Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 £271 @ Currys - £235 (with cashback)
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Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 £271 @ Currys - £235 (with cashback)

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Found 21st Oct 2015
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100, HD 1080p, 20.2MP, 3.6x Optical Zoom, 3” LCD Screen.

Highly regarded compact camera.

£271 - £30 Sony cashback = £241

- 2.5% Quidco = £235.4
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Excellent camera but it shuld drop in price now. Got this last year for £195 from JL Clearance...
Is there much difference between this and the newer ones in terms of overall picture quality, outdoors with cloudy coverage (lower light conditions).

I just want a good, portable point and shoot.

Cheers
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jimbo001

Cheaper without cashback on slrhut - probably better than Curry's with … Cheaper without cashback on slrhut - probably better than Curry's with returns too


SLRHut are grey imports, warranty returns would have to be via SLRHut and then on to the manufacturer. With Curry’s the repair would be dealt with via the Sony UK repair centre.
jimbo001

Is there much difference between this and the newer ones in terms of … Is there much difference between this and the newer ones in terms of overall picture quality, outdoors with cloudy coverage (lower light conditions). I just want a good, portable point and shoot. Cheers



Yeah but big price difference too so gotta weigh up the pros and cons
jimbo001

Is there much difference between this and the newer ones in terms of … Is there much difference between this and the newer ones in terms of overall picture quality, outdoors with cloudy coverage (lower light conditions). I just want a good, portable point and shoot. Cheers



There are four versions now as you may be aware. The mk2 was a relatively mild change and you can get away with choosing the original version to save cash. The mk3 version brought a more radical change, including a lens with a far larger aperture when zoomed in (this is known as being a "faster" lens, which let's in more light and let's you use faster shutter speeds and creating shallower depth of field) and a pop-up electronic viewfinder for composing your photos with. The mk4 was again a more incremental change, primarily focusing on adding extremely high speed video and shooting modes.

As a casual/hobbyist, the original is an excellent camera that you'll be extremely happy with, the further versions add tempting features for snthusiast users but for using as a conventional compact camera, you can't go wrong with the mk1.
ElGofre

There are four versions now as you may be aware. The mk2 was a relatively … There are four versions now as you may be aware. The mk2 was a relatively mild change and you can get away with choosing the original version to save cash. The mk3 version brought a more radical change, including a lens with a far larger aperture when zoomed in (this is known as being a "faster" lens, which let's in more light and let's you use faster shutter speeds and creating shallower depth of field) and a pop-up electronic viewfinder for composing your photos with. The mk4 was again a more incremental change, primarily focusing on adding extremely high speed video and shooting modes.As a casual/hobbyist, the original is an excellent camera that you'll be extremely happy with, the further versions add tempting features for snthusiast users but for using as a conventional compact camera, you can't go wrong with the mk1.



Appreciated!

I'll check out the price differences between mk1 and 3 and decide.

Most likely mk1 though. Thanks
£229 at London Camera Exchange after cash back.
I bought the mark 2 a few weeks ago in preparation for our onrushing first born. I've never been into photography particularly, but it's unbelievable to me just how good the quality of this cameras shots are (mk2 and mk1 are little different by all accounts), without faffing about with any settings.

I bought a book to help me out if I wanted to take it a stage further, but I primarily wanted it for point and shoot and for this it is highly recommended.
These are highly recommended.

However, not quite the camera for me as I need a little more zoom.
Currently the camera makers make a few high end compacts with very limited zoom and then they make compact travel zoom cameras that pack ever more ridiculous zoom ranges into a small camera (up to 30x).

Someday one of them might just innovate and make a high end compact with a sensible 10x zoom.
jaizan

These are highly recommended. However, not quite the camera for me as I … These are highly recommended. However, not quite the camera for me as I need a little more zoom. Currently the camera makers make a few high end compacts with very limited zoom and then they make compact travel zoom cameras that pack ever more ridiculous zoom ranges into a small camera (up to 30x). Someday one of them might just innovate and make a high end compact with a sensible 10x zoom.



It's all about sensor size I believe. The sensor in this camera is really large for a compact camera. Mega zooms have smaller sensor sizes to allow them to have such short lenses, you just have to look at the length of lens required on a pro level DSLR to see what you'd need for a 10x on a decent sized sensor camera..

On the other hand, I have a (now 10 year old!) mega zoom which takes fairly good photos, and has a 12x or so zoom. It is a 5 megapixel camera, allowing 6x4 (possibly larger) to be printed out.
This is a 20mp camera, with 3.6x zoom. With some cropping, you'd have a photo which could easily be printed to 6x4, probably larger, and the equivalent of a lager zoom. I'm looking to replace the old mega zoom with an RX100 at some point with this line of thinking...
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The RX100 has something called 'Clear Image Zoom'. This offers 7.2x at 20Mp, 10x at 10Mp or 14x at 5Mp. The results are suprisingly good. There's some more info here..
docs.esupport.sony.com/dvi…tml
techradar.com/rev…w/6


Edited by: "TK42" 22nd Oct 2015
jaizan

These are highly recommended. However, not quite the camera for me as I … These are highly recommended. However, not quite the camera for me as I need a little more zoom. Currently the camera makers make a few high end compacts with very limited zoom and then they make compact travel zoom cameras that pack ever more ridiculous zoom ranges into a small camera (up to 30x). Someday one of them might just innovate and make a high end compact with a sensible 10x zoom.



It's less a matter of innovation at this point and more a matter of physics.

