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Just bought Viessmann 29kw combi boiler for cheapest ever!!!
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You will need a flue for this boiler depending where boiler is going.
All available from city plumbing for best price.
If boiler is installed by Viessmann approved fitter it comes with 7 years guarantee, it has to be serviced every year.
Standard warranty is 3 years.
Heating output is 29kw
Hot water flow rate is 12 litres per minute, but that depend on your cold water pressure/flow
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What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.

I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.
Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.
Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.

So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.
The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.

Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?
This is all non-sense.
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
jrw17/07/2019 12:59

There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke …There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke grenade in the flu to check its clear. I can do that myself. It is nothing like a car, a boiler doesn't have any moving friction parts or fluids to change.


you don't know what you talking about mate
elisadia17/07/2019 12:28

Yes you are right that servicing is additional cost , hence it’s up to you …Yes you are right that servicing is additional cost , hence it’s up to you if you sign for it, hence it’s not added to total cost. Same apply to cars you don’t need to go for a service, but then it might stop when you least want it to stop...It’s slightly different to TV and laptops as there are lots of things that can go wrong with boilers and then it’s gas appliance so it should be looked after for your peace and gas engineers profits.



What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not need servicing every year.
Did you service a boiler every year in the 1980s? Of course not.

This is a con to avoid warranty claims as most people do not service their boilers every year.

Change it to 1 year warranty. Only the first year is cost free.

"But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot water

Even a serviced boiler can break down. Some houses have a electric back up for heating and water!
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:32

What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not …What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not need servicing every year.Did you service a boiler every year in the 1980s? Of course not.This is a con to avoid warranty claims as most people do not service their boilers every year.Change it to 1 year warranty. Only the first year is cost free."But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot waterEven a serviced boiler can break down. Some houses have a electric back up for heating and water!


A boiler from 1980 was very different to a modern condensing boiler so they are no way comparable !
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What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.

I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.
Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.
Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.

So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.
The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.

Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?
This is all non-sense.
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:21

What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty …What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?This is all non-sense.


I see why you opted for said user name
Yes you are right that servicing is additional cost , hence it’s up to you if you sign for it, hence it’s not added to total cost. Same apply to cars you don’t need to go for a service, but then it might stop when you least want it to stop...
It’s slightly different to TV and laptops as there are lots of things that can go wrong with boilers and then it’s gas appliance so it should be looked after for your peace and gas engineers profits.
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:21

What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty …What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?This is all non-sense.


Unfortunately all boilers need to be serviced every year to uphold their warranty otherwise its void. It keeps all the plumbers in business and less crap for manufacturers. But guess who has to pay for it all! 😏
But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot water
Edited by: "The_Guru" 17th Jul
elisadia17/07/2019 12:28

Yes you are right that servicing is additional cost , hence it’s up to you …Yes you are right that servicing is additional cost , hence it’s up to you if you sign for it, hence it’s not added to total cost. Same apply to cars you don’t need to go for a service, but then it might stop when you least want it to stop...It’s slightly different to TV and laptops as there are lots of things that can go wrong with boilers and then it’s gas appliance so it should be looked after for your peace and gas engineers profits.



What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not need servicing every year.
Did you service a boiler every year in the 1980s? Of course not.

This is a con to avoid warranty claims as most people do not service their boilers every year.

Change it to 1 year warranty. Only the first year is cost free.

"But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot water

Even a serviced boiler can break down. Some houses have a electric back up for heating and water!
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:32

What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not …What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not need servicing every year.Did you service a boiler every year in the 1980s? Of course not.This is a con to avoid warranty claims as most people do not service their boilers every year.Change it to 1 year warranty. Only the first year is cost free."But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot waterEven a serviced boiler can break down. Some houses have a electric back up for heating and water!


It not nonsense!!! If you don’t change oil in your car how to you want car manufacturers to give you new engine! Of course it has to be checked and changed. Same with boilers, there are many things to be checked and corrected but from my experience many gas engineers just check Flue emissions and that’s it! 10 min job £70-80. They are scared to open the boiler and check everything. It’s worse with Vaillant boilers because when u open heat exchanger you have to replace its seal, that’s £20 for a new one and you must have it in your van before you open it. I always explain to clients pros and cons and give them idea how much it will cost during 7 years and it’s up to them to decide.
Also we don’t live in world when something will last 25 years. Companies will have no one to sell to = people will loose jobs etc
elisadia17/07/2019 12:46

It not nonsense!!! If you don’t change oil in your car how to you want car …It not nonsense!!! If you don’t change oil in your car how to you want car manufacturers to give you new engine! Of course it has to be checked and changed. Same with boilers, there are many things to be checked and corrected but from my experience many gas engineers just check Flue emissions and that’s it! 10 min job £70-80. They are scared to open the boiler and check everything. It’s worse with Vaillant boilers because when u open heat exchanger you have to replace its seal, that’s £20 for a new one and you must have it in your van before you open it. I always explain to clients pros and cons and give them idea how much it will cost during 7 years and it’s up to them to decide. Also we don’t live in world when something will last 25 years. Companies will have no one to sell to = people will loose jobs etc


There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke grenade in the flu to check its clear. I can do that myself. It is nothing like a car, a boiler doesn't have any moving friction parts or fluids to change.
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Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:21

What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty …What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?This is all non-sense.


