UCAS Teacher Training Application subsidised from £24 to £1
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UCAS Teacher Training Application subsidised from £24 to £1

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LocalFound 15th MarEdited by:"lauralou95x"
The Department of Education have reduced the teacher training UCAS free from £24 to £1- useful for anyone who is thinking of applying!
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Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, the masses leaving the profession, the likely impact that Brexit will have on the overseas staff that are keeping schools going, the 14% decrease in salaries (in real terms) whilst pension contributions increase and overall pension decreases. Add to that increased violence towards teachers, the pitiful support for CAMHS and the mental health of our children and that they need to be teachers/social workers/extremism monitors etc

Then to train to be a teacher, you have to pay thousands, if your subject isn't fortunate enough to receive a bursary.

But the holidays, eh.

I can't see why anyone would want to join the profession, other than being a jolly good egg.
Wife left a few years ago as it made her miserable. She loved the kids and the actual teaching part, but that made up less than 1/2 the work load. Now she's lucky to be able to stay at home to look after the youngest and spend time with him giving him a great head start in life. If you want a life of your own and to stay healthy, teaching is not for you.

She said she may come back one day in to education but probably not in a teaching role. Shame, as she was rated as outstanding when offsted were around the previous couple of times.
eatmorefish37 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.


I don't know where to start with this. I'm assuming you've only posted it to get a reaction so I won't bother, but for anyone considering applying, an example of another negative: lack of any sort of appreciation from pretty much everyone.
Edited by: "ljbefc" 15th Mar
Love a teacher troll, always good to not support the people who literally look after the nation's children...

3:30 is pretty much the time I start my marking and planning
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Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, the masses leaving the profession, the likely impact that Brexit will have on the overseas staff that are keeping schools going, the 14% decrease in salaries (in real terms) whilst pension contributions increase and overall pension decreases. Add to that increased violence towards teachers, the pitiful support for CAMHS and the mental health of our children and that they need to be teachers/social workers/extremism monitors etc

Then to train to be a teacher, you have to pay thousands, if your subject isn't fortunate enough to receive a bursary.

But the holidays, eh.

I can't see why anyone would want to join the profession, other than being a jolly good egg.
Wife left a few years ago as it made her miserable. She loved the kids and the actual teaching part, but that made up less than 1/2 the work load. Now she's lucky to be able to stay at home to look after the youngest and spend time with him giving him a great head start in life. If you want a life of your own and to stay healthy, teaching is not for you.

She said she may come back one day in to education but probably not in a teaching role. Shame, as she was rated as outstanding when offsted were around the previous couple of times.
Stopha19 m ago

Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, …Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, the masses leaving the profession, the likely impact that Brexit will have on the overseas staff that are keeping schools going, the 14% decrease in salaries (in real terms) whilst pension contributions increase and overall pension decreases. Add to that increased violence towards teachers, the pitiful support for CAMHS and the mental health of our children and that they need to be teachers/social workers/extremism monitors etc Then to train to be a teacher, you have to pay thousands, if your subject isn't fortunate enough to receive a bursary. But the holidays, eh.I can't see why anyone would want to join the profession, other than being a jolly good egg.


3.30.
Zero job insecurity.
Generous pension.
Don't get me stared on the holidays.

If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.
If you've already applied and paid for your application to start this September they are actually refunding £23 to every applicant.
eatmorefish30 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.



What happens at 3.30?
Edited by: "yellowandwhitecow" 15th Mar
eatmorefish37 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.


I don't know where to start with this. I'm assuming you've only posted it to get a reaction so I won't bother, but for anyone considering applying, an example of another negative: lack of any sort of appreciation from pretty much everyone.
Edited by: "ljbefc" 15th Mar
eatmorefish38 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.


Zero job insecurity=true (same as any job no one wants)

Generous pension=true for those who started a long time ago. Younger teachers will have to work till late 60’s to get the whole pension. Or lose 10% for each year they quit early.

Holidays=partially true. Teachers work between 15-40% of holiday days depending on how obsessed they are.

If you think unruly kids are the main challenge of the job you are either in a violent school or haven’t met many teachers.
eatmorefish58 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.


