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Sony PS-HX500 High Res Turntable at Amazon for £299
Sony PS-HX500 High Res Turntable at Amazon for £299

Sony PS-HX500 High Res Turntable at Amazon for £299

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Was 449 at release then dropped to 400 RRP.

The only turntable that can rip you vinyl to lossless formats. In fact the lowest res it will do is CD quality. The lowest!

All that would be for nought if it was a rubbish turntable. Bit it is brilliant, regularly getting 4 and 5 star reviews from HiFi publications.

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Original Poster

Also available at couple other shops for this Cyber Week price. E.g. HiFi confidential

Other retailers include Richer Sounds for same price, extra 6 year supercare is another £29.90
Sevenoaks also doing it at this price.
Voted hot.

Original Poster

Thanks for info, narry.
I ordered from Amazon even though it was OOS on Monday but was in stock yesterday, because I am a Prime member and feel it beneficial to build up my relationship with those tax dodgers because their customer service is top notch and convenient. I have bought from HiFi confidential, sevenoaks, and richer sounds and to be fair they all have given good CS.

Hmmmm this or the pioneer Plx 500....

instant_classic

Hmmmm this or the pioneer Plx 500....



plx500 easily. direct drive turntable. great reviews

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instant_classic

Hmmmm this or the pioneer Plx 500....


I see them as different machines. Sony looks better in a home setting to me. The Pioneer may look better in a teenage DJ's bedroom.
Sony is geared towards HiFi, the Pioneer towards making noise.
So it depends on what function you want it to perform.

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meditatedmonk83

Going for £268.95 in Hanley Richer Sounds: … Going for £268.95 in Hanley Richer Sounds: http://www.richersounds.com/showclearanceproduct/SONY-PSHX500/Sony+Pshx500.html


Good if you want bottom dollar, but it is open box. I would rather pay £31 more and get brand new.

FunkiestMonkey

I see them as different machines. Sony looks better in a home setting to … I see them as different machines. Sony looks better in a home setting to me. The Pioneer may look better in a teenage DJ's bedroom. Sony is geared towards HiFi, the Pioneer towards making noise. So it depends on what function you want it to perform.



the reviews would disagree on you. the PLX500 is more upgradable too. less wow and flutter on a direct drive too. a hifi purist wouldn't usually consider USB on a turntable to be something "hifi"

uni

plx500 easily. direct drive turntable. great reviews



I do like the Sony and understand where it sits in the market, but if you wanted to 'play' a little and still make decent recordings via USB, which would you chose PLX500 or Audio Technica ATLP1240USB USB DJ Turntable ?

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uni

the reviews would disagree on you. the PLX500 is more upgradable too. … the reviews would disagree on you. the PLX500 is more upgradable too. less wow and flutter on a direct drive too. a hifi purist wouldn't usually consider USB on a turntable to be something "hifi"


Correct. Not usually. USUALLY it is just convenience. But in this case, it does double DSD or lossless PCM recording. And as I said originally, that would be pointless if the original signal coming out of the player was crud. But I trust the reviews which are universally full of praise.
So there is no doubt in my mind that the Sony is more hifi and living room friendly.
I don't like my hifi to look like the deck of the starship enterprise. Don't mind my comments if you have the Pioneer. I'm just saying for hifi purposes, the Sony is a better bet.
P.S. I could not find any hifi reviews of the Pioneer.
Edited by: "FunkiestMonkey" 30th Nov 2016

FunkiestMonkey

Correct. Not usually. USUALLY it is just convenience. But in this case, … Correct. Not usually. USUALLY it is just convenience. But in this case, it does double DSD or lossless PCM recording. And as I said originally, that would be pointless if the original signal coming out of the player was crud. But I trust the reviews which are universally full of praise. So there is no doubt in my mind that the Sony is more hifi and living room friendly. I don't like my hifi to look like the deck of the starship enterprise. Don't mind my comments if you have the Pioneer. I'm just saying for hifi purposes, the Sony is a better bet. P.S. I could not find any hifi reviews of the Pioneer.



