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Very very good price for 4!!
Fantastic price.
Can someone help me here. Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.

So do I need the smart thermostat for these to work? And if I had the smart thermostat, what would that give me on top?

My current setup is i have a boiler in the basement, which is hooked up to a hot water tank upstairs. I want to have multi zone Heating. Not sure where to start though.

Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.
Sorry for being one of those people who doesn’t google first- but is a big advantage of these that you could set a room not being used, to work independently from the main thermostat? Thanks
BS123402/12/2019 19:50

Sorry for being one of those people who doesn’t google first- but is a big …Sorry for being one of those people who doesn’t google first- but is a big advantage of these that you could set a room not being used, to work independently from the main thermostat? Thanks


Example.

You could switch the heating on but turn the thermostat off for the bathroom and the spare bedroom and just have the ones on for your bedroom, and the kids room. Heating those up quicker and saving gas.
huzi786802/12/2019 19:49

Can someone help me here. Apologies in advance if this is a stupid …Can someone help me here. Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question. So do I need the smart thermostat for these to work? And if I had the smart thermostat, what would that give me on top? My current setup is i have a boiler in the basement, which is hooked up to a hot water tank upstairs. I want to have multi zone Heating. Not sure where to start though. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.


You need Tado bridge to work.
These on there own will not work. These are an add-on kit after you've bought a starter kit (which includes the necessary internet bridge).
So I assume that if I have these only, no bridge or smart thermostat (just the Tado TRV’s), and I set my current (non smart) thermostat to 25 degrees, all my dumb radiators would continue heating to that temp, but these would override that and set to the smart temp?

Sorry for being blonde. Just trying to understand how these work.

And what would the smart thermostat and bridge add on top of this?
Edited by: "huzi7868" 2nd Dec 2019
Another question... thanks in advance for whoever can respond.

What if I have two radiators in one room? Do I need to put a Tado TRV on each?
No Tado smart product works without a Tado internet bridge.

You can put a Tado TRV on separate rads in the same room. I have done, but its a big room and the rads are 4m apart.
The Tado smart thermostat controls a zone, not an individual radiator. You can also use one to control under floor heating.

The best control you can have is with TRVs for each rad, plus a Tado bridge. But that gets expensive if you have lots of rads.
huzi786802/12/2019 19:58

So I assume that if I have these only, no bridge or smart thermostat ( …So I assume that if I have these only, no bridge or smart thermostat (just the Tado TRV’s), and I set my current (non smart) thermostat to 25 degrees, all my dumb radiators would continue heating to that temp, but these would override that and set to the smart temp?Sorry for being blonde. Just trying to understand how these work. And what would the smart thermostat and bridge add on top of this?


you will need Bridge to make this TRV work. Yes you need to add to both radiators if you wish to control those 2 radiators as one zone.
If you already had an internet bridge you don't have to have the thermostat for these to work. They however would only stop the rooms getting hot not stopping them from getting too cold. (In this set up they just act like a smart version of conventional TVR's)

The thermostat enables them to call for heat independently.

So if a one room is too cold the valve will open, it'll send a signal to the thermostat which then relays it to the boiler to fire up and because that's the only radiator valve open, it only sends water to that one radiator. Once the desired temp is reached it closes the valve and shut's down the boiler.

If you currently have a wireless thermostat and/or a water tank for hot water you would also need an extension kit if you wanted to install the tado thermostat.
Edited by: "heathead" 2nd Dec 2019
huzi786802/12/2019 19:58

So I assume that if I have these only, no bridge or smart thermostat ( …So I assume that if I have these only, no bridge or smart thermostat (just the Tado TRV’s), and I set my current (non smart) thermostat to 25 degrees, all my dumb radiators would continue heating to that temp, but these would override that and set to the smart temp?Sorry for being blonde. Just trying to understand how these work. And what would the smart thermostat and bridge add on top of this?


