SSE - Existing customers booking a smart meter appointment get £25 cashback
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SSE - Existing customers booking a smart meter appointment get £25 cashback

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Posted 12th Mar
£25 from TopCashback or Quidco.

I know many people do not want a smart meter, however you are probably going to get one in the next few years whether you like it or not, so you might as well get compensated for the inconvenience.

I booked mine in December when it was £5 cashback,
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dogwalker16 m ago

What is the benefit of a Smart Meter?



There is no "benefit" to having a smart meter. All the adverts say it can save you money, but all it does is give the electricity companies an easy way to get readings, and monitor your usage so they can price their wares to their advantage. Any money saving is completely down to you using less electricity, and can be achieved without the bull of a smart meter. For example, turning off lights in riooms not being used, just boiling enough water for a cup of tea, rather than a full kettle.
Don't do it until they are universal, because at the moment they apparently tie you to that energy provider.
They couldn't get me to take one of these even if they paid me (a lot more than £25)

VERY INTERESTINGLY if you submit "Smart meter problems" into Google, you get a very rosy picture; they save money, the environment, make the world a better place and so on

type the same into DuckDuckGo (which doesn't get anything like the same advertising revenues) you soon find out there are places where smart meters don't work, they make changing suppliers (and retaining smarts) difficult and that the savings themselves are minimal.

Personally, until I can swap supplier at will, I won't be bothering

Just for clarification; different energy suppliers use different settings, the meter doesn't stop working when you change, it's just there is insufficient compatibility to allow the "smart" features to be transferred from one company to the other - what you end up with is a standard "thick" meter.
Edited by: "ukhotdeals1" 12th Mar
So much misinformation in this thread.

Get a smart meter, you are NOT tied into the supplier at all. When you switch the meter is just used like a standard reading meter.
I.E. Not smart.
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Good Find, BUT DELAY, DELAY, DELY, Do not make these companies force you to have it, they will pay much more later
Edited by: "Georgedeals" 12th Mar
Georgedeals5 m ago

Good Find, BUT DELAY, DELAY, DELY, Do not make these companies force you …Good Find, BUT DELAY, DELAY, DELY, Do not make these companies force you to have it, they will pay much more later


Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install their's as the BG ones aren't compatible.
Edited by: "gazdoubleu" 12th Mar
Don't do it until they are universal, because at the moment they apparently tie you to that energy provider.
What is the benefit of a Smart Meter?
You can swap for free, between providers, but i agree it's annoying they aren't universal
They couldn't get me to take one of these even if they paid me (a lot more than £25)

VERY INTERESTINGLY if you submit "Smart meter problems" into Google, you get a very rosy picture; they save money, the environment, make the world a better place and so on

type the same into DuckDuckGo (which doesn't get anything like the same advertising revenues) you soon find out there are places where smart meters don't work, they make changing suppliers (and retaining smarts) difficult and that the savings themselves are minimal.

Personally, until I can swap supplier at will, I won't be bothering

Just for clarification; different energy suppliers use different settings, the meter doesn't stop working when you change, it's just there is insufficient compatibility to allow the "smart" features to be transferred from one company to the other - what you end up with is a standard "thick" meter.
Edited by: "ukhotdeals1" 12th Mar
dogwalker16 m ago

What is the benefit of a Smart Meter?



There is no "benefit" to having a smart meter. All the adverts say it can save you money, but all it does is give the electricity companies an easy way to get readings, and monitor your usage so they can price their wares to their advantage. Any money saving is completely down to you using less electricity, and can be achieved without the bull of a smart meter. For example, turning off lights in riooms not being used, just boiling enough water for a cup of tea, rather than a full kettle.
dogwalker111 m ago

What is the benefit of a Smart Meter?


Meter readings are automatically sent to the supplier so your bills are more accurate and up to date, plus you can see exactly what you're using so if for instance you're afraid to put your heating on you can keep an eye on it's hourly/daily cost.
As for saving money I find it works the opposite and I use more energy because I know how much I can afford to spend on heating and use about £2 a day heating my well insulated house without the fear of a massive quarterly bill.
Edited by: "porsche911turbo" 12th Mar
I've just switched from SSE electric and gas to Octopus Energy and saving £400 per year now. Money saving expert will issue £25 cashback after 3rd month too so worth a look for some? Plus the SSE smart meter will likely still send data from the meter to the device so might still get some 'smart' functionality although I rarely look at it anyway
So much misinformation in this thread.