avforums.com/rev…085

there's a hifi review of the plx500

whilst you say the sony is a better bet for hifi, I disagree and say the plx500 is the better bet for hifi. you can swap out the internal phono stage on the plx but not the sony

as for looks, it's a matter of opinion really, however typically it's the sound that's most important in hifi. I can't hear what a turntable looks like. as for the DSD and PCM recording, it's irrelevant. you can connect almost any turntable up to record to digital. not everyone is interested in that, so the sony is supplying something that will have a bearing on the overall performance of the turntable, and not in a positive way, and it's not necessarily always going to be used

it's not to say the sony is a bad choice, but if it's true hifi quality sound you are after then technically the pioneer can offer better performance than the sony. better timing, less wow and flutter, less THD and more upgradable. if you do want to record vinly to digital you would obviously need a relevant soundcard or device to do that. the pioneer has put the money into the quality of the deck whilst part of the sony budget has went into offering the USB elements that may not be required

No 78 rpm

narry

I do like the Sony and understand where it sits in the market, but if you … I do like the Sony and understand where it sits in the market, but if you wanted to 'play' a little and still make decent recordings via USB, which would you chose PLX500 or Audio Technica ATLP1240USB USB DJ Turntable ?



that AT is £500 compared to the PLX500 being £300. the PLX1000 is the more comparable model pricewise at around £500

personally I have all the stuff under the sun to rip from anything, so I don't need the USB functionality. so it then depends on your budget and what else you want to do. I personally would opt for the PLX500 and get 2 of them to dj with, adding to my growing collection of turtables. two of which I dj with and the other is my "hifi" deck which I use to record vinly to digital

there's also the AT5 which is a DD model without pitch control that's similar to the sony but about £500 too. if you don't need the pitch control the AT5 may be a better option and it looks more like trad hifi whilst the LP1240 looks like a flashier version of the SL1200's - not flashy in a good way in my opinion. the pioneers look a bit more discreet

I suggest you go to a store and try them out before you buy. I wouldn't be put off by the lack of USB as you can buy a box separately if your soundcard doesn't take a phono input

Original Poster

uni, I would like to address a few misconceptions you have about this deck. I take everything you say about the Pioneer, so I do not wish to argue for this or against that. But in case others are swayed by your misinformation, I would like to point out these facts:

-The DAC contained within the Sony deck does Analogue to DSD. What is more, it is a very good DAC. I take this on face value based on a review. If you Youtube some videos you can hear how good the digital rip is, even on youtube. The pure DSD signal gets fed to a PC which can then record it as such. You cannot replicate this using a soundcard.
If you do not appreciate DSD, you can stick to PCM at the highest bitrate. 24bit192kHz I think.

-You can output the phono level signal and thus bipass the phono stage in the player, although again, in reviews the internal phono stage gets praise.

-You can swap out the cartridge if you so desire.

-I don't buy my hifi based on THD and Wow and flutter figures. In fact, a review actually says, there is no audible effect of the relatively high wow and flutter numbers.

P.S. I have a Pioneer DVD/SACD/DVD-AUDIO player and love it to bits and would happily drop £2k on a Dolby Atmos made by them, so I have nothing against Pioneer.

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P.S. I would not have paid £400 for this deck as not worth that for the USP of convenient high res recording for me. But in my opinion it is a good turntable for £299 no matter what, and at this price point, the high res digital ability is a bonus that noone else has right now.

*facepalm

Yeh 6 b.

A good price for this. I wouldn't fall for the marketing BS from Sony though. A company who released a Hi-Res SD card!

It's debatable whether people can hear the difference between CD quality and Hi-Res. The ones who say they can have very expensive sound systems in acoustically treated rooms. You're certainly not going to notice the difference on a Walkman!

Also recordings that were made to be heard on a record, were recorded and mastered to sound their best on a record. A record isn't a Hi-Res format. The noise floor and channel separation are poor compared to a CD, let alone a Hi-Res recording. Transferring a record to Hi-Res is overkill and just takes up more space on your hard drive.

Firstly, this is a HOT deal!
It was tempting at original price of £449, but at £299, I jumped on this on Friday, got it late Monday and spent yesterday ripping some of my old vinyl that has been impossible to find in 'digital' form anywhere.
I consider myself an 'audiophile' and have to say that I am very happy with the quality of sound from the Sony (comparing it against my Linn Sondek LP12 / Ittok / Koetsu Black). It obviously isn't as good, but for ease of ripping vinyl, I am more than happy.
I can't compare it against the Pioneer, but having a quick look, I can't see what the bitrate for it's USB is, and most USB turntables are just 'CD' quality (16 bit etc.), whereas to get the best out of your vinyl, you need higher rates, such as offered here by the Sony.
My only 'heads-up' is that when ripping to DSD (2.8Mhz/Single), the size of a ripped LP is about 1.6Gb!
(And I haven't noticed any issues with wow or flutter on the recordings I just made)
For quality & convenience of converting your Vinyl to Digital, I think that this is a wonderful (minimalist) product that does a fantastic job & I'm looking forward to hearing when 'out and about' my LPs.

