Verenti Sense Dura Ace (rebadged Ridley Helium) road bike - £1500 @ Wiggle
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Verenti Sense Dura Ace (rebadged Ridley Helium) road bike - £1500 @ Wiggle

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Found 12th Sep 2013
This looks like a stonking deal.

Verenti are Ridley bikes rebadged for Wiggle. This is the Ridley Helium frame (not the pro, SL version), which has an RRP of £1700+ on its own. Integrated seatpost that Wiggle will cut to size for you before delivery if you already know your measurements. In matt black, which I like.

Comes with mostly (mechanical 7900 series) Dura Ace kit - levers, derailleurs, brakes and a Rotor 3D chainset.

OK looking 4ZA (Ridley own brand?) finishing kit.

The wheels are just Fulcrum Racing 7s (decent enough £150ish wheels, but quite heavy and not really up to the rest of the spec). I'll be using my Shimano RS80 C24's (still available for £299 from Ribble) and will probably flog the Fulcrums (I don't need another spare set).

Edit: - Don't forget 2% Quidco or TCB

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Original Poster

Full spec:
A premium race bike for discerning, high mileage road cyclists. With an ultra-light carbon frame and components from the top-level Shimano Dura Ace groupset, The Verenti Sense offers true race ready performance for club veterans and newcomers alike.

Top Features of the Verenti Sense Dura Ace 2013
Ultra light carbon frame with integrated seatpost
Flex seat stays for vibration absorption and increased comfort on rough roads and pave courses
Shimano Dura Ace groupset components for the finest in shifting and braking performance
Beautiful carbon finish with subtle understated decals
Pro level performance for dedicated club and racing cyclists
Road
Frame Material: Carbon
Wheel Size: 700c (622)
Fork Material: Carbon
Model Year: 2013
Brake Type: Caliper
Chainset type: Compact
Groupset Manufacturer: Shimano
Unisex
Cable Routing: External
The Verenti sense was built to offer the highest levels of performance and comfort to racing cyclists, club riders and sportive entrants. The lightweight carbon frame, top-end Dura Ace groupset and premium finishing kit combine for a single purpose; to help you ride further and faster.

Verenti Sense Frame and Fork
The Sense is designed for the optimum combination of weight, stiffness, balance and comfort. The frame features flex seat stays for vibration absorption and small bump compliance, essential for comfort on frost damaged roads and pave sections. The Integrated seat post coupled with carbon rear dropouts and a full carbon head tube offer a significant weight saving for enhanced efficiency and climbing ability. A hollow bottom bracket increases lateral stiffness for maximum power transfer on sprints and hard efforts.

Shimano Dura Ace Groupset
The Verenti Sense benefits from top-level Shimano Dura Ace groupset components for precision shifting and braking performance at a race-ready weight. Dura Ace Levers/Shifters feature sleek ergonomic hoods for comfortable hand positioning, a silky smooth action and a shorter stroke resulting in reduced shifting effort for greater longevity on the roads. The Derailleurs offer precise, instant and effortless shifting across the entire range and the dual pivot brake callipers provide outstanding modulation and control.

Rotor 3D Chainset
Aside from its stunning looks, the Rotor 3D chainset offers incredible stiffness and strength, ensuring every watt of your pedalling energy is transferred to the tarmac. The compact 50 – 34 tooth configuration combined with a 12 – 28 tooth wide range cassette equips you with all the ratios you need for both flat-out speed work and steep alpine climbs.

Wheels and Finishing Kit
Fulcrum Racing 7 wheels with Continental Ultra tyres provide reactive acceleration, ample traction and stability in the corners, ideal for trading pulls at the front of the pack or tackling a tricky technical descent.
High quality 4ZA finishing components are provided throughout, from the seat post and handle bars right down to the bar tape for complete comfort and reliability out on the roads.


Note: Manufacturer may reserve the right to change the specification of that listed or shown on this page.

