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Cheapest I have seen. Word of warning, this packaging does not state confirms to the FIAT, GM or PORSCHE standard which the same bottle at a higher price on the carparts4less website does still show as being the applicable oil. Maybe its a misprint and that is why its cheaper ??? Same part number as main site.

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Its fully synth.... what else could you add to it to make it better?... maybe 5w40... not 5w30?.... which most stuff is now...
stealth66605/01/2020 01:29

Its fully synth.... what else could you add to it to make it better?... …Its fully synth.... what else could you add to it to make it better?... maybe 5w40... not 5w30?.... which most stuff is now...


If an oil fully complies with ACEA A3/B4, there's often very little difference between a 5W30 & a 5W40. It's just the way the so-called High Temperature High Shear limit impacts on the two formulations.

Also, it you're looking for 'better', think about 5W20 (or 0W20). If you need convincing, just switch on the news and watch what's happening in Oz.
Does this meet the standards for VW? Last time I got oil it was 5w30 and it seems to struggle with starting in the cold.
Danze198405/01/2020 08:17

Does this meet the standards for VW? Last time I got oil it was 5w30 and …Does this meet the standards for VW? Last time I got oil it was 5w30 and it seems to struggle with starting in the cold.


You need too look for VW 504.00 if its petrol or 507.00 if its diesel
Danze198405/01/2020 08:17

Does this meet the standards for VW? Last time I got oil it was 5w30 and …Does this meet the standards for VW? Last time I got oil it was 5w30 and it seems to struggle with starting in the cold.


If its diesel and a PD engine look for the oil that says PD
I'm from an age when you had a choice of "Mineral, semi-synthetic or fully synthetic" and you just put your choice in whatever car you had.
I can see from the recent oil deals that things have moved on somewhat and you now need to get oils that are compatible with a particular make of car. As a genuine interest to learn can someone tell me what the difference is and why an oil for, say, a Ford wouldn't work in, say, a Citroen?

Thanks
Edited by: "Burgmeister" 5th Jan
It's not whether it's compatible, it's whether it's certified (to meet the particular standards each manufacturer set as being required by their engines).
Burgmeister05/01/2020 09:18

I'm from an age when you had a choice of "Mineral, semi-synthetic or fully …I'm from an age when you had a choice of "Mineral, semi-synthetic or fully synthetic" and you just put your choice in whatever car you had.I can see from the recent oil deals that things have moved on somewhat and you now need to get oils that are compatible with a particular make of car. As a genuine interest to learn can someone tell me what the difference is and why an oil for, say, a Ford wouldn't work in, say, a Citroen?Thanks


Speaking generally, any engine oil will 'work' in any engine. The lowliest fully mineral API SG 20W50 will 'work' in the latest Ferrari engine (albeit, not for long).

Compared to when I started driving in the 1970's, there are no truly 'bad' oils on the market in the UK; there are only varying degrees of 'better'. Remember however that 'better' just means it lasts longer. At the start of any OCI, for any given viscosity grade, the cheapest mineral oil performs much the same as the most expensive, full PAO/Ester based synthetic.

A Ford approved oil will work in a Citroen & a PSA approved oil will work in a Ford. The whole 'OEM certified' thing is about the manufacturers trying to 'capture' a slice of the aftermarket dollar pie for themselves. This is most obviously true for GM who charge oil companies significant amounts of dosh to put the 'dexos' GM brand approval on the side of their cans. Where applicable, use approved oils during the warranty but after that, consider using something a bit more cost-effective.
Thanks Joe, very informative. I did wonder whether it was more of a money making thing than a technical thing but I am always keen to learn!

Given that we have 4 vehicles in our family and the newest one is now 14 years old I guess it isn't something I need to worry too much about until we update at least one of them! As we are trying to get my wife's car replaced with something much newer then I will bare it in mind when we make the change
Hi, thought I would share my personal experience with this oil. Used it for our 13 years old fault free Yaris 1.4 diesel. I didn't think there will be much of a difference. I usually do my own oil changes or at least see what comes out. Had this inside for a year and covered 10k miles. A proper sludge came out sticking to the bucket. Replaced with new oil (Shell) just a day before it's mot and it failed badly on emissions (first mot fail since new!). Had to be flushed out by a special treatment and new oil put in again. Carbon build up from these is beyond joke. My driving has been consistent during many years. I believe its a false economy as it seems to cost more in the long term. The mechanic working on my car had this oil on the floor. I asked him what are his thoughts about it. He said they receive it for free with all the service kits they order and they never put it in cars. I then proceed to tell him that's the oil which I used last year and he kindly advised me to refrain from doing it again. I won't. Not worth it.
Jules_HT05/01/2020 09:44

It's not whether it's compatible, it's whether it's certified (to meet the …It's not whether it's compatible, it's whether it's certified (to meet the particular standards each manufacturer set as being required by their engines).