FunkiestMonkey

uni, I would like to address a few misconceptions you have about this … uni, I would like to address a few misconceptions you have about this deck. I take everything you say about the Pioneer, so I do not wish to argue for this or against that. But in case others are swayed by your misinformation, I would like to point out these facts:-The DAC contained within the Sony deck does Analogue to DSD. What is more, it is a very good DAC. I take this on face value based on a review. If you Youtube some videos you can hear how good the digital rip is, even on youtube. The pure DSD signal gets fed to a PC which can then record it as such. You cannot replicate this using a soundcard. If you do not appreciate DSD, you can stick to PCM at the highest bitrate. 24bit192kHz I think.-You can output the phono level signal and thus bipass the phono stage in the player, although again, in reviews the internal phono stage gets praise.-You can swap out the cartridge if you so desire. -I don't buy my hifi based on THD and Wow and flutter figures. In fact, a review actually says, there is no audible effect of the relatively high wow and flutter numbers.P.S. I have a Pioneer DVD/SACD/DVD-AUDIO player and love it to bits and would happily drop £2k on a Dolby Atmos made by them, so I have nothing against Pioneer.



what misconceptions about the deck do I have? you've not listed one. I've not posted any misinformation either. furthermore, my advice to people is to see the decks in person to compare and make their own decision

most of what you have said is simply subjective and opinion rather than fact. the DAC being "very good" is subjective as opposed to you providing some facts comparing that DAC against others

whilst the sony let's you bypass the DAC and use phono, the PLX500 let's you completely change and upgrade that audio component to something potentially far more expensive than the sony and pioneer decks cost added together. in other words the pioneer can let you upgrade to a far higher quality output than the sony which doesn't have the same upgrade potential. in other words the pioneer can output a higher quality audio in order to make a higher quality digital rip than the sony can, and with potentially better timing and accuracy in records to speed and pitch, and less distortion. those are typically the things of interest to those truly interested in hifi

now if you don't take into consideration THD and wow and flutter and want to pick your hifi simply based on the review of someone else, that's your personal choice. other people consider those things to be very important, and it's worth pointing those things out to people so they can get information about it and make their own decisions

You gents have my respect.

uni

plx500 easily. direct drive turntable. great reviews



Don't see why you'd want a direct drive TT for proper listening?

less wow and flutter on a direct drive but more rumble usually, and platter noise.

uni

the reviews would disagree on you. the PLX500 is more upgradable too. … the reviews would disagree on you. the PLX500 is more upgradable too. less wow and flutter on a direct drive too. a hifi purist wouldn't usually consider USB on a turntable to be something "hifi"


Mine has a belt

Roksan TMS



Sigh, I had a Technics direct drive linear tracking turntable back in the day.
You could program it to play your lp tracks in any order like a cd, bloody good it was, then my wife bought a Sigue Sigue Sputnik album which had adverts between tracks

GDawes

less wow and flutter on a direct drive but more rumble usually, and … less wow and flutter on a direct drive but more rumble usually, and platter noise.



true, however the accuracy of speed and pitch is more important to the overall sound as far as i'm concerned. variations of speed or the speed not being correct means your audio isn't playing in the right pitch, so everything you hear is not what was intended, whilst the rumble and platter noise is usually less noticable and has less overall effect. the newer DD TT's in particular do well in avoiding this compared to older models

if you are ripping music from vinly to digital for example, test using a vinly copy of an album and make your rip and rip a cd and stick the two side by side to see the variances in length of track (using suitable software of course). this is where you will usually spot the biggest difference between belt and DD turntables. and if you are ripping to archive rare tracks you usually want to get the speed and pitch right, even if you can adjust with software

Savo

Don't see why you'd want a direct drive TT for proper listening?



as i mentioned before, less wow and flutter. or in other words DD turntables usually have better speed accuracy than belt drive turntables that can suffer from speed variations due to the belt stretching over time, or shrinking due to drying out, or being at an angle or not 100% perfect on the platter, and in some cases you can get reasonable variations if the platter doesn't have grooves to keep the belt in. when the record runs at a different speed, the pitch of the music changes and the tempo of the music changes

Finally a vinyl player that doesn't look like i wish I was a DJ.. or nostalgic..

