The Order 1886 - BlackWater Edition £19.99 Prime / £22.98 Non Prime @ Amazon
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The Order 1886 - BlackWater Edition £19.99 Prime / £22.98 Non Prime @ Amazon

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Found 13th Jul 2016
I don't expect this to get much heat, but posting just as a heads up to those who missed out on the Game price.

£19.99 at Amazon, sold by Amazon. 1p under the Free Delivery though, so you'll need an add on item if you want free delivery.

Personally, one of my most underrated games of this gen.
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Heat! Bought this a few months ago and bought the collectors edition of the game just two weeks ago for £37. Regardless of how many people moan about this game, I did love it!
Same price at game
Its PS4's answer to Gears of War. A solid single player campaign, but too short and annoying lengthy cut scenes. The lack of additional content, no multiplayer modes, and no new game plus...........buried it as a flop.
mixmixi

Heat! Bought this a few months ago and bought the collectors edition of … Heat! Bought this a few months ago and bought the collectors edition of the game just two weeks ago for £37. Regardless of how many people moan about this game, I did love it!



Same. I waited and bought it on the cheap because of the bad press it got. Ended up actually really enjoying the game. So much so I also have bought it twice in different editions
Like I said in another post. It's a quality cinematic game with a good 7/8 hour story.
If people played it and didn't like it, that's cool. It's a genuine opinion. But I laugh at the people who slated it, but never played it.

Edited by: "RebTheRebel" 13th Jul 2016
Heated
what a waste of 20 quid
Just looked at an unboxing, the quality of the blackwater vial is crap.
No steelbook, cold
Heat. Not got this yet and don't really do special editions but still heat for deal
cheers!!!
Same price at Game instore
Very tempting, not sure I'll bite yet though, heat added.
jimbo001

Same price at Game instore



But no stores has them and if the do. They are gone within hours.
Got this in Game the other day, it's a pretty good game. Kind of a strange special edition. My wife loves the pendant (which gets me off the hook for buying it) but I'm not sure what I'll do with the postcards and patches...

The DLC is just costumes, the behind the scenes video is less than 5 minutes long and the box is about 3 times the size of its contents, too. Comfortably worth £20 overall though for the game and pendant.
Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on the Canadian PS Store). Bloody brilliant, particularly the quick-time lycan fights. The number of people who formed their "opinion" based on the reviews *sigh*.
silvercondor

Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on … Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on the Canadian PS Store). Bloody brilliant, particularly the quick-time lycan fights. The number of people who formed their "opinion" based on the reviews *sigh*.


Exactly.
As a *cough* older gamer in his late 30s, this is the real scourge of the modern era reviews. Reviews today are so mixed it's almost impossible to truly have an idea of a game before you buy it. I don't know what's changed, but when I was a teen, reviews seemed to the point but fair in comparison to similar games. You basically knew what you was getting. But today, reviews pick up on things that are not necessarily negative, just different to the norm. Yet they are bashed for being so. It's a culture that I find sadly negative. And to add to that, the amount of people bashing games they have never even touched just because they've read a negative review... what's that all about? Seriously? I'm not even talking about this game actually, just games in general. Basically, don't be sheep people, play a game that maybe a genre that you like, and judge it for yourself. You might just surprisingly like what you find
Edited by: "RebTheRebel" 13th Jul 2016
malachi

But no stores has them and if the do. They are gone within hours.


It's £19.99 online as well though, not just in store. Depends if you have any game points to use up or Amazon vouchers to use.
RebTheRebel

Exactly.As a *cough* older gamer in his late 30s, this is the real … Exactly.As a *cough* older gamer in his late 30s, this is the real scourge of the modern era reviews. Reviews today are so mixed it's almost impossible to truly have an idea of a game before you buy it. I don't know what's changed, but when I was a teen, reviews seemed to the point but fair in comparison to similar games. You basically knew what you was getting. But today, reviews pick up on things that are not necessarily negative, just different to the norm. Yet they are bashed for being so. It's a culture that I find sadly negative. And to add to that, the amount of people bashing games they have never even touched just because they've read a negative review... what's that all about? Seriously? I'm not even talking about this game actually, just games in general. Basically, don't be sheep people, play a game that maybe a genre that you like, and judge it for yourself. You might just surprisingly like what you find



