Specialized Allez 2016 E5 Road Bike in Monster Green with Claris and Carbon Forks (£300 on the cycle to work scheme) or £450 instore @ SCS
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Specialized Allez 2016 E5 Road Bike in Monster Green with Claris and Carbon Forks (£300 on the cycle to work scheme) or £450 instore @ SCS

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Found 5th Sep 2016
This is my first road bike, i am a complete novice so fogive me if i miss any important info.

I picked the bike up from the Specialized concept store in Chester. Its been reduced to £450. I bought it on the cycle to work scheme which reduces the cost to £300 or £25 a month for 12 months. They had various sizes available, i went for a 61cm xl.

The only colour available is monster green, but it looks awsome!

Staff confirmed this as a national deal available in all specialized concept stores depending on what stock is left.

I have been looking for a cheap road bike for a while to try it out and this seemed much better than anything else i have seen for £300

The Allez E5 has everything you need to get out on the road and start going fast. With its E5 Premium Aluminium frame featuring fully manipulated tubing, coupled with a reliable Shimano value build, it's an awesome option for newer riders looking to increase their performance.

E5 Premium Aluminium frame features fully manipulated tubing with smooth welds that increase stiffness and efficiency, while looking just as good as it performs.

Specialized FACT carbon fork with alloy crown and steerer provides all the stiffness and ride benefits of carbon in a more accessible package.

The Shimano Claris 2400 crankset provides reliable shifting and power transfer for all levels of riders.

30 Comments

Great starter bike, bargain

Great first bike

I'm not really sure you can put it up as a deal for £300 if you got on cycle to work scheme

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rodney_jxl

I'm not really sure you can put it up as a deal for £300 if you got on … I'm not really sure you can put it up as a deal for £300 if you got on cycle to work scheme


I have listed it as £300 or £450, plus most people can get cycle to work.

HUX1

I have listed it as £300 or £450, plus most people can get cycle to work.



Gone are the days when cycle to work value your bike as £0 at the end of the 12 months so it's likely that it will be more than £300 in the end.

HUX1

I have listed it as £300 or £450, plus most people can get cycle to work.


At 450 you are buying - 300 is your saving to lease and if you pull out in under 4 years will have other costs - others will save closer to 50% - then there are the other schemes other companies use that are tied to specific vendors - agree with Rodney less misleading to place the discount price without what your company and salary offers you specifically.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 6th Sep 2016

It's misleading to use the "cycle to work scheme" discounted price in the title. If you look at the other bicycle deals here, they're listed using the shop's price.

HUX1

I have listed it as £300 or £450, plus most people can get cycle to work.



Most people I know cannot get the bike to work scheme, there are lots of big companies who provide it, but far fewer small companies, anyone on minimum wage can't get it - one of the rules is that after the salary deduction you do not drop below minimum wage, and it's likely that if you're self employed you wouldn't set one up either, simply because the cost, administration or the minimum wage rule will get in your way.

It was a great scheme in the early days, but far less valuable now, especially if you don't plan to stick at one company for many years.

Doesn't change this being a nice cheap entry bike, but the actual price should be the headline figure.

mike

mbuckhurst

Most people I know cannot get the bike to work scheme, there are lots of … Most people I know cannot get the bike to work scheme, there are lots of big companies who provide it, but far fewer small companies, anyone on minimum wage can't get it - one of the rules is that after the salary deduction you do not drop below minimum wage, and it's likely that if you're self employed you wouldn't set one up either, simply because the cost, administration or the minimum wage rule will get in your way.It was a great scheme in the early days, but far less valuable now, especially if you don't plan to stick at one company for many years.Doesn't change this being a nice cheap entry bike, but the actual price should be the headline figure.mike



Exactly why it's a farce. Should be accessible by every single tax payer in the country regardless of employer or salary

sparklehedgehog

Exactly why it's a farce. Should be accessible by every single tax payer … Exactly why it's a farce. Should be accessible by every single tax payer in the country regardless of employer or salary



Too right. We should be doing all we can to encourage cycling, not bind it up with copious amounts of red tape.
Today's headline is about a possible link of diesel fumes to alzeimers. Makes me wonder how much evidence of the damage caused by car fumes is required before real action is taken in this country.

Original Poster

Bertz99

At 450 you are buying - 300 is your saving to lease and if you pull out … At 450 you are buying - 300 is your saving to lease and if you pull out in under 4 years will have other costs - others will save closer to 50% - then there are the other schemes other companies use that are tied to specific vendors - agree with Rodney less misleading to place the discount price without what your company and salary offers you specifically.