Check the tado website. There's a bit where you can go through what you have, and it lets you know what you need. I have a boiler in the kitchen (not combi), and a hot water tank in the airing cupboard. My rads have TRVs. So for me, what I needed was the kit which has a thermostat, bridge AND exetension kit (for hot water), and then this pack of 4 radiator gizmos.

i bought the 4 pack of radiator things from ao.com with £50 cashback and used a £20 code for new customers.
Edited by: "thepearce" 2nd Dec 2019
BS123402/12/2019 19:50

Sorry for being one of those people who doesn’t google first- but is a big …Sorry for being one of those people who doesn’t google first- but is a big advantage of these that you could set a room not being used, to work independently from the main thermostat? Thanks


Yes.

You can control the temp of specific rads with the TRVs, not a whole zone with the smart thermostat.
How does tado integrate with Home Assistant?
Can geofencing handled by HA replace tado's subscription based solution (V3+)?
Thanks for this! It does seem like a good price. I've ordered 3 sets of 4 plus 2 Smart Thermostats to replace my existing room thermostats.

I've been monitoring the different smart TRV systems for a while to see which one matures nicely and Tado seems to be making positive steps compared to Netatmo, Wiser etc, as long as you don't mind the cloud subscription.

To be honest, I'm very techie but it's still quite confusing comparing them all. What wireless technology do they use, what is their boiler compatibility like for hot water, do they integrate with the likes of SmartThings, Home Assistant etc, and are they official integrations or just community integrations, and will those integrations still work if their servers shut down or go offline, etc...

It's a bit of a minefield but what has swung it for me is that Tado let you send the lot back for a refund between 6 months and 12 months if you're not happy. So I can at least give it a go and see if it works for me.
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 20:06

The Tado smart thermostat controls a zone, not an individual radiator. You …The Tado smart thermostat controls a zone, not an individual radiator. You can also use one to control under floor heating.The best control you can have is with TRVs for each rad, plus a Tado bridge. But that gets expensive if you have lots of rads.


Also, I was reading on the Tado website that if possible you should have a separate Smart Thermostat in each room that is either large or where the radiators are a bit concealed. In addition to the Smart TRVs in those rooms. I'm guessing this is just because in both of those cases, it could be a fair bit warmer close to the radiators than in the rest of the room?

Although I think you can also set a temperature offset in those rooms to compensate? Or that might have been another system that lets you do that, I can't remember! I've only researched so far so it's a bit confusing!
Shurov02/12/2019 20:16

How does tado integrate with Home Assistant?Can geofencing handled by HA …How does tado integrate with Home Assistant?Can geofencing handled by HA replace tado's subscription based solution (V3+)?


When I looked this up recently, I think I found an HA integration that talks to the Tado cloud service and tells it what to do, but I didn't find an integration that bypasses the service and communicates directly with the thermostats. It would be great if there was one though - if only for peace of mind that if they shut down, there's another option.
huzi786802/12/2019 19:49

Can someone help me here. Apologies in advance if this is a stupid …Can someone help me here. Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question. So do I need the smart thermostat for these to work? And if I had the smart thermostat, what would that give me on top? My current setup is i have a boiler in the basement, which is hooked up to a hot water tank upstairs. I want to have multi zone Heating. Not sure where to start though. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.


Get a starter kit (thermostat with a bridge), extension unit (for hot water cylinder) and TRV's for radiators. Depending on settings, each TRV will be able to request heating.
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 20:06

The Tado smart thermostat controls a zone, not an individual radiator. You …The Tado smart thermostat controls a zone, not an individual radiator. You can also use one to control under floor heating.The best control you can have is with TRVs for each rad, plus a Tado bridge. But that gets expensive if you have lots of rads.


Plus thermostat itself to control the boiler (possibly with extention unit, depending on system configuration)
huzi786802/12/2019 20:02

Another question... thanks in advance for whoever can respond. What if I …Another question... thanks in advance for whoever can respond. What if I have two radiators in one room? Do I need to put a Tado TRV on each?


Yes on each
edanfalls02/12/2019 20:32

Also, I was reading on the Tado website that if possible you should have a …Also, I was reading on the Tado website that if possible you should have a separate Smart Thermostat in each room that is either large or where the radiators are a bit concealed. In addition to the Smart TRVs in those rooms. I'm guessing this is just because in both of those cases, it could be a fair bit warmer close to the radiators than in the rest of the room?Although I think you can also set a temperature offset in those rooms to compensate? Or that might have been another system that lets you do that, I can't remember! I've only researched so far so it's a bit confusing!


