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Posted 14th Oct 2019

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glancy14/10/2019 09:41

Single 14tb drive - that could be quite dangerous!!!


only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always backup data.
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Single 14tb drive - that could be quite dangerous!!!
glancy14/10/2019 09:41

Single 14tb drive - that could be quite dangerous!!!


only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always backup data.
well obvs, but im talking about - even if you put it in a server (such as my unraid)- and it fails, for backing up or replacing, you basically need another drive or equiv drives to back up to - making buying this a dangerous game... in fact.. in an unraid server and others similar, your biggest drive needs to be your parity drive.
CyptoHippy14/10/2019 09:45

only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always …only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always backup data.


just to clarify - dangerous - meaning - costly - (not just buying 1 drive)
CyptoHippy14/10/2019 09:45

only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always …only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always backup data.


Buy 2 to back each other up!
glancy14/10/2019 09:41

Single 14tb drive - that could be quite dangerous!!!


I guess it's easier to recover data on this vs an ssd!
Having just had my 5Tb external drive (15 years of photos/docs/passport scans/e-bills) go *pfffft* on me, I'll be buying two of the 4Tb and investing in a proper Dropbox account.

(Thankfully the data recovery service my old man uses for work thinks the contents are fine - and at least it was secure.)
glancy14/10/2019 09:48

well obvs, but im talking about - even if you put it in a server (such as …well obvs, but im talking about - even if you put it in a server (such as my unraid)- and it fails, for backing up or replacing, you basically need another drive or equiv drives to back up to - making buying this a dangerous game... in fact.. in an unraid server and others similar, your biggest drive needs to be your parity drive.


it's far from dangerous. backing up your data is pretty standard - at least for anyone who has a clue what they are doing. you either keep your existing 14tb of data on the drives they are already on, and copy to this or get two or more of these. common sense stuff
Skwoddie14/10/2019 10:02

investing in a proper Dropbox account.


Backblaze might be cheaper and better for backing up than Dropbox.
uni14/10/2019 10:12

it's far from dangerous. backing up your data is pretty standard - at …it's far from dangerous. backing up your data is pretty standard - at least for anyone who has a clue what they are doing. you either keep your existing 14tb of data on the drives they are already on, and copy to this or get two or more of these. common sense stuff


i mentioned in the post after, that when i said dangerous - i kind of meant expensive...
The_Guru14/10/2019 09:55

I guess it's easier to recover data on this vs an ssd!

glancy14/10/2019 09:51

just to clarify - dangerous - meaning - costly - (not just buying 1 drive)


That's a very good point that most people miss. Even as a backup drive, this is risky. If it goes kaput, you need to spend another £249 to replace it, whereas an array of 5 4tb drives would mean the likelihood is that you'd only have to replace one drive at a time.

Plus if you don't regularly test your backups and find that the drive is dodgy, you don't have any redundancy.
rprp14/10/2019 10:34

That's a very good point that most people miss. Even as a backup drive, …That's a very good point that most people miss. Even as a backup drive, this is risky. If it goes kaput, you need to spend another £249 to replace it, whereas an array of 5 4tb drives would mean the likelihood is that you'd only have to replace one drive at a time.Plus if you don't regularly test your backups and find that the drive is dodgy, you don't have any redundancy.


Thats providing if and when this happens the drive is available at this price (if you dont buy 2 upfront) and there isnt a wait time (like this one currently has)
Damn, 14TB!! How big can hard drives get?!
rprp14/10/2019 10:34

That's a very good point that most people miss. Even as a backup drive, …That's a very good point that most people miss. Even as a backup drive, this is risky. If it goes kaput, you need to spend another £249 to replace it, whereas an array of 5 4tb drives would mean the likelihood is that you'd only have to replace one drive at a time.Plus if you don't regularly test your backups and find that the drive is dodgy, you don't have any redundancy.


an array of 5 drives would cost more usually. you'd need a controller, which is easily £100+ then the drives. more power being used too
I understand the hard drives can fail any time, but isn’t like anything above 8TB are white label that people are using as NAS storage and are supposed to be robust....
geekonthepc14/10/2019 11:07

Damn, 14TB!! How big can hard drives get?!


you can buy 14tb and 16tb now and 18tb and 20tb have just been announced. SSD's could be far bigger, but with current tech and prices, very expensive. but 20tb so far for a hard drive
woobee14/10/2019 10:12

Backblaze might be cheaper and better for backing up than Dropbox.