^ What he said X)

Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've described. It's relentlessly criticised by gamers as being one of the weakest entries in the series, but does that mean it's not worthy of playing in its own right? Does it have no redeeming qualities? Let's not forget Famitsu gave it a hilarious near-perfect 39/40! Yet people who've never actually played it seem to take some bizarre pleasure in dismissing it completely - because western reviewers didn't like it much.

I actually had a bit of a fallout with one of my mates when it was initially released, as Giant Bomb told him it was rubbish. I suggested I'd rather make up my own mind - as a fan of the series, but he couldn't believe I'd waste my time or money. Incidentally, he had a dig when he saw I was playing The Order, too: "Just because it's cheap doesn't mean you should buy it." Dude, I got way more than £6 worth of enjoyment from it.

One of the things The Order in particular was criticised for was lack of multiplayer. As a *cough* older gamer in his mid-thirties I'd honestly consider lack of multiplayer a positive in most games. I reject the notion that every game should ship with some sort of shoehorned multiplayer/co-op option, just because. If I want to socialise, I'll socialise; when I game, I want to sit in the dark and be left the hell alone X)
silvercondor

^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've … ^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've described. It's relentlessly criticised by gamers as being one of the weakest entries in the series, but does that mean it's not worthy of playing in its own right? Does it have no redeeming qualities? Let's not forget Famitsu gave it a hilarious near-perfect 39/40! Yet people who've never actually played it seem to take some bizarre pleasure in dismissing it completely - because western reviewers didn't like it much.I actually had a bit of a fallout with one of my mates when it was initially released, as Giant Bomb told him it was rubbish. I suggested I'd rather make up my own mind - as a fan of the series, but he couldn't believe I'd waste my time or money. Incidentally, he had a dig when he saw I was playing The Order, too: "Just because it's cheap doesn't mean you should buy it." Dude, I got way more than £6 worth of enjoyment from it.One of the things The Order in particular was criticised for was lack of multiplayer. As a *cough* older gamer in his mid-thirties I'd honestly consider lack of multiplayer a positive in most games. I reject the notion that every game should ship with some sort of shoehorned multiplayer/co-op option, just because. If I want to socialise, I'll socialise; when I game, I want to sit in the dark and be left the hell alone X)


This....
....I concur entirely, good sir
silvercondor

^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've … ^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've described. It's relentlessly criticised by gamers as being one of the weakest entries in the series, but does that mean it's not worthy of playing in its own right? Does it have no redeeming qualities? Let's not forget Famitsu gave it a hilarious near-perfect 39/40! Yet people who've never actually played it seem to take some bizarre pleasure in dismissing it completely - because western reviewers didn't like it much.I actually had a bit of a fallout with one of my mates when it was initially released, as Giant Bomb told him it was rubbish. I suggested I'd rather make up my own mind - as a fan of the series, but he couldn't believe I'd waste my time or money. Incidentally, he had a dig when he saw I was playing The Order, too: "Just because it's cheap doesn't mean you should buy it." Dude, I got way more than £6 worth of enjoyment from it.One of the things The Order in particular was criticised for was lack of multiplayer. As a *cough* older gamer in his mid-thirties I'd honestly consider lack of multiplayer a positive in most games. I reject the notion that every game should ship with some sort of shoehorned multiplayer/co-op option, just because. If I want to socialise, I'll socialise; when I game, I want to sit in the dark and be left the hell alone X)


