Update 31/1 - **Live now** - Bus Hopper fare is going unlimited from end of Jan 2018 - Specific to London
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Update 31/1 - **Live now** - Bus Hopper fare is going unlimited from end of Jan 2018 - Specific to London

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Found 2nd Jan
**** Update 31/1 - Today I got the below email from tfl ****
Launched today, the improved Hopper fare now allows you to make unlimited pay as you go bus and tram journeys within one hour of first touching in, all for £1.50. 

Hopper fares apply to adult rate and discounted pay as you go journeys. 

This is part of the Mayor, Sadiq Khan’s commitment to make travel in London more affordable. 

You must use the same card to touch in on all journeys. For more information, please visit tfl.gov.uk/hopper

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As per the news article Unlimited Bus Hopper fare will be effective by Jan 18 end.

Currently - 2 Bus or Tram Journeys within one hour = £1.50; third journey will cost extra £1.50

After this change from the end of January, it will let passengers transfer any number of times even if they take a train or Tube between "hops"

So within one hour - 2 or 3 or extra (Bus or Tram) journeys will cost = £1.50 the same.

For me its a really good deal :P

Not relevant to above but worth mentioning - Bus Journeys are capped at £4.5 (daily) and £21 (Weekly - Mon-Sun)

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cityam.com/278077/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-confirms-one-hour-hopper-bus-fare
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Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space of a hour. I suspect this change will help very few people in practice. It would have been more useful to combine Tube and bus into a single fare if travelling within the hour
t1nt1n18 h, 2 m ago

London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people …London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people like me outside?


But you lot have Heron Foods and Pound Bakery and lots of things unavailable to us in That London.
Edited by: "dealpickle" 3rd Jan
t1nt1n1 h, 9 m ago

London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people …London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people like me outside?


If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for transport as it is
Please tag it with TFL so that it shows up along with other TFL deals and is easier to search - its a fab change - as lots of people have to do multi changes to get to their destinations and it would help them, thanks for posting.
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Where is this? A London thing? Never heard of it
I'd not known about this so thanks for bringing it to my attention.
iangriffo106613 m ago

Where is this? A London thing? Never heard of it



Yes about London Bus or Tram Hopper fares; published in many new articles today
Thanks op, good to know
Please tag it with TFL so that it shows up along with other TFL deals and is easier to search - its a fab change - as lots of people have to do multi changes to get to their destinations and it would help them, thanks for posting.
matwalaboy9 m ago

Please tag it with TFL so that it shows up along with other TFL deals and …Please tag it with TFL so that it shows up along with other TFL deals and is easier to search - its a fab change - as lots of people have to do multi changes to get to their destinations and it would help them, thanks for posting.



sorry mate don't know how to do it; may be some mod can help here.
Edited by: "Rkp" 2nd Jan
Shame that buses are so expensive in my area of Bedfordshire
London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people like me outside?
rohitmkiller14 m ago

Shame that buses are so expensive in my area of Bedfordshire


Least you have them! I was in MK and expected to be able to get home, only to be told the next bus was in 4 days! Guess I'm too used to working in London
Oh didn`t know about this - I knew about the 2 bus fares within a hour for £1.50. Might come in handy, thanks op.....
t1nt1n1 h, 9 m ago

London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people …London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people like me outside?


If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for transport as it is
inthehoop1 m ago

If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for …If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for transport as it is


Leave where?
Haha, Xenophobia is alive and well I see.
Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space of a hour. I suspect this change will help very few people in practice. It would have been more useful to combine Tube and bus into a single fare if travelling within the hour
Does the hopper fare work with contactless card or is it just oyster?
inthehoop2 h, 39 m ago

If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for …If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for transport as it is


Leave where and why? I just want a bit of balance in government policy.

Analysis shows London will get £1,940 per head for transport from 2016/17 onwards, North West £680, North East £220, and Yorkshire and the Humber £190 of transport spending per person.

ippr.org/new…-up
jas15051 h, 16 m ago

Does the hopper fare work with contactless card or is it just oyster?


Yes they do
saykred5 h, 11 m ago

Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space …Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space of a hour. I suspect this change will help very few people in practice. It would have been more useful to combine Tube and bus into a single fare if travelling within the hour



Must have been something that day. I use this quite frequently and know many others who do as well. There is even a grace period of 10 mins, so if you swipe your card within 70 mins of the previous swipe, it still counts as one journey only.
Easy.Action.Baby7 h, 11 m ago

Leave where and why? I just want a bit of balance in government …Leave where and why? I just want a bit of balance in government policy.Analysis shows London will get £1,940 per head for transport from 2016/17 onwards, North West £680, North East £220, and Yorkshire and the Humber £190 of transport spending per person.https://www.ippr.org/news-and-media/press-releases/new-transport-figures-reveal-london-gets-1-500-per-head-more-than-the-north-but-north-west-powerhouse-catching-up


This was my point, thank you
This is delivering on what was promised when the Bus Hopper was first introduced - I think there was some technical reason why they couldn't apply it to more than two buses in the hour originally, so presumably they've now sorted that out.
Thanks
What if you only have money ( visitor to London ) as I understand they don't collect money on TfL, is it a taxi or nothing but walking, The world is going technically bonkers.
Thanks
soldierboy0011 h, 3 m ago

What if you only have money ( visitor to London ) as I understand they …What if you only have money ( visitor to London ) as I understand they don't collect money on TfL, is it a taxi or nothing but walking, The world is going technically bonkers.


