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Sony Vaio P11ZW = £663.80 at Dixons + £150 cashback from Sony = £513.80 (+ 3% at topukcashback.com - another £19.90 off!)
Sony Vaio P11ZW = £663.80 at Dixons + £150 cashback from Sony = £513.80 (+ 3% at topukcashback.com - another £19.90 off!)

Sony Vaio P11ZW = £663.80 at Dixons + £150 cashback from Sony = £513.80 (+ 3% at topukcashback.com - another £19.90 off!)

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I know there will be a big argument about whether or not it is worth paying this much for what is essentially a 'netbook' BUT for the potential price of £493.90 this is a great deal for the little computer. And yes, Vista is pants but install Windows 7 on it and you will be laughing - It runs so smoothly!

You need to fill out the form below to get the cashback:

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This product is also eligible for an upgrade to a Windows 7 operating system before 31st January, 2010. Visit the Sony website for details:

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See here for specs:

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Don't forget to go via topukcaskback for a further 3%!

Vote away. Cheers Swish ;-)

40 Comments

good find for those who r interested in the overpriced netbook in the 1st place

Good price and find. Tempted.......

its very small and your friends will be impressed. dont tell them how much you paid as they will think you are dumb.

Cheapest I have seen, so hot from me.

Gingerboy;5936440

its very small and your friends will be impressed. dont tell them how … its very small and your friends will be impressed. dont tell them how much you paid as they will think you are dumb.


They wont 'think'...they'll know.

I'm a bit of a Sony fanboy and love a lot of the kit they produce, however their laptops/netbooks are always WAY overprice for what you get.

I am a Sony fan too, however after buying a very expensive Sony Vaio Laptop (AR21S for £1750 a couple of years ago) I decided it's going to be the last Sony laptop I buy.

The reason for that is because part of the price you pay for a Vaio goes for the excellent set of software that comes with it pre-installed. If you, however, decide to change the operation system, the nightmare begins. First you won't find drivers easily simply because Sony just don't bother supporting you after you pay for their over-priced laptop and secondly because you lose all the software the comes with it.

Compared to the excellent support my wife is getting for her Dell laptop, Sony support sucks and I don't mean their support team here (which sucks anyway!) but I mean the support you get from them after you buy a Vaio.

If you're thinking of buying this extremely over-priced netbook, think again. You will not be getting anything extra, compared to other netbooks, other than a pretty-looking netbook - and even that is subjective but I accept that a lot of people will find this netbook prettier than others.

For £500+ I would now expect:

Dual core Atom
>3hrs battery life (using WLAN)
HDMI output (a la Atom based Acer Revo desktop)

That said it does have things in its favour:
Looks, build quality
1600 x 768 screen resolution (if a little hard to see)
2GB RAM
Mobile broadband sim slot
Bluetooth
Win7 upgrade

Unfortunately, I feel the cons mean this netbook will become outdated v.soon.

This is a great price for anyone looking to buy one of these, although you'd have to really put form before function with this one!

The things that may make it worth the extra over a standard netbook:

[list]
[*] Smaller form factor
[*] 0.6KG weight
[*] Decent build
[*] Ridiculous 1600x768 resolution screen
[/list]

refaey;5938637

If you're thinking of buying this extremely over-priced netbook, think … If you're thinking of buying this extremely over-priced netbook, think again. You will not be getting anything extra, compared to other netbooks, other than a pretty-looking netbook - and even that is subjective but I accept that a lot of people will find this netbook prettier than others.



Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long before netbooks have and secondly you don't just get 'pretty looking' as anyone who ha actually used this machine will know. Unlike netbooks which are built cheap with particularly poor quality screens and low resolutions, the P series features a high quality, high resolution screen which is significantly better and more usable than any netbook. The build quality of the machine is also far better than the cheap plasticky netbooks built to a tight budget, with the Sony you get a better machine for your money, you're not paying for looks or the name.

John

I think Sony are releasing a more conventional netbook (W series?) with a 10" ish screen that should be around £400ish.

youtube.com/wat…4bY

Johnmcl7;5938788

Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long … Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long before netbooks have and secondly you don't just get 'pretty looking' as anyone who ha actually used this machine will know. Unlike netbooks which are built cheap with particularly poor quality screens and low resolutions, the P series features a high quality, high resolution screen which is significantly better and more usable than any netbook. The build quality of the machine is also far better than the cheap plasticky netbooks built to a tight budget, with the Sony you get a better machine for your money, you're not paying for looks or the name.John



How much resolution do you need for an 8-10" screen?