I couldn't agree more. Every game should aim to have an excellent,lengthy single player first and foremost.
So this movie gets slated left, right and center, but when a blockbuster called Until Dawn hits the box offices - everyone loves it. I don't get you, people. Heat. Will try to pick up one.
Loved it but massive shame it had no multiplayer. Could have been as big as gears. Am sure the sequel will be packing though as they don't need development time working on the engine as it is already done.
I really enjoyed this game, amazing graphics with a great story and good game play.
Ordered thanks op
Love this game. True cinematic experience with an amazing ending. Highly recommended for anyone who enjoys games that make you feel like you're part of a well-written story.
I also really enjoyed this...
Despite the negative press, this is a good game imo. And probably the best graphics so far this gen. However, i paid a fiver for the standard edition. And this is £20 with a big box, costume dlc and a plastic bracelet?
I think reviews of this game were low due to reviewers going in with high expectations after the developers over promised and under delivered.
But if you play this game knowing it's a 6 - 7 hour story-driven cover based shooter, I don't see any reason why you won't have a good time. I really do hope that make a sequel at some stage.
What tat do you get with this version?
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Beautiful graphics for an unfinished demo.
Cameron92

What tat do you get with this version?



It's a Galahad tattoo, but you have to get it on your bum. Highly recommend it.
silvercondor

It's a Galahad tattoo, but you have to get it on your bum. Highly … It's a Galahad tattoo, but you have to get it on your bum. Highly recommend it.



I wear the plastic pendant everywhere I go. The blokes at work think I'm the coolest...
silvercondor

^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've … ^ What he said X)Resident Evil 6 epitomises the phenomenon you've described. It's relentlessly criticised by gamers as being one of the weakest entries in the series, but does that mean it's not worthy of playing in its own right? Does it have no redeeming qualities? Let's not forget Famitsu gave it a hilarious near-perfect 39/40! Yet people who've never actually played it seem to take some bizarre pleasure in dismissing it completely - because western reviewers didn't like it much.I actually had a bit of a fallout with one of my mates when it was initially released, as Giant Bomb told him it was rubbish. I suggested I'd rather make up my own mind - as a fan of the series, but he couldn't believe I'd waste my time or money. Incidentally, he had a dig when he saw I was playing The Order, too: "Just because it's cheap doesn't mean you should buy it." Dude, I got way more than £6 worth of enjoyment from it.One of the things The Order in particular was criticised for was lack of multiplayer. As a *cough* older gamer in his mid-thirties I'd honestly consider lack of multiplayer a positive in most games. I reject the notion that every game should ship with some sort of shoehorned multiplayer/co-op option, just because. If I want to socialise, I'll socialise; when I game, I want to sit in the dark and be left the hell alone X)


Ive bought the Order on the cheap to try, can't hurt to really, so I agree with your point.that said, Resi 6 is a complete turd. Redeeming qualities? Well yes, I suppose there are one or two, mainly being when it's all over


silvercondor

Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on … Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on the Canadian PS Store). Bloody brilliant, particularly the quick-time lycan fights. The number of people who formed their "opinion" based on the reviews *sigh*.

silvercondor

Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on … Just finished this at the weekend (having picked it up for a few quid on the Canadian PS Store). Bloody brilliant, particularly the quick-time lycan fights. The number of people who formed their "opinion" based on the reviews *sigh*.




And just as some of us hear about how we're now in an age of post-fact politics, it appears the same is true of gaming for some.

I played through this to the end, and I can say that the reviews were spot on. Don't like "experts"? Fine, don't be discerning, put your money down and take chances despite the massive amount of choice you have available to you being potentially overwhelming. You're a marketing man's dream - someone who'll buy something even though it might not be very good, and quite possibly isn't. Just like The Order really wasn't - it's short, there's hardly any gameplay (and QTEs are most certainly not gameplay), what story there is is clichéd and aside from the graphical fidelity everything is overcooked.

Believe it or not, reviewers are not superhuman and nor are they ever paid off. And before you say it, I've worked briefly as a game reviewer in the past. They're gamers like you and me, except that they probably have more experience and their reputation on the line to ensure that their reviews are reputable. And they don't band together to decide what score to give before they do.

All this means that you can use multiple reviews - and I'd say you should always use multiple views to educate yourself on anything, rather than a single source - to determine what to spend your money on before you do so. Marketing campaigns are designed to sell you an idea of a product, not necessarily what you'll actually get. That's why we have reviews in the first place. Anything else is just encouraging companies to develop products that sell, even if they're not very good once you have them.

