Used - Very Good - TomTom Start 25 M Central Europe Traffic Satellite Navigation System £33.52 @ Amazon Warehouse
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Used - Very Good - TomTom Start 25 M Central Europe Traffic Satellite Navigation System £33.52 @ Amazon Warehouse

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Found 19th MarEdited by:"visitor33"
In very good condition from Amazon warehouse, I think that this is a good price.
Quite a few left.
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I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some reason people who clearly have no need or want for the device decide the best thing to do is open the deal and comment on why they are not needed.

My phone is wonderful and I often use Google Maps on it for directions. However I also still have a SatNav as I find it very useful for certain things Google Maps cannot do.

For example when in an area without any signal my Google maps is no good unless I have already downloaded offline Maps. I tend not to do this because what is the point? I cant get live traffic updates so the benefit of using my phone is lost and it just takes up space and battery on my phone. Plus is requires forward planning.

Also Google Maps is useless for finding alternate routes if there is a roadblock or closed road. Just google it and you will find it is a common complaint, even Waze is the same. On Tomtom just click roadblock ahead and then it will find a new route for you. Had this exact problem in January and had to get my Tomtom out because I had no signal on my phone and even with Google Offline Maps it was no use.

Yes I know you can get other paid for applications that work better on a phone, but if I am paying for an app then what am I saving? I may as well get a dedicated system that works offline, needs no forward planning and does not use any data or battery on my phone which I can leave on the side.

My Tomtom actually has live traffic updates anyway.

For £33.52 why not get a fail safe system that will just work
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It is a good price for those of us who still like using a stand alone Sat Nav system, and not our phones!
Am I correct that this doesn't have UK maps as it's central Europe only? Or am I reading that wrong?
get ya sat navs out
Original Poster
don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get more strict soon
Thanks OP, have purchased one for my Dad as he's been looking at a replacement nav this evening
There's a software fault on these you can't search by just post code if street has no name
TomTom Go is only one useable. Check the reviews
Stay away from start n via
causerino15 m ago

Am I correct that this doesn't have UK maps as it's central Europe only? …Am I correct that this doesn't have UK maps as it's central Europe only? Or am I reading that wrong?


I think you're right. Quick look on the tomtom website and central europe includes 19 countries but not uk.
dblake7 m ago

I think you're right. Quick look on the tomtom website and central europe …I think you're right. Quick look on the tomtom website and central europe includes 19 countries but not uk.


Thought so. Hope everyone who buys it isn't in for a shock when they try to route in the UK!
visitor3323 m ago

don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get …don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get more strict soon


What's due to change? Can't find anything online about it.

Not sure why there's still a market for sat navs at all any more. Mobile phones do everything a sat nav unit does and have done for 10 years now, and they do it better. Any dangerous driving offence that you'd be done for when using a hands-free mobile phone as a sat nav would be exactly the same if you were using a regular sat nav in the same way.
visitor3337 m ago

don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get …don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get more strict soon


As it supports TMC (communication) and has its own battery it is legally a handheld device so is just as liable to prosecution as using a mobile phone in a holder.

It all a big can of worms and will depend on the police officer in question.

The most recent can of worms is phones or satnavs blocking your view. Considering the sun visor is 6 times the average size of a phone or satnavs size and sits at half the distance, so in effect covers 12x the area.

Besides if they don't like you there are plenty of offences they could change you with.

Anyway back to the deal. The cheap ones seem to have gone and also it might have maps that are 5 years old (model released in 2013). Not voting either way.
causerino44 m ago

Am I correct that this doesn't have UK maps as it's central Europe only? …Am I correct that this doesn't have UK maps as it's central Europe only? Or am I reading that wrong?


If you look at the chart on the Amazon page it states the following. So if it's wrong returning should be no issue.