Johnmcl7;5938788

Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long … Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long before netbooks have and secondly you don't just get 'pretty looking' as anyone who ha actually used this machine will know. Unlike netbooks which are built cheap with particularly poor quality screens and low resolutions, the P series features a high quality, high resolution screen which is significantly better and more usable than any netbook. The build quality of the machine is also far better than the cheap plasticky netbooks built to a tight budget, with the Sony you get a better machine for your money, you're not paying for looks or the name.John



Wrong.

It uses the energy efficient and underpowered Intel Atom processor, which firmly places it in Netbook territory. High build and screen quality are just perks which Sony have you pay an added premium for anyway, This is a great deal but is essentially overpriced, rattling on about build quality and screen quality is just fanboy excuses. At the end of the day, you're paying for the Vaio badge.

Johnmcl7;5938788

Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long … Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long before netbooks have and secondly you don't just get 'pretty looking' as anyone who ha actually used this machine will know. Unlike netbooks which are built cheap with particularly poor quality screens and low resolutions, the P series features a high quality, high resolution screen which is significantly better and more usable than any netbook. The build quality of the machine is also far better than the cheap plasticky netbooks built to a tight budget, with the Sony you get a better machine for your money, you're not paying for looks or the name.John



It's still a netbook, it's classed as a netbook as it doesn't come with a internal drive so it's a netbook

Johnmcl7;5938788

Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long … Firstly it's not a netbook - this category of machine has existed long before netbooks have and secondly you don't just get 'pretty looking' as anyone who ha actually used this machine will know. Unlike netbooks which are built cheap with particularly poor quality screens and low resolutions, the P series features a high quality, high resolution screen which is significantly better and more usable than any netbook. The build quality of the machine is also far better than the cheap plasticky netbooks built to a tight budget, with the Sony you get a better machine for your money, you're not paying for looks or the name.John



John, I stand corrected. I didn't know this has a 1600x768 resolution. I saw it at PC World last week and apparently they've had it on a lower resolution that's why I thought it's similar to other netbooks (resolution-wise). Small resolution was one thing stopping me from buying a netbook. At this resolution I wouldn't call this a netbook. However, because of the processor and lack of internals (drive,.etc) it still belongs to the netbook world.

It also has Built-in WWAN, which is another plus.

Build quality of the Vaio's is brilliant I have to admit. However, you get similar quality from other good brands like Dell, HP and even Samsung nowadays, for less money. I am talking from experience as I have a Vaio and my wife has a Dell and while my Vaio sits on a desk almost the whole day, either at home or at work, the Dell literally gets tortured.

You can also get good quality netbooks from manufacturers like Samsung, HP,...etc - they're not all cheap and plasticky as you say.

High res screen is a major plus. I've got an EEEPC that I dont use because of my HP2133 (1280x800) netbook screen is so much better.

But even at £500 after cashback its far to much. For that price I would want a proper SSD - not the usual crap they put in.

I wouldnt run vista or win 7 - ubuntu all the way. Especially on low speed CPUs.

lot of money for what appears to be a 200 quid netbook

It's way overpriced, but it does have internal 3G and GPS, amazing resolution and a really amazing size - it's way smaller than normal netbooks. Very nice keyboard too, and it also has HD video acceleration so you can play anything, even 1080p (although not flash like iplayer/youtube).

Obviously if you don't have sharp eyesight, the resolution will make it useless. You're also going to have to stick Windows 7 on it, because Vista is a dog on that processor.

Basically, the size makes it very different from netbooks. Whether or not that's useful depends on the buyer.

I'm holding out for a touchscreen version later in the year.

this is a netbook in all but name, the reason why sony do not call it a netbook is because microsoft have set limits to what a netbook can be and what o/s is on it.
the resolution on this screen is above MS's limit and therefore cant be called a netbook, not that sony would dream of calling it that in the first place.

this is even underpowered for a netbook, as the atom in this is not even close to the power of the latest atom.

pluses
it looks pretty

negatives
everything else

reason for not buying.
common sense

johnnewhouse;5940367

this is a netbook in all but name, the reason why sony do not call it a … this is a netbook in all but name, the reason why sony do not call it a netbook is because microsoft have set limits to what a netbook can be and what o/s is on it.