Get a smart meter, you are NOT tied into the supplier at all. When you switch the meter is just used like a standard reading meter.
I.E. Not smart.
gazdoubleu28 m ago

Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install …Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install their's as the BG ones aren't compatible.


You probabil have Gen 1. These only work with you provider. Gen 2 works with any provider. I think you should check and if it is Gen2, go ahead, will be in your interest.
I would ask your energy provider which type of smart meter they install.
If it a SMETS2 meter, then you should have no trouble switching provider if necessary.
SMETS1 meters do not currently have the capability to 'talk' to other providers if you change supplier. All suppliers are having to do the necessary firmware updates to these SMETS1 meters to make them SMETS2 compliant, but timeframes are different across the industry.
gazdoubleu28 m ago

Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install …Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install their's as the BG ones aren't compatible.



@gazdoubleu, you probably have the pre SMETS smart meters installed, and therefore OVO will definitely not be able to 'talk' to the meter to get reads from them. I believe OVO are still installing SMETS1, until May, when there is a deadline for suppliers to stop installing the SMETS1 meters and from then only SMETS2 will be installed.

FYI, I work in the energy industry.
There is NO issues in getting as SMETS1 installed now. You CAN switch regardless.
If the company you switch to can not use the automated reading, they just call and read manually or you give readings manually like you do now.
If you switch and want to keep a smart meter, the new energy company will change it for their SMETS1 or 2 meter. I don't understand all the misinformation here about not doing it yet, or not doing it at all.
The tarrifs are the same, and the exit switch criteria are the same.


If you have a SMETS1 you can still switch and the submit the meter readings in the same way people do without a smart meter!
Not a deal, you & I are being taxed to fund this long running saga like obscenity of idiocy from the outset.

A deal for idiots till they find the hole in the "free" bucket.
TheGeneral7713 m ago

I would ask your energy provider which type of smart meter they install. …I would ask your energy provider which type of smart meter they install. If it a SMETS2 meter, then you should have no trouble switching provider if necessary. SMETS1 meters do not currently have the capability to 'talk' to other providers if you change supplier. All suppliers are having to do the necessary firmware updates to these SMETS1 meters to make them SMETS2 compliant, but timeframes are different across the industry. @gazdoubleu, you probably have the pre SMETS smart meters installed, and therefore OVO will definitely not be able to 'talk' to the meter to get reads from them. I believe OVO are still installing SMETS1, until May, when there is a deadline for suppliers to stop installing the SMETS1 meters and from then only SMETS2 will be installed.FYI, I work in the energy industry.


Thanks I'm aware that OVO can't talk to them and I told them to stop phoning me until there was a universal meter that all energy companies can read, is that the case with the Smets2?

Also I can't see why having any Smart Meter at all is a big advantage (as Sheffield788 implies)

You get your fancy interface with usage stats, yep I can see that I use more energy in Winter, surprise surprise, when the Mrs has the tumble dryer on 24/7 or maybe I could see if one of the kids have been burning the midnight oil on their 300 watt computer.

Realistically, nobody with a life and work to do is gonna sit looking at meter stats once the initial novelty has worn off.

Tbh if I'm gonna use my precious time to save energy I'd rather use it sourcing and chopping free firewood for my burner which keeps my fitness levels up too.
Are they actually free? Because when im energy provider contacted me to offer one i had to choose from tariffs that would have cost me 10-15£more a month!!!
Nope,
Would not have one, do some research into the measurement of 'apparent power' vs 'measured power'
I believe they are reading 'measured power' at the mo' but I wouldn't put it passed the sneaky sod's to switch to 'apparent power' - which would push the price up if the device in use does not have a power factor of 1


Ask BigClive he knows lol
They can switch off your supply from their offices too.
gazdoubleu22 m ago

Thanks.. aware that OVO cant talk to them and I told them to stop phoning …Thanks.. aware that OVO cant talk to them and I told them to stop phoning me until there was a universal meter that all energy companies can read, is that the case with the Smets2?


Yes, SMETS2 meters are able to to be read by all energy companies that have Smart capability. Some of the smaller energy companies do not have any smart capability at the moment.

