WD Red 3TB for NAS 3.5-inch Desktop Hard Drive £88.37 @ Amazon
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WD Red 3TB for NAS 3.5-inch Desktop Hard Drive £88.37 @ Amazon

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Found 11th Jun 2014
Cheapest it has ever been on Amazon and the cheapest around now the Dabs voucher code has now expired. I have these running in my Microserver and no problems so far!

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Cracking price.

Decent price but was a better price at dabs not long ago.

Are these good for streaming video from ? Just thinking traditional NAS is used for corporate activities more such as document read & writes and database read & writes which is different to a long period of read for a film.
Or am I over-thinking this ?!

P1Man

Are these good for streaming video from ? Just thinking traditional NAS … Are these good for streaming video from ? Just thinking traditional NAS is used for corporate activities more such as document read & writes and database read & writes which is different to a long period of read for a film. Or am I over-thinking this ?!



You're over thinking it

These are simply a bit more reliable than standard drives making them better suited to an always on server type environment. There are some reported issues with the 4TB drive but this one is well regarded.

Mine do pretty much nothing but stream movies / TV / music - only had them for a few weeks but they have been faultless so far.

Some people have reported getting good prices via Flubit so worth a try if you have an account - decent price though.

me_lee

You're over thinking it ;)These are simply a bit more reliable than … You're over thinking it ;)These are simply a bit more reliable than standard drives making them better suited to an always on server type environment. There are some reported issues with the 4TB drive but this one is well regarded.Mine do pretty much nothing but stream movies / TV / music - only had them for a few weeks but they have been faultless so far.Some people have reported getting good prices via Flubit so worth a try if you have an account - decent price though.



Actually, there are several reports of people having issues with the 3 TB as well, although I can't say this personally because I own two 2 TB.

Good price though, hot.

I've had 4 of these in my NAS for about 4 months without any problems. I have a HP Microserver running Freenas and they have been fine for backups, Plex streaming around the house and online. Music streaming and file sharing have all be fine.

Does anyone know if the 1TB version of this would be good as a boot drive for a HP Micro-server? Some say a boot drive should be fast but isn't the whole point that the server is always on? I currently use a Samsung F3- good drive but has a lot of vibration as it's 7200 and someone told me the difference in RPM is what's causing it (?).

JoeSpur

Does anyone know if the 1TB version of this would be good as a boot drive … Does anyone know if the 1TB version of this would be good as a boot drive for a HP Micro-server? Some say a boot drive should be fast but isn't the whole point that the server is always on? I currently use a Samsung F3- good drive but has a lot of vibration as it's 7200 and someone told me the difference in RPM is what's causing it (?).



It would be fine, but why not using these for data storage and choose something fast for the boot drive? I am thinking about a WD black or, even better, a 64 GB SSD.

D3V4

It would be fine, but why not using these for data storage and choose … It would be fine, but why not using these for data storage and choose something fast for the boot drive? I am thinking about a WD black or, even better, a 64 GB SSD.



I would agree about it being fine but, depending on what you're booting, you could also think about a USB stick (there is a port on the motherboard). No good for any OS that does a lot of writes (Win, full linux distro, etc) but fine for things like Openelec and great for Vsphere. I get a kick out of knowing my boot drive only cost £4, has lasted years and could be very easily replaced.

If you get an SSD, make sure you are installing an OS that supports TRIM or you could hamper the performance and shorten the life of your SSD. Windows 7 or later does (can't remember about XP) but some Linux distros don't and Ubuntu only just got TRIM support in the latest release. Vsphere does not.

me_lee

I would agree about it being fine but, depending on what you're booting, … I would agree about it being fine but, depending on what you're booting, you could also think about a USB stick (there is a port on the motherboard). No good for any OS that does a lot of writes (Win, full linux distro, etc) but fine for things like Openelec and great for Vsphere. I get a kick out of knowing my boot drive only cost £4, has lasted years and could be very easily replaced.If you get an SSD, make sure you are installing an OS that supports TRIM or you could hamper the performance and shorten the life of your SSD. Windows 7 or later does (can't remember about XP) but some Linux distros don't and Ubuntu only just got TRIM support in the latest release. Vsphere does not.