Specification information
Verenti Sense Dura Ace Specification
Frame
Model Year 2013
Material Uni-Directional Carbon
Weight
X Small - 1180g
Small - 1210g
Medium - 1250g
Large - 1290g
Extra Large - 1330g
Cable Routing External
Bottle Cage Mounts Double
Front Derailleur Mount Braze on front derailleur with clamp
Dropouts Replaceable forged aluminium rear dropout and derailleur hanger
Please Note: The weights listed for the frame and fork include a painted finish and can vary ±10%
Fork
Legs Uni-Directional Carbon
Steerer Carbon - 1 1/8 - 1 1/2 Taper
Weight 386g
Wheelset
Fulcrum Racing 7, clincher
Groupset
Speed 20
Brake Levers/Shifters Shimano Dura Ace 20 Speed
Chainset Rotor 3D Compact, 50x34
Bottom Bracket BSA 68mm, external cups
Front Derailleur Shimano Dura Ace
Rear Derailleur Shimano Dura Ace
Brake Calipers Shimano Dura Ace, cartridge type rubber insert
Chain KMC 10 speed
Cassette Shimano 10 speed 12-28 tooth
Finishing Kit
Handle Bar 4ZA Cirrus Alloy, Black, 31.8mm
Bar Tape 4ZA Stratos, Black
Stem 4ZA Cirrus Alloy, Black
Seat Post Integrated Seatpost - 60mm Maximum cut-off
Saddle 4ZA Cirrus, Black
Tyres Continental Ultra, 700 x 25c
Pedals
Supplied with basic flat pedals, Wiggle recommend using dedicated clip-in pedals and shoes
Warranty
3 year frame warranty, 12 month parts warranty

Original Poster

For comparison, this looks like essentially the same bike, but with a different wheelset and is retailing at £3969!

http://www.ridleybikeshop.co.uk/epa…%22

Very good spec for the money, a new set of wheels would be in order though to compliment the rest of the quality.

yer great bike, and great set. for great price. I saw this like 2 months ago.....got this saved on my browser at the top along with wiggle.co.uk/mos…13/

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MikeUnited007

yer great bike, and great set. for great price. I saw this like 2 months … yer great bike, and great set. for great price. I saw this like 2 months ago.....got this saved on my browser at the top along with http://www.wiggle.co.uk/moser-bikes-111-ultegra-2013/


Lol, I've been the same - umming and ahhing for the past few weeks about whether or not to treat myself. Finally decided to pull the trigger today!

beardyweirdy

Lol, I've been the same - umming and ahhing for the past few weeks about … Lol, I've been the same - umming and ahhing for the past few weeks about whether or not to treat myself. Finally decided to pull the trigger today!



Thank god.

Think it´s a rebranded Ridley Damocles

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Fytricsweden

Think it´s a rebranded Ridley Damocles


I saw a post on a forum somewhere suggesting that, but I'm pretty certain that it's the helium. Check out the geometry, weight etc in the 'passport' on the Ridley site - it's identical to the spec given on Wiggle for the Verenti Sense.
content.ridley-bikes.com/bik…pdf
Damocles is slightly different on a few of the measurements, also looks different (e.g. the seat stays are thicker and flare out more)
Edited by: "beardyweirdy" 12th Sep 2013

interesting that these are made by Ridley. bit like how the Triban is made by Dedacciai and Planet X titanium is made by van Nicholas. are there any websites you guys know of that show which frames are actually rebadged frames of the same manufacturer?

Original Poster

Judosteffer

interesting that these are made by Ridley. bit like how the Triban is … interesting that these are made by Ridley. bit like how the Triban is made by Dedacciai and Planet X titanium is made by van Nicholas. are there any websites you guys know of that show which frames are actually rebadged frames of the same manufacturer?



I don't know of a site that lists them all.
Ribble's carbon frames are Dedacciai apparently.

Interestingly, it seems that for actual manufacturing, most carbon frames are actually made (although not designed) in the same few factories.
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Looks like a good deal although the paint job isn't as nice as the Ridley Helium! Do you know how heavy the bike is? It isn't stated.

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coleaj

Looks like a good deal although the paint job isn't as nice as the Ridley … Looks like a good deal although the paint job isn't as nice as the Ridley Helium! Do you know how heavy the bike is? It isn't stated.


Not sure tbh. Going by other sites with the helium, I'm guessing somewhere between 7.5 - 8kg with these wheels on. Should get it down half a kg with some decent mid range wheels on. Mine's due for delivery in Monday, I'll weigh it when it comes and let you know.

Original Poster

coleaj

Looks like a good deal although the paint job isn't as nice as the Ridley … Looks like a good deal although the paint job isn't as nice as the Ridley Helium! Do you know how heavy the bike is? It isn't stated.


Picked up the bike yesterday evening.

I've got the extra small size (sizing is a bit weird on these bikes, I'm just under 5'8" which is shortish, but I've never been extra small in anything before!) and it weighs in at 7.8kg as supplied (without pedals fitted).
Sticking my wheels on (Shimano RS80 C24's) it comes down to 7.3kg. These weights aren't the most accurate (just me stood on the bathroom scales holding the bike!) but should give a rough idea.

I'm a bit annoyed that Wiggle haven't cut down the seatpost for me even though I'd asked them to, but overall the bike looks sweet. Just can't take it for a spin to test it properly until I get the time and courage to cut the seatpost down!

Thanks for your feedback.