Other folk commenting about Energy efficiency and saving money are right, it can be done without a smart meter, and you are under no obligation to have a smart meter fitted yet. In fact, as ukhotdeals1 says there are areas of the UK where smart meters are unable to function as smart at the moment, because of the communications infrastructure currently in place.
Your SMETS1 meter can still function correctly if the supplier you switching to which has the same brand of meter as the one you are leaving. Most of the 2g/3g uncovered area can be covered by using a long range radio based CH in SMETS2/SMETS2ver3
gazdoubleu1 h, 41 m ago

Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install …Insider info? I have British Gas smart meters but OVO want to install their's as the BG ones aren't compatible.


Yeh I think it's a joke that the energy companies don't just have one meter that they all use! If you swap companies they each have to fit their own meters, to much hassle until they work together!
Mr_Gus1 h, 24 m ago

Not a deal, you & I are being taxed to fund this long running saga like …Not a deal, you & I are being taxed to fund this long running saga like obscenity of idiocy from the outset.A deal for idiots till they find the hole in the "free" bucket.


So, we're paying for it anyway (which I already knew) and therefore should refuse to accept something that we've already paid for?

Who's the idiot?
Edited by: "targaid" 12th Mar
Once we all are bullied into this, you will be profiled and exploited... we NEED to rage, rage against this machine.
Edited by: "RoosterNo1" 12th Mar
Don’t do it
timothymasonmonkeyboy3 h, 8 m ago

They can switch off your supply from their offices too.


No they can't. That's another myth ..

Jesus
Wow this is very cold. I don't get any benefit from having a smart meter as my device cannot be placed near enough to the meter to get a reliable signal. However it is a free £25 for replacing a device that you don't really own anyway. Also some of SSE's tariffs require you to get one midway through the contract.

It may be financed by taxpayers, so see this as a small tax refund if you must. It is better to enjoy the small incentive by getting it now, rather than getting nothing in a year or two when installation is mandatory.
Chiptivo1 h, 25 m ago

No they can't. That's another myth ..Jesus


Yes they can, but whether the energy supplier will do is another matter (e.g. the customer may need it on for medical devices).

smartme.co.uk/tec…tml
targaid6 h, 52 m ago

So, we're paying for it anyway (which I already knew) and therefore should …So, we're paying for it anyway (which I already knew) and therefore should refuse to accept something that we've already paid for? Who's the idiot?


smh
Edited by: "chimp14uk" 13th Mar
Avoid this is a spy tool, they will increase prices based on your energy consumption behaviour, energy companies have become bunch of greedy crooks and the energy regulator (OFGEM) is just a waste space, they have now allowed energy companies endless tariffs.
I used to be on the staywarm tariff (Unlimited use of electric and gas) but OFGEM banned this tariff because the wanted the energy company to reduced its tariffs. This stupidity put my energy bill to double. Now OFGEM has now dropped its tariff restriction. OFGEM are just a bunch of morons who think are know now it all.
drspa4411 h, 42 m ago

Wow this is very cold. I don't get any benefit from having a smart meter …Wow this is very cold. I don't get any benefit from having a smart meter as my device cannot be placed near enough to the meter to get a reliable signal. However it is a free £25 for replacing a device that you don't really own anyway. Also some of SSE's tariffs require you to get one midway through the contract.It may be financed by taxpayers, so see this as a small tax refund if you must. It is better to enjoy the small incentive by getting it now, rather than getting nothing in a year or two when installation is mandatory.


Well, you don't actually sound convinced of your own argument.

I am all for green, eco, energy reduction etc, however having pointed out the errors back in the early part of this saga to the then miniters (ir)responsible for it, I was patted on the head & told don't bother, (the usual political obsucation) since then the prices & actions for this have gone from being manageable & affordable to that of a ship battered against the rocks, ..much like the debacle of brexit.

Such is the indifference of the career climbing self en-riching political types, that you allow to use you as a mat to wipe the dog crud off their feet on the way to their second million in the bank.

The plan was close to being dropped by govt not long ago, the money offered is part of a last ditch attempt, you've given ground on what was very shaky ground for government & were set to give up on, reducing the final loss & having established that the entire industry needed to have followed the same interchangeable format from the word go.. instead they are still to a large degree trying to hawk the older boxes which will likely be incompatible, unless you ask someone who knows & who won't lie to you & deny it later (proven bad practise as exposed by various aspects of the media).

Otherwise its really a case of govt leading the donkey down to the water (because surely they know best)!? ..amongst the merry-go-round of "promoted" spineless political minds in the reshuffled, name changed energy depts who know naff all about the debacle & didn't want to rock the(ir) career boat.

