TP-LINK TD-W9970 N300 Wireless Fibre VDSL2/ADSL Modem Router £33.33 @ Amazon
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TP-LINK TD-W9970 N300 Wireless Fibre VDSL2/ADSL Modem Router £33.33 @ Amazon

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Found 6th Feb 2016
TP-LINK TD-W9970 N300 Wireless BT Infinity / Fibre VDSL2 and ADSL Modem Router (Interchangeable LAN/WAN Port - Compatible with Fibre/Cable service, One USB Port for Storage Sharing, Media/Print Server)

It's an all in one VDSL2/ADSL modem router with 2.4GHz wireless and USB port, it's pretty basic but super cheap for an all in one solution. Maybe a cheap thing to have as a spare fibre modem.

Register for a 3 year warranty (exluding the powersupply)
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Cheapest price I've ever seen for an all in one VDSL/ADSL wireless modem router (ok it was 20p cheaper for a brief period last month)

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Edited by: "spannerzone" 6th Feb 2016
Hot, the only thing it (basically) doesn't have is gigabit local ports, and it is a good idea to register for a three year warranty, I like tp-link routers but my last one gave up the ghost just shy of three years!
HEAT!

Cracking all in one and well worth more than £34 quid, well it must be, because everyone
has been buying it for more!!

Info:

Correct [125 pages!] user manual for the model in this deal
http://www29.zippyshare.com/v/JyDTwxYZ/file.html

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£33.72 at dabs too
Anyone have a moment to explain if I can use this with basic bt broadband and is it easy to switch for the bt hub 4.0? Previously had a sky router and never had any problems since switching to bt the signal drops constantly and I can't use my powerline for my smart tv
I have BT infinity 2 with BT vision IPTV. Does this work in place of HH5?

Alsono gigabit a shame.
Edited by: "GigahurtzUK" 6th Feb 2016
bloodshoteyes

Anyone have a moment to explain if I can use this with basic bt broadband … Anyone have a moment to explain if I can use this with basic bt broadband and is it easy to switch for the bt hub 4.0? Previously had a sky router and never had any problems since switching to bt the signal drops constantly and I can't use my powerline for my smart tv


Yes this replaces the seperate fibre modem and homehub so it's all in one unit. This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and 100mbps lan connections but it's probably ok for every day use.
GigahurtzUK

I have BT infinity 2 with BT vision IPTV. Does this work in place of … I have BT infinity 2 with BT vision IPTV. Does this work in place of HH5?Alsono gigabit a shame.


Yes this could replace the HH5 although this is a lower spec unit with regards to it not having AC wifi or gigibit lan connection.
Why do you want it to have gigabit ports? unless you're doing a lot of file transfers or sharing multiple HD streams over your network you won't need it.. and if you do need it then just get a cheap gigabit switch and add it into your home network, so in other words would then be letting the modem/router just do the modem part. Cheap 5 port gigabit switch for around £15 usually or a little more for an 8 port. I know it'd be nice for it to have gigabit ports too, but then they pass the cost onto you anyway, and sometimes having separates just works better IMO.
every single tplink router has the exact same web gui with a useless firewall that matches on the first rule only, so you can't setup a rule to block all outbound traffic except tcp/80 on 192.168.1.3 for example, you either block everything or noting, its really retarded.
paddy.stone

Why do you want it to have gigabit ports? unless you're doing a lot of … Why do you want it to have gigabit ports? unless you're doing a lot of file transfers or sharing multiple HD streams over your network you won't need it.. and if you do need it then just get a cheap gigabit switch and add it into your home network, so in other words would then be letting the modem/router just do the modem part. Cheap 5 port gigabit switch for around £15 usually or a little more for an 8 port. I know it'd be nice for it to have gigabit ports too, but then they pass the cost onto you anyway, and sometimes having separates just works better IMO.


