Trust Ziva Compact 2.1 PC Speakers with Subwoofer for Computer and Laptop, 12 W, USB Powered £8.99 (Prime) / £13.74 (non Prime) at Amazon
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Trust Ziva Compact 2.1 PC Speakers with Subwoofer for Computer and Laptop, 12 W, USB Powered £8.99 (Prime) / £13.74 (non Prime) at Amazon

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Found 10th JanEdited by:"ismaildeals123"
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used-good condition ones selling cheaper at £7.55
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Roph3 h, 51 m ago

How can USB powered speakers be 12W? A standard USB port gives 2.5W at …How can USB powered speakers be 12W? A standard USB port gives 2.5W at maximum with 5V at 500mA. In reality you won't get 500mA from one port as typically multiple ports will go back to a single internal root hub.



Ignore peak rating, they're 6W RMS. USB3.0 is 900mA or 1500mA depending on spec/port. Watts = Amps x Volts so 1.5 x 5 = 7.5W.

Would be entirely possible to get these upto that 12W rating using USB3.1 which does 3A x 5v = 15W.

As you said things are little different in the realworld tho. Heat from me anywho.
Here is what I can never understand.
You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20
Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.
So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.
How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?
All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.

Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.
Why?
Oinky19 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?

Spot on, I've said it for years. The answer is, because they can get away with it. They charge what they think the 'sheeple' will pay and they max it out. It's the very same in many different areas such as UK train fares etc. No doubt some will say "market forces" but it's actually just greed and avarice.
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Any good. has someone used it before??
fame20 m ago

Any good. has someone used it before??



Not this particular set, but they have a decent rating on Amazon.

Trust are sort of a boring middle-of-the-road IT brand, rarely very exciting, but not usually too disapointing.

I really loved their large "comfort" mouse a few years back, and really wished they still made it.
fame1 h, 37 m ago

Any good. has someone used it before??


Heat for the price.
USB powered so don't expect your heart to skip a beat...
Templar_10111th Jan

Heat for the price.USB powered so don't expect your heart to skip a beat...


agreed
How can USB powered speakers be 12W?

A standard USB port gives 2.5W at maximum with 5V at 500mA. In reality you won't get 500mA from one port as typically multiple ports will go back to a single internal root hub.
Roph3 h, 51 m ago

How can USB powered speakers be 12W? A standard USB port gives 2.5W at …How can USB powered speakers be 12W? A standard USB port gives 2.5W at maximum with 5V at 500mA. In reality you won't get 500mA from one port as typically multiple ports will go back to a single internal root hub.



Ignore peak rating, they're 6W RMS. USB3.0 is 900mA or 1500mA depending on spec/port. Watts = Amps x Volts so 1.5 x 5 = 7.5W.

Would be entirely possible to get these upto that 12W rating using USB3.1 which does 3A x 5v = 15W.

As you said things are little different in the realworld tho. Heat from me anywho.
1.5W per speaker, subwoofer 3W. 12W is peak with a 6W RMS.Obviously a 5W output will be a lower.
continuous volume.
Here is what I can never understand.
You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20
Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.
So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.
How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?
All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.

Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.
Why?
I love how the USB powered sub woofer has a base control...!
Oinky19 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?

Spot on, I've said it for years. The answer is, because they can get away with it. They charge what they think the 'sheeple' will pay and they max it out. It's the very same in many different areas such as UK train fares etc. No doubt some will say "market forces" but it's actually just greed and avarice.
Oinky20 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?


That's what the Echo dot is for tho - I've got one paired to my AV amp over a bluetooth audio receiver, and another one in my kitchen plugged into a £10-20 pair of PC speakers like this
I’ve got this set of speakers. I actually got them free when i bought a pc off Ebay. In fairness they’re not bad for the money. I’m no audiophile and only use them for games etc and the sound is actually pretty good. The only downside is the cable length between the two satellite speakers is pretty short (maybe 60cm or so).
Awaken53 m ago

That's what the Echo dot is for tho - I've got one paired to my AV amp …That's what the Echo dot is for tho - I've got one paired to my AV amp over a bluetooth audio receiver, and another one in my kitchen plugged into a £10-20 pair of PC speakers like this


Exactly yes. I have similar, but one has to agree, it's just easier and neater to have built into one unit, and not having to perhaps power up and down the external speakers.
Given the cost of the guts of the Echo Dot or Home Mini, and the minimal cost of PC Speakers. It should be super easy to make something vastly better sounding for easy £100. but no. Can't be done.
Oinky1 h, 44 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?