I have it in writing that the bike will cost me £25 per month for twelve months (£300) then the bike is mine. There are no other fees or cost to pay. Seems like a no brainer to me. The only sticking point is if you leave your job before the bike is paid you have to pay the outstanding balance at the origonal price

HUX1

I have it in writing that the bike will cost me £25 per month for twelve … I have it in writing that the bike will cost me £25 per month for twelve months (£300) then the bike is mine. There are no other fees or cost to pay. Seems like a no brainer to me. The only sticking point is if you leave your job before the bike is paid you have to pay the outstanding balance at the origonal price


Yet the store get a £450 payment - the £300 you quote is to lease a bike you do not own so the payment is taken from your salary prior to tax to get the full amount. In the next 4 years if you want to leave the company or get another bike on the scheme (being a novice as you state there may be a good chance) then you will have to pay the assets tax value at that moment in time or return the goods at your cost that you do not own - how is that presented in your title of £300? perhaps changing your title to "£300 to lease or £450 to buy" would be more accurate although most people would give shop price and leave description as you have it about your excitement of finding cycle to work (p.s. ride to work the lease after 12 months you can leave company and continue as the extension stays between you and evans not your company).

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Bertz99

Yet the store get a £450 payment - the £300 you quote is to lease a bike y … Yet the store get a £450 payment - the £300 you quote is to lease a bike you do not own so the payment is taken from your salary prior to tax to get the full amount. In the next 4 years if you want to leave the company or get another bike on the scheme (being a novice as you state there may be a good chance) then you will have to pay the assets tax value at that moment in time or return the goods at your cost that you do not own - how is that presented in your title of £300? perhaps changing your title to "£300 to lease or £450 to buy" would be more accurate although most people would give shop price and leave description as you have it about your excitement of finding cycle to work (p.s. ride to work the lease after 12 months you can leave company and continue as the extension stays between you and evans not your company).



I have it in writing that owenership is transfered to me in twelve months. Not quite sure where the 4 years comes from. Also states the cost of transfer, £0.00. I am a complete novice when it comes to cycling, but i know how to read a contract. I am aware theres more than 1 scheme, so maybee this is the case for other schemes.

I have listed both prices in the title, as although not everybody is elligable for cycle to work, millions of people are. Most people dont even realise there eligable.

HUX1

I have it in writing that owenership is transfered to me in twelve … I have it in writing that owenership is transfered to me in twelve months. Not quite sure where the 4 years comes from. Also states the cost of transfer, £0.00. I am a complete novice when it comes to cycling, but i know how to read a contract. I am aware theres more than 1 scheme, so maybee this is the case for other schemes. I have listed both prices in the title, as although not everybody is elligable for cycle to work, millions of people are. Most people dont even realise there eligable.


All the schemes have to abide by the rules laid out by HMRC. The key terms are fair market value in transfer of ownership and extending the hire purchase - search for "Cycle to work scheme implementation guidance" on the governments website and read section 8 (this is what you company should have done and be presenting to you).

Specifically transfer of ownership and fair market values are the rules your company has to follow
Reality is at end of 12 months there will be normally 3 options presented:
1) extend the hire period for a further period (3 years norm to negate the fair market value) at no cost - the rub here is the bike is still not yours.
2) transfer ownership to yourself at market value being paid by you
3) return goods to owner at your cost (companies normally don't really want the goods so make this unattractive)

jamgin

Too right. We should be doing all we can to encourage cycling, not bind … Too right. We should be doing all we can to encourage cycling, not bind it up with copious amounts of red tape.Today's headline is about a possible link of diesel fumes to alzeimers. Makes me wonder how much evidence of the damage caused by car fumes is required before real action is taken in this country.



They could go a long way just by making bicycles zero rated, I'm sure that would kick start a massive increase in first and second bike purchases.

You'd hope Theresa May might listen to our top cyclists: bbc.co.uk/new…352

but the big problem is attitude, I get shouted at for being on the road, shouted at for choosing a pavement (I usually ride on the pavement because I'm with my kids or it simply because getting of the road makes it easier for car drivers), sometimes I even wonder if I'm wearing Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility. I get shouted at for not paying road tax, even though I've probably paid more tax in my life than that imbecile in the 2001 BMW doing the shouting.