MAP TYPE uk,_ireland_&_western_europe
GAVINLEWISHUKD1 h, 1 m ago

If you look at the chart on the Amazon page it states the following. So if …If you look at the chart on the Amazon page it states the following. So if it's wrong returning should be no issue.MAP TYPE uk,_ireland_&_western_europe


See I saw this bit in the description..."Map coverage: Central Europe"
causerino1 h, 57 m ago

See I saw this bit in the description..."Map coverage: Central Europe"


The newer model (refurb) with better features and lifetime map updates is only £70. So might be a better long term prospect.


Edit: After a bit of research it seems the last maps produced for this model is map 995 with a date of 1 SEP 2017.
Which while I can somewhat forgive the rubbish advertising of lifetime maps on a refurb unit.

What I can't is that Argos are selling them new with lifetime maps even though they will never get an update.
Edited by: "GAVINLEWISHUKD" 20th Mar
Confirmed with live chat guys it does have uk Ireland and western Europe maps. Still not buying as someone mentioned its gone quite old.
GAVINLEWISHUKD8 m ago

The newer model (refurb) with better features and lifetime map updates is …The newer model (refurb) with better features and lifetime map updates is only £70. So might be a better long term prospect.


Which one would you prefer? Refurb or Used - Good?
Haven't maps been discontinued for this model, so you'll be stuck with whatever age maps are on it??? tomtom.com/en_…ts/
TomTom have pulled the support and lifetime free map updates for Start models. You will buy a brick if you get one of these
Batmobile5431 h, 37 m ago

Which one would you prefer? Refurb or Used - Good?


Neither. See my edit above.
michaeloswell:
Never buy a Tomtom, their customer support is non existent, the allow updates that brick devices and won't stand by them. AvoidAviod ConCon
Jumpingphil5 h, 38 m ago

My sat nav is free to use now after I have paid for it. I don't have a …My sat nav is free to use now after I have paid for it. I don't have a data plan on my phone as I don't need one. That is why there is still a need for sat navs.


By that argument you don't need one at all then.

The navigation is the least part of TomTom on Smartphone and the other systems, I can use mine with no data switched on if I wanted, (or load it while still at home on wifi) but it's the live traffic data that is the real benefit of having it unless you live in the wilds. I only ever bought an old fashioned stand alone sat nav in the first place for the speed camera add ons.

Old fashioned A-Zs and Road maps still exist too and do everything a standalone Satnav does, but you still drive blindly into road chaos with Road works and 50 minute delays on the M6 with those too.
Edited by: "nihcaj" 20th Mar
GAVINLEWISHUKD8 h, 58 m ago

The most recent can of worms is phones or satnavs blocking your view. …The most recent can of worms is phones or satnavs blocking your view. Considering the sun visor is 6 times the average size of a phone or satnavs size and sits at half the distance, so in effect covers 12x the area.


Plenty of numpties out there with a sat nav stuck in line of sight - easily capable of blocking view of a pedestrian, bike or motorbike. If you can't understand the issue maybe you're one of them? Have you been driving around for the last couple of days peering through the wiper area with the rest of the windows, lights and number plates covered in snow? Plenty of people don't seem to think that's a problem either!
michaeloswell1 h, 33 m ago

michaeloswell:Never buy a Tomtom, their customer support is non existent, …michaeloswell:Never buy a Tomtom, their customer support is non existent, the allow updates that brick devices and won't stand by them. AvoidAviod ConCon


Not strictly true. You can update TomToms with both unofficial and official support. I still have an eleven year old TomTom GO Live 940 with the latest maps and speedcams that I update manually via TT Home. TomTom standalone devices made anytime from September 2010 onwards, (for eg. the GO 1000 series, GO LIVE 800 series, Start 20 series and all VIA models) cannot be updated like this because Windows Explorer does not recognise them.

I'd personally avoid this device and opt for a GO Live 920/930/940 that has a MicroSD slot and the ability to update to a full European Truck map that can be used for any vehicle.
I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some reason people who clearly have no need or want for the device decide the best thing to do is open the deal and comment on why they are not needed.

My phone is wonderful and I often use Google Maps on it for directions. However I also still have a SatNav as I find it very useful for certain things Google Maps cannot do.

