tado Smart Radiator Thermostat Vertical Quattro Pack £155 delivered @ AO
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tado Smart Radiator Thermostat Vertical Quattro Pack £155 delivered @ AO

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Posted 15th May
Best price around for these, they were £159 last week on Amazon but now sold out and next cheapest price for the 4 pack is £218.99. Free delivery as well.

You will need the bridge and tado app to use these but they are fully compatible with Google home, Amazon Alexa and Apple Homekit too.

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Make sure you’ve got the perfect temperature at all times with this four pack of tado° smart radiator valves. You can use your smartphone or tablet to tweak their settings or set timers and schedules. But thanks to a bunch of clever features, you might not even need to do that. The built-in temperature sensors will keep track of how warm it is so it doesn’t get too hot or cold, and they can even use weather forecasts to set the perfect level. Plus, by using your phone’s location, they’ll automatically turn the temperature down when you leave the house, and turn it back up again when you’re on the way home. And thanks to support for Amazon Alexa, Google Home and Apple HomeKit, if they need a bit of tweaking, you can do so with a simple voice command.



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CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 12:44

Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how …Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how the tech works however i'm struggling to understand a practical application...Example - Room 1 is set at 18C and room 2 at 20CSurely the boiler needs to be 'on' and producing hot water for this to work?I just feel that it would need your boiler thermostat to be set at the highest of all of the room/rad stats and it wouldn't be very economical?Please help me out if i've misunderstood, i'm just trying to get my head around it.Thanks


It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of the room it's in. You would set the temperature you want it at and it would request the boiler to turn on and heat the radiator up (and the whole system) . The energy saving would come if all your radiators have the thermostat and aren't required to come on all the time. So if you were only in one room all day long, all other radiators could stay off and only one would be heated etc rather than heating everything just to get one room warm.

You obviosuly have to work out the saving based on a lot of factors though, room sizes, house size, how many radiators you require on etc.

From my calculations, the investment put in compared to savings won't doesn't add up in our case but it all depends on how you currently use your heating compared to what this device can do.

I'm trying to find if there is a way to have these devices not call for heating but only manage the valves but not sure that is possible.
Edited by: "bargainBeast" 15th May
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Scorching outside and in here
Good price if you need multiple radiator heads!
Can somebody explain the benefits of these?
I fundamentally understand how the tech works however i'm struggling to understand a practical application...
Example - Room 1 is set at 18C and room 2 at 20C
Surely the boiler needs to be 'on' and producing hot water for this to work?
I just feel that it would need your boiler thermostat to be set at the highest of all of the room/rad stats and it wouldn't be very economical?

Please help me out if i've misunderstood, i'm just trying to get my head around it.

Thanks
CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 12:44

Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how …Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how the tech works however i'm struggling to understand a practical application...Example - Room 1 is set at 18C and room 2 at 20CSurely the boiler needs to be 'on' and producing hot water for this to work?I just feel that it would need your boiler thermostat to be set at the highest of all of the room/rad stats and it wouldn't be very economical?Please help me out if i've misunderstood, i'm just trying to get my head around it.Thanks


It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of the room it's in. You would set the temperature you want it at and it would request the boiler to turn on and heat the radiator up (and the whole system) . The energy saving would come if all your radiators have the thermostat and aren't required to come on all the time. So if you were only in one room all day long, all other radiators could stay off and only one would be heated etc rather than heating everything just to get one room warm.

You obviosuly have to work out the saving based on a lot of factors though, room sizes, house size, how many radiators you require on etc.

From my calculations, the investment put in compared to savings won't doesn't add up in our case but it all depends on how you currently use your heating compared to what this device can do.

I'm trying to find if there is a way to have these devices not call for heating but only manage the valves but not sure that is possible.
Edited by: "bargainBeast" 15th May
bargainBeast15/05/2019 13:04

It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of …It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of the room it's in. You would set the temperature you want it at and it would request the boiler to turn on and heat the radiator up. The energy saving would come if all your radiators have the thermostat and aren't required to come on all the time. So if you were only in one room all day long, all other radiators could stay off and only one would be heated etc rather than heating everything just to get one room warm.


Thanks for taking the time to explain.
That makes a lot more sense to me know. So the rad stats actually control the boiler and they're not 'in addition' to the traditional boiler stat.