Surely not 'required' so much as 'prefered'.
Probably being dumb here but not long got a Astra and the manual states the oils needs to be dexos 2, can see no mention of it on any car oils I’m looking at, is this dexos 2?
bourne605/01/2020 14:49

Probably being dumb here but not long got a Astra and the manual states …Probably being dumb here but not long got a Astra and the manual states the oils needs to be dexos 2, can see no mention of it on any car oils I’m looking at, is this dexos 2?



just any GM oil.... loads do it
kodivius05/01/2020 12:32

Hi, thought I would share my personal experience with this oil. Used it …Hi, thought I would share my personal experience with this oil. Used it for our 13 years old fault free Yaris 1.4 diesel. I didn't think there will be much of a difference. I usually do my own oil changes or at least see what comes out. Had this inside for a year and covered 10k miles. A proper sludge came out sticking to the bucket. Replaced with new oil (Shell) just a day before it's mot and it failed badly on emissions (first mot fail since new!). Had to be flushed out by a special treatment and new oil put in again. Carbon build up from these is beyond joke. My driving has been consistent during many years. I believe its a false economy as it seems to cost more in the long term. The mechanic working on my car had this oil on the floor. I asked him what are his thoughts about it. He said they receive it for free with all the service kits they order and they never put it in cars. I then proceed to tell him that's the oil which I used last year and he kindly advised me to refrain from doing it again. I won't. Not worth it.



kodivius05/01/2020 12:32

Hi, thought I would share my personal experience with this oil. Used it …Hi, thought I would share my personal experience with this oil. Used it for our 13 years old fault free Yaris 1.4 diesel. I didn't think there will be much of a difference. I usually do my own oil changes or at least see what comes out. Had this inside for a year and covered 10k miles. A proper sludge came out sticking to the bucket. Replaced with new oil (Shell) just a day before it's mot and it failed badly on emissions (first mot fail since new!). Had to be flushed out by a special treatment and new oil put in again. Carbon build up from these is beyond joke. My driving has been consistent during many years. I believe its a false economy as it seems to cost more in the long term. The mechanic working on my car had this oil on the floor. I asked him what are his thoughts about it. He said they receive it for free with all the service kits they order and they never put it in cars. I then proceed to tell him that's the oil which I used last year and he kindly advised me to refrain from doing it again. I won't. Not worth it.


Sorry to hear this. You may well be right & this oil is crap. On the other hand, it might not be the oil & you're just a victim of unlucky circumstance.

All diesel engines produce a small amount of soot as a by-product of combustion & quite a bit of it ends up in the engine oil. The oil contains polymeric ashless dispersants to keep this black junk suspended in the oil. A B4 compliant oil will contain about 5 - 6% dispersant & should happily suspend about 5% soot before it needs to be changed.

What you're describing suggests to me that your engine might be making a lot more soot than usual because the fuel isn't burning properly. After 13 years, I might wonder whether one of your fuel injectors is on the blink? (either mechanically or just coked up at the tip)

Rather than spending money getting the engine fixed, I might say just put a 'proper' heavy duty diesel oil in the sump (the sort you use in buses & trucks). Typically these oils contain a lot more ashless dispersant than bog-standard PCMOs & should cure your problem.
pasheast05/01/2020 14:35

Surely not 'required' so much as 'prefered'.


Well I'm not sure how you'd get on with a warranty claim if you seized the engine and owned up to using oil that doesn't meet the prescribed spec...

Of course that is not the same as saying that oil that doesn't state that it meets the requirements is going to seize your engine.
Joe wrote a very good piece and really know his stuff.

I'm not bother about all these malarky of a b c d e types of oil etc, i just use any decent brand of oil of similar or better grade for my car and never an issue. Oil and filter change once a year.