No, it's a branding thing - they don't want to associate with netbooks cos they're cheap and mass-market, and this isn't. Microsoft's limitation is you can't sell XP with 2gb, which is why Sony put Vista on it - MS don't own the "netbook" trademark or anything. The resolution limit was an Intel thing (although they changed to allow 1366*768), but that didn't apply to the Z model atoms anyway.

As for the cost, a quality premium netbook is currently about 300 quid. This has much higher resolution, 2gb, internal 3G, gps, Windows 7 upgrade (worth £60-70 remember), is much lighter and is about half the size of a netbook. Is that worth £200 to you? If so, it's a decent deal.

I had a loan of one of these from work for a while, and am kinda tempted. Then again, I do really like internal 3G and 1024*600 really annoys me. For some neither are an issue. In an ideal world, I'd have the form factor of one of these, but with a dual core Atom, but you can't have everything.

hot, would be better if it had a ssd not a hdd!!, does this have built in 3g?

arfster;5940530

In an ideal world, I'd have the form factor of one of these, but with a … In an ideal world, I'd have the form factor of one of these, but with a dual core Atom, but you can't have everything.



Dual core Atom, touch screen and an SSD instead of HD would make this a dream machine for me, I'd happily pay a hefty premium for that!

The internal 3G is really nice, faffing around with an external dongle on my current netbook is a major hassle. GPS, screen resolution and size/weight are all lovely too, but for me not quite enough to justify the price.

mumbojumbo;5940638

As another comparison I bought a Dell Mini 9 with WWAN + GPS for £150.27, … As another comparison I bought a Dell Mini 9 with WWAN + GPS for £150.27, upgraded to 2GB RAM for £15 and have Windows 7 on pre-order for £40. Total cost = £205.



Hehe, exact same setup I'm using. Good deals of course, but that was a below-cost price for a model being dumped. Win7 is also no longer available at that price.

Having actually used both a fair bit though, there are definite benefits. Aside from better build quality (and having enough space to be able to store more than office), the keyboard and screen on the Sony are far better. The processor difference is essentially irrelevent, it simply wasn't noticeable for all I used it for (which means browsing and email). Was nice to be able to play videos properly though, cos the Dell can only barely handle 720p, and then only if it's low bitrate. No need to convert to lower res/bitrate beforehand, just dump the 1080p file straight onto the Vaio (and it makes for a very good video player btw, really good for planes).

Ultimately it's the size though you're paying for. The Mini9 is one of the smaller netbooks, but it's still a fair bit bigger and heavier. Sony have really nailed this element down perfectly - it's the minimum size you can have with a usable keyboard, and no more.

One thing for those thinking of buying: try the mouse nub/nipple before buying. Some people are fine with it, others hate it, and especially with this high resolution.

To be frank I'm amazed at some of the comments posted on this thread. People seem to forget that small machines existed before the netbook explosion, and they were never characterised by the hardware, rather the users requirements. Yes netbooks are an excellent option and great value for money, but the name tells you pretty much what they are meant for. Casual usage.

This may have the same processor, similar HDD, similar connectivity. But it has built in WWAN and a useable screen resolution for those of us that need a mobile machine for more then just browsing and casual use. And all this in a form factor that truely is carry anywhere and actually useable.

Now the question was asked how much resolution does one need in a notebook this size. Well I want even more then the P can offer, but its miles ahead of anything else in this size. And before someone asks why, have you ever tried navigating a large spreadsheet on a 1024x768 screen? Have you every tried debugging a device where you need a log window open and a config window open? Have you ever tried looking at a protocol log to determine which device is performing out of spec?

In short, if you need more then one window open at a time, or you neeed to look through large amounts of information, you'll soon find you can never have enough screen resolution.

Having said all that, let me pose some questions for the nay sayers. If you need more screen real estate then the conventional netbook offers, would you rather have the Vaio P or a 1.6/1.86ghz Atom?

Does the constant scrolling/switching windows impact your productivity more then the extra minute you lose on bootup/the seconds you lose opening a window/? How much are those £'s you saved worth when a client calls you and you can't log straight on because your netbook doesn't fit in your jacket pocket/glove compartment/girlfriends bag (because we all know they carry one all the time but getting any space in it is like pulling teeth), so you left it in the hotel/car/home?