Cheers
CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 12:44

Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how …Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how the tech works however i'm struggling to understand a practical application...Example - Room 1 is set at 18C and room 2 at 20CSurely the boiler needs to be 'on' and producing hot water for this to work?I just feel that it would need your boiler thermostat to be set at the highest of all of the room/rad stats and it wouldn't be very economical?Please help me out if i've misunderstood, i'm just trying to get my head around it.Thanks


On for less time as less energy is required to get to required temperatures. So less gas used. Plus some rooms can be shut off when you don't need to heat them
bargainBeast15/05/2019 13:04

It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of …It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of the room it's in. You would set the temperature you want it at and it would request the boiler to turn on and heat the radiator up (and the whole system) . The energy saving would come if all your radiators have the thermostat and aren't required to come on all the time. So if you were only in one room all day long, all other radiators could stay off and only one would be heated etc rather than heating everything just to get one room warm.You obviosuly have to work out the saving based on a lot of factors though, room sizes, house size, how many radiators you require on etc.From my calculations, the investment put in compared to savings won't doesn't add up in our case but it all depends on how you currently use your heating compared to what this device can do.I'm trying to find if there is a way to have these devices not call for heating but only manage the valves but not sure that is possible.


I'm trying to get the reverse to happen... I've got these trvs controlling the radiators in 7 of my rooms, plus a room thermostat in my hallway and the hot water extension. Unfortunately for me, I can't seem to get any of the room trvs to actually turn on the boiler - they only work while i'm heating the hallway thermostat i.e. they are, as you say, only opening and closing the valves. Really frustrating as I want each radiator to independantly be able to call for heat.
bargainBeast15/05/2019 13:04

It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of …It basically works so that each radiator stat monitors the room temp of the room it's in. You would set the temperature you want it at and it would request the boiler to turn on and heat the radiator up (and the whole system) . The energy saving would come if all your radiators have the thermostat and aren't required to come on all the time. So if you were only in one room all day long, all other radiators could stay off and only one would be heated etc rather than heating everything just to get one room warm.You obviosuly have to work out the saving based on a lot of factors though, room sizes, house size, how many radiators you require on etc.From my calculations, the investment put in compared to savings won't doesn't add up in our case but it all depends on how you currently use your heating compared to what this device can do.I'm trying to find if there is a way to have these devices not call for heating but only manage the valves but not sure that is possible.


My understanding is that if you team the rad thermostats with the full room thermostat, then the room one controls the call for heating based on temp in that room & the rad stats just stop particular rads from being heated unless needed. I may well be wrong though. I understand Tado are pretty good at answering these sort of queries.
Ever wondered why TRV's only have numbers on but not the actual temperature? That's because given the position of the TRV's and position of the radiator in a room and room shape/layout its almost impossible to make take an accurate room temperature reading at the TRV. Therefore this system isn't ideal without the optional room stats in each room adding another £50 per room.

Granted to can adjust the 'offset' but that just defeats the point of displaying an actual temperature.
dimav8315/05/2019 13:41

On for less time as less energy is required to get to required …On for less time as less energy is required to get to required temperatures. So less gas used. Plus some rooms can be shut off when you don't need to heat them



Be aware that all boilers have a minimum output they can modulate down to so heating 1 room costs no less than heating a few rooms (obviously dependant on the house/system). If your boiler cant modulate down enough then you get 'cycling' this uses more gas and reduces the life of your boiler as moving parts (ie the gas valve) only have a finite number of movements before failure. You'll also use more gas and waste heat every time the boiler switches on/off due to wasted heat and the fan running to evacuate any gases left in the combustion chamber.
CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 12:44

Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how …Can somebody explain the benefits of these?I fundamentally understand how the tech works however i'm struggling to understand a practical application...Example - Room 1 is set at 18C and room 2 at 20CSurely the boiler needs to be 'on' and producing hot water for this to work?I just feel that it would need your boiler thermostat to be set at the highest of all of the room/rad stats and it wouldn't be very economical?Please help me out if i've misunderstood, i'm just trying to get my head around it.Thanks


If you already have 'normal' thermostatic radiator valves, then the benefits of these are -

- Allow you change heating of specific rooms on a schedule. e.g. bedrooms cold during the day and warmer at night, and downstairs rooms cold at night and warmer during the day. This obviously is mainly to save money, but I'm not sure this is going to make your investment back.
- Allow you to change individual room temperatures for a set period of time. e.g. you have a room that is normally kept cool and you need to use it as a one-off, you set that room to be warmer for 6 hours, rather than manually changing the thermostat on the radiator and then later forgetting you changed it.
- Having your room temperatures based on an actual temperature rather than the usual numbers 1-5.
- Potential to later add a wall thermostat to a specific room and have that wirelessly control one or more radiators. Great if your radiators are behind some furniture and the radiator thermostats don't actually get the right temperature.
- Seeing graphs of your room temperatures over time, and fancy stuff like that.

