Verbatim 43812 BD-R SL 25GB Datalife 6x Inkjet Printable (Pack of 50) - £22.95 @ Amazon
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Verbatim 43812 BD-R SL 25GB Datalife 6x Inkjet Printable (Pack of 50) - £22.95 @ Amazon

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Found 15th Mar 2015
Cheapest ever! 45p per disc, 25GB of storage!! Ideal for historical archiving of data amongst other uses. Cheaper than a external hard drive and more reliable. I learnt the hard way!

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Original Poster

A tip that will save a lot of headacheI backed up some data onto a BDR a few years ago (back when these discs were expensive) and recently discovered that simply copy and pasting the whole data BDR disc back on to my hard drive was very stressful on the lazer of my Pioneer BDR 209 drive. Plus it took AGES. The quickest and most reliable method by far was to download Magic ISO, turn the whole disc in to an .iso image on my PC hard drive and then just extract the .iso image on to my PC using WinRAR. A whole 25GB of data that you backed up can be back on your computer in less than an hour via this method !! your welcome

christ on a cracker that's cheap ..

Can certainly recommend these particular discs from my own experiences, haven't had a single failure in about 25 so far, and playback has been flawless. Would always suggest burning at the slowest speeds supported by your disc and burner, though can't say with any scientific proof how valid that is these days.

Can also vouch for the Japanese Verbatim/Mitsubishi 50GB DL BD-Rs/BD-REs, if you need the larger discs, despite the price, again had no failures with those.

£19.60 at Ebuyer for a 50 pack (+ whatever the delivery charge maybe) these may not be printable either but the manufacture Id is the same.

Edit £4.18 cheapest delivery so £23.78 for 50 but if you order more 2,3 then 100 becomes £43.38 delivered as opposed to Amazon £45.90 add 4 and delivery is free
Edited by: "dontasciime" 15th Mar 2015

HOT - Thanks OP just ordered with free supersaver delivery.

Does anyone know if these are LTH or HTL disks. Always been told to stay away from LTH do not know why though.

rav4cas

Does anyone know if these are LTH or HTL disks. Always been told to stay … Does anyone know if these are LTH or HTL disks. Always been told to stay away from LTH do not know why though.



myce.com/new…65/

blu-raydisc.info/lic…php

redcorp.com/en/…spx
Edited by: "dontasciime" 15th Mar 2015

dontasciime

http://www.myce.com/news/french-research-avoid-blu-ray-lth-discs-for-data-archival-64265/



Thanks now I understand. But are these ones HTL, looking at your link to redcorp it looks like they are.
Cheers for all the info, will order a pack.
Edited by: "rav4cas" 15th Mar 2015

It looks like they are HTL. LTH BDRs here with LTH written on packaging.

I found these ones on amazon Verbatim 43813 BD-R - 50 25GB Wide Printable Blu-ray that are marked as LTH and are £19.99 for 50. Because these ones are dearer I guess they are HTL.

amazon.co.uk/Ver…CAR

Just be aware that these are CMC Magnetics discs (CMCMAG-BA5-000) so Verbatim in label only.

They're okay, not high quality by any means but for the money they're fine. They are HTL for sure.

Pidata AAA-CMC 50-spindle are £20.94 on Amazon currently and I would put them in a similar quality bracket.
Edited by: "voodooboard" 15th Mar 2015

this adds up to 1250GB, add another £10 and you can get a 1TB hard drive. not 1250GB but close enough. It doesn't seem worth the hassle of keeping so many disks when you can have all your data in one place?!?! ...but i could be wrong, could someone enlighten me why this method of data storing is better?

davidandrewdavid

this adds up to 1250GB, add another £10 and you can get a 1TB hard drive. … this adds up to 1250GB, add another £10 and you can get a 1TB hard drive. not 1250GB but close enough. It doesn't seem worth the hassle of keeping so many disks when you can have all your data in one place?!?! ...but i could be wrong, could someone enlighten me why this method of data storing is better?


Better with discs. If a blue ray disc fails you loose only 25gb. The rest of the backup of 975gb is ok. When the hard drive dies and you have not backed it up in anyway, it's gone. Even with cloud based option you could loose the data if the company has tech or money problems.
With a blue ray disc you have a personal copy.

davidandrewdavid

this adds up to 1250GB, add another £10 and you can get a 1TB hard drive. … this adds up to 1250GB, add another £10 and you can get a 1TB hard drive. not 1250GB but close enough. It doesn't seem worth the hassle of keeping so many disks when you can have all your data in one place?!?! ...but i could be wrong, could someone enlighten me why this method of data storing is better?