I agree however all the boiler company's only honour if the boiler is serviced and that's almost 100 quid
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:32

What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not …What nonsense. A boiler has very few parts. Any decent boiler does not need servicing every year.Did you service a boiler every year in the 1980s? Of course not.This is a con to avoid warranty claims as most people do not service their boilers every year.Change it to 1 year warranty. Only the first year is cost free."But on plus note its gas safety so you don't need to worry about anything especially if your living with small children in your family. Especially in winter being left with no heating or hot waterEven a serviced boiler can break down. Some houses have a electric back up for heating and water!


A boiler from 1980 was very different to a modern condensing boiler so they are no way comparable !
jrw17/07/2019 12:59

There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke …There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke grenade in the flu to check its clear. I can do that myself. It is nothing like a car, a boiler doesn't have any moving friction parts or fluids to change.


you don't know what you talking about mate
jrw17/07/2019 12:59

There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke …There is nothing to "service". They normally vac it out and chuck a smoke grenade in the flu to check its clear. I can do that myself. It is nothing like a car, a boiler doesn't have any moving friction parts or fluids to change.



It's probably best you don't claim to know how these boilers are serviced...

I've fitted a few Viessmann boilers, stopped doing so nearly 10 years ago, they aren't all that. Their parts are massively overpriced and they still persist in using too much rubber/plastic inside the boiler.

Also I can get these for £630 inc. VAT. Sometimes it can be better to let your fitter supply everything.
Edited by: "themorgatron" 17th Jul
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:21

What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty …What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?This is all non-sense.


lol
elisadia17/07/2019 12:46

It not nonsense!!! If you don’t change oil in your car how to you want car …It not nonsense!!! If you don’t change oil in your car how to you want car manufacturers to give you new engine! Of course it has to be checked and changed. Same with boilers, there are many things to be checked and corrected but from my experience many gas engineers just check Flue emissions and that’s it! 10 min job £70-80. They are scared to open the boiler and check everything. It’s worse with Vaillant boilers because when u open heat exchanger you have to replace its seal, that’s £20 for a new one and you must have it in your van before you open it. I always explain to clients pros and cons and give them idea how much it will cost during 7 years and it’s up to them to decide. Also we don’t live in world when something will last 25 years. Companies will have no one to sell to = people will loose jobs etc



I did not change my oil in my 23 year old MX3 car for the last 7 years. Nothing went wrong with it. I purchased from new. It is now SORN. With my BMW, 5 year service pack,long life oil changed every 2 years and after this I will not bother. I don't service cars and never had major issues. Most things are checks and not actually doing much else!
elisadia17/07/2019 13:21

you don't know what you talking about mate


Seriously, stop digging. To compare a car service with a boiler service is ridiculous. Mine had its first service in 20 years last year. Guy was in and out in 10-15 minutes and my wallet was £75 lighter.
Common.Sense17/07/2019 14:14

I did not change my oil in my 23 year old MX3 car for the last 7 years. …I did not change my oil in my 23 year old MX3 car for the last 7 years. Nothing went wrong with it. I purchased from new. It is now SORN. With my BMW, 5 year service pack,long life oil changed every 2 years and after this I will not bother. I don't service cars and never had major issues. Most things are checks and not actually doing much else!


Yeah and I expect you smoked 50 fags a day for 30 years and nothing happened.
kudos1uk17/07/2019 15:44

Yeah and I expect you smoked 50 fags a day for 30 years and nothing …Yeah and I expect you smoked 50 fags a day for 30 years and nothing happened.


I do not smoke. Admittedly 2k-3k miles a year for 7 years is hardly 14-21k miles. This is barely one oil change for most.

Some people make assumptions without facts!

MOT tell me what else I need to do. Tyres, brakes and exhaust.
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
chocci17/07/2019 15:42

Seriously, stop digging. To compare a car service with a boiler service is …Seriously, stop digging. To compare a car service with a boiler service is ridiculous. Mine had its first service in 20 years last year. Guy was in and out in 10-15 minutes and my wallet was £75 lighter.