I'm tempted

uni

as i mentioned before, less wow and flutter. or in other words DD … as i mentioned before, less wow and flutter. or in other words DD turntables usually have better speed accuracy than belt drive turntables that can suffer from speed variations due to the belt stretching over time, or shrinking due to drying out, or being at an angle or not 100% perfect on the platter, and in some cases you can get reasonable variations if the platter doesn't have grooves to keep the belt in. when the record runs at a different speed, the pitch of the music changes and the tempo of the music changes



So Linn, Roksan, Michell, Rega, VPI, Thorens, Void, Pink Triangle, etc all got it wrong.

Savo

So Linn, Roksan, Michell, Rega, VPI, Thorens, Void, Pink Triangle, etc … So Linn, Roksan, Michell, Rega, VPI, Thorens, Void, Pink Triangle, etc all got it wrong.



your words not mine

with most things in life you have options available and few things are perfect at the price point you are willing to spend, so compromises are made. it's up to the individual to choose depending on what is most important to them. we are discussing a budget range of turntables and that's often where issues with timing on belt drives will become the most apparant

If I had a budget of £250, I'd buy a belt driven Rega Planer. 1. Fantastic value and sound. If I had a fortune then I'd buy a belt driven Kronos turntable at £30,000 also belt driven. I'm sure this Sony TT also benefits from belt drive. Anyway I'm happy enough with my belt driven TMS :-)


uni

your words not minewith most things in life you have options available … your words not minewith most things in life you have options available and few things are perfect at the price point you are willing to spend, so compromises are made. it's up to the individual to choose depending on what is most important to them. we are discussing a budget range of turntables and that's often where issues with timing on belt drives will become the most apparant


Savo

If I had a budget of £250, I'd buy a belt driven Rega Planer. 1. … If I had a budget of £250, I'd buy a belt driven Rega Planer. 1. Fantastic value and sound. If I had a fortune then I'd buy a belt driven Kronos turntable at £30,000 also belt driven. I'm sure this Sony TT also benefits from belt drive. Anyway I'm happy enough with my belt driven TMS :-)



that's fine, but not everyone would make the same decision, at least not on the budget end. ultimately it's up to the individual to do their homework and make their own choices of what they want to buy

as for the sony benefitting from a belt drive, that's simply subjective

Wonderful isn't it , you buy music on vinyl , Discover how inconvenient it is and then recoded back to MP3 format or CD audio files

Original Poster

Jimbo123

Wonderful isn't it , you buy music on vinyl , Discover how inconvenient … Wonderful isn't it , you buy music on vinyl , Discover how inconvenient it is and then recoded back to MP3 format or CD audio files


Some music is worth making an effort for.
The ripping on this is in DSD, which means to all intents and purposes it sounds like vinyl, when you can't be in the same.room as your turntable.
P.s. finally set it up last night. No pops or crackles. I do brush my records before playing.
And they are quite new.

FunkiestMonkey

Some music is worth making an effort for. The ripping on this is in DSD, … Some music is worth making an effort for. The ripping on this is in DSD, which means to all intents and purposes it sounds like vinyl, when you can't be in the same.room as your turntable.P.s. finally set it up last night. No pops or crackles. I do brush my records before playing.And they are quite new.



Oh it's for the sound, right right. I take it you use one of these on your morning commute:)
I'm only messing about, I'm a hi-fi fanatic and think is a amazing bit of kit from Sony
http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sound-burger.jpg
Edited by: "Jimbo123" 3rd Dec 2016

Further to my earlier comments, I have now noticed on certain recordings some wow & flutter, enough to cause me upset & I think I might be returning it

Original Poster

I have not had any issues. I do run the signal through my AV amp and so any frequency reverbs that cause a greater audible effect of wow and flutter are probably made negligible.
Sorry it didn't work out for you.

I'm sorry to... Spent time yesterday listening on high quality headphones to all my DSD rips and could hear it quite clearly on a number of tracks, some of which I have CD versions of to compare against (as well as my memory)

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servoyguru

I'm sorry to... Spent time yesterday listening on high quality headphones … I'm sorry to... Spent time yesterday listening on high quality headphones to all my DSD rips and could hear it quite clearly on a number of tracks, some of which I have CD versions of to compare against (as well as my memory)



I listened to some DSD rips from this turntable and they sounded great. For some reason it did not work out for you.
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