Toyo Snowprox S953  205/55 R16 91H Winter Tyre Fully Fitted + 3 x Tesco Clubcard Points + a chance of winning Driving Experience for two at Silverstone  £61.30 blackcircles
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Toyo Snowprox S953 205/55 R16 91H Winter Tyre Fully Fitted + 3 x Tesco Clubcard Points + a chance of winning Driving Experience for two at Silverstone £61.30 blackcircles

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Found 25th Oct 2015
Looks like a great offer for winter tyres in very popular size
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I'd rather use these, each to their own.
hotukdeals.com/dea…570

Any winter tyre is gonna be better than a summer tyre in cold weather.
Cue the "I've driven a RWD BMW in the snow for 50 years and never got stuck".

They always fail to mention they spend all winter crawling and change their pants after every journey.
I've used Toyos a couple of times in the past, admittedly Proxys and they were too soft. If these are similar I'd give them 12k miles at best.
I have a set of Nokians sitting ready to be fitted once spare wheels are returned from refurbisher. No idea how well they will wear b
Vredstein on my old car and Kumhos on my wife's old car are all in their 4th winter.
Edited by: "Oneday77" 25th Oct 2015
Noooooooo!
Not a winter Tyres deal.This is going to get angry and messy.
Just get some Michelin Cross Climate, perfect for the UK and you can run them all year
V1NNYC

Just get some Michelin Cross Climate, perfect for the UK and you can run … Just get some Michelin Cross Climate, perfect for the UK and you can run them all year


I would if they made them in my size!
mrcoyote

I would if they made them in my size!



Try the next best: Don't know if the Nokian Weatherproof are out yet. Previous best were the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons but not available in certain sizes. You might get Vredestein Quatracs or Bridgestone A001 in the size you need.
m5rcc

Try the next best: Don't know if the Nokian Weatherproof are out yet. … Try the next best: Don't know if the Nokian Weatherproof are out yet. Previous best were the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons but not available in certain sizes. You might get Vredestein Quatracs or Bridgestone A001 in the size you need.


Seems like the only ones listed in 225/40 R18 Y are the Vredestein's, but I can't find them for sale anywhere. I've got a set of 205/55 R16 mounted on a set of steels, but it's a pain swapping them over each year.
mrcoyote

Seems like the only ones listed in 225/40 R18 Y are the Vredestein's, but … Seems like the only ones listed in 225/40 R18 Y are the Vredestein's, but I can't find them for sale anywhere



Do you need a set of Ys? I doubt you will surpass 170mph...
V1NNYC

Just get some Michelin Cross Climate, perfect for the UK and you can run … Just get some Michelin Cross Climate, perfect for the UK and you can run them all year


What are they like? I have been looking at these for a while.
oddballjamie

Cue the "I've driven a RWD BMW in the snow for 50 years and never got … Cue the "I've driven a RWD BMW in the snow for 50 years and never got stuck".They always fail to mention they spend all winter crawling and change their pants after every journey.



I managed to make a FWD Citroen BX do a 180 around a roundabout in the snow. The summer tyres I have on my Golf VI are some of the worst tyres ever created, Pirelli Cinturato P7 if you like wheelspinning at junctions buy P7 tyres, in the snow I'd likely skid indefinitely. Pirelli Cinturato P7 haha we laugh in the face of friction! Honestly the shI^test tyres I've ever had the misery to put on a car. I'm sure Rosberg had a set on his car today.

I'll check out the Nokian's mentioned earlier, no way I'm driving my car in the winter with the tyres I have now.

Edited by: "fishmaster" 25th Oct 2015
Watch out for the speed ratings on Toyos. Generally lower than other brands, hence the cheaper price.
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r_wilcockson

Watch out for the speed ratings on Toyos. Generally lower than other … Watch out for the speed ratings on Toyos. Generally lower than other brands, hence the cheaper price.


What you talking about ?
These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not great for motorway use. Most other brands have a speed rating of V or W which will cover you for most speeds.
r_wilcockson

These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not … These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not great for motorway use. Most other brands have a speed rating of V or W which will cover you for most speeds.