Buy an Oyster card and return it at the end of the trip.
H.
saykred13 h, 1 m ago

Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space …Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space of a hour. I suspect this change will help very few people in practice. It would have been more useful to combine Tube and bus into a single fare if travelling within the hour


I think it helps some people, and it's a good idea. Though your idea is even better
They should also have cheaper train only fares as they used to. Whereas currently you buy a tube a ticket and the bus ticket is included
You're right, North definitely needs more investment, but we do pay even higher fares etc here
Moreover, up until recently minimum wage was the same throughout the country, regardless of living costs in various areas.
The real divides are between poor and rich, whichever region one lives in.
Easy.Action.Baby11 h, 54 m ago

Leave where and why? I just want a bit of balance in government …Leave where and why? I just want a bit of balance in government policy.Analysis shows London will get £1,940 per head for transport from 2016/17 onwards, North West £680, North East £220, and Yorkshire and the Humber £190 of transport spending per person.https://www.ippr.org/news-and-media/press-releases/new-transport-figures-reveal-london-gets-1-500-per-head-more-than-the-north-but-north-west-powerhouse-catching-up

inthehoop15 h, 15 m ago

If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for …If you don't like it then leave, Londoners pay through their nose for transport as it is



Actually they don't, it is already cheaper to travel within London than many cities (except by car) but obviously you already know that.
thanks.
t1nt1n18 h, 2 m ago

London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people …London London London London, how about some help with the unwashed people like me outside?


But you lot have Heron Foods and Pound Bakery and lots of things unavailable to us in That London.
Edited by: "dealpickle" 3rd Jan
dealpickle8 m ago

But you lot have Heron Foods and Pound Bakery and lots of things …But you lot have Heron Foods and Pound Bakery and lots of things unavailable to those of us in That London.


Haha, tis true. But it's mostly rickets and the black lung.
Lucky for some. Where I live in Oxfordshire buses are really expensive and car parks are also expensive. Your daily cap is less than a return journey from my town into Oxford which is only 5 minutes away. They should have this system in more places to encourage the use of public transport and decrease pollution and the use of cars which will in turn reduce traffic jams.
Great, if only those idiots hadn't taken so many buses out of service, blame Khan for that
bozo00713 h, 26 m ago

Must have been something that day. I use this quite frequently and know …Must have been something that day. I use this quite frequently and know many others who do as well. There is even a grace period of 10 mins, so if you swipe your card within 70 mins of the previous swipe, it still counts as one journey only.


Thank u, i didnt know that. Happy to know i have tin minutes extra (i am always checking to make sure i take the second bus before fifty-nine minutes have past).
sazal2 h, 34 m ago

Lucky for some. Where I live in Oxfordshire buses are really expensive and …Lucky for some. Where I live in Oxfordshire buses are really expensive and car parks are also expensive. Your daily cap is less than a return journey from my town into Oxford which is only 5 minutes away. They should have this system in more places to encourage the use of public transport and decrease pollution and the use of cars which will in turn reduce traffic jams.



This deal is still super expensive to me - buses just can't compete with private transport. Where I live it costs £3 for a 5 mile bus fare to Newcastle. In my car that same journey costs £0.45. Let's do a comparison here:

Bus:
Dropped off closer to my place of work.
Someone else does the driving for me.

Car:
It costs 6.67 times less than the bus.
Journey begins at my front door.
I can listen to music and control the temperature of the vehicle.
I am guaranteed a seat.
My transport won't be affected my public transport strikes.
My transport will always turn up.
I can begin my journey at the time of my choosing.
I have no risk of being mugged/sexually assaulted/stabbed in my own vehicle.
My vehicle breaks down way less than public transport vehicles.

The first point alone is enough for me to choose a car over public transport. Even if the cost was the same and the bus fare was £0.45 I would still opt to drive due to the other benefits. I would even think twice if buses were free.

Public transport only works in London where buses and underground run every 2 minutes and cars have been pushed out for only the rich to afford. When I last went to London it was shocking how many posh cars were driving around - I saw barely any older cars because poorer people have been taxed out of the city.

The government has done a good job at pushing poor people on to public transport by taxing them out of driving and it worries me that they are trying to do the same in other cities. The ever outward creep of double yellow lines is regularly extending the walking part of my commute to try to tempt me on to public transport as I refuse to pay parking taxes. The artificially created traffic jams by closing left turns, turning slip roads into bus lanes, turning functioning roundabouts into slow changing traffic light systems or reducing over capacity two lane roads to one lane + bus lane are creating massive amounts of pollution from idling cars so that the government and councils can justify implementing "congestion charges" across the country.

This is worrying and should be fought.

