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The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin, is part of the Literary Classics Collection, which offers quality editions at affordable prices to the student and the general reader, including new scholarship, thoughtful design, and pages of carefully crafted extras. Here are some of the remarkable features of the Literary Classics Collection
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Ooh, I love a bit of science fiction!
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Err, where's the subtitle of the book gone?!
GibsonSt1931 m ago

Err, where's the subtitle of the book gone?!


You mean...
”Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.” ?
Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.
nosh1016 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


Have you not see the documentry "planet of the apes?" It's very informative .
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nosh101 h, 27 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


Useful when you’ve evolved to a point that you can push a button.
nosh101 h, 28 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


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Ooh, I love a bit of science fiction!
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this is not an easy read by any means, not long finished it myself and still wondering why i did.
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maddogb9 m ago

this is not an easy read by any means, not long finished it myself and …this is not an easy read by any means, not long finished it myself and still wondering why i did.



We stopped looking for monsters under our bed when we realised that they were inside us. CD
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steven5watson1 h, 29 m ago

Have you not see the documentry "planet of the apes?" It's very …Have you not see the documentry "planet of the apes?" It's very informative .



We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution. Bill Hicks
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GibsonSt192 h, 50 m ago

Err, where's the subtitle of the book gone?!


Just had a read and it contains a lot more, like others have said it is not an easy read but I think verges on a must read

- New introductions commissioned from today's top writers and scholars
- Biographies of the authors
- Chronologies of contemporary historical, biographical, and cultural events
- Footnotes and endnotes
- Selective discussions of imitations, parodies, poems, books, plays, paintings, operas, statuary, and films inspired by the work
- Comments by other famous authors
- Study questions to challenge the reader's viewpoints and expectations
- Bibliographies for further reading
- Indices & Glossaries, when appropriate
This thread is a mutant-magnet.
Thanks, OP. I can bulk-ignore a week's worth from just one deal-post.

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Voting cold because this book is free.

I've never read it, nor do I plan too. This would be like reading a cosmological book from 150 years ago. The premise might be correct but the information flawed and not current. Debunkers use this book because of it's flaws even though Evolution is a well known fact. It would be much better reading (dare I say it because I don't like his writings) something from Richard Dawkins for current thinking.
nosh104 h, 18 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


Sure why not. Less fanciful than Noah's ark or flying horses in any case
GlentoranMark57 m ago

Voting cold because this book is free. I've never read it, nor do I plan …Voting cold because this book is free. I've never read it, nor do I plan too. This would be like reading a cosmological book from 150 years ago. The premise might be correct but the information flawed and not current. Debunkers use this book because of it's flaws even though Evolution is a well known fact. It would be much better reading (dare I say it because I don't like his writings) something from Richard Dawkins for current thinking.



Fair enough on the deal being cold because it's available free, but it's well worth a read - fascinating to see how Darwin pieced things together. Voyage of the Beagle is also interesting, even if you're only reading it as a travelogue.
nosh105 h, 5 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


That's the dumbed down version so the man on the street can understand it, there's slightly more to it than that
GlentoranMark2 h, 31 m ago

Voting cold because this book is free. I've never read it, nor do I plan …Voting cold because this book is free. I've never read it, nor do I plan too. This would be like reading a cosmological book from 150 years ago. The premise might be correct but the information flawed and not current. Debunkers use this book because of it's flaws even though Evolution is a well known fact. It would be much better reading (dare I say it because I don't like his writings) something from Richard Dawkins for current thinking.



actually there is stuff relevant that is often neglected in other teachings and few flaws that can't be ignored in the light of the ignorance of genetics in those days.
One very pertinent thing about this book is it is soooooo detailed in its refute of all arguments against, the only reason a person daft enough to argue against it's teachings would be because they were unable to handle and remember the extreme detail he went into.
Of course if some with other ideas can come up with a single justification as to why some snakes have rudimentary hip bones........
nosh1018 h, 6 m ago

Yea right monkeys to men lol. Voting cold.


Are you joking? im rather curious and did 6 people like your comment cause they think your serious and they are agreeing? shocking.
Sawb6 m ago

Are you joking? im rather curious and did 6 people like your comment cause …Are you joking? im rather curious and did 6 people like your comment cause they think your serious and they are agreeing? shocking.



I was thinking the same. We live in crazy times though so who knows!
vulcanproject18 h, 43 m ago

Sure why not. Less fanciful than Noah's ark or flying horses in any case


If apes could become Shakespeare and fly into space, why not building an ark to escape from flood?
enginuk5 h, 43 m ago

If apes could become Shakespeare and fly into space, why not building an …If apes could become Shakespeare and fly into space, why not building an ark to escape from flood?