I've been waiting for a machine like this for years and quite frankly I would have paid twice the RRP. Because there simply is no alternative in this country. Even the Japanese imports cant touch it yet.

P.S. This originally started as a purely mobile machine for me, but its such a pleasure to use given the form factor, its pretty much my main machine now. My only real gripe is that theres enough room in the bezel for the screen to be bigger and possibly offer 1920 horizontal res at the same DPI. Infact It wouldn't have to be much bigger to offer full WUXGA res.

Mentos;5943892

To be frank I'm amazed at some of the comments posted on this thread. … To be frank I'm amazed at some of the comments posted on this thread. People seem to forget that small machines existed before the netbook explosion, and they were never characterised by the hardware, rather the users requirements. Yes netbooks are an excellent option and great value for money, but the name tells you pretty much what they are meant for. Casual usage.This may have the same processor, similar HDD, similar connectivity. But it has built in WWAN and a useable screen resolution for those of us that need a mobile machine for more then just browsing and casual use. And all this in a form factor that truely is carry anywhere and actually useable.Now the question was asked how much resolution does one need in a notebook this size. Well I want even more then the P can offer, but its miles ahead of anything else in this size. And before someone asks why, have you ever tried navigating a large spreadsheet on a 1024x768 screen? Have you every tried debugging a device where you need a log window open and a config window open? Have you ever tried looking at a protocol log to determine which device is performing out of spec? In short, if you need more then one window open at a time, or you neeed to look through large amounts of information, you'll soon find you can never have enough screen resolution.Having said all that, let me pose some questions for the nay sayers. If you need more screen real estate then the conventional netbook offers, would you rather have the Vaio P or a 1.6/1.86ghz Atom? Does the constant scrolling/switching windows impact your productivity more then the extra minute you lose on bootup/the seconds you lose opening a window/? How much are those £'s you saved worth when a client calls you and you can't log straight on because your netbook doesn't fit in your jacket pocket/glove compartment/girlfriends bag (because we all know they carry one all the time but getting any space in it is like pulling teeth), so you left it in the hotel/car/home?I've been waiting for a machine like this for years and quite frankly I would have paid twice the RRP. Because there simply is no alternative in this country. Even the Japanese imports cant touch it yet.P.S. This originally started as a purely mobile machine for me, but its such a pleasure to use given the form factor, its pretty much my main machine now. My only real gripe is that theres enough room in the bezel for the screen to be bigger and possibly offer 1920 horizontal res at the same DPI. Infact It wouldn't have to be much bigger to offer full WUXGA res.



BTW, I'm not knocking netbooks, I have a NC10 and its a brilliant machine. But compare like for like. Its silly to rule out the key differentiators of this machine and then moan about the price difference between other machines. Could any niche product stand upto such a comparission?

Forgot to mention, if there doing this a Dixons Tax Free and your VAT registered, you could knock another %15 of the initial price (assuming your flying within the EU).

Teh Lemur;5940877

Dual core Atom, touch screen and an SSD instead of HD would make this a … Dual core Atom, touch screen and an SSD instead of HD would make this a dream machine for me, I'd happily pay a hefty premium for that!The internal 3G is really nice, faffing around with an external dongle on my current netbook is a major hassle. GPS, screen resolution and size/weight are all lovely too, but for me not quite enough to justify the price.



Absolutely, I completely agree.

Touch screen be great! HDMI would be also be useful.

The problem is, to get the nextgen Vaio P with dualcore atom, etcetc, it's going back to full RRP, ie well over 1k :-(

Maybe Acer or someone will copy the form factor :-)

arfster;5945881

The problem is, to get the nextgen Vaio P with dualcore atom, etcetc, … The problem is, to get the nextgen Vaio P with dualcore atom, etcetc, it's going back to full RRP, ie well over 1k :-(Maybe Acer or someone will copy the form factor :-)



I think the issue is its a niche market. Therefore it will always draw a premium no matter who makes it.

Smaller, has pretty much always meant more expensive in the laptop market. And theres always been a trade off with features to boot. Netbooks have simply shifted that line. You can now have a small laptop at very competitive prices. But for those that need that next step down in size and screen res, there will be a premium. I'm just glad there's finally a machine that ticks most of the boxes (All day battery life, integrated WWAN, useable keyboard, high res display, truely carry anywhere form factor) on a wanted llist I've had for several years.

