*** SONY KDL40W4500   BEST LCD FOR THIS PRICE  !!! GREAT PRICE £899 *** wow
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*** SONY KDL40W4500 BEST LCD FOR THIS PRICE !!! GREAT PRICE £899 *** wow

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Found 16th Sep 2008
SONY KDL40W4500 CHECK IT OUT ! you wont get a better lcd for this price.!!!
great tv only £899
50,000 - 1 CONTRAST
100HZ
GREAT TV

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Just remind me why this is the king of LCD's please?

Banned

cough *pioneer* cough

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Chris52;2982064

Just remind me why this is the king of LCD's please?



this is this the update to the w4000 which has already been reviewed as the best lcd tv for under £1500. it now comes with 50000 to 1 contrast ratio and 100hz motion control, great for watching movies and sport.

this is the king because no other lcd has blacks this good! with out paying an arm and a leg for.

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fragaliciousbob;2982082

cough *pioneer* cough



pioneer lcd not that good yet. their plasma's are great tho
philips top range lcd quite good but look at price.

fragaliciousbob;2982082

cough *pioneer* cough



cough lol cough

cmf;2982093

this is this the update to the w4000 which has already been reviewed as … this is this the update to the w4000 which has already been reviewed as the best lcd tv for under £1500. it now comes with 50000 to 1 contrast ratio and 100hz motion control, great for watching movies and sport.this is the king because no other lcd has blacks this good! with out paying an arm and a leg for.



better tvs here with better price
laskys.com/tv_…es/

50000:1 - whats next, 1,000,000:1

the quality on this must be phenomenal

That's a pretty good price for a newly released TV. The KDL40W-4000 isn't far off that price right now and if the only things that have been tweaked are the contrast and the 100Hz bits then this could be pretty awesome. I'll wait to see some reviews first though.

tronic;2982120

better tvs here with better … better tvs here with better pricehttp://www.laskys.com/tv_and_dvd/lcd_tvs/40_to_46_inches/



They are selling the same TV for £1149?
laskys.com/tv_…tml

These Teleworld people seem to have several high street store locations and so I guess JL might pricematch the pirce (if it is the same price in teleworld stores as on the teleworld site)

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tronic;2982120

better tvs here with better … better tvs here with better pricehttp://www.laskys.com/tv_and_dvd/lcd_tvs/40_to_46_inches/



come on have you seen these tvs up front poor blacks, bud picture judder.
dont get me wrong if you happy with almost good picture quality and picture pixilation when watching sport any of the tv,s are fine. but the w4500 is different class .
there are better tvs but you looking at paying twice the cost of this one to get as good .
panasonic plasma are as good for about the same price but plasma's have shorter life expectancy and use twice the energy .

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amansk;2982144

50000:1 - whats next, 1,000,000:1 :)the quality on this must be phenomenal



its really worth a look, great picture quality, ideal for gaming, sports, movies

I reckon this will turn out to be a misprice. I reckon this is their price for the KDL40W4000 rather than the KDL40W4500

cmf;2982195

come on have you seen these tvs up front poor blacks, bud picture … come on have you seen these tvs up front poor blacks, bud picture judder.dont get me wrong if you happy with almost good picture quality and picture pixilation when watching sport any of the tv,s are fine. but the w4500 is different class .there are better tvs but you looking at paying twice the cost of this one to get as good .panasonic plasma are as good for about the same price but plasma's have shorter life expectancy and use twice the energy .



its agreat price dont get me wrong but
with any tv , abad signal a **** picture,a tv is only as good as the signal , its only good for hd using dvd and so on that is where you will get the best of pictures

Banned

cmf;2982195

come on have you seen these tvs up front poor blacks, bud picture … come on have you seen these tvs up front poor blacks, bud picture judder.dont get me wrong if you happy with almost good picture quality and picture pixilation when watching sport any of the tv,s are fine. but the w4500 is different class .there are better tvs but you looking at paying twice the cost of this one to get as good .panasonic plasma are as good for about the same price but plasma's have shorter life expectancy and use twice the energy .