They are completely different products. Google needs to charge a premium for the millions it has invested in R&D for the Echo. Selling them at the same price, even though the speakers are probably similar doesn't make sense.
There are a lot of these on the "used" page coming from Amazon Warehouse deals. Probably means a LOT of people have returned these after purchaseing because they did not meet their expectations. Buyer beware?!
Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?

TV speakers just missing Bass and hoping these can add to it via headphone jack
kidchop44 m ago

Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV …Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV speakers just missing Bass and hoping these can add to it via headphone jack


Probably a modest step up as TV speakers are almost universally awful, probably worth a go considering how cheap they are, but I think you would have to keep your expectations relatively low. Also controlling the volume may be an issue as these have no remote. I suppose if you use the headphone jack you could just set these at full and use the volume on the TV remote to control it, though there will probably be a bit of hiss running these at full volume....
Edited by: "ST3123" 11th Jan
ST31235 m ago

Probably a modest step up as TV speakers are almost universally awful, …Probably a modest step up as TV speakers are almost universally awful, probably worth a go considering how cheap they are, but I think you would have to keep your expectations relatively low. Also controlling the volume may be an issue as these have no remote. I suppose if you use the headphone jack you could just set these at full and use the volume on the TV remote to control it, though there will probably be a bit of hiss running these at full volume....


Don't max these out. I see the end is near
kidchop1 h, 41 m ago

Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV …Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV speakers just missing Bass and hoping these can add to it via headphone jack


I seriously doubt these will be an improvement on mains powered TV speakers, even the tinny built in ones
Thanks, I will test them out for 9 quid. It needs unexpiring.
kidchop3 h, 8 m ago

Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV …Would these be decent to use on a 40" TV in a small sized living room?TV speakers just missing Bass and hoping these can add to it via headphone jack


Yes, defintaely
Wayo1214 h, 34 m ago

They are completely different products. Google needs to charge a premium …They are completely different products. Google needs to charge a premium for the millions it has invested in R&D for the Echo. Selling them at the same price, even though the speakers are probably similar doesn't make sense.


Apologies as I may not have explained myself correctly.
Google makes the home for £49 in the mini, and they don't make it themselves.
You can buy moderately decent PC Speakers for £20 to £30, even a Sub/Sat system.
There is no reason on Earth Google could not build the Google assistant (guts from the mini) fit it inside a larger plastic case with vastly better speakers, and still sell for £100 easy AND make profit.
I have the "Approx" branded version of these speakers (in white).
Got them off eBay for ~£11 about a year ago, and I have to say they are surprisingly good. Obviously not audiophile quality, but they give a good, clear sound at all but the highest volume. Turned up to about 50% (combination of 75% on PC volume setting and three-quarters on the volume knob on the speakers) they provide ample output for the downstairs "dining room" and through-lounge.
Bass control is quite effective too, without any noticeable rattle etc. that can often occur with cheaper speakers.
I would say give these a go, especially if you have Prime.
mehmeh8 h, 7 m ago

Ignore peak rating, they're 6W RMS. USB3.0 is 900mA or 1500mA depending on …Ignore peak rating, they're 6W RMS. USB3.0 is 900mA or 1500mA depending on spec/port. Watts = Amps x Volts so 1.5 x 5 = 7.5W. Would be entirely possible to get these upto that 12W rating using USB3.1 which does 3A x 5v = 15W. As you said things are little different in the realworld tho. Heat from me anywho.


The is no such thing as RMS Watts. You can have RMS volts of an AC main supply sign wave for volts (70.7%) for example. But you cannot have RMS Watts.
If you don't believe me Google it.
Edited by: "7iain7" 11th Jan
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Got to love the Amazon description!!
Oinky8 h, 8 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?



If these fail after three months and you've paid £8.99, you're not going to too upset. If you've paid £80 for them with built-in GH or Alexa, you're going to be quite annoyed. So better quality control is needed. Also, they're butt ugly. Neither Google nor Amazon would ship something like this, they've got design standards to maintain.