That's just Tafo trying to flog you more products. You don't need TRVs and thermostat in the same room unless you have money to burn.

Remember each thermostat will need to be connected electrically, somehow, to the boiler. That can be wired (lot of work), or wirelessly, with an extension kit. But each extension kit only connects with one thermostat. I'm not even sure you can have multiple extension kits. So, unless you want to have loads of cabling running round your house from the thermostats to your boiler, I'd recommend you go the TRV route.

Yes, you can set up offsets with both the TRVs and thermostats.
I always find these work better with a thermostat in the room they are in as then you can choose to use the temperature reading on the thermostat and not the trvs as the sensor in the trv is too close to the radiator so it will switch off before the room is at the temp you want it to be.

You can offset the temperature on the trv but then the reading in that room will always be doing and not the true reading.
Edited by: "maxamus007" 2nd Dec 2019
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 20:46

That's just Tafo trying to flog you more products. You don't need TRVs …That's just Tafo trying to flog you more products. You don't need TRVs and thermostat in the same room unless you have money to burn. Remember each thermostat will need to be connected electrically, somehow, to the boiler. That can be wired (lot of work), or wirelessly, with an extension kit. But each extension kit only connects with one thermostat. I'm not even sure you can have multiple extension kits. So, unless you want to have loads of cabling running round your house from the thermostats to your boiler, I'd recommend you go the TRV route. Yes, you can set up offsets with both the TRVs and thermostats.


I already had 2 zones in my house with a traditional room thermostat in each. So I ordered 2 Smart Thermostats to replace them like for like. Is this the right approach?

I thought that having one Smart Thermostat for the whole house would be fine, but then I think I'd need a plumber to combine my 2 zones into 1? As it's not just the wire to the thermostat but the actual piping to the radiators must be split into 2 separate zones too?

Also, is it not the case that you need a minimum of one Smart Thermostat unless you live in a flat or something which doesn't have its own boiler? As the Smart TRVs can't actually call for heat by themselves, right?
edanfalls02/12/2019 20:52

I already had 2 zones in my house with a traditional room thermostat in …I already had 2 zones in my house with a traditional room thermostat in each. So I ordered 2 Smart Thermostats to replace them like for like. Is this the right approach?I thought that having one Smart Thermostat for the whole house would be fine, but then I think I'd need a plumber to combine my 2 zones into 1? As it's not just the wire to the thermostat but the actual piping to the radiators must be split into 2 separate zones too?Also, is it not the case that you need a minimum of one Smart Thermostat unless you live in a flat or something which doesn't have its own boiler? As the Smart TRVs can't actually call for heat by themselves, right?



dimav8302/12/2019 20:40

Plus thermostat itself to control the boiler (possibly with extention …Plus thermostat itself to control the boiler (possibly with extention unit, depending on system configuration)


If you had two traditional thermostats previously, they would have had wired connections to the boiler. The smart thermostats can simply connect to those wires. Yes, that would work and you'd still have two zones, albeit controlled in a smart way.

Remember though, that the two thermostats are only able to call for heat separately - they do not control what heated water goes where. Any rad valves that happen to be open on the CH circuit, will let the hot water in and heat the rads. The design of your circuits, any three/two way valves you have and the radiator valves will do that.

You don't, in theory, need any smart thermostats - after all, you can buy a Tado TRV starter kit, including the internet bridge but no smart thermostat. That kit is for users who want to stick with a conventional programmer but control the temperature in one or two rads only. No, I don't know why anyone would want to do that either!
Edited by: "ScoobyRB5" 2nd Dec 2019
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 21:01

If you had two traditional thermostats previously, they would have had …If you had two traditional thermostats previously, they would have had wired connections to the boiler. The smart TRVs can simply connect to those wires. Yes, that would work and you'd still have two zones, albeit controlled in a smart way. Remember though, that the two thermostats are only able to call for heat separately - they do not control what heated water goes where. Any rad valves that happen to be open on the CH circuit, will let the hot water in and heat the rads. The design of your circuits, any three/two way valves you have and the radiator valves will do that.You don't, in theory, need any smart thermostats - after all, you can buy a Tado TRV starter kit, including the internet bridge but no smart thermostat. That kit is for users who want to stick with a conventional programmer but control the temperature in one or two rads only. No, I don't know why anyone would want to do that either!


