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Six years ago, Dr Michael Mosley started a health revolution with the 5.2 Fast Diet, telling the world about the incredible power of intermittent fasting. In this book he brings together all the latest science - including a new approach: Time Restricted Eating - to create an easy-to-follow programme. Recent studies have shown that 800 calories is the magic number when it comes to successful dieting - it's an amount high enough to be manageable but low enough to speed weight loss and trigger a range of desirable metabolic changes. The secret of this new programme is that it is highly flexible - depending on your goals, you can choose how intensively you want to do it. Along with delicious, low-carb, Mediterranean-style recipes and menu plans by Dr Clare Bailey, The Fast 800 offers an effective way to help you lose weight, improve mood and reduce blood pressure, inflammation and blood sugars. Take your future health into your own hands.
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the basis of this diet is less calories = weight loss. so the simple way to lose weight is to eat as normal but reduce calories on two days. eventually the weight will drop off. on low calorie days eat food that keeps you feeling full, eg porrige / fibre rich foods.

for more drastic changes cut to 800 calories everyday (only for limited number of 6-8 weeks) that is 1/3rd male or 1/2 female of 'normal' intake. of course balance is the key along with low carb (but at least 20%) .

nothing special just common sense and discipline.
Edited by: "wendy07" 12th Jan 2019
800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating normally again?

Fad diets are useless. Just eat a healthy balanced diet and you will be fine.
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Ordered, thanks.
Fantastic book. The weight just drops
Thanks OP.
the basis of this diet is less calories = weight loss. so the simple way to lose weight is to eat as normal but reduce calories on two days. eventually the weight will drop off. on low calorie days eat food that keeps you feeling full, eg porrige / fibre rich foods.

for more drastic changes cut to 800 calories everyday (only for limited number of 6-8 weeks) that is 1/3rd male or 1/2 female of 'normal' intake. of course balance is the key along with low carb (but at least 20%) .

nothing special just common sense and discipline.
Edited by: "wendy07" 12th Jan 2019
800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating normally again?

Fad diets are useless. Just eat a healthy balanced diet and you will be fine.
5Rivers7936 m ago

800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating …800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating normally again? Fad diets are useless. Just eat a healthy balanced diet and you will be fine.


I haven't read this book but the diet is referred to as intermittent fasting so I assume on this diet you eat normally for 5 days (within reason) and restrict yourself on 2 days a week to 800. The author wouldn't expect you to 'go back to eating normally again' but instead try and find 2 days a week where you could consistently lower your calories on a permanent basis.

Mosely had been arguing that longer term low calorie fasting could reverse early type 2 diabetes for a few years, and while it sounds like a scam the NHS has now adopted a very simar diet as its main advice for those with early type 2 diabetes, even confirming they expect it to reverse the illness in the majority of cases.

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There is debate whether the 5:2 causes weight loss because fasting kicks in special body processes which consume fat.... Or whether all you are really doing is reducing the amount of overall calories you consume in a week. But either way it works well and can be flexible for people who might not normally get on with a calorie controlled diet.
Great book which makes sense of losing weight through dieting.

Amazon as usual changing price almost daily. It was £4 with Amazon around Christmas but they had put it up to £6.29 when I decided to order. We picked our copy up in Asda where it's been £4 for a few weeks apparently. It's also £4.49 in Sainsbury's at the moment.
wendy0712/01/2019 11:41

the basis of this diet is less calories = weight loss. so the simple way …the basis of this diet is less calories = weight loss. so the simple way to lose weight is to eat as normal but reduce calories on two days. eventually the weight will drop off. on low calorie days eat food that keeps you feeling full, eg porrige / fibre rich foods. for more drastic changes cut to 800 calories everyday (only for limited number of 6-8 weeks) that is 1/3rd male or 1/2 female of 'normal' intake. of course balance is the key along with low carb (but at least 20%) . nothing special just common sense and discipline.


It's not the basis of the theory of the diet at all

The principle behind the methodology is that it's about insulin control rather than calorie control

Anyone interested in this should watch Jason Fung videos on YouTube and read the lean gains book, or the obesity code. Michael Moseley is great at commercialising his ideas but his methodologies are sub optimal imo
Kindle Edition is £3.80.
No diet required. Haven't you heard that obesity is a disease?
Damn I ordered this a couple days ago it arrived today but it was over £6
5Rivers7912/01/2019 11:51

800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating …800 calories a day? Wtf lol Then what about when you go back to eating normally again? Fad diets are useless. Just eat a healthy balanced diet and you will be fine.