Are you serious? I'm guessing they didn't show you this article or the first part of this educational cartoon at Sunday school. I wonder why.
enginuk8 h, 0 m ago

If apes could become Shakespeare and fly into space, why not building an …If apes could become Shakespeare and fly into space, why not building an ark to escape from flood?


Because the gaps that intelligent design/creationist theorists see just do not exist. Placing God in gaps in scientific understanding is not a good strategy. The history of science shows that those gaps have a tendency to be filled.

No, must resist ad hominem.
Edited by: "LemonHead" 8th Apr
vulcanproject4 h, 13 m ago

Are you serious? I'm guessing they didn't show you this article or …Are you serious? I'm guessing they didn't show you this article or the first part of this educational cartoon at Sunday school. I wonder why.


No they didn't Sunday school is not science class, neither science classes religion.
LemonHead2 h, 44 m ago

Because the gaps that intelligent design/creationist theorists see just do …Because the gaps that intelligent design/creationist theorists see just do not exist. Placing God in gaps in scientific understanding is not a good strategy. The history of science shows that those gaps have a tendency to be filled.No, must resist ad hominem.


Well the 2 are not competing. R Dawkins said don't need to believe the fairies but enjoy the beauty of garden. But he ignored the works of a gardener.
if the world is not of intelligent design then what is the point of science?
The only reason we know what we know and don't yet know is because there are answers to be found and solved.
enginuk8th Apr

No they didn't Sunday school is not science class, neither science …No they didn't Sunday school is not science class, neither science classes religion.


Take more science then instead of mythological story classes.

You can't even build such a large ship made only of wood today let alone knocked up 4000 years ago by an old farmer.

Before you even get to the other million problems on the table.....
vulcanproject15 m ago

Take more science then instead of mythological story classes. You can't …Take more science then instead of mythological story classes. You can't even build such a large ship made only of wood today let alone knocked up 4000 years ago by an old farmer.Before you even get to the other million problems on the table.....


Hey don't take me wrong I love science and it helps me to understand the beauty and wonder of this universe.
If the universe can came about being with such precision against all odds and can brought forth life, florish and sustain life, then what is building an ark to house the family and wildlife?
I know there are many questions, and one day I am sure we will know more
enginuk56 m ago

Hey don't take me wrong I love science and it helps me to understand the …Hey don't take me wrong I love science and it helps me to understand the beauty and wonder of this universe. If the universe can came about being with such precision against all odds and can brought forth life, florish and sustain life, then what is building an ark to house the family and wildlife? I know there are many questions, and one day I am sure we will know more



The universe is a hostile environment to life where 99.999999999 percent of our known universe contains no life at all. In the end it might be the case the odds of life emerging on a suitable planet might be very tiny indeed, near zero. We can't be sure yet, only one thing- the odds are not absolutely zero. We're here.

With the knowledge being gained now that with the size of the universe and planets being found there are estimated to be billions and billions of them similar to earth. All potentially capable of supporting life.

If this is the case and the chances of life developing as it has on Earth are literally billions to one, then we are that one!

Someone wins the Euromillions don't they? The odds are 140 million to one, it's ridiculous. You or me will probably never win it, the odds are stacked heavily. But somebody DOES win. It does actually happen, even if it seems impossibly long odds to most people. Statistically it isn't. It wasn't God that helped them win the Euromillions and beat the odds.

Over billions of years with billions of chances for something to happen at massive odds of a billion to one, mathematically it's a certainty it will happen.

If it's only life on earth then just because the odds could be very long doesn't mean we have to invoke a made up deity to make 'beating' those odds believable.

The only thing unbelievable thing from this discussion is a simple old farmer defying the laws of physics and all common sense to undertake an impossible voyage. It's not merely unlikely it happened exactly as the Bible tells it, it's physically impossible!
vulcanproject1 h, 30 m ago

The universe is a hostile environment to life where 99.999999999 percent …The universe is a hostile environment to life where 99.999999999 percent of our known universe contains no life at all. In the end it might be the case the odds of life emerging on a suitable planet might be very tiny indeed, near zero. We can't be sure yet, only one thing- the odds are not absolutely zero. We're here.With the knowledge being gained now that with the size of the universe and planets being found there are estimated to be billions and billions of them similar to earth. All potentially capable of supporting life. If this is the case and the chances of life developing as it has on Earth are literally billions to one, then we are that one!Someone wins the Euromillions don't they? The odds are 140 million to one, it's ridiculous. You or me will probably never win it, the odds are stacked heavily. But somebody DOES win. It does actually happen, even if it seems impossibly long odds to most people. Statistically it isn't. It wasn't God that helped them win the Euromillions and beat the odds. Over billions of years with billions of chances for something to happen at massive odds of a billion to one, mathematically it's a certainty it will happen.If it's only life on earth then just because the odds could be very long doesn't mean we have to invoke a made up deity to make 'beating' those odds believable. The only thing unbelievable thing from this discussion is a simple old farmer defying the laws of physics and all common sense to undertake an impossible voyage. It's not merely unlikely it happened exactly as the Bible tells it, it's physically impossible!