I bought some of the Tado ones (annoyingly at the £159 price) mainly because I like the gadget-y ness of them. I doubt I'll make back my investment any time soon though.

If you really only want to save money, you can get timer-controlled radiator thermostats which aren't 'smart' but are a lot cheaper. You can set these to be higher at night/day and low at the opposite time of day. Looks like you can buy 8 of these for £70 for example - reichelt.com/gb/…tml.
Edited by: "StormB" 15th May
Note v3 requires a subscription per month of £3 to get the full functionality
paulj4815/05/2019 13:56

Be aware that all boilers have a minimum output they can modulate down to …Be aware that all boilers have a minimum output they can modulate down to so heating 1 room costs no less than heating a few rooms (obviously dependant on the house/system). If your boiler cant modulate down enough then you get 'cycling' this uses more gas and reduces the life of your boiler as moving parts (ie the gas valve) only have a finite number of movements before failure. You'll also use more gas and waste heat every time the boiler switches on/off due to wasted heat and the fan running to evacuate any gases left in the combustion chamber.


That was a very general example. In real life, at winter, Tado switches off heating when everyone is away, then heats ground floor when someone is on a way home, heats bedrooms closer to bed time and don't heat ground floor at night.
dimav8315/05/2019 14:15

That was a very general example. In real life, at winter, Tado switches …That was a very general example. In real life, at winter, Tado switches off heating when everyone is away, then heats ground floor when someone is on a way home, heats bedrooms closer to bed time and don't heat ground floor at night.


You’ve just described a 2 zone heating system, nothing special there.

You’d save more money by just altering the CH flow temperature dependant on load, using either weather compensation or an Opentherm controller.
Edited by: "paulj48" 15th May
paulj4815/05/2019 14:24

You’ve just described a 2 zone heating system, nothing special there.You’d …You’ve just described a 2 zone heating system, nothing special there.You’d save more money by just altering the CH flow temperature dependant on load, using either weather compensation or an Opentherm controller.

I didn't want to go to a room/bedroom level in my example.
dimav8315/05/2019 15:06

I didn't want to go to a room/bedroom level in my example.



If you did how do you think an average combi boiler would cope just heating 1 or 2 radiators?
paulj4815/05/2019 15:19

If you did how do you think an average combi boiler would cope just …If you did how do you think an average combi boiler would cope just heating 1 or 2 radiators?


Don't know, I don't have a combi boiler. (boiler and cylinder in my setup)
dimav8315/05/2019 17:26

Don't know, I don't have a combi boiler. (boiler and cylinder in my setup)


An average combi (oversized to suit DHW demand) will cycle causing excessive wear and tear and also waste gas.

Thats one one of the disadvantages of running a combi.
captainjack15/05/2019 14:06

Note v3 requires a subscription per month of £3 to get the full …Note v3 requires a subscription per month of £3 to get the full functionality


No. V3 doesn't require subscription, only an optional one off payment. V3+ - yes, subscription, but optional as well.
dimav8315/05/2019 21:28

No. V3 doesn't require subscription, only an optional one off payment. V3+ …No. V3 doesn't require subscription, only an optional one off payment. V3+ - yes, subscription, but optional as well.


This is for v3+ deal - missed the + my bad

Subscription optional but when you see what you don't get if you don't subscribe well its not really worth having
captainjack15/05/2019 21:48

This is for v3+ deal - missed the + my badSubscription optional but when …This is for v3+ deal - missed the + my badSubscription optional but when you see what you don't get if you don't subscribe well its not really worth having


This deal is for 4 TRV's, not a V3+ pack.
In terms of the cost - depends, as some users may find it useful.
paulj4815/05/2019 13:51

Ever wondered why TRV's only have numbers on but not the actual …Ever wondered why TRV's only have numbers on but not the actual temperature? That's because given the position of the TRV's and position of the radiator in a room and room shape/layout its almost impossible to make take an accurate room temperature reading at the TRV. Therefore this system isn't ideal without the optional room stats in each room adding another £50 per room.Granted to can adjust the 'offset' but that just defeats the point of displaying an actual temperature.