Is There is Difference in Lifespan?
It's frequently thought that plasma screens have a slightly shorter lifespan than LCD, but plasma manufacturers insist that this is a myth. Both types of TV are thought to have a total lifespan of about 60,000 hours, based on 6 hours of viewing time per day. This means that if you used your TV every single day, then it would last for 27 years!





Is There is Difference in Energy Usage?
Everyone has to play their part in bringing down energy consumption and fortunately both plasma and LCD televisions use up to 60% less power than old CRT technology. However, if you really want to minimise your energy usage, then LCD uses slightly less than plasma.



please get your facts straight

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fragaliciousbob;2982230

Is There is Difference in Lifespan?It's frequently thought that plasma … Is There is Difference in Lifespan?It's frequently thought that plasma screens have a slightly shorter lifespan than LCD, but plasma manufacturers insist that this is a myth. Both types of TV are thought to have a total lifespan of about 60,000 hours, based on 6 hours of viewing time per day. This means that if you used your TV every single day, then it would last for 27 years! Is There is Difference in Energy Usage?Everyone has to play their part in bringing down energy consumption and fortunately both plasma and LCD televisions use up to 60% less power than old CRT technology. However, if you really want to minimise your energy usage, then LCD uses slightly less than plasma.please get your facts straight



Because LCDs use florescent backlighting to produce images, they require substantially less power to operate than plasma TVs do. LCD displays consume about half the power that plasma displays consume. The reason: Plasmas use a lot of electricity to light each and every pixel you see on a screen - even the dark ones. Though plasma manufacturers have improved voltage consumption requirements a plasma TV will consume around a third more power for the same size display.

Flat-panel LCD screen displays have a lifespan approaching 60,000 hours. The lifespan of an LCD display is generally longer than that of similar-sized plasma displays. Some manufacturers even claim that their LCDs can last upwards of 80,000 hours when used continuously under controlled conditions (e.g., in a room with "standard" lighting conditions and 77° temperatures throughout). Just how realistic such claims are is debatable. After all, whose living room has no windows and remains at a perfectly comfortable 77 degrees year-round?

both plasma's and lcd will lose performance over time thou lcd back light can be replaced to rejuvinate the tele but cannot replace gases in plasma once colour starts to go

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spinnaker;2982228

I reckon this will turn out to be a misprice. I reckon this is their … I reckon this will turn out to be a misprice. I reckon this is their price for the KDL40W4000 rather than the KDL40W4500



they have the w4000 for £804 . think its the real deal.:)

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cmf;2982316

Because LCDs use florescent backlighting to produce images, they require … Because LCDs use florescent backlighting to produce images, they require substantially less power to operate than plasma TVs do. LCD displays consume about half the power that plasma displays consume. The reason: Plasmas use a lot of electricity to light each and every pixel you see on a screen - even the dark ones. Though plasma manufacturers have improved voltage consumption requirements a plasma TV will consume around a third more power for the same size display.Flat-panel LCD screen displays have a lifespan approaching 60,000 hours. The lifespan of an LCD display is generally longer than that of similar-sized plasma displays. Some manufacturers even claim that their LCDs can last upwards of 80,000 hours when used continuously under controlled conditions (e.g., in a room with "standard" lighting conditions and 77° temperatures throughout). Just how realistic such claims are is debatable. After all, whose living room has no windows and remains at a perfectly comfortable 77 degrees year-round?


your source is wrong please quote facts

Myth
Plasma TVs use more power than their LCD rivals.

Fact
The reality is that plasma TVs don’t necessarily use any more power than LCDs – a fact which makes perfect sense if you think about how each technology works.

Plasma TVs, for instance, require just a single ignition of a plasma cell to cause a pixel to illuminate. Since darkness is achieved in plasma pixels by stopping electrical current getting into them, it follows that plasma TVs need relatively little power to reproduce dark scenes.

LCDs by comparison run at a constant power regardless of whether a scene is dark or light, due to their use of an always-on backlight.