And customers would expect wireless speakers to be, well, wireless. So you need to provide each unit with a power supply. Ooh, three power supplies, not good. And radio communications between them, or some more complex networking. Suddenly it's a bit more complicated then just chucking the guts of an Echo dot into a set of computer speakers.

If you're happy with all the compromises that these speakers represent, connect a Dot and you're done. If you're expecting Google or Amazon to produce a 2.1 smart speaker, it'll probably happen eventually, but it won't be less than £100.
Edited by: "Dodge62" 11th Jan
7iain73 h, 43 m ago

The is no such thing as RMS Watts. You can have RMS volts of an AC main …The is no such thing as RMS Watts. You can have RMS volts of an AC main supply sign wave for volts (70.7%) for example. But you cannot have RMS Watts. If you don't believe me Google it.



You've lost me, the very first hit on Google is an explanation of what it is; and that is exactly the same answer given in my Electronics text book from 40 years ago, and my Grandfathers hifi guide book from around 50 years ago.

HOWEVER, it is an artificial guide to how powerful an amp is, or the power a speaker will take with regards to music playback; however I wont bore with the details, people can look it up if they feel the thirst for knowledge.
(As opposed to the thirst for beer).
Bargain... heated added
jaydeeuk17 h, 58 m ago

I seriously doubt these will be an improvement on mains powered TV …I seriously doubt these will be an improvement on mains powered TV speakers, even the tinny built in ones


You've done well with your choices of TV.
Most TV's should be better than these, but some are really, truly, shockingly awful.
The get some fairly awful reviews "The quality of the sound resembles a child singing through a toilet roll holder and as for the bass, I get more bass from fishing and I don't even fish. I know it's cheap but I kinda expected a *little* bit more. Returning."

I guess that's why other speakers cost more. TBF most PC's have awful DAC's.
Oinky13 h, 24 m ago

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?


The full size Echo has fantastic sound since the software update in November. Better sound then any £50 Bluetooth speaker I've owned by a long shot.
Gentle_Giant3 h, 14 m ago

You've lost me, the very first hit on Google is an explanation of what it …You've lost me, the very first hit on Google is an explanation of what it is; and that is exactly the same answer given in my Electronics text book from 40 years ago, and my Grandfathers hifi guide book from around 50 years ago.HOWEVER, it is an artificial guide to how powerful an amp is, or the power a speaker will take with regards to music playback; however I wont bore with the details, people can look it up if they feel the thirst for knowledge.(As opposed to the thirst for beer).

hifi-writer.com/he/…htm
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tbon312 h, 21 m ago

There are a lot of these on the "used" page coming from Amazon Warehouse …There are a lot of these on the "used" page coming from Amazon Warehouse deals. Probably means a LOT of people have returned these after purchaseing because they did not meet their expectations. Buyer beware?!


Haha
Cheaper than in any bargain store and a great price.
Expectations! What expectations?
For this price I only want them to work
Edited by: "deleted1367315" 11th Jan
Gentle_Giant3 h, 59 m ago

You've lost me, the very first hit on Google is an explanation of what it …You've lost me, the very first hit on Google is an explanation of what it is; and that is exactly the same answer given in my Electronics text book from 40 years ago, and my Grandfathers hifi guide book from around 50 years ago.HOWEVER, it is an artificial guide to how powerful an amp is, or the power a speaker will take with regards to music playback; however I wont bore with the details, people can look it up if they feel the thirst for knowledge.(As opposed to the thirst for beer).


RMS is the square root of the mean value or average value squared, or quadradic mean. It cannot be applied to power in any meaningful way.

We have RMS voltage
We have RMS current
We cannot have, as a useful quantity, RMS power

We have continuous power, we have peak power, we have average power.

RMS power is as fictitious and silly as peak-to-peak power. It has no meaning in power. It is something the audio industry cooked up to sell things to audio-phools.

Here you go taken from Wikipedia: " RMS of the sine wave voltage,[6] it is often referred to as "RMS power" or "watts RMS", but this is incorrect: it is not the RMS value of the power waveform (which would be a larger, but meaningless, number).[7][8][9][10] cc
Edited by: "7iain7" 11th Jan
Since someone wants to argue.

The main use of RMS values in audio systems is for component matching; speakers vary enormously in sensitivity and therefore how much power they can safely handle - and also how much power they need to work to a reasonable volume.