Over many years I have used shell, Castrol, Halfords and most recently Luk oil from national tyres for oil change. I never use the cheapest oil for sure as do think they are cheap as it doesn't last long to protect the engine.
MOJOoo707/01/2020 18:56

Joe wrote a very good piece and really know his stuff. I'm not bother …Joe wrote a very good piece and really know his stuff. I'm not bother about all these malarky of a b c d e types of oil etc, i just use any decent brand of oil of similar or better grade for my car and never an issue. Oil and filter change once a year. Over many years I have used shell, Castrol, Halfords and most recently Luk oil from national tyres for oil change. I never use the cheapest oil for sure as do think they are cheap as it doesn't last long to protect the engine.


Back in the day, I designed oils for all of those companies. Halfords was indirect but I'm pretty sure I supplied their supplier. Doing Luk Oil Lux was the weirdest program I ever ran. Russians are the most illogical people!
Joe90_guy07/01/2020 19:20

Back in the day, I designed oils for all of those companies. Halfords was …Back in the day, I designed oils for all of those companies. Halfords was indirect but I'm pretty sure I supplied their supplier. Doing Luk Oil Lux was the weirdest program I ever ran. Russians are the most illogical people!


No wonder you so clued up.

It would be good to have your opinion on what you think is a really good brand of oil and doesn't cost the earth.

Russians, their government especially are bad. Recently watch HBO Chernobyl and my god.
MOJOoo707/01/2020 19:31

No wonder you so clued up. It would be good to have your opinion on what …No wonder you so clued up. It would be good to have your opinion on what you think is a really good brand of oil and doesn't cost the earth. Russians, their government especially are bad. Recently watch HBO Chernobyl and my god.


The truth? To all intents & purposes, for a given viscosity & spec, they're all essentially the same.

What folks don't realise is that the oil companies don't actually have that much genuine expertise these days. The last 20 years have seen them selling off huge oil fields, refineries, base oil plants & R&D facilities. They've also pensioned off much of their talent.

Nowerdays the oil companies globally outsource the job of designing oils to the big four American additive companies (who also pick up the eye-wateringly high development costs!). It can be the case that two rival oil companies end up putting the same AddCo-designed oils into their own respective cans. Likewise, the oils that get used in supermarket oils may well be the same as used by some of the majors. As a consequence, the idea of 'branding' has very little meaning.
Edited by: "Joe90_guy" 7th Jan
Thank you for the insight Joe!

Just as well I never really went for the top specced oil brands and always buy when the item is on sale - for top ups. I have never changed the oil myself as don't have the equipment and don't want to get messy for under £50 for my car.

I'm happy enough with the Halfords brand, I know they don't make oil and just rebrand using their name. This is like in a lot of industries, companies branding stuff using their name.

When I was a business student at college we went to Amsterdam and visited Philip's light bulb factory. The guide there told us pretty much all the supermarkets in the UK using own brand light bulbs are made by Philips but sell for a lower price than a Philips brand.

Thanks.
MOJOoo707/01/2020 21:41

Thank you for the insight Joe! Just as well I never really went for the …Thank you for the insight Joe! Just as well I never really went for the top specced oil brands and always buy when the item is on sale - for top ups. I have never changed the oil myself as don't have the equipment and don't want to get messy for under £50 for my car.I'm happy enough with the Halfords brand, I know they don't make oil and just rebrand using their name. This is like in a lot of industries, companies branding stuff using their name. When I was a business student at college we went to Amsterdam and visited Philip's light bulb factory. The guide there told us pretty much all the supermarkets in the UK using own brand light bulbs are made by Philips but sell for a lower price than a Philips brand. Thanks.



Joe90_guy07/01/2020 21:16

The truth? To all intents & purposes, for a given viscosity & spec, …The truth? To all intents & purposes, for a given viscosity & spec, they're all essentially the same. What folks don't realise is that the oil companies don't actually have that much genuine expertise these days. The last 20 years have seen them selling off huge oil fields, refineries, base oil plants & R&D facilities. They've also pensioned off much of their talent.Nowerdays the oil companies globally outsource the job of designing oils to the big four American additive companies (who also pick up the eye-wateringly high development costs!). It can be the case that two rival oil companies end up putting the same AddCo-designed oils into their own respective cans. Likewise, the oils that get used in supermarket oils have are the same as used by some majors. As a consequence, the idea of 'branding' has very little meaning.


My sister used to work opposite the massive Two Sisters chicken factory in the Midlands. She told me that there was a constant procession of trucks going in & out to pick up supplies. It turns out that Waitrose, Tesco & Sainsburys all buy their chicken from the same place that Aldi & Lidl do! Why would you ever pay over the odds if you knew that the stuff was essentially the same?
Exactly I have been shopping at Lidl & Aldi for 10+ years now.
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