Thanks.
I am running Windows Home Server 2011. It always partitions the drive to 60GB for OS and the rest for Server Folders. I have 2TB and 3TB WD Reds in bays 2+3 and I will get another 4TB when I need more storage. I am not sure SSD is necessary for OS if the OS won't be doing much that's why I asked tbh. I am mostly using it for NAS but May plan on adding more services in the future, that is why I chose WHS over FreeNAS.

D3V4

It would be fine, but why not using these for data storage and choose … It would be fine, but why not using these for data storage and choose something fast for the boot drive? I am thinking about a WD black or, even better, a 64 GB SSD.


I use 2TB and 3TB Reds for storage, they are ace!

just buy 3 3tb nice 5 star
Edited by: "manit" 12th Jun 2014

JoeSpur

Thanks.I am running Windows Home Server 2011. It always partitions the … Thanks.I am running Windows Home Server 2011. It always partitions the drive to 60GB for OS and the rest for Server Folders. I have 2TB and 3TB WD Reds in bays 2+3 and I will get another 4TB when I need more storage. I am not sure SSD is necessary for OS if the OS won't be doing much that's why I asked tbh. I am mostly using it for NAS but May plan on adding more services in the future, that is why I chose WHS over FreeNAS.



Sounds sensible - you are right that you won't really see the benefits of an SSD in your setup.

I used to run WHS as a VM sitting on my Vsphere install (on an HP Microserver) but I felt like it was a bit bloated, I fell out with the way it handles its disk management and I was a bit worried that Microsoft seem to have abandoned it. If it's simple file sharing you need then there are lots of good linux distros out there that can do that for you - I've had good experiences with a few but finally settled on Windows Server 2012, simply because I had a spare license kicking about.

.I would highly recommend Vsphere for anyone who wants to mess around and try out lots of stuff as VM's.

edit: Just re-read your comment - if you want to add other services later there are distros that can handle things like Sickbeard, Plex, etc out there as well.
Edited by: "me_lee" 12th Jun 2014

Meh i have WD Green in mine and they are perfect. Hard Drive failure nows days are really low IMO. We have very few disk failure in our multiple SAN's at work.

me_lee

Sounds sensible - you are right that you won't really see the benefits of … Sounds sensible - you are right that you won't really see the benefits of an SSD in your setup.I used to run WHS as a VM sitting on my Vsphere install (on an HP Microserver) but I felt like it was a bit bloated, I fell out with the way it handles its disk management and I was a bit worried that Microsoft seem to have abandoned it. If it's simple file sharing you need then there are lots of good linux distros out there that can do that for you - I've had good experiences with a few but finally settled on Windows Server 2012, simply because I had a spare license kicking about..I would highly recommend Vsphere for anyone who wants to mess around and try out lots of stuff as VM's.edit: Just re-read your comment - if you want to add other services later there are distros that can handle things like Sickbeard, Plex, etc out there as well.


When u run WHS in a VM do u have your data drives as NTFS?

I read a lot of good and bad about different file systems and in the end I settled with NTFS more because it was the devil I know than anything else. If I have problems with drives it should be easier to recover etc, and if I ever need to change OS or anything I always have the option of plugging any storage drive into my PC... That was my thinking behind it anyway lol


Edited by: "JoeSpur" 12th Jun 2014

which is the best budget NAS enclosure for this? D-Link or Zyxel?

drsaurabhg

which is the best budget NAS enclosure for this? D-Link or Zyxel?


I had the D-Link DNS320 and it was fantastic! I still miss it for its ease of use tbh

nas box Fractal Design Array R2 MINI ITX NAS Case with 300W SFX Power Supply Unit 6 bays and
Gigabyte GA-E350N WIN8 Motherboard (On Board AMD Dual Core E-350D, AMD A45 FCH, DDR3, SATA 3GB/s/8, Mini ITX, HDMI, AMD Radeon HD 6310, USB 2.0, UEFI
Kingston Technology KVR13N9S8/4 1333MHz DDR3 Non-ECC DIMM Memory Module 2 of Kingston Technology KVR13N9S8/4 1333MHz DDR3 Non-ECC DIMM Memory Module and 3 3tb reds




Edited by: "manit" 12th Jun 2014

JoeSpur

When u run WHS in a VM do u have your data drives as NTFS?I read a lot of … When u run WHS in a VM do u have your data drives as NTFS?I read a lot of good and bad about different file systems and in the end I settled with NTFS more because it was the devil I know than anything else. If I have problems with drives it should be easier to recover etc, and if I ever need to change OS or anything I always have the option of plugging any storage drive into my PC... That was my thinking behind it anyway lol



I always use NTFS - it's simply a much more resilient file system. Remember though, these are virtual NTFS disks sitting on a different file system called VMFS, which has been developed specially to support virtual machines / storage. You can also opt for NFS but I can't see the point in a home environment.