Knowing the power output of a system, when you dont know how many decibels the speaker puts out per watt of input is meaningless.


Audio output power is measured using a 1KHz sine wave into a resistive load of 8 (and sometimes 4) ohms, at its maximum target for total harmonic distortion (thd - usually 0.1% or less), it is then multiplied by 0.707 to give the RMS power.

Since both voltage and current vary during playback, and speaker loads vary in resistance, inductance and impedance depending on the frequency of the signal they are being fed, a standard measurement was created; it is not perfect, but it is a lot less deceptive than the practices used by many disreputable audio and electronic companies, who will quote things like:

2000 WATTS!!!

In much smaller writing they might add "Total power", and if you are really lucky they will add "Peak to Peak". Hardly any will bother to mention this output could only be achieved at 10% distortion - which would kill any speaker on the planet.


You can ignore the rest unless you are interested.


Total Power means they have added the power of every speaker together; so for a stereo system you divide by 2 = 1000 watts, quad set up = 500 watts etc.

Peak to peak means the value of the highest and the lowest part of the frequency burst they fed it; so divide by 2 again for peak. Stereo = 500w, quad = 250 etc.

250 watts is still pretty respectable, yes?? Ah, but you forgot 10% THD will make your ears bleed and burn out any speaker you try to feed the signal to, you dont want more than 0.1%, and even that can cause headaches.

Since perceived loudness is logarithmic, you will probably find the straightforward division by 100 is pretty close to getting that 0.1% THD - assuming the cheap design allows it, so you end up with 50 Watts (quad = 25)

Then multiple by 0.707 for RMS output gives you roughly 35 watts.(quad = 17.65).

Still not a bad output, assuming it is a well designed amp; my main speakers are only rated for 20 watts RMS, despite weighing about 30Kg each and standing over a metre tall. Power output isnt everything though, you need a decent power supply behind it to provide the extra OMPH, or it will run out of reserves and sound flat.

Anything using TOTAL POWER OUTPUT!!! is unlikely to have a decent power supply

BTW, I run them (very carefully), on a 200wpc home theatre amp.
Nice, simple, cheap AND cheerful, not bad at all. :-D

Gone are the day's when PC Computer's (Desktop's and the like), alllllllll HAD PC speaker's already built-in to them ... :-(

Ahhhhhhh well?, lol. :-)
Oinky11th Jan

Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 …Here is what I can never understand.You can get speakers like this for £10 to £20Two satellites and a Sub. And, to be fair, whilst no top end HiFi, they can produce some reasonable room filling music, and bass.So if a full setup of such speakers can be made, AND make money on for £10 to £20.How come it's Soooooo impossible to stick such speakers into a Amazon Echo or Google Home Device?All a manufacturer has to go is take the guts from a Google Home / Mini, which much cost, perhaps $15 add them to speakers like this, and utterly destroy the competition.Seems every time someone DARES to fit better speakers into a Echo or Google, then they MUST charge £200/£300 for it.Why?



An alternative is to avoid Google and Amazon and go for an open source solution like MyCroft instead.
amour3k20 h, 29 m ago

Nice, simple, cheap AND cheerful, not bad at all. :-DGone are the day's …Nice, simple, cheap AND cheerful, not bad at all. :-DGone are the day's when PC Computer's (Desktop's and the like), alllllllll HAD PC speaker's already built-in to them ... :-(Ahhhhhhh well?, lol. :-)


When was that or did you mean the mother board speaker?
mcrobbj11th Jan

The get some fairly awful reviews "The quality of the sound resembles a …The get some fairly awful reviews "The quality of the sound resembles a child singing through a toilet roll holder and as for the bass, I get more bass from fishing and I don't even fish. I know it's cheap but I kinda expected a *little* bit more. Returning."I guess that's why other speakers cost more. TBF most PC's have awful DAC's.


You are RIGHT!! I got these speakers a few weeks ago and they sounded awful through my PC but I then invested in a good DAC (Chord Hugo 2) and now they sound awesome! They really sound like they are 4 times the price now! Amazing, I advise anyone who gets these speakers to invest in a good DAC, my suggestion is the Chord Hugo 2.
can we get this to 1000 degrees lol?
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