For example when in an area without any signal my Google maps is no good unless I have already downloaded offline Maps. I tend not to do this because what is the point? I cant get live traffic updates so the benefit of using my phone is lost and it just takes up space and battery on my phone. Plus is requires forward planning.

Also Google Maps is useless for finding alternate routes if there is a roadblock or closed road. Just google it and you will find it is a common complaint, even Waze is the same. On Tomtom just click roadblock ahead and then it will find a new route for you. Had this exact problem in January and had to get my Tomtom out because I had no signal on my phone and even with Google Offline Maps it was no use.

Yes I know you can get other paid for applications that work better on a phone, but if I am paying for an app then what am I saving? I may as well get a dedicated system that works offline, needs no forward planning and does not use any data or battery on my phone which I can leave on the side.

My Tomtom actually has live traffic updates anyway.

For £33.52 why not get a fail safe system that will just work
97browng1 h, 2 m ago

I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some …I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some reason people who clearly have no need or want for the device decide the best thing to do is open the deal and comment on why they are not needed.My phone is wonderful and I often use Google Maps on it for directions. However I also still have a SatNav as I find it very useful for certain things Google Maps cannot do. For example when in an area without any signal my Google maps is no good unless I have already downloaded offline Maps. I tend not to do this because what is the point? I cant get live traffic updates so the benefit of using my phone is lost and it just takes up space and battery on my phone. Plus is requires forward planning.Also Google Maps is useless for finding alternate routes if there is a roadblock or closed road. Just google it and you will find it is a common complaint, even Waze is the same. On Tomtom just click roadblock ahead and then it will find a new route for you. Had this exact problem in January and had to get my Tomtom out because I had no signal on my phone and even with Google Offline Maps it was no use.Yes I know you can get other paid for applications that work better on a phone, but if I am paying for an app then what am I saving? I may as well get a dedicated system that works offline, needs no forward planning and does not use any data or battery on my phone which I can leave on the side.My Tomtom actually has live traffic updates anyway. For £33.52 why not get a fail safe system that will just work


Exactly this. I like the fact that it is designed to do a specific job, virtually a permanent feature in the car and pre-programmed with all my regular destinations. I like the screen size and layout, together with the fact that I can use it on the continent receiving live traffic updates as I do so. In short, I use a sat nav because it is my personal preference and I accept that others may have differing views which they are fully entitled to hold. Bit like marmite innit
97browng1 h, 23 m ago

I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some …I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some reason people who clearly have no need or want for the device decide the best thing to do is open the deal and comment on why they are not needed.My phone is wonderful and I often use Google Maps on it for directions. However I also still have a SatNav as I find it very useful for certain things Google Maps cannot do. For example when in an area without any signal my Google maps is no good unless I have already downloaded offline Maps. I tend not to do this because what is the point? I cant get live traffic updates so the benefit of using my phone is lost and it just takes up space and battery on my phone. Plus is requires forward planning.Also Google Maps is useless for finding alternate routes if there is a roadblock or closed road. Just google it and you will find it is a common complaint, even Waze is the same. On Tomtom just click roadblock ahead and then it will find a new route for you. Had this exact problem in January and had to get my Tomtom out because I had no signal on my phone and even with Google Offline Maps it was no use.Yes I know you can get other paid for applications that work better on a phone, but if I am paying for an app then what am I saving? I may as well get a dedicated system that works offline, needs no forward planning and does not use any data or battery on my phone which I can leave on the side.My Tomtom actually has live traffic updates anyway. For £33.52 why not get a fail safe system that will just work


You won't get Live traffic on this 30 odd quid device though... you need to pay much more.

Who is talking about Google Maps. The traffic data on that is quirky to say the least anyway. Waze is very good for what it is, but not as seamless as a proper commercial app.