Ah, I think I understand now, so you can use the TRV starter kit with a traditional room thermostat, so the room thermostats will call for heat from the boiler, and then any of the smart TRVs which are trying to heat will then do so. Yes I think that would clash somewhat as you'd then need to leave the room thermostat permanently on otherwise the smart TRVs don't always have access to the hot water.

I guess it's a good way for people to dip their toes into the system though and see if it works well for them and expand later. Personally I have held back for a while and now gone all in
I need only 2
dennisuv02/12/2019 21:14

I need only 2


Me too. I already have three and another four seems a luxury. I wish they had a similar deal on their duo pack.......
edanfalls02/12/2019 21:08

Ah, I think I understand now, so you can use the TRV starter kit with a …Ah, I think I understand now, so you can use the TRV starter kit with a traditional room thermostat, so the room thermostats will call for heat from the boiler, and then any of the smart TRVs which are trying to heat will then do so. Yes I think that would clash somewhat as you'd then need to leave the room thermostat permanently on otherwise the smart TRVs don't always have access to the hot water.I guess it's a good way for people to dip their toes into the system though and see if it works well for them and expand later. Personally I have held back for a while and now gone all in



Yes, the smart TRVs will only allow heat into the rads if the CH is on, and that's what the traditional thermostat would control. In that sense, it's not truly smart. Certainly, you couldn't control your CH remotely.

I went all in a year or so ago - three thermostats and three TRVs - and would never look back. The ability to control your heating remotely is a godsend. You won't regret it.

The only irritation is the Tado customer support. They used to have a call centre but now you can only contact they by email, though they were promising chat functionality soon too. So, if things go wrong with their servers or your internet bridge, you've had it.
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 21:24

Yes, the smart TRVs will only allow heat into the rads if the CH is on, …Yes, the smart TRVs will only allow heat into the rads if the CH is on, and that's what the traditional thermostat would control. In that sense, it's not truly smart. Certainly, you couldn't control your CH remotely.I went all in a year or so ago - three thermostats and three TRVs - and would never look back. The ability to control your heating remotely is a godsend. You won't regret it.The only irritation is the Tado customer support. They used to have a call centre but now you can only contact they by email, though they were promising chat functionality soon too. So, if things go wrong with their servers or your internet bridge, you've had it.


Looking forward to it! I hope the open window detection works well too, I must have lost a lot of money from the times I leave a window open and the heating on at the same time when I go out.

I thought I imagined that Tado used to have a phone number on their website, as I was going to ring them today to confirm compatibility before ordering. Some of the information on their website is a bit confusing, I'm guessing as it's translated from German.
dennisuv02/12/2019 21:14

I need only 2


ScoobyRB502/12/2019 21:19

Me too. I already have three and another four seems a luxury. I wish they …Me too. I already have three and another four seems a luxury. I wish they had a similar deal on their duo pack.......


Split a pack of 4 between you!
ScoobyRB502/12/2019 21:01

If you had two traditional thermostats previously, they would have had …If you had two traditional thermostats previously, they would have had wired connections to the boiler. The smart TRVs can simply connect to those wires. Yes, that would work and you'd still have two zones, albeit controlled in a smart way. Remember though, that the two thermostats are only able to call for heat separately - they do not control what heated water goes where. Any rad valves that happen to be open on the CH circuit, will let the hot water in and heat the rads. The design of your circuits, any three/two way valves you have and the radiator valves will do that.You don't, in theory, need any smart thermostats - after all, you can buy a Tado TRV starter kit, including the internet bridge but no smart thermostat. That kit is for users who want to stick with a conventional programmer but control the temperature in one or two rads only. No, I don't know why anyone would want to do that either!


TRV's will connect to those wires? Without a square thermostat? I think you are "not quite right".