You should avoid public transport at all costs because when the government and councils see numbers increasing they think they're doing the right thing. The only time I set foot on public transport is if I am going drinking or going to an airport, otherwise they can keep their excessively priced tat to themselves.
saykred19 h, 11 m ago

Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space …Lived in London many years and not once got more than 2 buses in the space of a hour. I suspect this change will help very few people in practice. It would have been more useful to combine Tube and bus into a single fare if travelling within the hour


It will help MANY people. Minimum wage workers needing to change buses more than once en route to work (london exteriors-only buses will take you in a non zone 1 direction and its painful)
Early starters. Night workers.(many service industry jobs like cleaning and hotels)
The addition of the cheaper tube journeys is huge.
The launch of the hopper meant many O.A.P.'s etc can simply go to the supermarket for 50 minutes and come back free.
(a saving of £3 a week for a couple).
I can spend the last 50 mins in my fav pub (2 miles) with friends and get home for nothing.
The Hopper is a huge bonus to everybody that is savvy.
Expanding it is no bad thing at all,as London is riddled with slave-esq jobs.
If you never got on 2 buses in an hour you had little imagination or never went on a decent pub crawl.
Maybe to justify their massive profits from illegally ripping off users.
£75 million in 2015....

moneysavingexpert.com/rec…und
sarkymark122 m ago

Maybe to justify their massive profits from illegally ripping off …Maybe to justify their massive profits from illegally ripping off users.£75 million in 2015....https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/oyster-card-refund


Its better to always keep track of journey history for oyster/contactless.
Best to subscribe for the weekly journey history statements from online account to avoid such cases.
Mishap happens but I have never faced issue for their refunds and Instead of calling I prefer using their online complaint form.
Edited by: "Rkp" 3rd Jan
joe_shmoe24 m ago

It will help MANY people. Minimum wage workers needing to change buses …It will help MANY people. Minimum wage workers needing to change buses more than once en route to work (london exteriors-only buses will take you in a non zone 1 direction and its painful)Early starters. Night workers.(many service industry jobs like cleaning and hotels)The addition of the cheaper tube journeys is huge. The launch of the hopper meant many O.A.P.'s etc can simply go to the supermarket for 50 minutes and come back free.(a saving of £3 a week for a couple).I can spend the last 50 mins in my fav pub (2 miles) with friends and get home for nothing.The Hopper is a huge bonus to everybody that is savvy. Expanding it is no bad thing at all,as London is riddled with slave-esq jobs.If you never got on 2 buses in an hour you had little imagination or never went on a decent pub crawl.



I said more than 2 buses in an hour
Sephiroth1 h, 25 m ago

This deal is still super expensive to me - buses just can't compete with …This deal is still super expensive to me - buses just can't compete with private transport. Where I live it costs £3 for a 5 mile bus fare to Newcastle. In my car that same journey costs £0.45. Let's do a comparison here:Bus:Dropped off closer to my place of work.Someone else does the driving for me.Car:It costs 6.67 times less than the bus.Journey begins at my front door.I can listen to music and control the temperature of the vehicle.I am guaranteed a seat.My transport won't be affected my public transport strikes.My transport will always turn up.I can begin my journey at the time of my choosing.I have no risk of being mugged/sexually assaulted/stabbed in my own vehicle.My vehicle breaks down way less than public transport vehicles.The first point alone is enough for me to choose a car over public transport. Even if the cost was the same and the bus fare was £0.45 I would still opt to drive due to the other benefits. I would even think twice if buses were free.Public transport only works in London where buses and underground run every 2 minutes and cars have been pushed out for only the rich to afford. When I last went to London it was shocking how many posh cars were driving around - I saw barely any older cars because poorer people have been taxed out of the city.The government has done a good job at pushing poor people on to public transport by taxing them out of driving and it worries me that they are trying to do the same in other cities. The ever outward creep of double yellow lines is regularly extending the walking part of my commute to try to tempt me on to public transport as I refuse to pay parking taxes. The artificially created traffic jams by closing left turns, turning slip roads into bus lanes, turning functioning roundabouts into slow changing traffic light systems or reducing over capacity two lane roads to one lane + bus lane are creating massive amounts of pollution from idling cars so that the government and councils can justify implementing "congestion charges" across the country.This is worrying and should be fought.You should avoid public transport at all costs because when the government and councils see numbers increasing they think they're doing the right thing. The only time I set foot on public transport is if I am going drinking or going to an airport, otherwise they can keep their excessively priced tat to themselves.


If you can run a car including road tax, insurance,fuel,initial purchase, depreciation,M.O.T., parts,labor, consumables ( tyres,brake pads,engine/gbox oil,screen washer etc) parking charges, the odd parking/traffic violation fine, for less than your stated 75p / mile I would be surprised if you have much change.
The gubbermint wants you in that car,Matey. about 65% of your expenditure is tax.
A DD bus costs 1/4 million and the driver draws a wage.so does the garage crew.
This is why they invest little in public transport outside the capital. The motorist is a soft target.
Edited by: "joe_shmoe" 3rd Jan
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