Anyone interested in making their property unsuitable for a smart meter please look at getting the board backer slid back & line the area out in mesh (the faraday effect) & line above & around that with FOIL / Foil (not plastic foil) phenolic foam insulation, not only will it disrupt signal it will also help prevent COLD BRIDGING, vermin proof, draught-proof &insulate your property around this point of ingress. ..the smart meter relies on a phone signal,reception being met, if your locale is iffy this may well make your property be deemed unsuitable for the forseeable, until you deem the meter tech to be advanced enough & acceptable.

Ensure you seal all joints with good quality aluminium tape from screwfix or similar ....

The meter box is your responsibility, the equipment is theirs, placed on / within your property, they shouldn't be able to rip down insulation that then makes you increase the use of energy types within your home over the duration of the life of the new meter.
The meter still needs to have "basic" access, (which as a property holder you have more control than the companies would let you think.

(hint look up the regs that were established as to code of conduct for meter readers, gas is easier to find, you have to dig deep to find the electricity meter readers code which was essentially copied, .. & which they violate with utmost frequency, however if you wish to read the modern variant then it will be in the main blurb of any basic contract folder, likely under their commitment to you (watered down marketing version).

So i'd suggest you get your screwdriver out & take a look at the set up of the mount for your meter & see what can be done.
(either way your meter box will be a big energy drain in terms of escaping energy in a lot of buildings if inside / within a recess of the skin of the building structure.
Its a low cost fix, ensure the door is covered, & make sure the stuff is removable (well you still have to take meter readings periodically).

Obviously don't mess around with the meter tags, be careful around electricity, if in doubt get a capable person to assist you.
You are not interfering with a meter, you are insulating & draught-proofing your home & making it more energy efficient.

Your meter will still have to be inspected under the general suspicion of householder tampering (marked down as "safety" every couple of years regardless, until they lobby to have that cost cut & new statutes in place to the further benefit of their bottom line.
Edited by: "Mr_Gus" 13th Mar
I will be the last one to agree to one of this.
SteelCity16 h, 35 m ago

I've just switched from SSE electric and gas to Octopus Energy and saving …I've just switched from SSE electric and gas to Octopus Energy and saving £400 per year now. Money saving expert will issue £25 cashback after 3rd month too so worth a look for some? Plus the SSE smart meter will likely still send data from the meter to the device so might still get some 'smart' functionality although I rarely look at it anyway


Misleading info,you only saved £400 because you would have gone onto the 'standard tariff' if you hadn't bothered to switch tariff.
*IF* these things are supposed to save an reported "average" of anything from £24 - £47 per annum per household (by means of reduced energy use) then the costs based on 2017-2018 figures of £420 per unit per household (& rising significantly)
So if we take a medium return approach of £30 savings per household then the time to balance out the cost of the unit would be around 14 years after installation to achieve the break even point, ..but that was before the massive contract to "promote" ( latest push) the smart meters.. which has been going around a year now (by estimation) & I think that is in excess of 60 million pounds as a contract! ..so its an open for re-jigging the numbers.

But 14 years to break even? ..compared to added insulatin which reduces energy use, & starts paying back instantly, (phenolic foil sided foams help keep heat in & help in summer by means of cooler during summer as there isnt so much hot air leaching from your walls / loft where high temps occur & make your abode stuffier.

Thats before we even get to reducing energy by use of a small ASHP in a well insulated & sealed home, (abut £1400) with potential to really hammer down energy costs (except for brutal winter temps when its better to use a secondary source because the ruddy thing is running on defrost cycle ..i'd prefer a lump sum towards unding an ASHP etc & £420 would be a good chunk)

The only "smart" monitoring meter I would have is a new gen electric vehicle point, that still allows me to have a full battery in the morning when needed, ..or I can simply trickle charge it like now, off a 3 pin plug, slow & steady.However, I can already set a simple timer from my phone to delay, fill to 80% 100% & so on, therefore unless I wish to totally give up my info to the fallibility of energy companies & potentially have grid swap (battery to grid cycling) then this is of very little benefit to anyone, besides it also then adds towards wearing down my battery prematurely.