Isn't H 130mph? Seems excessive around town, I like to keep it under 90.
r_wilcockson

These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not … These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not great for motorway use. Most other brands have a speed rating of V or W which will cover you for most speeds.


Last I checked 130mph in the UK was way faster than anyone needs. Especially in winter conditions. H is more indicative of the softer tyre construction to cope with lower temperatures.
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r_wilcockson

These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not … These only have a speed rating of H. OK for going around town, but not great for motorway use. Most other brands have a speed rating of V or W which will cover you for most speeds.


Winter tyres have usually one speed rating lower than summer tyres at same car - that's the rule.
Is H index (130mph) not enough for you at winter times ?!
Haha, wasn't able to check what the speed figures equated to. I know when I purchased my winter Hankooks most were around a v/w and I got advised to stick to this for any vehicle over 300bhp.
oddballjamie

Cue the "I've driven a RWD BMW in the snow for 50 years and never got … Cue the "I've driven a RWD BMW in the snow for 50 years and never got stuck".They always fail to mention they spend all winter crawling and change their pants after every journey.



As long as the roads are kept clear, we'll be fine

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Edited by: "Maevoric" 25th Oct 2015
i live in scotland which is a lot colder than where most of you southerners are and i've never seen the need for winter tyres.

just buy decent tyres.

currently rocking goodyear eagle f1's the new version.

surprised people on this site are willing to waste cash on 2 sets of alloys/tyres when it's completely unnecessary just buy decent all year round tyres.
pavel76

Winter tyres have usually one speed rating lower than summer tyres at … Winter tyres have usually one speed rating lower than summer tyres at same car - that's the rule.Is H index (130mph) not enough for you at winter times ?!



Best checking with the insurance too.
When I first made the switch to winters three years ago, the insurance was fine as long as the speed rating was the same or greater.
PsychoSonny

i live in scotland which is a lot colder than where most of you … i live in scotland which is a lot colder than where most of you southerners are and i've never seen the need for winter tyres.just buy decent tyres.currently rocking goodyear eagle f1's the new version.surprised people on this site are willing to waste cash on 2 sets of alloys/tyres when it's completely unnecessary just buy decent all year round tyres.


I don't consider running a second set of wheels with winter tyres for half the year to be a waste of money. Particularly since I'm driving a car that's likely to have better roadholding, better braking performance and saves my summer tyres wear.
Last time I checked, the goodyear eagle f1 was a summer tyre, winter tyres are recommended when the average temperature is below 7C, that's more than 6 months in much of Scotland.
I just use winter tyres all year in Scotland
oddballjamie

Best checking with the insurance too.When I first made the switch to … Best checking with the insurance too.When I first made the switch to winters three years ago, the insurance was fine as long as the speed rating was the same or greater.



Last time I checked with my insurance around four years ago, I was told it was considered a "modification" to the car oO
Edited by: "phiras" 25th Oct 2015
I needed two new Vredestein winters today but went for a set of four of these instead, old build hence the price but they'll be great for playing out on the Pennines with the roof down tyreleader.co.uk/car…969

During the last few years I've spent time during the winter months in Sweden above the Arctic Circle and in the Tyrol Germany/Austria driving on everything from fully spiked tyres through Central Euro winter tyres and on the comedy All Seasons, having two sets of tyres makes perfect sense. If you would foolishly argue 'but this is England I've done it on one pair for years' I look forward to watching you wear your flip flops all year around.


Edited by: "mjr600" 25th Oct 2015
Oneday77

I've used Toyos a couple of times in the past, admittedly Proxys and they … I've used Toyos a couple of times in the past, admittedly Proxys and they were too soft. If these are similar I'd give them 12k miles at best. I have a set of Nokians sitting ready to be fitted once spare wheels are returned from refurbisher. No idea how well they will wear bVredstein on my old car and Kumhos on my wife's old car are all in their 4th winter.