For 15 quid a year get one that just works, and actually tells you something! Tomtom Go is streets ahead, and I have used Tomtom in various forms since 2004 when it was on a WinCE device

To be honest, you don't need to pay that much, (ie. zero) but if you are not cluey, even 15 quid a year is not a lot to have the best of all situations.
Edited by: "nihcaj" 20th Mar
Xippi19 m ago

Exactly this. I like the fact that it is designed to do a specific job, …Exactly this. I like the fact that it is designed to do a specific job, virtually a permanent feature in the car and pre-programmed with all my regular destinations. I like the screen size and layout, together with the fact that I can use it on the continent receiving live traffic updates as I do so. In short, I use a sat nav because it is my personal preference and I accept that others may have differing views which they are fully entitled to hold. Bit like marmite innit


Exactly what you can do with TomTOM Go, Navigon Navigator and any number of other apps, but a lot more too.
nihcaj21 m ago

Exactly what you can do with TomTOM Go, Navigon Navigator and any number …Exactly what you can do with TomTOM Go, Navigon Navigator and any number of other apps, but a lot more too.


And doing all of this will not use any of my phone battery or storage?
Edited by: "97browng" 20th Mar
And £15 a year is not correct. What about the upfront cost? I will need to get more storage on my phone so that is an additional cost, if I want to use it I will definitely need an in car charger, I will also then need a something to hold the phone in the car. Of course if I am using this I will certainly need a data connection.

And do you know what, not matter if my phone battery is dead, if my phone has been wiped or there is a problem with the app my Tomtom has always worked 100% of the time.

I don't think you are getting the best of all situations for £15 a year.

P.S. I am very 'cluey' hence why I have made the wise decision not to put all my eggs in one basket and stick with a SatNav and a phone.
michaeloswell4 h, 23 m ago

michaeloswell:Never buy a Tomtom, their customer support is non existent, …michaeloswell:Never buy a Tomtom, their customer support is non existent, the allow updates that brick devices and won't stand by them. AvoidAviod ConCon


So Damn True !! And their "Faster GPS response updates" actually slow down the GPS location service after your subscription ceases such that you miss the junctions etc. UK map update are also not correct some updates are still over 10yrs out of date.
97browng3 h, 45 m ago

I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some …I love reading the comments ever time a SatNav comes up on here. For some reason people who clearly have no need or want for the device decide the best thing to do is open the deal and comment on why they are not needed.My phone is wonderful and I often use Google Maps on it for directions. However I also still have a SatNav as I find it very useful for certain things Google Maps cannot do. For example when in an area without any signal my Google maps is no good unless I have already downloaded offline Maps. I tend not to do this because what is the point? I cant get live traffic updates so the benefit of using my phone is lost and it just takes up space and battery on my phone. Plus is requires forward planning.Also Google Maps is useless for finding alternate routes if there is a roadblock or closed road. Just google it and you will find it is a common complaint, even Waze is the same. On Tomtom just click roadblock ahead and then it will find a new route for you. Had this exact problem in January and had to get my Tomtom out because I had no signal on my phone and even with Google Offline Maps it was no use.Yes I know you can get other paid for applications that work better on a phone, but if I am paying for an app then what am I saving? I may as well get a dedicated system that works offline, needs no forward planning and does not use any data or battery on my phone which I can leave on the side.My Tomtom actually has live traffic updates anyway. For £33.52 why not get a fail safe system that will just work


You could just look at the screen and work out an alternative route around the road block.
If the traffic is that bad Google maps automatically works out a faster route and how much time it will save you. It will then ask if you want to take it.
All sat navs require a small amount of intelligence to use I'm afraid...I hope you're not the type of person that goes back and forward on the same 2 junctions when the motorway is closed because the sat nav is saying so.
Is this one got the latest map?
visitor3314 h, 0 m ago

don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get …don't forget that the regulations on mobile phones in the car will get more strict soon


Exactly why Google maps is the best on a half decent phone.
Google Voice recognition is second to none. I never have to touch my phone. Okay Google from anywhere including screen turned off and locked.
Even in my pocket...say where I want to go and it will start navigating and I will use with voice only directions through car speakers (Bluetooth)
Don't need addresses or postcodes.
Justsay the company name or contacts name.
Wife rings you on the way back from work to pick something up from Asda\Tesco? No problem. Okay Google add xyz to my shopping list and start navigating to Asda\Tesco.All without raising a finger with 99% Voice recognition accuracy
97browng2 h, 9 m ago