Then you just have to look at the comments you get on some of the cycling threads here or Facebook, the amount of anger directed at cyclists is terrible, since mostly they're careful, follow the rules as much as any car driver and generally improve the environment for everyone.

mike

mbuckhurst

They could go a long way just by making bicycles zero rated, I'm sure … They could go a long way just by making bicycles zero rated, I'm sure that would kick start a massive increase in first and second bike purchases.You'd hope Theresa May might listen to our top cyclists: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37242352but the big problem is attitude, I get shouted at for being on the road, shouted at for choosing a pavement (I usually ride on the pavement because I'm with my kids or it simply because getting of the road makes it easier for car drivers), sometimes I even wonder if I'm wearing Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility. I get shouted at for not paying road tax, even though I've probably paid more tax in my life than that imbecile in the 2001 BMW doing the shouting.Then you just have to look at the comments you get on some of the cycling threads here or Facebook, the amount of anger directed at cyclists is terrible, since mostly they're careful, follow the rules as much as any car driver and generally improve the environment for everyone.mike



I'm an experienced city cyclist, but it still feels dangerous. A cyclist is no less vulnerable than someone pushing a pram down the road.

Encouraging more people to take up cycling is all well and good, but there needs to be a corresponding improvement in infrastructure to protect all these new cyclists who are at risk of serious injury or death.

On the positive side, I am starting to to see improvements in my city, Aberdeen- there are at least a couple of busy roads here that now have cycle lanes painted on the pavement.

There are still lots of roads that are scary and dangerous for cyclists though. Until more cycle lanes are created, I believe the best solution is to make it legal for cyclists to ride on pavements beside busy roads, as long as they moderate their speed.
Edited by: "Muig1972" 6th Sep 2016

this is a deal for hukd ....

Bertz99

All the schemes have to abide by the rules laid out by HMRC. The key … All the schemes have to abide by the rules laid out by HMRC. The key terms are fair market value in transfer of ownership and extending the hire purchase - search for "Cycle to work scheme implementation guidance" on the governments website and read section 8 (this is what you company should have done and be presenting to you).Specifically transfer of ownership and fair market values are the rules your company has to followReality is at end of 12 months there will be normally 3 options presented:1) extend the hire period for a further period (3 years norm to negate the fair market value) at no cost - the rub here is the bike is still not yours.2) transfer ownership to yourself at market value being paid by you3) return goods to owner at your cost (companies normally don't really want the goods so make this unattractive)



The key here is that HMRC has clarified the market value to be used to effect the transfer under your option 2. For a bike of this price, it will be 18% of the value of the bike if done at the end of the original 12 month lease period. This rises to 25% for bikes over £500 in value. This, plus the fact that my employer didn't pass on all the NIC savings meant that I tended to just buy bikes in the normal way.

mbuckhurst

They could go a long way just by making bicycles zero rated, I'm sure … They could go a long way just by making bicycles zero rated, I'm sure that would kick start a massive increase in first and second bike purchases.You'd hope Theresa May might listen to our top cyclists: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37242352but the big problem is attitude, I get shouted at for being on the road, shouted at for choosing a pavement (I usually ride on the pavement because I'm with my kids or it simply because getting of the road makes it easier for car drivers), sometimes I even wonder if I'm wearing Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility. I get shouted at for not paying road tax, even though I've probably paid more tax in my life than that imbecile in the 2001 BMW doing the shouting.Then you just have to look at the comments you get on some of the cycling threads here or Facebook, the amount of anger directed at cyclists is terrible, since mostly they're careful, follow the rules as much as any car driver and generally improve the environment for everyone.mike



3 years of cycling to work and I've still not got used to the abuse and anger directed at me on a weekly and sometimes daily basis.

stephenashforth

The key here is that HMRC has clarified the market value to be used to … The key here is that HMRC has clarified the market value to be used to effect the transfer under your option 2. For a bike of this price, it will be 18% of the value of the bike if done at the end of the original 12 month lease period. This rises to 25% for bikes over £500 in value. This, plus the fact that my employer didn't pass on all the NIC savings meant that I tended to just buy bikes in the normal way.


useful bit of more info for those unaware and fully agree although there are more valuations depending if you pull out of the extended hire purchase after taking option 1 (i.e. leave the company before the 4 years) - section 8 of the gov doc does lead to the 2 further publications with FMV matrix being gov.uk/gov…pdf but decided above was enough from me for those wanting to find the facts governing the cycles schemes implementations.


Edited by: "Bertz99" 6th Sep 2016

Riding on pavements oO a big No no..

I'm amazed at all the non helmet wearers on my commute to work, it seems only the smart and professional looking cyclist wear a helmet these days..