So don't be a sheep and don't buy something without informing yourself first.
schnide

And just as some of us hear about how we're now in an age of post-fact … And just as some of us hear about how we're now in an age of post-fact politics, it appears the same is true of gaming for some.I played through this to the end, and I can say that the reviews were spot on. Don't like "experts"? Fine, don't be discerning, put your money down and take chances despite the massive amount of choice you have available to you being potentially overwhelming. You're a marketing man's dream - someone who'll buy something even though it might not be very good, and quite possibly isn't. Just like The Order really wasn't - it's short, there's hardly any gameplay (and QTEs are most certainly not gameplay), what story there is is clichéd and aside from the graphical fidelity everything is overcooked.Believe it or not, reviewers are not superhuman and nor are they ever paid off. And before you say it, I've worked briefly as a game reviewer in the past. They're gamers like you and me, except that they probably have more experience and their reputation on the line to ensure that their reviews are reputable. And they don't band together to decide what score to give before they do.All this means that you can use multiple reviews - and I'd say you should always use multiple views to educate yourself on anything, rather than a single source - to determine what to spend your money on before you do so. Marketing campaigns are designed to sell you an idea of a product, not necessarily what you'll actually get. That's why we have reviews in the first place. Anything else is just encouraging companies to develop products that sell, even if they're not very good once you have them.So don't be a sheep and don't buy something without informing yourself first.



Well that was remarkably patronising slash condescending (they usually go hand in hand, right?). I'm sure videogame journalists worldwide are eternally grateful that you jumped to their defence so vehemently. "And before you say it", I too have worked as a reviewer of games in the past (under the esteemed HUKD banner, no less).

At the risk of sounding similarly patronising slash condescending, I think you've missed the point RebTheRebel and I were trying to make: that modern criteria for videogame reviews seems somewhat questionable. Personally, I don't care how long a game lasts. Hell, there's a trophy for finishing Resident Evil REmake in less than THREE HOURS. Nor do I need multiplayer, but the lack thereof is often cited as a negative in modern gaming. There you go; that's two negatives I couldn't care less about - in general and as pertains to The Order.

The other point was that gamers seem to take delight in disparaging games they've never actually played. "Giant Bomb told me that game's rubbish, so no one should ever play it EVER." There is no right or wrong when it comes to enjoying something. If you like it, you like it, and to hell with everyone else (er, so long as it's legal). But the attitude seems to be that if Metacritic has a fairly low rating for a particular game, you're an utter moron for giving it the time of day; the second-hand opinion of the reader is somehow (supposedly) mightier than that of the player. How utterly absurd.

Likewise, I can appreciate that you maybe didn't enjoy The Order. That's cool. But again you seem to be of the opinion that no one should. No one's saying it's The Best Game Ever, but why does it have to be? I don't always need to eat the "best" flavour of crisps (cheese & onion), or make sweet love to the most beautiful lady, or listen to the best album ever recorded; I consider myself a bit of a burger connoisseur, but I'm not above eating a double cheeseburger from McDonald's. Variety is the spice of life, man, and sometimes something that isn't necessarily the "best" can still prove hugely alluring/endearing/appealing (delete as appropriate). Just look at the heat on this deal.

I've no idea what I'm talking about anymore, and my pizza's ready. Subjectivity! Yes. That'll do. Subjectivity. Respect each other's likes and dislikes, and don't foist reviewers' opinions on others when you've NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME.
Gone up to £57
schnide