And £15 a year is not correct. What about the upfront cost? I will need to …And £15 a year is not correct. What about the upfront cost? I will need to get more storage on my phone so that is an additional cost, if I want to use it I will definitely need an in car charger, I will also then need a something to hold the phone in the car. Of course if I am using this I will certainly need a data connection.And do you know what, not matter if my phone battery is dead, if my phone has been wiped or there is a problem with the app my Tomtom has always worked 100% of the time.I don't think you are getting the best of all situations for £15 a year.P.S. I am very 'cluey' hence why I have made the wise decision not to put all my eggs in one basket and stick with a SatNav and a phone.


More storage on phone...Err no.
I have the whole of Birmingham,Coventry and surrounding areas and it is 79mb.

Needblarge data plan...err no.
I use Google Maps for work as a delivery driver for 8 hours a day. I use 25mb a day.

Car charger...yes. I thought every one had one (and a spare) anyway.

Why not have all your eggs in one basket? I have never been let down with my phone and Google Maps.

One thing I would change is the colour scheme to darker colours but that's personal preference.
Templar_10120th Mar

More storage on phone...Err no.I have the whole of Birmingham,Coventry and …More storage on phone...Err no.I have the whole of Birmingham,Coventry and surrounding areas and it is 79mb.Needblarge data plan...err no.I use Google Maps for work as a delivery driver for 8 hours a day. I use 25mb a day.Car charger...yes. I thought every one had one (and a spare) anyway.Why not have all your eggs in one basket? I have never been let down with my phone and Google Maps.One thing I would change is the colour scheme to darker colours but that's personal preference.



Templar_10120th Mar

You could just look at the screen and work out an alternative route around …You could just look at the screen and work out an alternative route around the road block.If the traffic is that bad Google maps automatically works out a faster route and how much time it will save you. It will then ask if you want to take it.All sat navs require a small amount of intelligence to use I'm afraid...I hope you're not the type of person that goes back and forward on the same 2 junctions when the motorway is closed because the sat nav is saying so.


What a rude and very silly thing to say, you have made several assumptions which are wrong. Your main flaw is that you assume everyone has exactly the same situation as you. Understanding that not everyone is the same requires the tiniest bit of intelligence, so let me educate you.

Point 1 - Of course I could look at the screen but unfortunately I was in the middle of rural Wales and did not have any signal so could not extend the map far enough to find an alternative. The traffic was not bad at all, I was the only car there. There we no suitable roads running parallel and all the google alternatives would just take me around and bring me to the exact same point where the block was.It turns out that the only way to get through was to make a massive 20 mile loop. To solve with Tomtom took about 10 seconds, with Google in my situation would have been impossible. Of course I could use a map but I had a Tomtom so didn't need to. I know its hard to imagine but I believe some people who drive in the UK go to places they have not been before and don't always drive on motorways, crazy I know.

Point 2 - Well done on what you have. Now can you confirm all 80+ Millions phones in the UK also have this space free? If not then some people (yes there are other people out there) might need extra storage on the phone. Great you have a few cities on your phone. I have the whole of Western Europe on my TomTom, how many MB would that be on Google Maps and could it possibly mean more people need storage?

Point 3 - You already said you use downloaded maps so you would use less data. However as I recall 25mb is more than nothing, you still need a data plan. Whats the cheapest data plan you can get for 100mb a month? Again I am sure you have a great data plan, but not everyone is you so not everyone will have a data plan. So there is a cost associated.

Point 4 - Unfortunately I have not spoken to everyone in the country so cannot confirm if they all have a charger (and spare) in the car. I am glad that you have done this and can confirm it is the case. However even though it is the case, they will cost something to buy originally.

Point 5 - Nearly everything you have said assumes that everyone has a decent smart phone. Again I was under the assumption this was not the case and that you had to pay something to get one.