Motorist dislike cyclists for generally riding defensively,like going through red lights when its perfectly safe to do so and not waiting for a lorry to squash you when turning.There is times when riding the pavement may be safer but even when the roads are safe and smooth by us when walking there is usually a big lump of an mtb missing you by inches.

whatyadoinsucka

Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet … Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet wearers on my commute to work, it seems only the smart and professional looking cyclist wear a helmet these days..


I used to think the same then discovered the pavements I saw cyclists on we're actually cycles routes/paths

whatyadoinsucka

Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet … Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet wearers on my commute to work, it seems only the smart and professional looking cyclist wear a helmet these days..



I think as a cyclist you've got to be pragmatic, I won't ride on a pavement unless it's going to be for safety or getting out of the way of cars, there's a number of times I'm holding up a queue of traffic on a narrow road section, if it's safe and there are no pedestrians, I'll jump on the pavement and allow the cars through.

If I'm cycling with my kids, they obviously ride on the pavement in busy sections of their routes, in which case sometimes, if I stay on the road, I'm not in a position to act if something goes wrong, plus, cycling with kids at 10 mph, whilst on the road, is only causing an inconvenience to the cars, especially since by definition, it would be busy hence the kids not riding on it. If I'm on my own, on a racing bike doing 25-30mph then I'm not ever going to jump on a pavement.

Some of my routes have combined pavement and cycling, but don't bother to tell you when it starts or ends, all there are, are the signs to indicate combined pavements, what the pedestrians or cyclists are supposed to do, is left to the imagination.

Red lights are a big no no, in my view, mostly, not because it's dangerous, because lets face it, it's going to be the cyclist that dies in a collision, but because it is so obviously wrong, it upsets drivers who see it, and an upset driver is likely to be less forgiving of a reasonable cyclist further down the road. Equally well, I walk daily into my local town, and cross at a pedestrian crossing, the number of cars that run the light either on amber or red is amazing, usually in a queue of traffic so could safely stop if they weren't in a 'hurry' to get to the next queue 100 yards further along.

It would help if the police would prosecute more often, in 30 years of cycling round Manchester, I've had 2 serious accidents, caused by a driver, in one case the police did nothing, the other, only bothered to investigate because the driver did a runner and moved to Spain, only to get caught when he came back. Even then when it went to court, it was obvious the defence solicitor hadn't a clue about cycling and was uses all sorts of false arguments, which I think were designed to confuse me and the magistrates, it didn't work and he got a big fine and lost a shed load of points, but all in all it was a terrible experience for me.

mike
Edited by: "mbuckhurst" 7th Sep 2016

whatyadoinsucka

Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet … Riding on pavements oO a big No no.. I'm amazed at all the non helmet wearers on my commute to work, it seems only the smart and professional looking cyclist wear a helmet these days..



A lot of people do not believe helmets work and there is a lot of evidence to suggest drivers are less careful when overtaking helmeted cyclists. Personally having destroyed a helmet in a crash, I would never go without nor allow my kids to ride without, but I think you've got to allow the choice.

mike

As you insist on keeping the misleading title that infers online is 300 rather than true 450 that this item has been in lots of places for a while (449 in hargroves) as the 2017 models come. I will take the time to state why, imo, this at best a middling a deal.

The strong postive is its frame (spesh are considered one of the leading brands especially with aluminium as can be seen in the off road competition models they do), the negatives are the components including the woeful brakes - at this price your deal has alot tied in the brand alternatives include merlin pr7, tribal 520 (540 in last sale was also good) or what I would go for would be wiggle own brand verenti technique tiagra also on sale. The latter comes with complete latest tiagra 4700 groupset (two groupsets above the incomplete claris the spesh comes with). If/when you want to move upgrade from the clunky 8 speed groupset on the spesh you will find you will need to change alot more components rather than incrementally by having the significantly better baseline of the 10 speed tiagra - all these companies are part of cycle scheme so same discount schemes available.

Edited by: "Bertz99" 7th Sep 2016

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Bertz99

As you insist on keeping the misleading title that infers online is 300 … As you insist on keeping the misleading title that infers online is 300 rather than true 450 that this item has been in lots of places for a while (449 in hargroves) as the 2017 models come. I will take the time to state why, imo, this at best a middling a deal. The strong postive is its frame (spesh are considered one of the leading brands especially with aluminium as can be seen in the off road competition models they do), the negatives are the components including the woeful brakes - at this price your deal has alot tied in the brand alternatives include merlin pr7, tribal 520 (540 in last sale was also good) or what I would go for would be wiggle own brand verenti technique tiagra also on sale. The latter comes with complete latest tiagra 4700 groupset (two groupsets above the incomplete claris the spesh comes with). If/when you want to move upgrade from the clunky 8 speed groupset on the spesh you will find you will need to change alot more components rather than incrementally by having the significantly better baseline of the 10 speed tiagra - all these companies are part of cycle scheme so same discount schemes available.