Right and wrong. Conventional trvs do not have the sensitivity or control of these. The temperature shown on the valve may not be accurate (which is where the offset comes in as you say) but i have found that the temperature that is maintained in the room using the valves alone is very consistent and you do not need the room valve.
You do need a "master" rad to be on. Not all the time of course. That is the landing for me as I only use a system similar to these upstairs. Pick the room you would want on the most which is the coldest one. The main stat will call for heat and the rad valves will be able to use that hot water to maintain the desired temperature in each room
Edited by: "FunkiestMonkey" 15th May
FunkiestMonkey15/05/2019 23:49

You do need a "master" rad to be on. Not all the time of course. That is …You do need a "master" rad to be on. Not all the time of course. That is the landing for me as I only use a system similar to these upstairs. Pick the room you would want on the most which is the coldest one. The main stat will call for heat and the rad valves will be able to use that hot water to maintain the desired temperature in each room


If you have a Tado stat, then you don't need a master. You only set the main Tado stat temperature to the right temperature for the room/area it's in. If the rad TRVs require heat they call for it themselves.
Edited by: "StormB" 16th May
The best way I can see this working is if you have an old house without zonal heating. For example I have a 4 bed that takes an age to heat up. I have young children so need to regulate temp at night.

Have the downstairs set to zero and upstairs set to hot. Then set my hive thermo to whatever temp I need it to be.

Note:- I don't have these but seriously considering the purchase.
StormB16/05/2019 08:21

If you have a Tado stat, then you don't need a master. You only set the …If you have a Tado stat, then you don't need a master. You only set the main Tado stat temperature to the right temperature for the room/area it's in. If the rad TRVs require heat they call for it themselves.


Wow that is clever. I've got hive so hopefully the Teva they bring out do that. I'm wondering whether it is efficient to only have certain rads on the ring at a time... As surely the partially heated water heating the other rooms would be beneficial?
CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 13:33

Thanks for taking the time to explain.That makes a lot more sense to me …Thanks for taking the time to explain.That makes a lot more sense to me know. So the rad stats actually control the boiler and they're not 'in addition' to the traditional boiler stat. Cheers


No they don't, unless you integrate the whole lot into a smart thermostat and wire it in place of the existing thermostat.

The idea is that just like a thermostatic radiator valve that doesn't have any "smart" controls the boiler is still controlled by your overall heating settings, but when it's running the tados push the heat to where it's needed the most.

In other words, these are motorised thermostatic radiator valves with a nice control system, and that's all.

They can be extended to be part of a broader heating system control setup but you need more bits to make that happen.
Edited by: "MrMatt991" 16th May
I've got these in every room and they're brilliant. I don't think I'll recover the cost any time soon but they're worth it for the convenience. The heating can be off when everyone is out but warms up automatically as you approach home. You can control each room independently or set zones (so upstairs, downstairs, bedrooms etc). If you just want one room warmer the heat is almost instant (so no need to wait for 16 radiators to wake up and then feel like you're in a greenhouse!)

The best thing about them is pairing them with Alexa. Controlling the heat or checking the temperature in any room with your voice will never get old :-)
Brilliant pieces of kit. Makes life easier. Can have multiple temperatures throughout the day. Great for measuring humidity.
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FunkiestMonkey15/05/2019 23:49

You do need a "master" rad to be on. Not all the time of course. That is …You do need a "master" rad to be on. Not all the time of course. That is the landing for me as I only use a system similar to these upstairs. Pick the room you would want on the most which is the coldest one. The main stat will call for heat and the rad valves will be able to use that hot water to maintain the desired temperature in each room



Incorrect, and if you have your house setup like you describe you're totally missing the point of these.
MrMatt99116/05/2019 08:52

No they don't, unless you integrate the whole lot into a smart thermostat …No they don't, unless you integrate the whole lot into a smart thermostat and wire it in place of the existing thermostat.The idea is that just like a thermostatic radiator valve that doesn't have any "smart" controls the boiler is still controlled by your overall heating settings, but when it's running the tados push the heat to where it's needed the most.In other words, these are motorised thermostatic radiator valves with a nice control system, and that's all.They can be extended to be part of a broader heating system control setup but you need more bits to make that happen.