So why not put your eggs in one basket? Well It has failed me on several occasions and I was lucky enough to have an alternative. I am sure the others are the same. I know its unimaginable that anyone may ever have a problem with using Google Maps because you have not, but I think it is certainly possible.

It seems my original comment is correct. People with no use or want for one giving their useless opinion on why nobody could ever need one. You have an option that works for you in a very specific situation so everyone else must be stupid for not agreeing. I hope you wont take offence if I don't take lessons from a highly educated delivery driver will you.
97browng4 m ago

What a rude and very silly thing to say, you have made several assumptions …What a rude and very silly thing to say, you have made several assumptions which are wrong. Your main flaw is that you assume everyone has exactly the same situation as you. Understanding that not everyone is the same requires the tiniest bit of intelligence, so let me educate you.Point 1 - Of course I could look at the screen but unfortunately I was in the middle of rural Wales and did not have any signal so could not extend the map far enough to find an alternative. The traffic was not bad at all, I was the only car there. There we no suitable roads running parallel and all the google alternatives would just take me around and bring me to the exact same point where the block was.It turns out that the only way to get through was to make a massive 20 mile loop. To solve with Tomtom took about 10 seconds, with Google in my situation would have been impossible. Of course I could use a map but I had a Tomtom so didn't need to. I know its hard to imagine but I believe some people who drive in the UK go to places they have not been before and don't always drive on motorways, crazy I know. Point 2 - Well done on what you have. Now can you confirm all 80+ Millions phones in the UK also have this space free? If not then some people (yes there are other people out there) might need extra storage on the phone. Great you have a few cities on your phone. I have the whole of Western Europe on my TomTom, how many MB would that be on Google Maps and could it possibly mean more people need storage? Point 3 - You already said you use downloaded maps so you would use less data. However as I recall 25mb is more than nothing, you still need a data plan. Whats the cheapest data plan you can get for 100mb a month? Again I am sure you have a great data plan, but not everyone is you so not everyone will have a data plan. So there is a cost associated.Point 4 - Unfortunately I have not spoken to everyone in the country so cannot confirm if they all have a charger (and spare) in the car. I am glad that you have done this and can confirm it is the case. However even though it is the case, they will cost something to buy originally.Point 5 - Nearly everything you have said assumes that everyone has a decent smart phone. Again I was under the assumption this was not the case and that you had to pay something to get one. So why not put your eggs in one basket? Well It has failed me on several occasions and I was lucky enough to have an alternative. I am sure the others are the same. I know its unimaginable that anyone may ever have a problem with using Google Maps because you have not, but I think it is certainly possible.It seems my original comment is correct. People with no use or want for one giving their useless opinion on why nobody could ever need one. You have an option that works for you in a very specific situation so everyone else must be stupid for not agreeing. I hope you wont take offence if I don't take lessons from a highly educated delivery driver will you.


Is that a question?
Templar_10120th Mar

Is that a question?


A statement.

And I just looked. With Google Maps to download the largest section of map you can for offline use is 860mb. This covers about a quarter of the UK.
97browng15 m ago