That’s exactly my point , it’s not called service if you check glue gas emissions. And it takes 15min . It’s just called checking gas emissions.
If you want to have service done properly than it has to take one or two hours and then gas engineers can charge £75 or more. But the point is that good servicing will give you advantage. Either longer lifetime or/and better efficiency
What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get 6 years use out if it.
thegreenage.co.uk/are…ed/
HinseyHonsey17/07/2019 15:58

What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get …What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get 6 years use out if it.https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/are-gas-boilers-being-banned/


Read your own article
"The ban on gas boilers is only for new builds, so replacing the central heating system in your Victorian townhouse or 1920’s semi will still be perfectly possible."
HinseyHonsey17/07/2019 15:58

What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get …What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get 6 years use out if it.https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/are-gas-boilers-being-banned/


The first paragraph says this is "only for new builds" and also that replacing boiler in old houses "will still be perfectly possible". So nothing about banning the _use_ of boilers by 2025.
Fair point.
HinseyHonsey17/07/2019 15:58

What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get …What's the point when gas boilers will be banned by 2025, you'll only get 6 years use out if it.https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/are-gas-boilers-being-banned/


Gas boilers will be here for very long time.
Government is saying for new houses not to be connected to a gas supply. Which I think is wrong. For example Viessmann has developed Fuel Cell boilers where you are using natural gas or bio natural gas to create electricity for your use or selling it back to the grid. The heat that this process will generate is used to heat up your water or heating system. Carbon print is much less and you can earn money from it. However at the moment it’s quite expensive even with government grant help scheme.
Common.Sense17/07/2019 12:21

What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty …What a con. The boiler has to be serviced every year to have the warranty valid.I have never serviced my 25 year old Gloworm boiler, nor was it required.Pay back time of a new boiler = probably never.Cost of a new boiler with installation outweighs the efficiency savings.So, the warranty costs around 6x £70 service cost = £420.The warranty is not free and should be added to the headline price.Do we see, laptop = 3 year warranty if you service it. How about servicing a television?This is all non-sense.


I don’t think you have common sense mate.... I’d alway have boiler serviced after this current house we bought the boiler was ‘new’ at only two years old. Serviced two days after we moved in failed as the flue was cracked leaking carbon monoxide into house. It’s safe to say £70 a year is better than carbon monoxide poisoning.

You could get care care packages were you get free service. Our British Gas one I called them for a leaking thermostat free of charge.
Shockey17/07/2019 16:49

I don’t think you have common sense mate.... I’d alway have boiler ser …I don’t think you have common sense mate.... I’d alway have boiler serviced after this current house we bought the boiler was ‘new’ at only two years old. Serviced two days after we moved in failed as the flue was cracked leaking carbon monoxide into house. It’s safe to say £70 a year is better than carbon monoxide poisoning. You could get care care packages were you get free service. Our British Gas one I called them for a leaking thermostat free of charge.



I have not serviced my boiler in 21 years. I had 2 repairs. The last cost £70. I have more common sense that you, I think.
I am not your mate!
Common.Sense17/07/2019 17:04

I have not serviced my boiler in 21 years. I had 2 repairs. The last cost …I have not serviced my boiler in 21 years. I had 2 repairs. The last cost £70. I have more common sense that you, I think.I am not your mate!


Hero. I understand you bro it’s better to save money than safety.... must be proud to have extra £70 a year
Shockey17/07/2019 17:11

Hero. I understand you bro it’s better to save money than safety.... must b …Hero. I understand you bro it’s better to save money than safety.... must be proud to have extra £70 a year



amazon.co.uk/Fir…8-7


Please do tell me what a boiler service consists of besides a vac and checking the flu?
jrw17/07/2019 17:14

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fireangel-CO-9B-Basic-Carbon-Monoxide/dp/B00503T72E/ref=sr_1_7?crid=CR9Z9G64LYQC&keywords=carbon+monoxide+detector&qid=1563380028&s=gateway&sprefix=carbon+,aps,138&sr=8-7Please do tell me what a boiler service consists of besides a vac and checking the flu?

elisadia17/07/2019 17:31

[Video]


A totally independent video of course.....
So apart from a seal on a particular valiant combi (and thats only every 4 years) boiler its a vac and check. I don't have a combi boiler so don't have a tank to drain or check "chemical levels" which they top up anyway (so why check chemical levels?!) so I suspect they never drain or check and will just stick a tub of Sentinel in regardless.

And they only do this once every two years even though he kept insisting on stating bi annually. So a standard service which he didn't even go into can only be assumed to be a vac.

It can't even be compared to a car service. More like a car valet with a top up of screenwash (if you have a combi of course).