Also if you search for benchmarks you'll find the processor isn't the main limiting factor in the 1.33 Atom P series. Its actually the HDD. If you change the HDD for the SSD it closes the GAP significantly between the machines equiped with the faster processors.

slashgear.com/son…41/

Obviously if you can get a dualcore equiped Vaio P, which doesn't compromise run time on battery or form factor it would be welcome. But given how rarely I think damn I wish I had a faster processor, its not really at the top of my list. I'd rather see a more robust case material. A screen that fills the whole bezel, but at the same DPI, therefore increasing resolution. However, I have a horrible feeling they will infact trim things back, reducing the screen res for example, in order to make it more competitively priced.

If this was around £300 - I would be seriously tempted. Does it make a good ebook reader?

bert1000;5946529

If this was around £300 - I would be seriously tempted. Does it make a … If this was around £300 - I would be seriously tempted. Does it make a good ebook reader?



I wouldn't recommend an LCD or LED for reading books. I was skeptical about the eBook readers thing until I bought a Sony PRS-505 recently and it's a whole different experience to reading books on a laptop screen. I can't put my PRS-505 down now and I'm becoming a reading machine because of it.

Mentos;5945947

I think the issue is its a niche market. Therefore it will always draw a … I think the issue is its a niche market. Therefore it will always draw a premium no matter who makes it.



Possibly - although people thought that about what used to be called ultraportables ....... and are now called netbooks. Make them cheap enough and they become mainstream.
It's likely the issue is whether the motherboard and internals can be sourced cheaply and made in vast quantities, or whether they have to be custom made. There's a reason netbooks haven't gone smaller then 9": the size of the components inside, which are essentially the same in all of them.

arfster;5948103

Possibly - although people thought that about what used to be called … Possibly - although people thought that about what used to be called ultraportables ....... and are now called netbooks. Make them cheap enough and they become mainstream.It's likely the issue is whether the motherboard and internals can be sourced cheaply and made in vast quantities, or whether they have to be custom made. There's a reason netbooks haven't gone smaller then 9": the size of the components inside, which are essentially the same in all of them.



Well the second part is what I'm essentially alluding to by saying its a niche market.

IMO netbooks are a new segment aside from ultraportables, made possible by mainstream hardware improvements (namely the Atom). I would class the Core Solo/Duo equiped ultra portables as large fully featured ultraportables. And I would class the P as an ultraportable netbook. The reason I class these products in this manner is that they have one thing in common, they are smaller then the average machine with similar specs, and a few niche targeted features thrown in.

I don't think a small laptop is a nich product. I think the niche products are the ones that are that bit smaller then the mainstream products with similar architecture and include features the mainstream products generally dont. In the case of the P it would be integrated WWAN and high res screen.

Obviously there will be another set of improvements in hardware which will make a Vaio P equivelant much cheaper to make and then prices will improve. But then the segment the Vaio P will move on aswell. For example you'll probably see a Vaio P equivelant with dual core Atoms and hte equivelant mainstream attempt with standard Atoms.

The high res screen option I fear for. Its not because its not usefull for the average user. The issue is most people are initially put off by high density screens until they get used to them. I've experienced this with colleagues who initially thought my 15" WUXGA screen was unuseable but have now largely moved over to the same density screens. And now they are all coming around to the Vaio P screen. But most people don't have that first hand example and misinformation on the web means the added cost of the high res option seems obscene and off putting.

I find it ironic that the same people who espouse the benefits of going up the processor ladder will deride machines equiped with high res/densiy screens stating they are unuseable. IMO few people hit the limits of the average processor for key use, and would therefore benefit far more from using a higher res screen.

Ofcourse all thiis is just my opinion, but I hope it makes people rethink. As I would hate to see the market take a step back, having waited so long for something like the P to show up. It unfortunately is a possibility given the performance of the P in the market place (some of it deserved ofcourse, but much of it due to scaremongering about the screen being un-useable :().

mumbojumbo;5949577

The problem isn't one of high resolution screens per se. Great - it … The problem isn't one of high resolution screens per se. Great - it makes for a better visual experience. It's when people try to espouse the idea that the greater resolution on a smaller screen is desirable as it allows more information/text to fit onto the screen. An Excel spreadsheet on a 10" 1024 x 600 resolution screen is just about tolerable, but to want to cram twice as much on by having 2 worksheets side-by-side on a considerably smaller screen?? Well, that's like reading microfiche without a microfiche reader. Bizarre. :? Additionally, the 25:12 ratio of the screen is more akin to that found on a mobile phone/tablet rather than a TV screen or photograph. Not the most natural format and not the easiest to get used to.



