about the recent announcement as they are technically not …Not bothered about the recent announcement as they are technically not going to break anything but, this will come with a 2 pin transformer for the base. The transformer is already large before you add an EU adapter...Uk replacement base is £80Decisions, decisions...


Is the power cable attached? On all the other products it's been removable. I bought one of their speakers (can't remember which one) from a European Amazon store and just got an official cable from the Sonos UK store for £5. If it's not removal I personally wouldn't get one because of the cost of the replacement base. I don't like the idea of it being plugged into an adapter the whole time.

And for those worried about support...
Some of the products Sonos can't support anymore are almost 15yrs old! They really have got as much as they can out of them. Sadly their PR and announcements about the dropping of support was worded and handled very badly and that was just after their get 30% off if you brick you device "recycling" option came out, another poorly managed idea in my opinion.

Not many other tech companies would support there products for so long!

I like Sonos products, yes they do cost a few quid but you tend to get a solid product and solution that works consistently well. Times are changing now and there is much more going on in this space. Interesting to see what they do to keep the top of the game, being flexible and agile with the ability to add and support new features and services. There partnership with IKEA was an interesting one and certainly opens up their products to a cheaper end of the market.

I do want a move... Must not buy.... Just yet!. Wait until the summer is on the way. At least then I won't need to break out the long extension for Play:5 every time we have a BBQ
ople06/02/2020 19:39

Is the power cable attached? On all the other products it's been …Is the power cable attached? On all the other products it's been removable. I bought one of their speakers (can't remember which one) from a European Amazon store and just got an official cable from the Sonos UK store for £5. If it's not removal I personally wouldn't get one because of the cost of the replacement base. I don't like the idea of it being plugged into an adapter the whole time. And for those worried about support...Some of the products Sonos can't support anymore are almost 15yrs old! They really have got as much as they can out of them. Sadly their PR and announcements about the dropping of support was worded and handled very badly and that was just after their get 30% off if you brick you device "recycling" option came out, another poorly managed idea in my opinion. Not many other tech companies would support there products for so long! I like Sonos products, yes they do cost a few quid but you tend to get a solid product and solution that works consistently well. Times are changing now and there is much more going on in this space. Interesting to see what they do to keep the top of the game, being flexible and agile with the ability to add and support new features and services. There partnership with IKEA was an interesting one and certainly opens up their products to a cheaper end of the market. I do want a move... Must not buy.... Just yet!. Wait until the summer is on the way. At least then I won't need to break out the long extension for Play:5 every time we have a BBQ


The thing is though, my products aren't 15 years old. They're less than 5. And although support for tech products traditionally wouldn't last much longer than that, my premium speakers were sold to me as exactly that, a speaker system that traditionally could last a lifetime. A speaker system that I could 'add to over time' - Sonos' words, not mine.

To say that they've got as much out of them as they can seems crazy to me. (No offence) There's no one on this earth that can convince me my perfectly functioning speakers are no longer able to play music and that I should be OK with thousands of pounds worth of equipment being remotely switched off at any moment, 5 years after I bought them.

If Sonos wanted to keep these speakers in service, they absolutely could. And they absolutely should. THAT is the issue.
Edited by: "Jamblar" 6th Feb
Jamblar06/02/2020 20:00

The thing is though, my products aren't 15 years old. They're less than 5. …The thing is though, my products aren't 15 years old. They're less than 5. And although support for tech products traditionally wouldn't last much longer than that, my premium speakers were sold to me as exactly that, a speaker system that traditionally could last a lifetime. A speaker system that I could 'add to over time' - Sonos' words, not mine.To say that they've got as much out of them as they can seems crazy to me. (No offence) There's no one on this earth that can convince me my perfectly functioning speakers are no longer able to play music and that I should be OK with thousands of pounds worth of equipment being remotely switched off at any moment, less than 5 years after I bought them. If Sonos wanted to keep these speakers in service, they absolutely could. And they absolutely should. THAT is the issue.


If your Sonos products were made in the last 5 years you are not affected by the recent announcement.

Currently all Sonos players ever made are fully supported and play music from all the services supported. That is quite remarkable given that when Sonos first came out they only played music from a local NAS/PC and streaming radio.