If you only have a couple of computers and want to keep things neat and tidy then having it all in one is maybe what some people would prefer, whether the average user needs gigabit, I suspect not, do I want it? yes, just because.
spannerzone

Yes this replaces the seperate fibre modem and homehub so it's all in … Yes this replaces the seperate fibre modem and homehub so it's all in one unit. This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and 100mbps lan connections but it's probably ok for every day use.



​thank you
I had the non VDSL fibre version of this and after 2 years it went a bit tempermental and TP Link sent me a brand new replacement in a sealed box (I did have to return mine at my own cost of about £3.80) - very pleased with their service.
Used to have one of these, picked it up in an emergency when my modem router died, it's kind of meh, even for the £28 I paid. Got several disconnects a month that required a hard reset, had similar experience with other TP-Liink products. Not sure if I've just been unlucky but I wouldn't buy TPLink again to be honest.
Edited by: "spaceinvader" 7th Feb 2016
spaceinvader

Used to have one of these, picked it up in an emergency when my my modem … Used to have one of these, picked it up in an emergency when my my modem router died, it's kind of meh, even for the £28 I paid. Got several disconnects a month that required a hard reset, had similar experience with other TP-Liink products. Not sure if I've just been unlucky but I wouldn't buy TPLink again to be honest.


Reading reviews of many TP Link products it seems that the majority of users are happy but some have problems...so bit of a possible gamble.

I've had 2 TP Link modem routers, the W9968 ADSL which was very stable for 3 years (although it did pack up at 2.5 years and got replaced) and now I've got the W9980 vdsl which is also rock solid with connection and wifi.

Edited by: "spannerzone" 7th Feb 2016
Would this produce a stronger wifi signal than say a bt home hub 4? Im struggling to get a good signal, i have a small house but thick walls.
terry82517

Would this produce a stronger wifi signal than say a bt home hub 4? Im … Would this produce a stronger wifi signal than say a bt home hub 4? Im struggling to get a good signal, i have a small house but thick walls.


I wouldn't expect a massive difference between the two to be honest. Have you used a wifi app to see if your neighbours are all using the same wifi channel? you might be able to improve things by moving your wifi channel away from theirs.

All my neighbours have home hubs with their supposedly intelligent auto channel selection, except they all seem to choose the same channel and if I move mine they seem to follow!


Edited by: "spannerzone" 7th Feb 2016
spannerzone

[quote=bloodshoteyes]This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and … [quote=bloodshoteyes]This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and 100mbps lan connections but it's probably ok for every day use.



What's so great about 5Ghz? The signal is flaky as hell compared to 2.4Ghz and only 2 of my devices support it. I've got the N600 for £43 when Amazon did that £10 off thing. Got the gigabyte ports though.
spannerzone

This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and 100mbps lan … This model only offers basic 2.4GHz 'n300' wifi and 100mbps lan connections but it's probably ok for every day use.


howdiefellas

What's so great about 5Ghz? The signal is flaky as hell compared to … What's so great about 5Ghz? The signal is flaky as hell compared to 2.4Ghz and only 2 of my devices support it. I've got the N600 for £43 when Amazon did that £10 off thing. Got the gigabyte ports though.


OK so 5GHz does have shorter range compared to 2.4GHz so in that respect it's not better but as so few people use 5GHz the channels are almost always unused so your wifi connection is not competing with your neighbours. Yes, many devices do not support it either (that's why it's so underused which in my mind is a benefit). Wifi uses radio waves and 2.4GH is highly congested, so your wifi connection (radio signal) is being bombarded with other wifi signals nearby, the wireless devices then have to work out which data is for what device, all the devices try and play nicely together but ultimately this mish-mash of data takes time to unravel and thus your speeds / connections can be poor. Think of it as 5 people shouting across a room to another 5 people, now replace the people with wifi devices and you get the idea.

If your kit works with 5GHz and the coverage works then it makes sense to use it unless your location does not suffer from other wifi users. In my village I can see about 9 other wifi access points, all trying to use the same wifi channels (of which with 2.4GHz there are only 3 that have true spacing between them) so my wifi is constantly in competition with all those others. That's why 5GHz can be beneficial.