Your wrong, The bike comes with Carbon Forks and full claris! (They even say carbon forks on them!) the brakes seem to do a good job of stopping as well! I also havent found 1 negative review about components failing but fortunatley they are covered by a warranty if they do.

Your also wrong about the cycle2work scheem, not all retailers accept it, and most that do charge an additional 10 or 20% for using the voucher. Specialized didnt charge any additional fee

My budget was £300 for which i do not expect to be riding a Ferrari. I know i could spend more and have a better bike but i had a strict budget as this is my first road bike to give it a go. I litterally searched hundreds of shops and companys and nothing came close to this deal.

I am very happy with my purchase, and i felt it was the best option for the price, which is why i shared the deal.

HUX1

Your wrong, The bike comes with Carbon Forks and full claris! (They even … Your wrong, The bike comes with Carbon Forks and full claris! (They even say carbon forks on them!) the brakes seem to do a good job of stopping as well! I also havent found 1 negative review about components failing but fortunatley they are covered by a warranty if they do.Your also wrong about the cycle2work scheem, not all retailers accept it, and most that do charge an additional 10 or 20% for using the voucher. Specialized didnt charge any additional fee My budget was £300 for which i do not expect to be riding a Ferrari. I know i could spend more and have a better bike but i had a strict budget as this is my first road bike to give it a go. I litterally searched hundreds of shops and companys and nothing came close to this deal. I am very happy with my purchase, and i felt it was the best option for the price, which is why i shared the deal.



HUX1

Your wrong, The bike comes with Carbon Forks and full claris! (They even … Your wrong, The bike comes with Carbon Forks and full claris! (They even say carbon forks on them!) the brakes seem to do a good job of stopping as well! I also havent found 1 negative review about components failing but fortunatley they are covered by a warranty if they do.Your also wrong about the cycle2work scheem, not all retailers accept it, and most that do charge an additional 10 or 20% for using the voucher. Specialized didnt charge any additional fee My budget was £300 for which i do not expect to be riding a Ferrari. I know i could spend more and have a better bike but i had a strict budget as this is my first road bike to give it a go. I litterally searched hundreds of shops and companys and nothing came close to this deal. I am very happy with my purchase, and i felt it was the best option for the price, which is why i shared the deal.


No you are wrong - full claris does not have tektro brakes, sunrace casette or kmc chain.
Further claris is entry, sora next, tiagra, 105,ultegra, dura ace (this is your ferrari) in order. In your budget you could have got tiagra that is not to say claris is going to break just you could have done better with a smoother gear changes, lighter and better scope on upgrading individual components. If you searched 100s then you did poor as evans emailed me over a month ago saying 25% off all spesh 2016 models which was then matched by tredz and beaten by hargroves - all as they cleared way for 2017 models (standard this time of year as season ends and each manufacturer makes ready) - didn't post as none I thought great (in fact the trend as other companies clear out is the middle sized bikes go first and final push with greatest savings will then occur on the small and large bikes)
Further your budget was 450 albeit after tax benefits you are making a saving of cash in your pocket. You make this clear in both your title and above you don't understand this. I find your title misleading as on face value without reading your details it infers the offer in bold is 300 unless in store 450, I am not the only one above to state and others on face value may be giving you postive without reading your detail - perhaps that is your aim!

To try one last time that would be me quoting a price minus the a gift card from my aunt and a £20 credit my credit company have given me ad an offer to use them - out of my pocket doesn't Match the store price and when others point this out my response is it is simple you need nicer aunts. Of course this is ridiculous but change the analogy of aunt and credit card to a hire purchase agreement on offer to you via your company to get pre tax does that not register?

I did not state all retailers but used "these" which in that context was wiggle and decathlon that both take the scheme for free you are on . Merlin directly charge 35 but pr7 is cheaper than what you paid even with that charge with the sora groupset.



Edited by: "Bertz99" 8th Sep 2016

This post should be deleted, using the bike to work price is a nonsense

kramer2088

This post should be deleted, using the bike to work price is a nonsense


title has been changed - yay
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