The stated weight for the R580 C24s is 1521g whereas the supplied Fulcrum Racing 7's is 1840g, .i.e 0.319Kg difference, so unless there is something else thrown into the equation I guess your bathroom scales don't give an amazing resolution (which isn't suprising!). - 7.8Kg down to 7.3 Kg.

Let me know how it rides....

Original Poster

coleaj

Thanks for your feedback.The stated weight for the R580 C24s is 1521g … Thanks for your feedback.The stated weight for the R580 C24s is 1521g whereas the supplied Fulcrum Racing 7's is 1840g, .i.e 0.319Kg difference, so unless there is something else thrown into the equation I guess your bathroom scales don't give an amazing resolution (which isn't suprising!). - 7.8Kg down to 7.3 Kg.Let me know how it rides....



Some of the extra difference is probably down to the tyres and tubes, and the new bike came with a Tiagra cassette (a bit stingy that!) versus the 105 cassette on my wheels. But my scales are probably the biggest factor.

I'll keep you posted.

What's the paint job like? And was Wiggle's sizing chart correct? I am 5" 8' with an inside leg of 31' so would probably go for a small according to the Wiggle chart.

have you ridden the bike yet? What is your verdict?

I'v been riding Verenti Sense for a month now. Swapped the wheels for Campagnolo Zonda immediately. It's an amazing bike, very stiff, comfortable and reasonably light. I don't think you can find something better for that price, considering Dura Ace and Rotor 3D components!

Original Poster

Sorry I've not replied sooner. Been v.busy and had a bit of a mare of a time with Wiggle, thankfully all sorted now.
I contacted Wiggle about 2 things:
- firstly that the seatpost hadn't been cut as I'd asked (and is clearly offered on their website)
- secondly that my bike frame is labelled as the 'Insight' rather than the 'Sense'.

From what I can tell, the two frames are essentially the same, but the Sense has a full carbon fork, whereas the Insight has an alloy steerer which adds a couple of hundred grams. Mine is actually the Sense (I've since checked the fork and it is all carbon), but has been wrongly stickered at the factory.

The lack of a phone number on their site means you have to do everything via email, and it's sluggish to say the least (typically it was 2-3 days between each reply from them, sometimes I was getting no reply at all). Eventually they agreed to swapping the bike, but then the final one in my size got bought by another customer and allocated to them.

After much more chasing and harrassing their twitter staff (who are more responsive, but can only prod the right people on your behalf) I eventually got a phone call on Thursday.

They offered me an alternative bike (the Ridley Damocles) made up with the same components. However he confirmed that the Verenti Sense IS the Ridley Helium frame and therefore a 'better' frame. He then offered me refund of £150 (to make up for the two points above) if I kept this bike which I accepted and am happy with.

I've now cut the seatpost down - I used a carbide blade tile saw (I read that tip somewhere on-line and it seemed to be ideal). I took my time, made sure there was a rag in the seatpost to collect swarf, wrapped the saw line in masking tape and used the included guide. A nervous ten minutes, but straightforward and a good clean cut.

Only taken it for a spin around the block so far, but feels very nice on first impressions. Front shift on Dura Ace is an obvious noticeable improvement from my previous 105 bike. I'm planning on taking it out for a quick 20 mile shakedown later today and if everything's ok for a proper ride tomorrow morning.

One last thing is that I've realised that they've fitted a 90mm stem (the description says the XS should come with a 100mm one). It's too short, so I've emailed to ask for a replacement. Who knows if I'll hear back?

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Back from the shakedown ride and I'm very impressed. It sailed up a couple of short (<1 mile) but quite steep (~8% average) hills and felt nicely balanced and firmly planted on the way down. Overall it seems very comfy with very little road buzz coming through the frame. The supplied stem is definitely too short (I've just stuck the 100mm one from my other bike on and the fit feels much better). The saddle's light, but whilst it might just be because its new/different it didn't feel the most comfortable, and is covered in quite a slippy material so you don't get the same grip. But they're easily swapped out.

As a step up from the 105 groupset on my other bike, Dura Ace isn't dramatically different in feel (although it is quite a bit lighter over all). But this is because 105 is pretty good and has benefited from Shimano's 'trickle down' approach. Gear changes do feel that bit more positive and precise though, and the braking seems to be more graded and modular (although this could well be down to the pads - I've got salmon koolstops on my other bike and whilst they're very powerful and grippy, they can be a bit 'either on or off' and grabby as a result.

Overall, I'm very pleased and really looking forward to doing some longer rides on it.

Glad your enjoying your bike guys. I am still mulling this over. Holding out ( perhaps wrongly ) for another couple of hundred quid being shaved off.
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