This image shows it quite nicely:

http://www.flashrouters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/wifianalyzer-24ghz-vs-5ghz.png


Edited by: "spannerzone" 7th Feb 2016
I have a BT Business Hub 5 at home... that keeps dropping the Wifi signal. To be honest I rarely use the 5Ghz band... but I have a lot of people connecting to it all the time (10+)... do you think this one is better?

(The alternative would be getting the TD-W9980 N600)
Edited by: "digifreak" 7th Feb 2016
digifreak

I have a BT Business Hub 5 at home... that keeps dropping the Wifi … I have a BT Business Hub 5 at home... that keeps dropping the Wifi signal. To be honest I rarely use the 5Ghz band... but I have a lot of people connecting to it all the time (10+)... do you think this one is better?(The alternative would be getting the TD-W9980 N600)


I don't think this one is better in that it is of a lesser specification with wifi.....it's probably better than what many ISP's give away for free but the HH5 is a fairly decent product BUT I do understand that some HH5 users suffer with performance on it.

10 users will potentially cause issues on any home domestic modem router, (not sure if the Home Hub 5 business is really any different) I seem to recall reading a review on the W9980 on Amazon where someone complained they couldn't use 10 wifi users at once without issues. I think you might want to consider connecting a more business like wifi access point to your HH5.

I've got the W9980 (bigger brother to this 9970) and I find its wifi performance about the same as most of my previous modem routers, including the W9968 which is of identical looking design to this W9970, ie it's fairly standard and not got outstanding wifi peformance. The issue/annoyance I have with the W9980 is that the 2.4GHz wifi antennas are inside it and the 3 external antennas are 5GHz only. Personally if I was upgrading the HH5 I'd consider trying to split users across 2.4GHz and 5GHz band and see if that helps or look at adding another wireless access point. If I really was to replace the whole unit I'd look at maybe the TP Link AC1900 or maybe the Billions BiPAC 8800AXL



Edited by: "spannerzone" 7th Feb 2016
Well... I got the Business Hub 5 because I thought it would be more reliable than the HH5... But I guess that both are pretty much the same thing with just a different name.
digifreak

Well... I got the Business Hub 5 because I thought it would be more … Well... I got the Business Hub 5 because I thought it would be more reliable than the HH5... But I guess that both are pretty much the same thing with just a different name.


I don't honestly know how they compare.

Have you checked wifi channels in use by neighbours? maybe your hub is clashing with neighbours - all my neighbours HomeHubs seem to constantly move and use my wifi channel (auto channel select my foot!)
Hmm looks the the only difference between HomeH5 and business H5 is static IP's can be applied on the business version!
business.forums.bt.com/t5/…873
Got the TP-LINK Archer VR200 AC750 model recently for VSDL Fibre, it has been very stable so far, the wireless connection is much more reliable than the rubbish BT HomeHub 3a + Openreach Huawei VSDL.

The VR200 is similar to the VR900 at almost half the price, the VR900 has faster AC1900 wireless speeds, if you really require such high throughput then wired ethernet is always the way to go...
The best thing about swapping this for a BT Home hub 5 is it stops the hub 5 sending out the open network BT_Openzone.
Whilst I may be being mean here.. but I was not impressed when I was told by my neighbour that I was sharing some of my wifi bandwith with him when he was throttling his own broadband, and sharing with anyone else who could log on to my open network BT Wifi that was happily transmitting from my abode...

A quick call to BT said I could opt out, but would take 30 days!!!... Call me selfish, but its my wifi, not my neighbours!!

Tp-Link TD-W9980 sorted this!!, thanks TP - LINK!!!
brown770

The best thing about swapping this for a BT Home hub 5 is it stops the … The best thing about swapping this for a BT Home hub 5 is it stops the hub 5 sending out the open network BT_Openzone.Whilst I may be being mean here.. but I was not impressed when I was told by my neighbour that I was sharing some of my wifi bandwith with him when he was throttling his own broadband, and sharing with anyone else who could log on to my open network BT Wifi that was happily transmitting from my abode...A quick call to BT said I could opt out, but would take 30 days!!!... Call me selfish, but its my wifi, not my neighbours!!Tp-Link TD-W9980 sorted this!!, thanks TP - LINK!!!