Optical and HDD are totally different media. There are hundreds of reasons why you might choose one over the other (or in conjuction with).

If you don't know of any reasons personally to use optical media then the obvious thing is not to buy them.

Have DVDs and CDs failing after a few years can't see these being any different might be wrong.

One of the reviews not very flattering states their HTL ... I usually buy the Verbatim LTH type, but thought I would buy these....and I regret it. After burning, I get a strange timeout message and all the discs freeze at various points during playback. I reverted back to the LTH type and have had no problems, so it must be these discs....will not buy again!
Edited by: "morrig" 15th Mar 2015

voodooboard

Optical and HDD are totally different media. There are hundreds of … Optical and HDD are totally different media. There are hundreds of reasons why you might choose one over the other (or in conjuction with).If you don't know of any reasons personally to use optical media then the obvious thing is not to buy them.


Im obviously not going to buy something without knowing what use/advantage it has over alternatives, which is why i asked "why this method of storing is better?". you say there are a hundreds of reasons yet you don't give me one.

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davidandrewdavid

Im obviously not going to buy something without knowing what … Im obviously not going to buy something without knowing what use/advantage it has over alternatives, which is why i asked "why this method of storing is better?". you say there are a hundreds of reasons yet you don't give me one.



I specifically buy these for business use.

When I film a promotional video or an event for a client, I back up to my PC's internal hard drive, an external hard drive and then these 25GB BDR discs which I keep in a fire proof safe. So I have three back ups. Should my luck be so bad and all of my hard drives fail I know atleast I still have the raw footage that I can work on.

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InAFalsetto

I specifically buy these for business use.When I film a promotional video … I specifically buy these for business use.When I film a promotional video or an event for a client, I back up to my PC's internal hard drive, an external hard drive and then these 25GB BDR discs which I keep in a fire proof safe. So I have three back ups. Should my luck be so bad and all of my hard drives fail I know atleast I still have the raw footage that I can work on.



Ah thanks for the explanation, so do the disks have a less chance of failing compared to external hard drives then?

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davidandrewdavid

CommentAh thanks for the explanation, so do the disks have a less chance … CommentAh thanks for the explanation, so do the disks have a less chance of failing compared to external hard drives then?


If you just back up and store them away you will have no problems. I still have MP3S from 16 years ago back when Napster came out that I backed up on to cheap Memorex CDRS in High School. The dye on Bluray is much better now than ever and discs are only getting better so you can always do a disc to disc copy again in 5 years if that makes you feel more comfortable.

Original Poster

And just to give you an idea of the reliability of hard drives. 2 years ago I had a brand new Seagate 3TB fail on me. And this year a brand new Western Digital 2TB portable failed on me within 3 weeks. Hard drives unless in RAID format are not permanent archive solutions. But if you're going RAID and building a server you need ££££

InAFalsetto

And just to give you an idea of the reliability of hard drives. 2 years … And just to give you an idea of the reliability of hard drives. 2 years ago I had a brand new Seagate 3TB fail on me. And this year a brand new Western Digital 2TB portable failed on me within 3 weeks. Hard drives unless in RAID format are not permanent archive solutions. But if you're going RAID and building a server you need ££££


bad run of luck there buddy!
i have an old seagate 320gb desktop hd and it must be at least 10 years old.
its never failed me yet.i used it for back ups of photos but most of these are backed up in clouds..
just store the odd bits on it but its still kicking!

rav4cas

Does anyone know if these are LTH or HTL disks. Always been told to stay … Does anyone know if these are LTH or HTL disks. Always been told to stay away from LTH do not know why though.


When LTH actually work, they're a lovely copy. I had JVC Taiyo Yuden LTH. I had a 70% failure rate. Avoid like the plague.

InAFalsetto

And just to give you an idea of the reliability of hard drives. 2 years … And just to give you an idea of the reliability of hard drives. 2 years ago I had a brand new Seagate 3TB fail on me. And this year a brand new Western Digital 2TB portable failed on me within 3 weeks. Hard drives unless in RAID format are not permanent archive solutions. But if you're going RAID and building a server you need ££££



RAID is neither a permanent archive solution or a backup solution. It's redundancy > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(engineering)

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fishmaster

RAID is neither a permanent archive solution or a backup solution. It's … RAID is neither a permanent archive solution or a backup solution. It's redundancy >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(engineering)



You're right, but for some one like me it would be ideal as I simply need to keep hold off footage until I have delivered the final edited product and have received the thumbs up from the client saying that they're happy. Then I am not too fussed whether or not I have the originals.