Results from an independent research conducted by the AVT.O.P. Messetechnik laboratory in Germany, showed that plasmas tend to use the same – and sometimes less – amounts of power than LCD screens.
Plasma – Individually controlled light sources mean the power consumption varies according to the brightness of each scene
LCD – Backlight is constantly on for both bright and dark scenes



Example
You decide to watch a DVD of The Lord of The Rings. If you have an LCD TV, even though the film contains some a wide mix of dark and bright scenes, the TV will run at a constant ‘mid-level’ power, since its backlight output remains unchanged regardless of how dark the image content is.

If you watch the same film on a plasma TV, during bright scenes it will use potentially more energy than an LCD TV. But during the dark scenes it will use less energy than the LCD TV. The result is that the overall energy usage between the TVs is roughly the same. In fact, with a really dark movie, plasma TVs could use notably less power than many LCD TVs!

I will wait until I see one to comment further but so far I haven't seen an LCD that gets anywhere near a Pioneer Plasma picture quality for watching TV. I would love this to do so at so much less money but I want to see it for myself.

Fingers crossed but not overly optimistic as carefully selected numbers never tell the whole story.

Banned

i can only assume that CMF has one of these lcd's otherwise he is just sprouting out sony jargon with no independent reviews

Panasonic plasma's all have 100,000 hr panel life now BTW :thumbsup:

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fragaliciousbob;2982375

your source is wrong please quote facts MythPlasma TVs use more power … your source is wrong please quote facts MythPlasma TVs use more power than their LCD rivals.FactThe reality is that plasma TVs don’t necessarily use any more power than LCDs – a fact which makes perfect sense if you think about how each technology works.Plasma TVs, for instance, require just a single ignition of a plasma cell to cause a pixel to illuminate. Since darkness is achieved in plasma pixels by stopping electrical current getting into them, it follows that plasma TVs need relatively little power to reproduce dark scenes.LCDs by comparison run at a constant power regardless of whether a scene is dark or light, due to their use of an always-on backlight.Results from an independent research conducted by the AVT.O.P. Messetechnik laboratory in Germany, showed that plasmas tend to use the same – and sometimes less – amounts of power than LCD screens. Plasma – Individually controlled light sources mean the power consumption varies according to the brightness of each scene LCD – Backlight is constantly on for both bright and dark scenesExampleYou decide to watch a DVD of The Lord of The Rings. If you have an LCD TV, even though the film contains some a wide mix of dark and bright scenes, the TV will run at a constant ‘mid-level’ power, since its backlight output remains unchanged regardless of how dark the image content is.If you watch the same film on a plasma TV, during bright scenes it will use potentially more energy than an LCD TV. But during the dark scenes it will use less energy than the LCD TV. The result is that the overall energy usage between the TVs is roughly the same. In fact, with a really dark movie, plasma TVs could use notably less power than many LCD TVs!



sony w4500 lcd general power consumption = 234w
panasonic plasma th-42pz85u general power consumption= 573w
check out link
www2.panasonic.com/con…702
sony.co.uk/pro…500

Uridium;2982437

Panasonic plasma's all have 100,000 hr panel life now BTW :thumbsup:




Quoting panel life is all very well but what of the rest eg power supply. In my experience it isn't the panels that go!

Banned

pioneer.co.uk/uk/…tml larger screen slightly higher power consumtion we can all find extremes. now can you tell us if you have one of these if so please show us

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fragaliciousbob;2982501

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/62/63/413/PDP-428XD/specs.html … http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/62/63/413/PDP-428XD/specs.html larger screen slightly higher power consumtion we can all find extremes. now can you tell us if you have one of these if so please show us



cheapest could find this tv is £1399 and its not got full hd only 720p

ok let me appologise not trying to say that lcds are better than plasmas, i prefer lcd mainly for energy reasons and because of picture burn in on plasma when gaming. plasma have advantages too, for one their picture quality is incredible. I dont yet own the w4500 but with this price and with same features and more as the w4000 wont be long. this is a great deal for lcd lovers. :thumbsup:

cmf;2982606

ok let me appologise not trying to say that lcds are better than plasmas, … ok let me appologise not trying to say that lcds are better than plasmas, i prefer lcd mainly for energy reasons and because of picture burn in on plasma when gaming. plasma have advantages too, for one their picture quality is incredible. I dont yet own the w4500 but with this price and with same features and more as the w4000 wont be long. this is a great deal for lcd lovers. :thumbsup:



OK lets wait & see. As I said I do hope that you are right & that this is a great TV. Posting it as the King of LCD's might just be a little over the top for a TV that none of us has seen and Sony themselves produce a TV that, as they charge more for it, they presumably believe is better. "King" implies price is irrelevant.