I'm unsure if you've actually used this screen or one of similar density, but it does appear you've ignored what I've written?

As I've already stated I use this machine as my daily machine now. My colleagues in the office have no issues using it either and many are actually trying to get one. Yet faced with these examples you chose to liken the screen to microfiche. Microfiche is generally unreadable by the naked eye, therefore given the earlier examples I would suggest it is your comments that are bizare.

Essentially you have illustrated my point about the ill informed comments made by people on the subject of screen density.

mumbojumbo;5949577

Who are the niche market anyway? People who want the best in cutting … Who are the niche market anyway? People who want the best in cutting edge technology? Well this ain't it. This is the entry-level model in the P-series line, with the slowest processor and HDD instead of SSD. It's a compromised machine, which places a mixture of high and low-end components into a small form factor at a (barely) affordable price. The high res screen is a smokescreen. What they don't tell you that this lacks even basic features such as onboard ethernet or VGA output and that you need an optional adapter to enable these.



One again you appear to have ignored my comments and instead used my posts as an opportunity to have a moan about what this machine lacks.

When exactly did I suggest the niche market was people who want cutting edge technology?

The niche market is those who need the same architecture in a smaller package. That has been a well defined market segment in the laptop market pretty much since it began. It has rarely been characterised by the fastest processors or hardware in general. It has almost always meant paying more, then the equivelant hardware in a bigger package.

As someone who works in the field of embedded design I would consider delivering a product in a significantly smaller package as cutting edge. Infact its something we are often contracted to do.

WRT to your comments, mine did come with the VGA/ethernet dongle and they did tell me about it. A little unsure who it is that you believe "don't tell" you about the need for this dongle, perhaps you could clarify? Perhaps you could also explain how one could fit those connections on a machine of this size given the base is 1.1cm and an ethernet port is almost 1cm in height?

And perhaps you could go back and read my previous posts this time and address the questions I posed to those who repeatedly moan about the 1.33 Atom.

What are the real world performance differences?

I'll give you the benefit of my real world experience between this and my NC10 equiped with a faster Atom. The P takes about 30 seconds longer to boot. It boots from sleep mode about 5 seconds slower. (I imagine the OS is responsible for some of this difference). The difference in speed of opening IE, SSH terminal is not noticeable (I would imagine in the order of a second or two). VNC takes about 5 seconds longer to open. Outlook is hard to judge but in most cases the difference is not noticeable, however it can take an eternity on either machine sometimes (I have a large file and when outlook doesn't close properly it can hang on restart on any of my machines, even the dualcore ones).

Does that affect my productivity? Ofcourse it does. But only marginally.

On the other hand, working on the lower res NC10 greatly affects my productivity. Writing a document where I have to reference other material is significantly slower, to the extent where I often won't bother doing it until I'm back at my other machine. Working with a large spreadsheet is the same. Debugging issues with devices where I often need more then one session open is also significantly slower. Even basic research on the web is slower, as I often need to cross reference various sites. Even chatting with a few friends on IM while working is slower.

And then the trump card, this with a built in WWAN card, full keyboard, high res screen, 6 hours of run time (with the extended battery) fits in my jacket pocket.

I hope you now understand why some of us are prepared to pay significantly more for this machine. Not because we are posers and fan boys, but because it presents significant advantages over cheaper netbooks.

mumbojumbo;5949577

The problem isn't one of high resolution screens per se. Great - it … The problem isn't one of high resolution screens per se. Great - it makes for a better visual experience. It's when people try to espouse the idea that the greater resolution on a smaller screen is desirable as it allows more information/text to fit onto the screen.


Erm, it is desireable for precisely that reason :?
mumbojumbo;5949577

An Excel spreadsheet on a 10" 1024 x 600 resolution screen is just about … An Excel spreadsheet on a 10" 1024 x 600 resolution screen is just about tolerable, but to want to cram twice as much on by having 2 worksheets side-by-side on a considerably smaller screen?? Well, that's like reading microfiche without a microfiche reader. Bizarre. :?