What a rude and very silly thing to say, you have made several assumptions …What a rude and very silly thing to say, you have made several assumptions which are wrong. Your main flaw is that you assume everyone has exactly the same situation as you. Understanding that not everyone is the same requires the tiniest bit of intelligence, so let me educate you.Point 1 - Of course I could look at the screen but unfortunately I was in the middle of rural Wales and did not have any signal so could not extend the map far enough to find an alternative. The traffic was not bad at all, I was the only car there. There we no suitable roads running parallel and all the google alternatives would just take me around and bring me to the exact same point where the block was.It turns out that the only way to get through was to make a massive 20 mile loop. To solve with Tomtom took about 10 seconds, with Google in my situation would have been impossible. Of course I could use a map but I had a Tomtom so didn't need to. I know its hard to imagine but I believe some people who drive in the UK go to places they have not been before and don't always drive on motorways, crazy I know. Point 2 - Well done on what you have. Now can you confirm all 80+ Millions phones in the UK also have this space free? If not then some people (yes there are other people out there) might need extra storage on the phone. Great you have a few cities on your phone. I have the whole of Western Europe on my TomTom, how many MB would that be on Google Maps and could it possibly mean more people need storage? Point 3 - You already said you use downloaded maps so you would use less data. However as I recall 25mb is more than nothing, you still need a data plan. Whats the cheapest data plan you can get for 100mb a month? Again I am sure you have a great data plan, but not everyone is you so not everyone will have a data plan. So there is a cost associated.Point 4 - Unfortunately I have not spoken to everyone in the country so cannot confirm if they all have a charger (and spare) in the car. I am glad that you have done this and can confirm it is the case. However even though it is the case, they will cost something to buy originally.Point 5 - Nearly everything you have said assumes that everyone has a decent smart phone. Again I was under the assumption this was not the case and that you had to pay something to get one. So why not put your eggs in one basket? Well It has failed me on several occasions and I was lucky enough to have an alternative. I am sure the others are the same. I know its unimaginable that anyone may ever have a problem with using Google Maps because you have not, but I think it is certainly possible.It seems my original comment is correct. People with no use or want for one giving their useless opinion on why nobody could ever need one. You have an option that works for you in a very specific situation so everyone else must be stupid for not agreeing. I hope you wont take offence if I don't take lessons from a highly educated delivery driver will you.


You don't want to use phone battery, don't want to buy a poundland car charger and don't want to buy a small data package...my assumptions about you were incorrect.

I apologize..stick to your TomTom.
Edited by: "Templar_101" 20th Mar
Templar_10120th Mar

You don't want to use phone battery, don't want to buy a poundland car …You don't want to use phone battery, don't want to buy a poundland car charger and don't want to buy a small data package...my assumptions about you were incorrect.i apologize..stick to your TomTom


Again you are making the wrong assumptions, will you ever learn

I didn't say those things.

I have a very nice phone with a 12GB data package (plenty for me). I have a very nice car charger (would not use one from Poundland, I am not that stupid) with a good quality lead that I use to keep my phone fully charged. I place this on my magnetic phone holder and use it often with Google maps and Google Voice and it works great for me most of time. And when I am using it for familiar areas and just want traffic updates I exclusivity use that.

However as I said, I am not everyone and I don't always do the same thing and I am not always in the same situation. For this reason I also on occasions use a TomTom.

I can also see why other people may want a Tomtom. My parents are the perfect example. They don't have a smartphone and find the TomTom easier and more convenient to use.
Oos. None coming up for that price on the link.

Last time I looked most towns and villages in the UK have not moved. My navi is way out of date for maps and I still use it, in conjunction with what we used to use before satnavs, our eyes, and read the signs.

If the Police see you even touching your phone, they can nab you while driving. It is no good saying you we're using wase or Google maps.

It is a bit like camcorders, a phone does the same job nowadays, but some people prefer both.
Edited by: "Proveright" 20th Mar
97browng12 m ago

Again you are making the wrong assumptions, will you ever learn I …Again you are making the wrong assumptions, will you ever learn I didn't say those things. I have a very nice phone with a 12GB data package (plenty for me). I have a very nice car charger (would not use one from Poundland, I am not that stupid) with a good quality lead that I use to keep my phone fully charged. I place this on my magnetic phone holder and use it often with Google maps and Google Voice and it works great for me most of time. And when I am using it for familiar areas and just want traffic updates I exclusivity use that.However as I said, I am not everyone and I don't always do the same thing and I am not always in the same situation. For this reason I also on occasions use a TomTom. I can also see why other people may want a Tomtom. My parents are the perfect example. They don't have a smartphone and find the TomTom easier and more convenient to use.


All the people who buy chargers from Poundland are stupid?

I agree your parents are the perfect example of someone who needs a TomTom....someone who doesn't have a smartphone.
Edited by: "Templar_101" 20th Mar
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