And just as some of us hear about how we're now in an age of post-fact … And just as some of us hear about how we're now in an age of post-fact politics, it appears the same is true of gaming for some.I played through this to the end, and I can say that the reviews were spot on. Don't like "experts"? Fine, don't be discerning, put your money down and take chances despite the massive amount of choice you have available to you being potentially overwhelming. You're a marketing man's dream - someone who'll buy something even though it might not be very good, and quite possibly isn't. Just like The Order really wasn't - it's short, there's hardly any gameplay (and QTEs are most certainly not gameplay), what story there is is clichéd and aside from the graphical fidelity everything is overcooked.Believe it or not, reviewers are not superhuman and nor are they ever paid off. And before you say it, I've worked briefly as a game reviewer in the past. They're gamers like you and me, except that they probably have more experience and their reputation on the line to ensure that their reviews are reputable. And they don't band together to decide what score to give before they do.All this means that you can use multiple reviews - and I'd say you should always use multiple views to educate yourself on anything, rather than a single source - to determine what to spend your money on before you do so. Marketing campaigns are designed to sell you an idea of a product, not necessarily what you'll actually get. That's why we have reviews in the first place. Anything else is just encouraging companies to develop products that sell, even if they're not very good once you have them.So don't be a sheep and don't buy something without informing yourself first.



Well no argument from me there, you played it and found it the way you did. I'm totally with you and cool with that. But, you say you agree with the reviews, and that leads to the problem and kind of my point. Which reviews?

This game (and countless others in truth) received scores as broad on the ratings spectrum of 20/100 to 95/100!
Digital Trends scored it 20/100
Giant Bomb 40/100.
GameSpot 50/100
IGN 65/100
Eurogamer 80/100
Play UK (Biased?) 81/100
GameTrailers 82/100
Gaming Trend (Who?) 95/100
See, this is my issue with modern reviews. We all play different genres of games, we all like and dislike them in different ways. The lowest scoring reviews for The Order 1886 were highly critical of its quick time events and long cutscenes. Yet the reviewers who liked the game on the other hand, praised it for its use of cutscenes and QTEs.

Despite liking this game, i agree that i thought it did rely on the QTE too much. But despite that, fellow gamers enjoyed them. Does it make me right? No. Does it make them wrong? No. It just means we like different things. And what defines a short game? 6,7,8 hours depending on how you play? I honestly wouldn't even notice this was a short game until reviews were pointing it out to me. I don't find the 8 hours it took me to finish this game as short. But that's just me.

I too, have reviewed a few games in the past. Started out with Pocket Gamer, and onto Independent sites as favours to friends. At no point did i say i didn't like 'experts' and yes, there is an overwhelming choice in games to pick and choose from. That is why in a previous post i stated i didn't originally purchase The Order due to the negativity i had seen in passing. I waited until it was cheap, picked it up and thoroughly enjoyed the game.

How all this makes me a marketing man's dream? i don't know.
To buy a game, that has a mixed bag of critical reviews and looked interesting, was cheap enough to give it a go, forum users saying they liked it, and in the end after playing i really enjoyed it....well if that makes me a marketing man's dream, then i guess i must be one.

I'll be the first to say that what the developers were promising at the beginning, were not what they delivered. Hence why i didn't buy on its release. I waited over two years for that. We NEED reviews, of course we do. But do we need reviews slating something about a game or indeed praising the same thing?
Its all personal preference, but i would much sooner see a review that just tells me that the game is full of QTEs and long cutscenes so i can decide if i want a game that does that rather than some individual screaming how terrible it is because they have them, whilst some other reviewer is shouting about how good it is for the exact same reason.