In terms of last bit - not quite right. TRV starter kit is for people in flats or if they are renting a room and cannot change the Thermostat. Way from ideal, but at least something for people in such situations.
edanfalls02/12/2019 21:35

Split a pack of 4 between you!


I did, actually, think about doing this but I don't know the other poster.

The other thing to warn everyone about, though, is Tado products can be flaky. Of the three thermostats and three TRVs I have had, I have had to send two thermos and one TRV back for replacement all within one year. Indeed, one of the replacement thermostats they sent me was, itself, defective.

In each case I had to forward Tado a copy of my original invoice with my name and address on it before they would agree to replace the defective unit. Imagine trying to get a replacement unit using an invoice with someone else's name and address on it - it doesn't bear thinking about.
dimav8302/12/2019 21:47

TRV's will connect to those wires? Without a square thermostat? I think …TRV's will connect to those wires? Without a square thermostat? I think you are "not quite right".In terms of last bit - not quite right. TRV starter kit is for people in flats or if they are renting a room and cannot change the Thermostat. Way from ideal, but at least something for people in such situations.


Sorry, yes, you are correct - I meant a smart thermostat, not a TRV. I will adjust my post now
edanfalls02/12/2019 21:33

Looking forward to it! I hope the open window detection works well too, I …Looking forward to it! I hope the open window detection works well too, I must have lost a lot of money from the times I leave a window open and the heating on at the same time when I go out.I thought I imagined that Tado used to have a phone number on their website, as I was going to ring them today to confirm compatibility before ordering. Some of the information on their website is a bit confusing, I'm guessing as it's translated from German.


I've never used the open window detection. It seems a bit of a gimmick to me. After all, I only open my windows in the summer and that's when I don't have the heating on.
edanfalls02/12/2019 21:33

Looking forward to it! I hope the open window detection works well too, I …Looking forward to it! I hope the open window detection works well too, I must have lost a lot of money from the times I leave a window open and the heating on at the same time when I go out.I thought I imagined that Tado used to have a phone number on their website, as I was going to ring them today to confirm compatibility before ordering. Some of the information on their website is a bit confusing, I'm guessing as it's translated from German.


I have 2 zones and TRVs on most my radiators (just ordered 3 more to finish them off). You do need to email them and tell them which TRVs are assigned to which Thermostat once you've set them up.
FatherTed02/12/2019 22:38

I have 2 zones and TRVs on most my radiators (just ordered 3 more to …I have 2 zones and TRVs on most my radiators (just ordered 3 more to finish them off). You do need to email them and tell them which TRVs are assigned to which Thermostat once you've set them up.


Do you have 2 physical zones with your piping and a wire back to the boiler from both Smart Thermostats? Or is one of yours just a wireless add-on?

The reason I ask is I'm wondering if it's possible with 2 physical zones to group between the 2 zones? Basically a large part of our house is open plan on multiple floors, and one of the room thermostats is in that open plan area, but stupidly part of the area is on a different zone to the room thermostat!

So it would be great if somehow we could group all the Smart TRVs in the open plan area into one virtual zone, even though they're across 2 different heating loops.
FatherTed02/12/2019 22:38

I have 2 zones and TRVs on most my radiators (just ordered 3 more to …I have 2 zones and TRVs on most my radiators (just ordered 3 more to finish them off). You do need to email them and tell them which TRVs are assigned to which Thermostat once you've set them up.


Also when you've added the 3 extra TRVs, will that be all radiators with them? Have you had to add a bypass valve to your boiler? My plumber was telling me that we would need that, otherwise if all smart TRVs are closed, there would be nowhere for the water to run to. Or he advised to just leave one radiator without any sort of TRV.
I have 2 physical zones but I'm not sure if you can group between them. You can't configure the zones in much detail in the app but it might be something Tado could do for you if you email them as they seem to have more control over the setup.

I hadn't considered a bypass valve as I assumed the system would shut the boiler off when it closes all the valves but I guess it's possible it could still pump for a short period. I'll need to look into that!

I really wanted to fit valves to all my radiators as even with 2 thermostats and 4 TRVs, I have a problem where one room in the zone is colder than the bedroom which doesn't have the TRV. So there's no way of heating only the cold room without making the bedroom too hot.
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