What... ?
You can't read microfiche without a microfiche reader, whereas the high-res Vaio screen is perfectly readable.
Of course you want to "cram twice as much on" to the screen - that's exactly why high resolution screens are a good thing.

A serious question : Have you had an eye test recently ?
mumbojumbo;5949577

The high res screen is a smokescreen.


Are you actually reading the posts you're replying to
mumbojumbo;5949577

What they don't tell you that this lacks even basic features such as … What they don't tell you that this lacks even basic features such as onboard ethernet or VGA output and that you need an optional adapter to enable these.


So you're saying you'd rather the machine was bigger, heavier, and less portable, and included VGA outputs and wired Ethernet ports, even though the vast majority of folk would never use these ? That would be ... silly !

I'd probably pay almost double for this. Even though I already have a Thinkpad X61s and a Acer Aspire one.

What I like about the Sony is the resolution which for people who actually WORK and make money from their PCs will pay for itself in no time. 1024x768 on my Thinkpad is fine for browsing, but try emailing and dev work on it and it's a pain. Plus with the extended battery it's not so light. The Aspire one is ok, but its cheapness shows. Then there's the compact size of the Sony, great for putting in my partners handbag so I don't even have to carry it.

Also integrated 3g will be nice as the o2 usb stick I just bought really sucks up power and hopefully the Sony will be better.

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Then there's the compact size of the Sony, great for putting in my … Then there's the compact size of the Sony, great for putting in my partners handbag so I don't even have to carry it.



Thats exactly what I do. Although getting space in their handbags is like pulling teeth. For some reason they'd rather carry them empty, then let you put something in there :roll:

The P will fit in all her handbags and she hates that

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Also integrated 3g will be nice as the o2 usb stick I just bought really … Also integrated 3g will be nice as the o2 usb stick I just bought really sucks up power and hopefully the Sony will be better.



Its got pretty decent battery life. The model I got came with the extended and standard battery. Run times are approx:

Standard: 2 - 3 hours ( I usually get somehwere in the middle, depending on settings)
Extended: 6 hours (give or take 20-30 minutes depending on settings)

Given the size of the battery's, you can actually carry both quite easily.

3G knocks about ~15% off that, depending on how heavy/sustained your data usage is. But I haven't really used it for the whole day, so can't give accurate numbers. Its usually an hour here or there, which makes it hard to judge how much its really draining.

I can't reiterate how happy I am Sony made this machine, been waiting so long for something like this. Like you, i'd have paid twice as much if I'd had too.

Thanks for the battery info Mentos, that answers some questions I had.

Another question is, does anyone know if the cash-back voucher comes in the box or if it's enough just to print it out online, or does the retailer give you one on purchase?

As I could have found it even cheaper but am not sure a claim form will be included with the purchase.

Importantly Terms and conditions states:

"Only original claim forms will be accepted.", which doesn't look good.

Well anyway, the deal is if your local House of Fraser has one in stock it should be £649 there, so it works out a bit cheaper with the cash back.

I rang the online HOF store and they couldn't say whether the voucher offer applied there or not, but if it does, you'd also be able to get 5% of the 649 off from Quidco. So about £467 (inc VAT exc P&P)

Edit: Think it's out of stock online, but still a good deal if your local one has in stock.

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Well anyway, the deal is if your local House of Fraser has one in stock … Well anyway, the deal is if your local House of Fraser has one in stock it should be £649 there, so it works out a bit cheaper with the cash back.I rang the online HOF store and they couldn't say whether the voucher offer applied there or not, but if it does, you'd also be able to get 5% of the 649 off from Quidco. So about £467 (inc VAT exc P&P)Edit: Think it's out of stock online, but still a good deal if your local one has in stock.



The other thing you may want to consider is purchasing from Dixons Tax Free, if you are buying this for a VAT registered business.

Not sure if they sell this model, but they do have the next one up on there site:

dixonstaxfree.co.uk/ind…012

Hardware is the same, but it includes the extended battery aswell and Vista Business.

£782.60 - 15% VAT = £680.53

If the £150 off applies aswell then it becomes £530.53. If you need the extended battery, its probably a better deal if the £150 off applies and you can claim the VAT back.

Would be even better if they do the other model, but I can't see it on the website.
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