Why get Proxys if you don't want them soft? You choice was bad for what you wanted
phiras

Last time I checked with my insurance around four years ago, I was told … Last time I checked with my insurance around four years ago, I was told it was considered a "modification" to the car oO



https://www.abi.org.uk/Insurance-and-savings/Products/Motor-insurance/~/media/4621107A11034C2E98AD503657A699FB.ashx

damadgeruk

winter tyres are recommended when the average temperature is below 7C



i bet they are. how else would they market or sell them in this country.

i've only had an issue once in my life when there was about 3 feet of snow fell between 10pm and 3am. that year the only thing making it around without issue was 4x4's like bmw x5.

even then it was only for 1 day before they had the roads clear again.

i think i'll just stick to decent normal tyres. i don't see the point in wasting £1K on a set of alloys and then another £400 on tyres every few years on the off chance of another bad day happening within my lifetime.
PsychoSonny

i bet they are. how else would they market or sell them in this … i bet they are. how else would they market or sell them in this country.i've only had an issue once in my life when there was about 3 feet of snow fell between 10pm and 3am. that year the only thing making it around without issue was 4x4's like bmw x5.even then it was only for 1 day before they had the roads clear again.i think i'll just stick to decent normal tyres. i don't see the point in wasting £1K on a set of alloys and then another £400 on tyres every few years on the off chance of another bad day happening within my lifetime.


While I'm tempted to say each to their own, the fact you may be behind me sometime during the six months winter tyres are likely to stop you sooner means I'd prefer you to look at the facts.
Some interesting info here youtu.be/mfu…hLA and here youtu.be/elP…dWI regarding braking distances etc of summer vs winter.
My spare wheels cost under £100, my winter tyres cost no more than running summer tyres all year.
Winter tyres are fantastic! You can't argue about the benefits over other tyres during cold temperatures and snow / ice performance.
However.. You'll maybe need them once or twice a year so I can't recommend them to anyone in most of the UK
Just get part-worns... usually around £10-12 fitted... n my local dealer/scrapyard let's me choose which tyre I want... usually go for Pirelli/Bridgestone or Michellins... Check the tread visually or with a checker (if you're that paranoid) and you're good to go... My local (part-worn) tyre place is located in Aldershot, but I know of another fantastic place in Woking as well (if anyone wants the address
Edited by: "no_Sunshine" 26th Oct 2015
The Michelin CrossClimate is a revolutionary new type of tyre that answers two regular questions: “Should I switch from summer tyres to winter tyres in November?” And: “Are ‘all season’ tyres a reliable alternative to one set for winter and one set for summer?"

Until now, the answer had been yes to both. ‘Winter’, or, correctly ‘Cold Weather’ tyres are infinitely safer than summer tyres not just in snow but whenever the temperature drops below 8 degrees centigrade. They not only get you through snow, they stop the car much more quickly on snow and ice, and also stop it more quickly in cold, wet conditions.

But changing tyres every October and March isn’t anyone’s idea of a pleasant way to spend an hour or so. Nor is having to store the spare set of tyres when they’re not in use. Nor is having an extra set of wheels and tyres for a car you might sell and which may not fit your next car.

Hence the proliferation of ‘all season’ tyres such as Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons, Vredestein Quatrac, Bridgestone A001 and Pirelli’s new P3000 Cinturato M+S.

These have been a great compromise that perform well in snow, yet can be left on the car all year round, so you only need one set of wheels and tyres.

However, ‘all season’ tyres are still basically cold weather 'winter' tyres that have been modified in terms of compound and construction to improve their performance in summer conditions.

They don’t stop the car as well in the dry as a dedicated summer tyre and the fact is that 70% of car crashes in Europe occur on dry roads.

So Michelin has been working on a tyre that not only performs almost as well as the best cold weather tyres in winter, but also works as well as the best low rolling resistance summer tyres in the summer.

honestjohn.co.uk/new…es/

Michelin Cross Climate - 205/55 R16 94V XL TL £58.35 + del HERE

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/media/8738258/michelin-crossclimate-sipes_499x665.jpg




Edited by: "pablomalin" 26th Oct 2015
Meant to be a very cold winter this year due to el nino. Last time we had a bad winter I couldn't drive 5 minutes without seeing a bmw in a ditch / crash. If you have a decent 4wd saloon or otherwise you don't need winter tyres. I will be perfectly fine with normal tyres all be it I need a new set of fronts.
Azurren