The fact that most of the universe is a hostile env to life, yet against the odds, We are here! This is why to me it is more reasonable to believe this is intelligent design, a purpose why we are here. It is amazing you took the other side of the belief on the same reason.
Your analogy of Euromillions is a good one.
Someone set the rules, the system, prize, accept the bets, throw the first number, the next, and so on and so forth to get to the top winner.
You know where I am going with this. The whole universe is a massive evident that someone intentionally created time and space in the very beginning, set the maths/equations, matters, put all things together, gave it potential to bring forth this life, and sustain it to where we are today.

You are a top man/lady with such patient.
I am not trying to infuriate you, I gave you my honest response. I don't invoke a God, but it is already revealed to me from my understanding of this world, science and life.
enginuk17 m ago

The fact that most of the universe is a hostile env to life, yet against …The fact that most of the universe is a hostile env to life, yet against the odds, We are here! This is why to me it is more reasonable to believe this is intelligent design, a purpose why we are here. It is amazing you took the other side of the belief on the same reason.Your analogy of Euromillions is a good one. Someone set the rules, the system, prize, accept the bets, throw the first number, the next, and so on and so forth to get to the top winner. You know where I am going with this. The whole universe is a massive evident that someone intentionally created time and space in the very beginning, set the maths/equations, matters, put all things together, gave it potential to bring forth this life, and sustain it to where we are today.You are a top man/lady with such patient.I am not trying to infuriate you, I gave you my honest response. I don't invoke a God, but it is already revealed to me from my understanding of this world, science and life.


You're ok. You can believe in something directing it, I feel that it isn't necessary.

What more can I say about 'odds' and 'chances'. Those arguments with odds play into the hands of life coming about by chance not against it, the more we find out how old and large the universe is. All we know on earth almost has to exist. No intervention required. Billion to one chances in the universe we have observed isn't as unlikely as it first seems or the best argument I heard for a deity.

The bible is almost a separate topic, but I can't say anyone should be too keen on the deity outlined within it's pages if they examine exactly how it supposedly behaves.
enginuk4 h, 37 m ago

Well the 2 are not competing. R Dawkins said don't need to believe the …Well the 2 are not competing. R Dawkins said don't need to believe the fairies but enjoy the beauty of garden. But he ignored the works of a gardener.if the world is not of intelligent design then what is the point of science? The only reason we know what we know and don't yet know is because there are answers to be found and solved.


If the world is not of intelligent design then what is the point of science?

Science has no purpose. It can, however, be used to advance a purpose: Science is a methodology for increasing understanding.

Science aims to explain and understand. Science as a collective institution aims to produce more and more accurate natural explanations of how the natural world works, what its components are, and how the world got to be the way it is now.

The knowledge that is built by science is always open to question and revision. Unlike intelligent design/creationism. Most intelligent design/creationist theorists on the other hand know what's true because it's in the holy book.

As science has developed, the idea of God who works wonders, who acts in the gaps of scientific understanding has been called into question.

Belief on the other hand gives something that science doesn't claim to offer - meaning and purpose - as you appear to have clearly tried to point out.
Edited by: "LemonHead" 8th Apr
The framework for science to work is that this universe is a intelligible design to start with. It is not an absolute random physical being. There are system, order, and can be measured/ calculated by maths, equations, formulas. Hence, we find comfort in things that we don't yet know, and believe that science will help us to know more in the future.

Now, I don't believe God of the gaps as it is a made up God. But I believe there is a creator (non-physical being) who created the time and space, set the rules, equations, formulas, matters, gave potential to matters to brought forth the solar system, Earth, and then lives to where we are today.
This is my honest opinion from my view of this world and understanding of science and life.
Like you said, science can increase understanding, explain the HOWs, and components, but not outside of the perimeters of physical, and we need to acknowledge the limitations.
This is a bit like a child in the early years may think that his parents have magic power to turn fresh ingredients into his favorite dish. After knowing the science behind the act of cooking, the function of fire and heat, and impacts to the ingredients etc, would he give a conclusion that his favorite dish is just a pile of ingredients get prepared and mixed at the right heat at the right time?
I feel this is real life that we learned from day 1 on earth. Someone intentionally prepared all the components against the odds to determine to create this world.
I know i appeared very backward to you, but it is not my intention to irritate you.
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