If I can add a heat pump then *half* the time my energy would be less anyway) ie job done via cop values in theory, saving a lot more than £30 or so quid, I anticipate payback time would be comfortable 2 years to break even whilst updating existing insulation & airleaks
Edited by: "Mr_Gus" 13th Mar
Mr_Gus11 h, 32 m ago

Well, you don't actually sound convinced of your own argument.I … Well, you don't actually sound convinced of your own argument.I am all for green, eco, energy reduction etc, however having pointed out the errors back in the early part of this saga to the then miniters (ir)responsible for it, I was patted on the head & told don't bother, (the usual political obsucation) since then the prices & actions for this have gone from being manageable & affordable to that of a ship battered against the rocks, ..much like the debacle of brexit.Such is the indifference of the career climbing self en-riching political types, that you allow to use you as a mat to wipe the dog crud off their feet on the way to their second million in the bank.The plan was close to being dropped by govt not long ago, the money offered is part of a last ditch attempt, you've given ground on what was very shaky ground for government & were set to give up on, reducing the final loss & having established that the entire industry needed to have followed the same interchangeable format from the word go.. instead they are still to a large degree trying to hawk the older boxes which will likely be incompatible, unless you ask someone who knows & who won't lie to you & deny it later (proven bad practise as exposed by various aspects of the media).Otherwise its really a case of govt leading the donkey down to the water (because surely they know best)!? ..amongst the merry-go-round of "promoted" spineless political minds in the reshuffled, name changed energy depts who know naff all about the debacle & didn't want to rock the(ir) career boat.Anyone interested in making their property unsuitable for a smart meter please look at getting the board backer slid back & line the area out in mesh (the faraday effect) & line above & around that with FOIL / Foil (not plastic foil) phenolic foam insulation, not only will it disrupt signal it will also help prevent COLD BRIDGING, vermin proof, draught-proof &insulate your property around this point of ingress. ..the smart meter relies on a phone signal,reception being met, if your locale is iffy this may well make your property be deemed unsuitable for the forseeable, until you deem the meter tech to be advanced enough & acceptable.Ensure you seal all joints with good quality aluminium tape from screwfix or similar ....The meter box is your responsibility, the equipment is theirs, placed on / within your property, they shouldn't be able to rip down insulation that then makes you increase the use of energy types within your home over the duration of the life of the new meter.The meter still needs to have "basic" access, (which as a property holder you have more control than the companies would let you think.(hint look up the regs that were established as to code of conduct for meter readers, gas is easier to find, you have to dig deep to find the electricity meter readers code which was essentially copied, .. & which they violate with utmost frequency, however if you wish to read the modern variant then it will be in the main blurb of any basic contract folder, likely under their commitment to you (watered down marketing version).So i'd suggest you get your screwdriver out & take a look at the set up of the mount for your meter & see what can be done.(either way your meter box will be a big energy drain in terms of escaping energy in a lot of buildings if inside / within a recess of the skin of the building structure.Its a low cost fix, ensure the door is covered, & make sure the stuff is removable (well you still have to take meter readings periodically).Obviously don't mess around with the meter tags, be careful around electricity, if in doubt get a capable person to assist you.You are not interfering with a meter, you are insulating & draught-proofing your home & making it more energy efficient.Your meter will still have to be inspected under the general suspicion of householder tampering (marked down as "safety" every couple of years regardless, until they lobby to have that cost cut & new statutes in place to the further benefit of their bottom line.


Just because I don't write an essay does not mean my opinion is invalid. It's a free £25 for the customer. I don't care what SSE plan to do with the data or how much money the government has wasted on the initiative.
Enjoy reaping what you sow.

& your extremely cold "deal".
Edited by: "Mr_Gus" 14th Mar
Chiptivo12th Mar

So much misinformation in this thread. Get a smart meter, you are NOT tied …So much misinformation in this thread. Get a smart meter, you are NOT tied into the supplier at all. When you switch the meter is just used like a standard reading meter. I.E. Not smart.


Which mans another dumb meter in the main, but the fickle govt tick box of "job done" (more like taxpayer bent over & took it) is complete, whilst you have & maintain the dumb, non-universal meter which you had back at square one!
FFS
If you're with SSE, do yourself a big favour and switch.

I switched from EON to bulb lately and saved myself £400. Big 6 energy firms rip you off hard. Have a look on uSwitch today and see if there's a better deal out there. If you do want to switch to bulb / if they're also the cheapest, send me a PM. Can send you my link for friends for £50 when you switch.
Edited by: "tallen" 24th Mar
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