Winter tyres are fantastic! You can't argue about the benefits over other … Winter tyres are fantastic! You can't argue about the benefits over other tyres during cold temperatures and snow / ice performance.However.. You'll maybe need them once or twice a year so I can't recommend them to anyone in most of the UK


How often have you needed your seat belt? I've yet to 'need' my seat belt, I run winter tyres for the same reason I wear it.
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pablomalin

The Michelin CrossClimate is a revolutionary new type of tyre that … The Michelin CrossClimate is a revolutionary new type of tyre that answers two regular questions: “Should I switch from summer tyres to winter tyres in November?” And: “Are ‘all season’ tyres a reliable alternative to one set for winter and one set for summer?"Until now, the answer had been yes to both. ‘Winter’, or, correctly ‘Cold Weather’ tyres are infinitely safer than summer tyres not just in snow but whenever the temperature drops below 8 degrees centigrade. They not only get you through snow, they stop the car much more quickly on snow and ice, and also stop it more quickly in cold, wet conditions.But changing tyres every October and March isn’t anyone’s idea of a pleasant way to spend an hour or so. Nor is having to store the spare set of tyres when they’re not in use. Nor is having an extra set of wheels and tyres for a car you might sell and which may not fit your next car.Hence the proliferation of ‘all season’ tyres such as Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons, Vredestein Quatrac, Bridgestone A001 and Pirelli’s new P3000 Cinturato M+S.These have been a great compromise that perform well in snow, yet can be left on the car all year round, so you only need one set of wheels and tyres.However, ‘all season’ tyres are still basically cold weather 'winter' tyres that have been modified in terms of compound and construction to improve their performance in summer conditions.They don’t stop the car as well in the dry as a dedicated summer tyre and the fact is that 70% of car crashes in Europe occur on dry roads.So Michelin has been working on a tyre that not only performs almost as well as the best cold weather tyres in winter, but also works as well as the best low rolling resistance summer tyres in the summer.http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2015-02/michelin-crossclimate-tyres/Michelin Cross Climate - 205/55 R16 94V XL TL £58.35 + del HERE


The only question is how long thet will last...?
I had all-season Falkens(excellent reviews) on my previous car but wear was pretty awful... Quick wear is the main concern about all-season tyres and should be taken into account
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damadgeruk

How often have you needed your seat belt? I've yet to 'need' my seat … How often have you needed your seat belt? I've yet to 'need' my seat belt, I run winter tyres for the same reason I wear it.


Spot on !
PS. The worst thing people do(mostly in UK) is fitting winter tyres only on front wheels - lethal idea. The have probably no idea what might happen at roundabouts and corners
pavel76

The only question is how long thet will last...?I had all-season … The only question is how long thet will last...?I had all-season Falkens(excellent reviews) on my previous car but wear was pretty awful... Quick wear is the main concern about all-season tyres and should be taken into account



I put Uniroyal M&S 77 Winters on my daughters Mini a year ago and because they performed so well even when the temp increased left them on all year over the factory Michelins. The harsh ride improved and there was no obvious difference in stopping/handling, they have clocked 22000 miles in the last year (long daily commute) and I have just rotated them front to back. There was barely any wear on the rears and the fronts have lost about 2.5-3mm, I'm really impressed with their wear rate albeit all motorway driving.
pavel76

The only question is how long thet will last...?I had all-season … The only question is how long thet will last...?I had all-season Falkens(excellent reviews) on my previous car but wear was pretty awful... Quick wear is the main concern about all-season tyres and should be taken into account



Probably ages, since they're Michelin. I've had their tyres age and crack before I've managed to wear them out in the past.
Folks need to get educated regarding winter tyres ,particularly rear wheel driv,braking distance,handling in cold and wet,I just put Nokian wrd4 tyres on my car and very happy knowing I've got the best traction ,stopping through winter,research difference with winter / summer tyres
Happily putting my Michelin Agilis Alpin on my vans today. Better traction, shorter stopping. Safer driving. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQYcx1ZWwAA39o5.jpg
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