Usual nonsense spouted by someone who doesn't understand. Pretty sure teachers get into the profession to 'teach' and not to deal with unruly kids - many of whom perhaps dont get pulled into line at home so the only discipline is provided in school. Don't get me 'started' on the pension which due to ever changing goal posts I will now be able to access at 68 rather than 60 when I first joined the profession. Holidays in which teachers are expected by schools to come in and give revision sessions 'for nothing'. To quote a yr 11 boy in my school: 'well teachers get paid overtime to come in during the holidays'. He's not yours eatmorefish is he? As a PE teacher the time I have spent giving up lunch and after school hours to provide extra curricular sport is huge. I don't expect thanks, simply an appreciation from the anti teaching establishment that we aren't all waiting with our feet up for the next holiday. My satisfaction comes from seeing a well rounded pupil leave school and contribute something to society or take their sporting talent to an elite level. Instead of teacher bashing, maybe put your energy into something more constructive. Apologies ljbefc for giving him a reaction but there we go!
Edited by: "WIZARD333" 15th Mar
yellowandwhitecow31 m ago

What happens at 3.30?


Funny, I read it as £3.30. Then wondered about 0330, which is funny since I often see my child’s teacher posting lesson reviews at all sorts of hours.

I guess the little man meant 1530 though.

Where would the internet be without trolls?
Nice to read supportive comments for teachers on here. The last time I tried to stick up for my profession I got absolutely slated!!
Love a teacher troll, always good to not support the people who literally look after the nation's children...

3:30 is pretty much the time I start my marking and planning
Seriously, the one genuine reason not to go into teaching is found by looking at teachers themselves. In one of the very few professions which allow the chance to intervene in the course of a young life and truly make a difference I find it amazing that as a group teachers are invariably cynical, ungrateful, self righteous, thin skinned and moaning. Not to mention this idea that everyone else has it better. Everyone in the private sector is living it up, putting lunch on the expense account, idly passing the afternoon with thoughts on where to spend their next bonus.
I am sorry about your pensions, but hey, Wakey Wakey......they are still way better than those offered outside the shelter of the public sector. Not as good as your parents' pensions, but a whole lot better than those of your peers.
pickledo8 m ago

Love a teacher troll, always good to not support the people who literally …Love a teacher troll, always good to not support the people who literally look after the nation's children...3:30 is pretty much the time I start my marking and planning


The readiness to cry 'Troll' at the first opinion you find challenging is not a trait I would want in any teacher.
eatmorefish22 m ago

Seriously, the one genuine reason not to go into teaching is found by …Seriously, the one genuine reason not to go into teaching is found by looking at teachers themselves. In one of the very few professions which allow the chance to intervene in the course of a young life and truly make a difference I find it amazing that as a group teachers are invariably cynical, ungrateful, self righteous, thin skinned and moaning. Not to mention this idea that everyone else has it better. Everyone in the private sector is living it up, putting lunch on the expense account, idly passing the afternoon with thoughts on where to spend their next bonus.I am sorry about your pensions, but hey, Wakey Wakey......they are still way better than those offered outside the shelter of the public sector. Not as good as your parents' pensions, but a whole lot better than those of your peers.


Not going to keep going other than to say that my points were direct responses to what you'd said. Also, I haven't mentioned the private sector and have no opinion on what they do with or without expenses!
eatmorefish41 m ago

The readiness to cry 'Troll' at the first opinion you find challenging is …The readiness to cry 'Troll' at the first opinion you find challenging is not a trait I would want in any teacher.


Wow you seem to have a real issue maybe time to move on rather than keep going.
eatmorefish1 h, 6 m ago

The readiness to cry 'Troll' at the first opinion you find challenging is …The readiness to cry 'Troll' at the first opinion you find challenging is not a trait I would want in any teacher.


Identifying bad behaviour is precisely a trait I would expect in a teacher.
Just saying
ickle_Dave9 m ago

Identifying bad behaviour is precisely a trait I would expect in a …Identifying bad behaviour is precisely a trait I would expect in a teacher.Just saying


...just slap a 'Troll' label on it. Job done.
eslick39 m ago

Wow you seem to have a real issue maybe time to move on rather than keep …Wow you seem to have a real issue maybe time to move on rather than keep going.


Troll did it for me. Disheartening, but especially from a teacher.

Goodnight one and all.
Let me help you then:
Troll - one who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

You sir, have been correctly identified and called out.