When you start eating more calories than you need again then off course you will put weight on. Eating less and exercising is hardly a fad, it's common sense. What it is great for is making it easy to lose weight, because you can start with 5:2 and go to 2:5 and then every day, or whatever works. For people who are too heavy to exercise effectively, without doing damage to their joints etc. then this is a very effective way of losing weight in order to get fit. I believe that it's also an effective I've way of reversing diabetes type two in its early stages - and it what is currently being trialled/recommended by the NHS.

You can also eat more healthily with your 800 calories, by eating more low energy density food to give you the feeling of fullness. That is probably key to any form of effective dieting.
Blurigard12/01/2019 16:01

When you start eating more calories than you need again then off course …When you start eating more calories than you need again then off course you will put weight on. Eating less and exercising is hardly a fad, it's common sense. What it is great for is making it easy to lose weight, because you can start with 5:2 and go to 2:5 and then every day, or whatever works. For people who are too heavy to exercise effectively, without doing damage to their joints etc. then this is a very effective way of losing weight in order to get fit. I believe that it's also an effective I've way of reversing diabetes type two in its early stages - and it what is currently being trialled/recommended by the NHS. You can also eat more healthily with your 800 calories, by eating more low energy density food to give you the feeling of fullness. That is probably key to any form of effective dieting.


Eating less and exercising never go hand in hand and are a recipe for injury. You need to eat to fuel your workouts. Eat enough calories to put you in a slight deficit and make sure the food that you are eating is healthy, leafy and full of nutrients.

Crashing down to 800 calories is nota good idea in my opinion. Not sustainable at all.

As for intermittent fast and time restricted eating, I know enough about those topics as I use them myself.
Eat less, move more.

Thanks, bye.
Is the book primarily recipes or theories
5Rivers7912/01/2019 16:06

You need to eat to fuel your workouts. Eat enough calories to put you in a …You need to eat to fuel your workouts. Eat enough calories to put you in a slight deficit


Aren't you confusing exercising to keep fit with exercising to lose weight. If you are exercising to lose weight (by burning calories stored as fat), don't you think that eating almost as many calories as you plan to burn is going to sabotage any weight loss?

Think about it, I plan to do 500 kcal of exercise but I eat 475 kcals to do it. the sum total of around an hours boring exercise is a loss of 25 kcal (plus a small bonus from the elevated metabolic rate). You might as well skip the gym and just eat half a dozen less peanuts.
fablanta13/01/2019 00:22

Aren't you confusing exercising to keep fit with exercising to lose …Aren't you confusing exercising to keep fit with exercising to lose weight. If you are exercising to lose weight (by burning calories stored as fat), don't you think that eating almost as many calories as you plan to burn is going to sabotage any weight loss? Think about it, I plan to do 500 kcal of exercise but I eat 475 kcals to do it. the sum total of around an hours boring exercise is a loss of 25 kcal (plus a small bonus from the elevated metabolic rate). You might as well skip the gym and just eat half a dozen less peanuts.


Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a slight deficit. You will lose weight.

As for skipping the gym and eating half less? What kind of advice is that? Surely losing weight also involves getting fitter and healthier. Exercise isn’t all about weight loss but also about improving heart health and your cardio vascular system.

Also why would you do boring exercise? Do an activity that you know you will enjoy..exercise doesn’t have to be boring, it doesn’t have to be getting on a treadmill for 45minutes. Exercise can be any physical activity that you enjoy.

The main reasons why diets fail is because they are temporary fixes. Telling an over weight person who has a unhealthy relationship with food to eat half less will not work in the long term. They might do it for a week or a month but it will never last. Diets fail, life style changes succeed.
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5Rivers7913/01/2019 03:41

Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a …Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a slight deficit. You will lose weight. As for skipping the gym and eating half less? What kind of advice is that? Surely losing weight also involves getting fitter and healthier.


"Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a slight deficit."
Like I said, why eat? You still haven't explained why you should load up on calories before you burn them.

"What kind of advice is that?"
What I said wasn't advice it was an example to demonstrate why eating before calorie burning exercise does not seem to be logical.

"Surely losing weight also involves getting fitter and healthier"
Sure you can get fitter but the book in question is not aimed at people who want to be fitter it is aimed at people who feel they need to lose weight. Increased fitness is nice but it is just a secondary benefit.