This is correct!

Your boilers main thermostat will control when it turns on or off, these are just effectively advanced temperature, timer & WiFi controlled switches for individual radiators. With these TRV's you can decide what rooms/radiators turn on when the boiler is running, you can obviously also control at what temp or time they turn off.
CaptainVolvo15/05/2019 13:33

Thanks for taking the time to explain.That makes a lot more sense to me …Thanks for taking the time to explain.That makes a lot more sense to me know. So the rad stats actually control the boiler and they're not 'in addition' to the traditional boiler stat. Cheers


I believe Tado also do a boiler controller so you can have the boiler turn on/off too when no radiators are in use.

These TRVs would be perfect for me. I work from home in one small room 9-5 which requires heating in Winter, without heating the rest of the house. Then at 4:30pm I could set the other rooms to heat up as I finish work for the day and my wife gets home from work.

At present I have to go around the house twice a day turning every radiator off/on. I usually forget, resulting in a cold house when the wife gets home, and an angry wife.
I have a question. Basically I have 2 radiators in my bedroom. I always find my bedroom to be too hot or too cold. So if I bought 2 of these would I be able to put them in the room and set them to the temperature I’d like the room to stay at?. Baring in mind the heating will be manually turned on and off. So I just want it to set a limit and make sure the room doesn’t to above a certain temperature.
Thanks
jameswalker45716/05/2019 08:37

Wow that is clever. I've got hive so hopefully the Teva they bring out do …Wow that is clever. I've got hive so hopefully the Teva they bring out do that. I'm wondering whether it is efficient to only have certain rads on the ring at a time... As surely the partially heated water heating the other rooms would be beneficial?


Hive TRV's are now available to pre-order for dispatch on 29th May (£199 for 5 so similarly priced) and it appears that (providing you have the Thermostat and hub) they can request a heating boost as required to maintain the temperature they are set for.
Edited by: "Aliwoo18" 16th May
Compare with Heat Genius as the room stats can work out cheaper
I think some people are missing the point of these. The idea is to use these with the Tado boiler thermostat as each TRV can tell the thermo to turn the boiler on when it needs heat, you're not meant to use them with a traditional "dumb" thermostat.

As for inaccurate temperature readings of course they won't be as accurate as a separate room thermostat that's positioned further away from the radiator but using a bit of trial and error you can find out what number is most comfortable for you and set it. Otherwise you could always get a room thermometer, set a room to a temp and use the offset settings to adjust them accordingly.

Another useful feature of these are that guests can easily control the heating without having to install the app or give you a call if you're not there. They can just turn a TRV to make it warmer/cooler.
SmartThermostat radiator valves. With batteries today16 May 2019
Ie. Batteries need teplacing
How long before do they need before changing/recharging. Or are they magic powered?
L33TL3316/05/2019 10:36

I have a question. Basically I have 2 radiators in my bedroom. I always …I have a question. Basically I have 2 radiators in my bedroom. I always find my bedroom to be too hot or too cold. So if I bought 2 of these would I be able to put them in the room and set them to the temperature I’d like the room to stay at?. Baring in mind the heating will be manually turned on and off. So I just want it to set a limit and make sure the room doesn’t to above a certain temperature.Thanks



Standard TRV's do this, that's what they're designed for. They're normally marked up 1-5 rather than an actual temperature as the room shape and position of the rads and other furniture can effect what each number refers to due to the convection effect of the radiator.
paulj4816/05/2019 11:57

Standard TRV's do this, that's what they're designed for. They're normally …Standard TRV's do this, that's what they're designed for. They're normally marked up 1-5 rather than an actual temperature as the room shape and position of the rads and other furniture can effect what each number refers to due to the convection effect of the radiator.


I do have the manual ones (numbered 1-5) if that’s what you’re referring to. But was looking for something that monitors the room temperature and adjusts accordingly.
L33TL3316/05/2019 12:06

I do have the manual ones (numbered 1-5) if that’s what you’re referring to …I do have the manual ones (numbered 1-5) if that’s what you’re referring to. But was looking for something that monitors the room temperature and adjusts accordingly.



That's exactly what you ones you have do, they switch the flow of water through the radiator either on or off dependant on the room temperature. If your arent working then remove the tops and make sure the pin in the valve moves freely.
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