If you'd like a more lengthy explanation of how it might be disheartening for teachers to listen to you and your views, then we can do that, but I suspect you don't want to listen.
Unfortunately I think it will take more than this to get people to apply
I was a police officer for thirty years and a detective for twenty five of those. It wasn't a particularly stressful time, if a villain became unpleasant it inevitably ended badly for them. I now teach Chemistry and Biology within a truly stressful profession. 'Teaching' the ill-mannered, bone idle, utterly feckless offspring of even more ill-mannered, bone idle, utterly feckless 'parents' is about as rewarding as root canal surgery. I now teach in a sixth form college and could not be paid enough to go back into secondary. If you are tempted by the holidays, think again. They are timed to councide with what would otherwise be collapse points
coincide
eatmorefish4 h, 6 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.



Its probably people like you that have the kids that are an absolute nightmare for teachers.
jaydeeuk14 h, 16 m ago

Wife left a few years ago as it made her miserable. She loved the kids and …Wife left a few years ago as it made her miserable. She loved the kids and the actual teaching part, but that made up less than 1/2 the work load. Now she's lucky to be able to stay at home to look after the youngest and spend time with him giving him a great head start in life. If you want a life of your own and to stay healthy, teaching is not for you.She said she may come back one day in to education but probably not in a teaching role. Shame, as she was rated as outstanding when offsted were around the previous couple of times.



It's a tough job, no doubt, but I do enjoy it. In fact, I enjoy it more than any other job I have ever had.

Some kids are extremely difficult to teach and communicate with in general, but there are times where you genuinely feel you have made a massive difference, which is tough to get in most professions.
After 20 years of Teaching in mainstream I finally quit, the last mainstream job I had gave me the honour of being in the Senior Leadership Team - a small increase in wage but the joy of waking at 4.30am to commute 1.5 hours and getting home at 9pm after a long hard slog only to start my marking (yes I still had to teach 10 hours as well help run the school) - in reality terms I would have got more per hour stacking shelves in Tesco.

I was lucky enough to be head hunted to work in an Independent Special School at a Care Home - I now work decent hours and actually get to enjoy my holidays with minimal marking, I get as much abuse (but at least there is a reason for that), minimal (statutory) pension but at least my employers value me and my skills and reward me appropriately to run the school. There is life after Teaching ...
eatmorefish4 h, 55 m ago

3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the …3.30.Zero job insecurity.Generous pension.Don't get me stared on the holidays.If you haven't figured out a way to deal with unruly kids it's not a job for you.



Ah, you must be in a profession then!
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Stopha5 h, 30 m ago

Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, …Nothing to do with the total dearth of teachers entering the profession, the masses leaving the profession, the likely impact that Brexit will have on the overseas staff that are keeping schools going, the 14% decrease in salaries (in real terms) whilst pension contributions increase and overall pension decreases. Add to that increased violence towards teachers, the pitiful support for CAMHS and the mental health of our children and that they need to be teachers/social workers/extremism monitors etc Then to train to be a teacher, you have to pay thousands, if your subject isn't fortunate enough to receive a bursary. But the holidays, eh.I can't see why anyone would want to join the profession, other than being a jolly good egg.


I completed a 3 year undergrad degree to teach primary. I lasted my NQT year and went back to working for openreach as a Customer Service Engineer. Better pay and when I go home, I go home with no work to do for the next day. Love working with kids but when it impacts my work life balance, no thanks.
If £23 is what makes you decide to be a teacher well........
I started and quit my PGCE after first placement. Loved teaching and working with the kids, but hated everything else. Ten years later in a completely different profession and not looked back since.

Seems like the harder and more stressful your job, the less you get paid – teachers, nurses, police, firefighters etc. Very sad to see those who work so hard go unappreciated. Much respect to all of you!
tom_g1 h, 33 m ago

Its probably people like you that have the kids that are an absolute …Its probably people like you that have the kids that are an absolute nightmare for teachers.


To have kids, someone would want to procreate with it. Its lack of empathy or intellect is contraception enough.
Edited by: "Stopha" 15th Mar
Adverts on the TV and radio begging people to apply to become teachers.

Cut price application.

That should tell any good graduate all they need to know about the job.

AVOID!
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