"The main reasons why diets fail is because they are temporary fixes"
Most fad diet are not meant to be permanent. What they can do is break someone's old eating patterns. Also if they do lose any weight that could give them a psychological boost to maintain that loss when the fad diet is over. Furthermore most fad diets don't fail. People do lose weight on them. I think the problem is people become bored with what they have to eat or crave their old favourites too much and start cheating before they reach their target. The more effort and will power you have to put into a diet, they sooner you will stop. In respect to will power and effort a healthy diet can be just as tedious and unsustainable as a fad diet.

"Diets fail, life style changes succeed."
So embarking on a healthy diet is doomed to failure then
Edited by: "fablanta" 13th Jan 2019
fablanta13/01/2019 17:10

"Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a …"Like I said, eat enough calories to sustain your workouts but keep a slight deficit."Like I said, why eat? You still haven't explained why you should load up on calories before you burn them."What kind of advice is that?"What I said wasn't advice it was an example to demonstrate why eating before calorie burning exercise does not seem to be logical."Surely losing weight also involves getting fitter and healthier"Sure you can get fitter but the book in question is not aimed at people who want to be fitter it is aimed at people who feel they need to lose weight. Increased fitness is nice but it is just a secondary benefit."The main reasons why diets fail is because they are temporary fixes"Most fad diet are not meant to be permanent. What they can do is break someone's old eating patterns. Also if they do lose any weight that could give them a psychological boost to maintain that loss when the fad diet is over. Furthermore most fad diets don't fail. People do lose weight on them. I think the problem is people become bored with what they have to eat or crave their old favourites too much and start cheating before they reach their target. The more effort and will power you have to put into a diet, they sooner you will stop. In respect to will power and effort a healthy diet can be just as tedious and unsustainable as a fad diet."Diets fail, life style changes succeed."So embarking on a healthy diet is doomed to failure then



Eating a 800 calorie diet is not healthy.

Being fit is secondary? Really? Fair enough let’s advise the population to eat 800 calories. That’s around 3 standard size bars of snickers. Have one three times a day. Might lose weight but goodluck with your health their buddy.
5Rivers7913/01/2019 17:17

Eating a 800 calorie diet is not healthy. Being fit is secondary? Really? …Eating a 800 calorie diet is not healthy. Being fit is secondary? Really? Fair enough let’s advise the population to eat 800 calories. That’s around 3 standard size bars of snickers. Have one three times a day. Might lose weight but goodluck with your health their buddy.


Since you clearly haven't read the book, or listened to or seen Mosley's explanations and research (and that's all too obvious from your comments) the points you're making make little sense.

It's not a permanent 800 calories a day - it's for a specific time-limited period. It works, and it can (and does) actually reverse Type 2 diabetes without the need for medications.

Do a bit of research - you'll find it'll save you from making pointless posts.
Newbold13/01/2019 17:23

Since you clearly haven't read the book, or listened to or seen Mosley's …Since you clearly haven't read the book, or listened to or seen Mosley's explanations and research (and that's all too obvious from your comments) the points you're making make little sense.It's not a permanent 800 calories a day - it's for a specific time-limited period. It works, and it can (and does) actually reverse Type 2 diabetes without the need for medications.Do a bit of research - you'll find it'll save you from making pointless posts.


I watch most of Mosley’s programmes. He says he hates exercising and that lifting light weights builds as much muscle mass as lifting heavy. Hmmmm an expert in his field.
5Rivers7913/01/2019 17:25

I watch most of Mosley’s programmes. He says he hates exercising and that l …I watch most of Mosley’s programmes. He says he hates exercising and that lifting light weights builds as much muscle mass as lifting heavy. Hmmmm an expert in his field.


Difficult one. Who to believe? You or Dr Michael Mosley?

Michael Mosley studied medicine in London and qualified as a doctor but for the last 25 years he’s been working as a documentary maker and an award winning science journalist.

His programmes have won an RTS, an EMMY and he was named ‘medical journalist of the year’ by the British Medical Association for a ground-breaking programme on Helicobacter pylori.

His most recent work includes Countdown to Life: The extraordinary making of you and various episodes of Horizon, including investigations of the benefits of high intensity exercise and the impact of e-cigarettes. He’s also a regular presenter on The One Show.