Yes that's how BT have so many million BT hot spots, buy using a tiny bit of yours and allowing others to use it, noting that it's a seperate wifi network they'd connect to and cannot access your PC or local network....but they can only use a small percecentage of your download capability and if you're using lots then I believe it reduces further to not hamper your connection.

By opting in (which I think is automatic!) you are also allowed to use BT Openzone wifi for free all over the UK so that's the benefit...... now, if you don't opt out and don't use the BT Homehub to provide access on your connection I wonder if you can still use your free connection capability?

Edited by: "spannerzone" 7th Feb 2016
TP-Link routers are not that great at all. I am with UW and they provide us with a TP-Link router and it's just really bad
spannerzone

Yes that's how BT have so many million BT hot spots, buy using a tiny bit … Yes that's how BT have so many million BT hot spots, buy using a tiny bit of yours and allowing others to use it, noting that it's a seperate wifi network they'd connect to and cannot access your PC or local network....but they can only use a small percecentage of your download capability and if you're using lots then I believe it reduces further to not hamper your connection. By opting in (which I think is automatic!) you are also allowed to use BT Openzone wifi for free all over the UK so that's the benefit...... now, if you don't opt out and don't use the BT Homehub to provide access on your connection I wonder if you can still use your free connection capability?



I don't think you can.
If you are a business user, you can use the hotspots without sharing your router bandwidth
Would I still need to have my virgin super hub plugged in with this all could I have this running on its own and chuck the superhub? Thanks in advance
spannerzone

[quote=brown770]now, if you don't opt out and don't use the BT Homehub to … [quote=brown770]now, if you don't opt out and don't use the BT Homehub to provide access on your connection I wonder if you can still use your free connection capability?


I can confirm that using another router doesn't affect your ability to use free wifi capability. I'm using a Billion router at the moment.
spannerzone

Yes that's how BT have so many million BT hot spots, buy using a tiny bit … Yes that's how BT have so many million BT hot spots, buy using a tiny bit of yours and allowing others to use it, noting that it's a seperate wifi network they'd connect to and cannot access your PC or local network....but they can only use a small percecentage of your download capability and if you're using lots then I believe it reduces further to not hamper your connection. By opting in (which I think is automatic!) you are also allowed to use BT Openzone wifi for free all over the UK so that's the benefit...... now, if you don't opt out and don't use the BT Homehub to provide access on your connection I wonder if you can still use your free connection capability?


I can still log on to BT Openzone on other locations, and changed to a TP link months ago... I did not take their offer of giving 30 days notice to opt out, I just unplugged my BT Homehub 5 , plugged in my TP Link, and flogged the Home hub 5 on Fleabay!!!
I'm having a very annoying issue whereby my Home Hub 3 will intermittently lose its gateway connectivity only on wireless.
I've tried all 3 channels 1, 6 and 11 but with no joy.
I'm struggling to believe its interference and thinking of purchasing a third party router to test. Any recommendations guys?
ceaton88

I'm having a very annoying issue whereby my Home Hub 3 will … I'm having a very annoying issue whereby my Home Hub 3 will intermittently lose its gateway connectivity only on wireless.I've tried all 3 channels 1, 6 and 11 but with no joy.I'm struggling to believe its interference and thinking of purchasing a third party router to test. Any recommendations guys?


Have you used a wifi analyzer program to see what neighbour's wifi is using? something like Wifi analyzer for android.
No I haven't but like I say I've tried each channel for an extended period of time and no change.
Plus the issue happens sometimes at 3am in the morning and I'm almost certain the neighbours wouldn't be up.
Funnily enough my workplace sell the exact router on this deal so I managed to pick one up for £25 and just about to go home to connect it up.
I'm looking forward to getting rid of the BT openreach modem and having this all in one VDSL solution - just hope it authenticates alright and I don't have to jump hoops to get online.
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