The first came out in 2005, before the iPhone, before Android phones, before many people had Wi-fi at home. In that time smart TVs have come out and been made obsolete, along with other multi room audio systems, first gen iPads, windows 7, 8, Mobile, RT....

Yes, Sonos have botched the announcements, but an end to updates was bound to happen eventually. It's a testament to the reliability of the products that there are so many still in daily use that will be affected by this announcement.

Ultimately though, for all the people claiming they won't be buying more Sonos products, no one has suggested any credible alternatives to Sonos at the same price/quality point.
mail4406/02/2020 20:59

If your Sonos products were made in the last 5 years you are not affected …If your Sonos products were made in the last 5 years you are not affected by the recent announcement. Currently all Sonos players ever made are fully supported and play music from all the services supported. That is quite remarkable given that when Sonos first came out they only played music from a local NAS/PC and streaming radio. The first came out in 2005, before the iPhone, before Android phones, before many people had Wi-fi at home. In that time smart TVs have come out and been made obsolete, along with other multi room audio systems, first gen iPads, windows 7, 8, Mobile, RT....Yes, Sonos have botched the announcements, but an end to updates was bound to happen eventually. It's a testament to the reliability of the products that there are so many still in daily use that will be affected by this announcement.Ultimately though, for all the people claiming they won't be buying more Sonos products, no one has suggested any credible alternatives to Sonos at the same price/quality point.


Your spin makes you sounds like a Sonos spokesperson! Yes 2005 is a long time ago. But that date is irrelevant. Yes everything is currently supported, but it won't be in just a few weeks. That's what we're taking about.

I almost agree with you though, Sonos has been nothing short of fantastic and I've sung it's praises and pushed it on many people in the last 5 years. That just makes me sadder about how it's turned out.

I bought Play 5s and a Connect Amp in March 2015 and they are 100% on the legacy list and about to lose support. I expected more than 5 years out of them, which is why I bought a good amount more in the years that followed. Some people are looking a lot bigger loss than I am too on products bought just as recently as me in 2015.

My credible alternative is not to spend thousands of pounds replacing everything every 5 or so years. Eventually I'll probably buy decent dumb speakers that will last a generation, and plug in something smart but cheap like a Chromecast audio, not that I can afford to replace anything any time soon.
Jamblar06/02/2020 22:10

Your spin makes you sounds like a Sonos spokesperson! Yes 2005 is a long …Your spin makes you sounds like a Sonos spokesperson! Yes 2005 is a long time ago. But that date is irrelevant. Yes everything is currently supported, but it won't be in just a few weeks. That's what we're taking about.I almost agree with you though, Sonos has been nothing short of fantastic and I've sung it's praises and pushed it on many people in the last 5 years. That just makes me sadder about how it's turned out.I bought Play 5s and a Connect Amp in March 2015 and they are 100% on the legacy list and about to lose support. I expected more than 5 years out of them, which is why I bought a good amount more in the years that followed. Some people are looking a lot bigger loss than I am too on products bought just as recently as me in 2015.My credible alternative is not to spend thousands of pounds replacing everything every 5 or so years. Eventually I'll probably buy decent dumb speakers that will last a generation, and plug in something smart but cheap like a Chromecast audio, not that I can afford to replace anything any time soon.


It is relavent though - everything has a finite life, technology products doubly so. Even white goods often struggle to last 5 years.

You were unlucky you bought two items just at the wrong time. I have a play 5 and connect from 2012 so have had 8 years of enjoyment from them. The play 5 wireless connection went faulty at 4 years and was swapped for a refurb unit at no cost which is partly why I am so pro-Sonos.

The fact is we don't really know what will happen after May, how long everything will continue to work 'well enough.' That's where Sonos have failed, although it appears they don't know either. They are just committing to stop committing. Or they know a major api change is coming on one of the services that cannot be implemented on old hardware but they can't disclose which because of the NDAs they will have signed.

I'll leave you with one thought. A music subscription costs about £10 a month. Buying CDs significantly more (although digitising these and playing from a NAS will continue to work as it always has). Your Connect and play 5 have cost £12.50 a month in depreciation over 5 years if purchased at retail price.
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