In Trust Me I’m a Doctor, Michael investigates the latest evidence behind health claims and headlines – for instance, whether sugar is really the new tobacco, how much is too much alcohol and whether we should worry about air pollution. He has also set up big experiments looking at the benefits of eating oily fish, whether cooking with turmeric can help prevent cancer and how to increase our levels of vitamin D.
Newbold13/01/2019 17:34

Difficult one. Who to believe? You or Dr Michael Mosley?Michael Mosley …Difficult one. Who to believe? You or Dr Michael Mosley?Michael Mosley studied medicine in London and qualified as a doctor but for the last 25 years he’s been working as a documentary maker and an award winning science journalist.His programmes have won an RTS, an EMMY and he was named ‘medical journalist of the year’ by the British Medical Association for a ground-breaking programme on Helicobacter pylori.His most recent work includes Countdown to Life: The extraordinary making of you and various episodes of Horizon, including investigations of the benefits of high intensity exercise and the impact of e-cigarettes. He’s also a regular presenter on The One Show.In Trust Me I’m a Doctor, Michael investigates the latest evidence behind health claims and headlines – for instance, whether sugar is really the new tobacco, how much is too much alcohol and whether we should worry about air pollution. He has also set up big experiments looking at the benefits of eating oily fish, whether cooking with turmeric can help prevent cancer and how to increase our levels of vitamin D.


I didn’t say you had to believe me. But clearly this is a country of people where the problem of obesity is getting worse not better. And if you think eating 800 calories a day for a certain number of weeks will alter a persons habits who has had a bad relationship with food for their whole life will work then honestly goodluck.

There’s a reason why the health professionals are now labelling obesity as a disease. If it was as simple as eat 800 calories and you will be okay then everybody would be doing it and we’d all be slim.

As for turmeric, I’m of a Indian background. Modern science may have only realised the properties of it now but these new found health benefits of turmeric are ancient history lol.
5Rivers7913/01/2019 17:51

I didn’t say you had to believe me. But clearly this is a country of p …I didn’t say you had to believe me. But clearly this is a country of people where the problem of obesity is getting worse not better. And if you think eating 800 calories a day for a certain number of weeks will alter a persons habits who has had a bad relationship with food for their whole life will work then honestly goodluck. There’s a reason why the health professionals are now labelling obesity as a disease. If it was as simple as eat 800 calories and you will be okay then everybody would be doing it and we’d all be slim. As for turmeric, I’m of a Indian background. Modern science may have only realised the properties of it now but these new found health benefits of turmeric are ancient history lol.


This is a pointless argument, because it’s very clearly a subject of which you have no knowledge.
I’ll leave you to your thoughts and waste no more time on the matter.
Newbold46 s ago

This is a pointless argument, because it’s very clearly a subject of which …This is a pointless argument, because it’s very clearly a subject of which you have no knowledge.I’ll leave you to your thoughts and waste no more time on the matter.


Lol if you say so my friend. Goodluck with your weight loss endeavours
Newbold9 h, 34 m ago

This is a pointless argument, because it’s very clearly a subject of which …This is a pointless argument, because it’s very clearly a subject of which you have no knowledge.I’ll leave you to your thoughts and waste no more time on the matter.


I feel your pain.

  • I asked him twice why he said you had to eat to do fat burning exercise but he couldn't come up with anything.
  • I debunk his statements and all he comes up with in reply are his unrelated mantras.
  • He clearly has no idea that there is a difference between exercise for weight loss and exercise for muscle building.
  • I said fad diets aren't permanent, you said fad diets aren't permanent, even he knows they are not permanent. Despite knowing they are not forever he still goes on as if it doesn't matter how much weight they make you lose, because they are not permanent.

I think I might follow your lead by bowing out and leave him to admire his muscles. This is becoming a battle of wits and I don't want to come across as a bully by attacking an unarmed opponent.
vik112th Jan

It's not the basis of the theory of the diet at allThe principle behind …It's not the basis of the theory of the diet at allThe principle behind the methodology is that it's about insulin control rather than calorie controlAnyone interested in this should watch Jason Fung videos on YouTube and read the lean gains book, or the obesity code. Michael Moseley is great at commercialising his ideas but his methodologies are sub optimal imo


any diet is controlling insulin. as you say - just some better than others .. primarily in calorie terms carbs at 25% protein 20% the rest fat . less carbs forces reserve fat to be used .. as fat is lost if diabetic the insulin impaired issue - is reversed.

i have used the above carb/protein/fat ratio at 1000 - 1400 average daily intake and after the first week it becomes normal and by week 6 - 8 the weight just falls off. thereafter to maintain a 5/2 or 4/3.
Edited by: "wendy07" 19th Jan 2019
So many doctors and medical experts posting.

With their opinion based on %%%% all

Ha Ha
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