As mentioned above, sensor size is a major factor in how good a camera's image quality can be- the larger the surface area, the more light the sensor takes and the more information it has to work with in a given exposure. This is the big limiting factor on why bog standard compacts don't have particularly good image quality- their sensors are tiny. However the physical properties of the sensor in turn dictate some of the physical properties of the lens, for example it needs smaller pieces of glass in the lens to cover the sensor fully, the lens can be smaller while retaining a usable aperture etc. It also means a small lens can create a large degree of magnification, also known as crop factor. This makes tiny sensors ideal for consumers whose primary concerns are convenience oriented rather than chasing the best image quality they can get, because it means designers can create lenses with enormous zoom ranges in a comparatively tiny space, while simultaneously being retractable into a pocketable body.

When you move to a larger sensor, the lens needs to get larger too- you need larger lens elements to prevent vignetting and to retain decent apertures, and all of this requires more physical space. The RX100 series are a good illustration of this- the mk1 and mk2 versions of the camera had a 3.6x zoom lens but when fully zoomed out the maximum aperture was a fairly low f/4.9. In the mk3 and mk4 versions they used a new lens with a much larger maximum aperture of f/2.8 when fully zoomed out, which lets in a lot more light, but they had to reduce the zoom range to 2.9x in order to stay in the same physical dimensions.
Had the mk1 and 2, great cameras. only bought the Mk 2 for wifi and adjustable rear screen.
TK42

The RX100 has something called 'Clear Image Zoom'. This offers 7.2x at … The RX100 has something called 'Clear Image Zoom'. This offers 7.2x at 20Mp, 10x at 10Mp or 14x at 5Mp. The results are suprisingly good. There's some more info here..http://docs.esupport.sony.com/dvimag/DSCRX100_guide/en/contents/04/02/20/20.htmlhttp://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/compact-cameras/sony-rx100-1083683/review/6


dont think you can use raw though which is quite a disadvantage (couldn't on my camera anyway)
clear zoom is decent enough though and convenient, the 10x at 10mp and 14x at 5mp must just be crops?
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brilly

dont think you can use raw though which is quite a disadvantage (couldn't … dont think you can use raw though which is quite a disadvantage (couldn't on my camera anyway)clear zoom is decent enough though and convenient, the 10x at 10mp and 14x at 5mp must just be crops?


Not sure I'd use the 10x or 14x zoom modes, but the 7.2x zoom (which is equiv to 200mm) certainly looks OK.
There's some sample pics here: -
sonyalphalab.com/son…up/
TK42

Not sure I'd use the 10x or 14x zoom modes, but the 7.2x zoom (which is … Not sure I'd use the 10x or 14x zoom modes, but the 7.2x zoom (which is equiv to 200mm) certainly looks OK.There's some sample pics here: -http://sonyalphalab.com/sony-rx100-high-res-sample-photos-w-100-crops-now-up/


yeah on my camera its pretty good and nice and quick
did notice that i got better results from processing a raw though than using the clearview and resizing to the same image size
took much longer naturally

does the rx100 do the auto framing thing? you take a photo and it creates a 2nd differently composed version which can be good.
i think that must use the clear view as the images are crops but blown up to full MP.
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Yes it would appear so: -
"The Auto Portrait Framing mode uses face detection and the rule of thirds to automatically crop and create tightly framed portrait shots. The same Pixel Super Resolution Technology (Clear Zoom) ensures that the resulting image is still a full 20 megapixels in size, and the original uncropped image is also saved for easy comparison".
Excellent camera
Bought this a month ago from John Lewis for £170 including price match and Sony cash back
bargains4us

Excellent cameraBought this a month ago from John Lewis for £170 … Excellent cameraBought this a month ago from John Lewis for £170 including price match and Sony cash back



Who did they price match?
Corranga

Who did they price match?


was fotosense iirc, search for the older rx100 threads
Thanks, I'll have a look.
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Corranga

Thanks, I'll have a look.


£238 on fotosense. If they match this you would get £30 cashback from Sony as well !
TK42

£238 on fotosense. If they match this you would get £30 cashback from S … £238 on fotosense. If they match this you would get £30 cashback from Sony as well !



They won't price match fotosense as they are an online only retailer with a show room apparently. I guess they aren't desperate to sell the rx100
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Corranga

They won't price match fotosense as they are an online only retailer with … They won't price match fotosense as they are an online only retailer with a show room apparently. I guess they aren't desperate to sell the rx100


Don't understand that, a lot of companies are now online retailiers with show rooms, take Currys for instance.
Did you make the purchase? It is a great camera.
TK42

Don't understand that, a lot of companies are now online retailiers with … Don't understand that, a lot of companies are now online retailiers with show rooms, take Currys for instance. Did you make the purchase? It is a great camera.



Not yet, I'm deliberating on selling my old Canon 400D first as I have a Fuji XM-1 which I use more often and it seems as good if not better than the Canon, but I'd like a portable carry around with a bit of zoom so was looking at this Sony
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Corranga

Not yet, I'm deliberating on selling my old Canon 400D first as I have a … Not yet, I'm deliberating on selling my old Canon 400D first as I have a Fuji XM-1 which I use more often and it seems as good if not better than the Canon, but I'd like a portable carry around with a bit of zoom so was looking at this Sony


For a compact truly pocketable camera the RX100 can't be beat. It has excellent photo quality for it's size, not far off the XM-1.
£60 cashback now : /
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jono8

£60 cashback now : /


+ Free Sony case.
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