Fingers crossed that it is as good as you hope.

Edit: Just noticed you have changed it to best LCD for the price from "king of LCD's" or something similar. Lets hope so

Rubbish compared to a panny or pioneer plasma. Cold.

nokmond;2982888

Rubbish compared to a panny or pioneer plasma. Cold.




I too suspect it may not be as good but I don't know that it isn't.

As I am sure you have carried out a detailed comparison between this & the Pioneer/ Panasonic as the basis for your strong comment I would be very interested to hear exactly why this, as opposed to the previous model, is so inferior as I haven't seen one yet. Have you?

cmf;2982457

sony w4500 lcd general power consumption = 234wpanasonic plasma … sony w4500 lcd general power consumption = 234wpanasonic plasma th-42pz85u general power consumption= 573wcheck out linkhttp://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Televisions/VIERA-Flat-Panel-HDTVs/model.TH-42PZ85U_11002_7000000000000005702http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-40w4500#pageType=TechnicalSpecs



My Panasonic PX-60 42" plasma uses 270W so very little difference with the Sony LCD (and 2" larger)

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merlinthehappypig;2983665

My Panasonic PX-60 42" plasma uses 270W so very little difference with … My Panasonic PX-60 42" plasma uses 270W so very little difference with the Sony LCD (and 2" larger)



thants quite good tho it only has 720p hd and no 100hz

cmf;2983734

thants quite good tho it only has 720p hd and no 100hz



Please please lets not go there again. There are as many people here who think that a Panasonic plasma at 720p produces a better picture than a Sony LCD at 1080p as there are that agree with you. There are a lot of acrimonious threads to prove it.

In the end we all make our own decision. Can we leave it there?

Everytime Lcd v plasma b*llocks
Vote on this deal.
At £899 its a good deal. But add postage (free postage is upto 28 days) and then factor in no warranty you may want to shop elsewhere.

Chris52;2983086

I too suspect it may not be as good but I don't know that it isn't.As I … I too suspect it may not be as good but I don't know that it isn't.As I am sure you have carried out a detailed comparison between this & the Pioneer/ Panasonic as the basis for your strong comment I would be very interested to hear exactly why this, as opposed to the previous model, is so inferior as I haven't seen one yet. Have you?



I haven't compared them. There is no need. A ferrari is better than a golf. No need to race them to prove it. I've yet to see any lcd that looks better than a decent plasma so i have no reason to think this one does.

And who actually cares about how much power they use? I best go and and stop my tumble dryer now so i can watch my plasma for a bit, i'll have to wear my pants wet in the morning.

My personal fav is the Toshiba 40zf355 which is a 40" LCD with S-PVA panel that's also used in the Samsung A656 and Sony W4000. This is a 1080p with 100Hz panel.

PRC are doing it for £885.00 incl delivery, whereas JL are doing for £1299.00. Trying to get them to do a price match

fragaliciousbob;2982230

Is There is Difference in Energy Usage?Everyone has to play their part … Is There is Difference in Energy Usage?Everyone has to play their part in bringing down energy consumption and fortunately both plasma and LCD televisions use up to 60% less power than old CRT technology. However, if you really want to minimise your energy usage, then LCD uses slightly less than plasma.



I think you will find that LCD uses around half the power of plasma. Also the larger the TV (normally far larger than the CRTs they are replacing) the more power is consumed. So generally, someone moving from CRT to a larger plasma or LCD will find a big increase in power usage. This is factual!
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