But BDR's have solved that problem and I don't mind keeping RAW backed up on discs.

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justabout72

bad run of luck there buddy!i have an old seagate 320gb desktop hd and it … bad run of luck there buddy!i have an old seagate 320gb desktop hd and it must be at least 10 years old.its never failed me yet.i used it for back ups of photos but most of these are backed up in clouds..just store the odd bits on it but its still kicking!



Could be.

Then again I was using the drives intensively. We are talking 4K and 1080p footage. Gigabytes of video data being transferred in and out of the drives. Rather than megabytes worth of photographs.

Both my drives died from the dreaded clicking sound death. Where they refuse to spin and work.

InAFalsetto

recently discovered that simply copy and pasting the whole data BDR disc … recently discovered that simply copy and pasting the whole data BDR disc back on to my hard drive was very stressful on the laser of my Pioneer BDR 209 drive. Plus it took AGES. The quickest and most reliable method by far was to download Magic ISO


... or better still use ImgBurn since it's free (unlike Magic ISO).

Click the "Output Mode" button to switch between burning the data directly to disc or creating an ISO.

http://a.pomf.se/wrxngx.png

forum.imgburn.com/ind…de/

aceuk

... or better still use ImgBurn since it's free (unlike Magic ISO).Click … ... or better still use ImgBurn since it's free (unlike Magic ISO).Click the "Output Mode" button to switch between burning the data directly to disc or creating an ISO.http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/1779-imgburn-build-mode/



Yeah. Build mode is what you want
Edited by: "dontasciime" 16th Mar 2015

I was backing up my video and photo creative projects to these on my Mac, but as the sizes of projects increased beyond single blurry disks I switched to getting hard drives to archive them onto. The drive is only going to be used once to copy onto in one go, and then be stashed away as a one-time backup. If I see a clearance 500GB-ish drives at a ludicrous price, I grab it as it’ll work out cheaper than this, but easier for me to use without chopping my art into pieces (which sometimes can’t be easily done).

Is there any difference between the product indicated in this post, and ASIN B00LP8Q6OK ?

InAFalsetto

A tip that will save a lot of headacheI backed up some data onto a BDR a … A tip that will save a lot of headacheI backed up some data onto a BDR a few years ago (back when these discs were expensive) and recently discovered that simply copy and pasting the whole data BDR disc back on to my hard drive was very stressful on the lazer of my Pioneer BDR 209 drive. Plus it took AGES. The quickest and most reliable method by far was to download Magic ISO, turn the whole disc in to an .iso image on my PC hard drive and then just extract the .iso image on to my PC using WinRAR. A whole 25GB of data that you backed up can be back on your computer in less than an hour via this method !! your welcome



You can achieve the same effect by using tools that were designed for this purpose in the first place. Archive your files that you want to backup by zipping them (or RAR, 7z or whatever your favourite archiving format is), then write them to disc. Then you also benefit from file compression.

This achieves the same effect as the ISO method, but is better as you don't need to write an absolute ton of files to the disc in the first place - just one big stream of data that is one file, it really is far more efficient for optical media. This applies to all optical media, not just BD, though the benefit will be much clearer the bigger the stuff you're storing.

u0421793

Is there any difference between the product indicated in this post, and … Is there any difference between the product indicated in this post, and ASIN B00LP8Q6OK ?



Those are LTH

dontasciime

Those are LTH



In reference to this here is the description of the various Blu ray media and explains what LTH is >

verbatim.com/sub…ay/
Edited by: "fishmaster" 16th Mar 2015

^ I thought I had already posted LTH explanation links
Edited by: "dontasciime" 16th Mar 2015

How long will these still be readable? Is it even possible to know if data recorded on these will still be readable 10 years down the line? Genuine question.

Gruffer

How long will these still be readable? Is it even possible to know if … How long will these still be readable? Is it even possible to know if data recorded on these will still be readable 10 years down the line? Genuine question.


BD-R HTL uses an inorganic metallic data layer (instead of an organic dye) specifically for stability and longevity reasons.

In theory, they should last a long time, much longer than LTH. Decades. But badly made or low quality discs could degrade quickly no matter whether HTL or LTH.

I perform disc quality scans on a sample of discs from every spindle I burn, then I revisit them on a yearly basis to check for degredation. It takes some effort, cataloging your burns properly etc. But if you are serious about knowing the answer to your question, it's necessary.

By monitoring the error rates you will hopefully spot a bad disc (or bad batch/brand) long before they actually becomes unreadable.

Original Poster

Voodoo is conducting proper tests. Where as I would just duplicate the discs every 5 years for peace of mind.
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