Thanks for confirming that they essentially just clean and check flu like i said. I can do that myself and save £70+ especially as my flu is about 2 foot long.
Shockey17/07/2019 17:11

Hero. I understand you bro it’s better to save money than safety.... must b …Hero. I understand you bro it’s better to save money than safety.... must be proud to have extra £70 a year



There is no evidence not servicing is unsafe. I have a CO monitor.
Servicing is not for safety. A gas safety certificate does not involve a service.
Edited by: "Common.Sense" 17th Jul
jrw17/07/2019 17:52

A totally independent video of course.....So apart from a seal on a …A totally independent video of course.....So apart from a seal on a particular valiant combi (and thats only every 4 years) boiler its a vac and check. I don't have a combi boiler so don't have a tank to drain or check "chemical levels" which they top up anyway (so why check chemical levels?!) so I suspect they never drain or check and will just stick a tub of Sentinel in regardless. And they only do this once every two years even though he kept insisting on stating bi annually. So a standard service which he didn't even go into can only be assumed to be a vac.It can't even be compared to a car service. More like a car valet with a top up of screenwash (if you have a combi of course).Thanks for confirming that they essentially just clean and check flu like i said. I can do that myself and save £70+ especially as my flu is about 2 foot long.


To check any flue I have to rely on an £800 analyzer that requires annual calibration @ £120. I'd be interested to hear how you can check your flue, I might be able to save myself some money.

My service includes:

-Test for any gas leaks
-Test correct gas pressure
-Test correct gas rate
-Test correct emissions
-Test flue isn't leaking
-Test safety devices are working
-Clean ignition
-Clean condensate
-Clean filter
-Visual inspection of boiler and entire system
-Complete paperwork

If it's an older boiler, or one that requires a full strip down due to failing the emissions test, you will get the deluxe version that includes a brush and vac. Both cost £50 (plus parts) if you're a regular customer. If you've got a stuck TRV, rad needs bleeding, or a weeping joint it all gets done as part of the service. Customers keep coming back to me so they must think the costs are reasonable.
Common.Sense17/07/2019 17:58

There is no evidence not servicing is unsafe. I have a CO …There is no evidence not servicing is unsafe. I have a CO monitor.Servicing is not for safety. A gas safety certificate does not involve a service.



bbc.co.uk/new…453


A service would have discovered the faults with the boiler.
Edited by: "themorgatron" 17th Jul
themorgatron17/07/2019 18:00

To check any flue I have to rely on an £800 analyzer that requires annual …To check any flue I have to rely on an £800 analyzer that requires annual calibration @ £120. I'd be interested to hear how you can check your flue, I might be able to save myself some money.My service includes:-Test for any gas leaks-Test correct gas pressure-Test correct gas rate-Test correct emissions-Test flue isn't leaking-Test safety devices are working-Clean ignition-Clean condensate-Clean filter-Visual inspection of boiler and entire system-Complete paperworkIf it's an older boiler, or one that requires a full strip down due to failing the emissions test, you will get the deluxe version that includes a brush and vac. Both cost £50 (plus parts) if you're a regular customer. If you've got a stuck TRV, rad needs bleeding, or a weeping joint it all gets done as part of the service. Customers keep coming back to me so they must think the costs are reasonable.


A standard service with the big companies don't do this. That's the point myself and others are making.

Most modern boilers will auto check gas pressure and rate (I know this as I had a spurious error on on of my rental properties and it turned out to be some mains valve off the side of the gas meter that was faulty and replaced for free by gas board) anyway.

The chap I use for gas safety certs for my properties has even said mine isn't worth servicing as there is nothing to service on them besides a clean out. It's a 20 year old glow worm standard boiler and he's said if it's not broken then don't bother fixing or replacing them. If it breaks I'll get a WB combi like I have elsewhere.
themorgatron17/07/2019 18:09

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28017453A service would …https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28017453A service would have discovered the faults with the boiler.


As would a co2 alarm.
jrw17/07/2019 18:11

As would a co2 alarm.


Assuming it's still working. I don't rely on airbags to save me in the event of a crash, I prefer to ensure my brakes are working in the first place.
themorgatron17/07/2019 18:18

Assuming it's still working. I don't rely on airbags to save me in the …Assuming it's still working. I don't rely on airbags to save me in the event of a crash, I prefer to ensure my brakes are working in the first place.


Yup. I check it most days as it's on wall next to Dyson charger
Aren't all gas boilers being banned from 2025? (Okay, in new builds... but that still means 30 gas boilers won't be fitted!)
themorgatron17/07/2019 18:09

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28017453A service would …https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-28017453A service would have discovered the faults with the boiler.



A CO monitor was the solution and not a service.
Common.Sense17/07/2019 18:27

A CO monitor was the solution and not a service.


And what happens when the CO monitor goes off, whats the solution to that...
Edited by: "themorgatron" 17th Jul
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