Just about to post that, get a good dedicated online unthrottled backup solution

They should bundle a 3/6m trial with one of these services with these high capacity drives would probably shift more.
Edited by: "powerbrick" 14th Oct 2019
geekonthepc14/10/2019 11:07

Damn, 14TB!! How big can hard drives get?!


I'd say about 100TB within the next 10 years.
Edited by: "supermann" 14th Oct 2019
CyptoHippy14/10/2019 09:45

only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always …only if your an idiot and don't backup data, nothing is fail proof always backup data.


only if you're an idiot
There, fixed it for you.
There's limits on how small the magnet tracks can be before they get too small and it's something they've been struggling with for years and one of the main reasons HDD capacities have been increasingly slowly over the last few years. Western Digital are using a new technology (Microwave Assisted Magnetic Recording) to increase the density for the 18TB drives and combining that with Shingled Magnetic Recording for the 20TB drive capacity which can give erratic write performance due to the magnetic tracks overlapping.

It's likely we're near the end of what can be done with magnetic recording and as prices and densities of flash memory come down they will take over, Samsung already offer a 30TB 2.5in SSD which is far above any standard hard drive never mind a 2.5in drive.
Johnmcl714/10/2019 13:13

There's limits on how small the magnet tracks can be before they get too …There's limits on how small the magnet tracks can be before they get too small and it's something they've been struggling with for years and one of the main reasons HDD capacities have been increasingly slowly over the last few years. Western Digital are using a new technology (Microwave Assisted Magnetic Recording) to increase the density for the 18TB drives and combining that with Shingled Magnetic Recording for the 20TB drive capacity which can give erratic write performance due to the magnetic tracks overlapping.It's likely we're near the end of what can be done with magnetic recording and as prices and densities of flash memory come down they will take over, Samsung already offer a 30TB 2.5in SSD which is far above any standard hard drive never mind a 2.5in drive.


Seagate are talking about using Heated-Dot Magnetic Recording technology to reach the 100TB mark.
supermann14/10/2019 13:30

Seagate are talking about using Heated-Dot Magnetic Recording technology …Seagate are talking about using Heated-Dot Magnetic Recording technology to reach the 100TB mark.


Talk is cheap as they say and so far there's been plenty talk about that technology but no results so far, even if Seagate meet their own schedule it's likely too slow against the advance of flash memory. Either way it's looking like super high capacity hard drives are going to end up for enterprise use only although I'll take what I can get, it's been getting very expensive to maintain high storage capacity at home which is all the more necessary as everything needs more space.
Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 14th Oct 2019
Johnmcl714/10/2019 13:39

Talk is cheap as they say and so far there's been plenty talk about that …Talk is cheap as they say and so far there's been plenty talk about that technology but no results so far, even if Seagate meet their own schedule it's likely too slow against the advance of flash memory. Either way it's looking like super high capacity hard drives are going to end up for enterprise use only although I'll take what I can get, it's been getting very expensive to maintain high storage capacity at home which is all the more necessary as everything needs more space.



They said they'd release their first drive using this technology in 2019 so yes, they're running out of time.
Johnmcl714/10/2019 13:39

Talk is cheap as they say and so far there's been plenty talk about that …Talk is cheap as they say and so far there's been plenty talk about that technology but no results so far, even if Seagate meet their own schedule it's likely too slow against the advance of flash memory. Either way it's looking like super high capacity hard drives are going to end up for enterprise use only although I'll take what I can get, it's been getting very expensive to maintain high storage capacity at home which is all the more necessary as everything needs more space.


Seagate could announce a hard disk that makes the tea in the morning and I still wouldn't go near it. Most of the failures I've had have been Seagate. Anecdotal of course, but then have a look at Backblaze stats and it's the same story.
uni14/10/2019 11:49

an array of 5 drives would cost more usually. you'd need a controller, …an array of 5 drives would cost more usually. you'd need a controller, which is easily £100+ then the drives. more power being used too


That's true, yes. All depends on the value you place on data, of course. Having once screwed up because of my own poor backup discipline, I do everything properly now and take as few chances as I can feasibly get away with.
There is someone in the group here that keeps posting outdated Seagate failure rates. *Waits*
petertan14/10/2019 17:40

There is someone in the group here that keeps posting outdated Seagate …There is someone in the group here that keeps posting outdated Seagate failure rates. *Waits*


Go on I'll bite...

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Top 5 are Seagate.
rprp14/10/2019 18:03

Go on I'll bite...[Image] Top 5 are Seagate.


Much better although it might imply WD performs better even though they don’t utilize 14TB drives
Edited by: "petertan" 14th Oct 2019
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