Edited by: "RebTheRebel" 14th Jul 2016
silvercondor

Well that was remarkably patronising slash condescending (they usually go … Well that was remarkably patronising slash condescending (they usually go hand in hand, right?). I'm sure videogame journalists worldwide are eternally grateful that you jumped to their defence so vehemently. "And before you say it", I too have worked as a reviewer of games in the past (under the esteemed HUKD banner, no less).At the risk of sounding similarly patronising slash condescending, I think you've missed the point RebTheRebel and I were trying to make: that modern criteria for videogame reviews seems somewhat questionable. Personally, I don't care how long a game lasts. Hell, there's a trophy for finishing Resident Evil REmake in less than THREE HOURS. Nor do I need multiplayer, but the lack thereof is often cited as a negative in modern gaming. There you go; that's two negatives I couldn't care less about - in general and as pertains to The Order.The other point was that gamers seem to take delight in disparaging games they've never actually played. "Giant Bomb told me that game's rubbish, so no one should ever play it EVER." There is no right or wrong when it comes to enjoying something. If you like it, you like it, and to hell with everyone else (er, so long as it's legal). But the attitude seems to be that if Metacritic has a fairly low rating for a particular game, you're an utter moron for giving it the time of day; the second-hand opinion of the reader is somehow (supposedly) mightier than that of the player. How utterly absurd.Likewise, I can appreciate that you maybe didn't enjoy The Order. That's cool. But again you seem to be of the opinion that no one should. No one's saying it's The Best Game Ever, but why does it have to be? I don't always need to eat the "best" flavour of crisps (cheese & onion), or make sweet love to the most beautiful lady, or listen to the best album ever recorded; I consider myself a bit of a burger connoisseur, but I'm not above eating a double cheeseburger from McDonald's. Variety is the spice of life, man, and sometimes something that isn't necessarily the "best" can still prove hugely alluring/endearing/appealing (delete as appropriate). Just look at the heat on this deal.I've no idea what I'm talking about anymore, and my pizza's ready. Subjectivity! Yes. That'll do. Subjectivity. Respect each other's likes and dislikes, and don't foist reviewers' opinions on others when you've NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME.



I think I love you... in a real 'mans man' kind of way...
RebTheRebel

Well no argument from me there, you played it and found it the way you … Well no argument from me there, you played it and found it the way you did. I'm totally with you and cool with that. But, you say you agree with the reviews, and that leads to the problem and kind of my point. Which reviews?This game (and countless others in truth) received scores as broad on the ratings spectrum of 20/100 to 95/100!Digital Trends scored it 20/100Giant Bomb 40/100. GameSpot 50/100IGN 65/100Eurogamer 80/100Play UK (Biased?) 81/100GameTrailers 82/100Gaming Trend (Who?) 95/100See, this is my issue with modern reviews. We all play different genres of games, we all like and dislike them in different ways. The lowest scoring reviews for The Order 1886 were highly critical of its quick time events and long cutscenes. Yet the reviewers who liked the game on the other hand, praised it for its use of cutscenes and QTEs. Despite liking this game, i agree that i thought it did rely on the QTE too much. But despite that, fellow gamers enjoyed them. Does it make me right? No. Does it make them wrong? No. It just means we like different things. And what defines a short game? 6,7,8 hours depending on how you play? I honestly wouldn't even notice this was a short game until reviews were pointing it out to me. I don't find the 8 hours it took me to finish this game as short. But that's just me.I too, have reviewed a few games in the past. Started out with Pocket Gamer, and onto Independent sites as favours to friends. At no point did i say i didn't like 'experts' and yes, there is an overwhelming choice in games to pick and choose from. That is why in a previous post i stated i didn't originally purchase The Order due to the negativity i had seen in passing. I waited until it was cheap, picked it up and thoroughly enjoyed the game. How all this makes me a marketing man's dream? i don't know. To buy a game, that has a mixed bag of critical reviews and looked interesting, was cheap enough to give it a go, forum users saying they liked it, and in the end after playing i really enjoyed it....well if that makes me a marketing man's dream, then i guess i must be one. I'll be the first to say that what the developers were promising at the beginning, were not what they delivered. Hence why i didn't buy on its release. I waited over two years for that. We NEED reviews, of course we do. But do we need reviews slating something about a game or indeed praising the same thing? Its all personal preference, but i would much sooner see a review that just tells me that the game is full of QTEs and long cutscenes so i can decide if i want a game that does that rather than some individual screaming how terrible it is because they have them, whilst some other reviewer is shouting about how good it is for the exact same reason.



A nuanced and well thought out reply, even if I don't agree with everything you've said.

Above all, no matter what else, I thoroughly reject this "We've had enough of experts" stance that was peddled to us recently. If we follow that route, we're all doomed.

A good weekend to you, sir.
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