There is a VMFS open source driver to make disks readable on a Linux or Windows machines should you ever need to do a bit of disaster recovery - I've been running my servers for years without needing to do this once but then I'm also a stickler for proper backup.

VMWare also have a free P2V converter so you can virtualise an existing Windows machine (never tried it outside of Windows myself).
Edited by: "me_lee" 12th Jun 2014

Is this free shipping if not it's cheaper at aria like my post

JoeSpur

I had the D-Link DNS320 and it was fantastic! I still miss it for its … I had the D-Link DNS320 and it was fantastic! I still miss it for its ease of use tbh



read/ write speed is fast enough?

This keeps dropping in price, don't forget to flubit people, i've had the full 12% off this before.

drsaurabhg

read/ write speed is fast enough?


Reading was fine, writing was a little slow but that could have just been me...

me_lee

I always use NTFS - it's simply a much more resilient file system. … I always use NTFS - it's simply a much more resilient file system. Remember though, these are virtual NTFS disks sitting on a different file system called VMFS, which has been developed specially to support virtual machines / storage. You can also opt for NFS but I can't see the point in a home environment.There is a VMFS open source driver to make disks readable on a Linux or Windows machines should you ever need to do a bit of disaster recovery - I've been running my servers for years without needing to do this once but then I'm also a stickler for proper backup.VMWare also have a free P2V converter so you can virtualise an existing Windows machine (never tried it outside of Windows myself).



If you are into playing around with VMware then try a zfs file system to raid your drives. Steep learning curve but compared to all other file systems I have used it is streets ahead for robustness so far and the feature set is unbelievable.

pengbo72

If you are into playing around with VMware then try a zfs file system to … If you are into playing around with VMware then try a zfs file system to raid your drives. Steep learning curve but compared to all other file systems I have used it is streets ahead for robustness so far and the feature set is unbelievable.



Thanks, but I don't really bother with RAID at home - I just don't need it. I could be back up and running from a disk failure in 5-10 minutes - one of the benefits of using snapshots for backup. Work is a different matter... but then we use proper enterprise grade kit for that (although I still use Microservers at work for testing).

I might consider it if I still ran *nix distros at home but it's Windows Server all the way right now (until I get bored again). I did have a little play with ZFS on FreeNAS a while back but the extra memory overhead was a killer - I don't think a NAS should need 8Gb of RAM to be properly functional!

1-3 months delivery?

bseal1947

1-3 months delivery?



On previous deals they seem to have drifted in and out of stock faster than that.

Just looked back through my Flubit account - paid £81.02 the last time I bought one of these (early to mid May).

me_lee

Thanks, but I don't really bother with RAID at home - I just don't need … Thanks, but I don't really bother with RAID at home - I just don't need it. I could be back up and running from a disk failure in 5-10 minutes - one of the benefits of using snapshots for backup. Work is a different matter... but then we use proper enterprise grade kit for that (although I still use Microservers at work for testing).I might consider it if I still ran *nix distros at home but it's Windows Server all the way right now (until I get bored again). I did have a little play with ZFS on FreeNAS a while back but the extra memory overhead was a killer - I don't think a NAS should need 8Gb of RAM to be properly functional!


When u do snapshot backups do u do it for all your data as well? What diff would that be from RAID if u still need all that HDD space mirrored?

Also, if I'm running WHS could/should I run virtual machines from inside that, or is it better to run the WHS in a virtual machine as well as the rest? I think I remember reading something about them not all being about to use the NIC at the same time (which sucks lol)... I'm a noob when it comes to all this, but I'm having fun learning and trying :-)

JoeSpur

When u do snapshot backups do u do it for all your data as well? What … When u do snapshot backups do u do it for all your data as well? What diff would that be from RAID if u still need all that HDD space mirrored?Also, if I'm running WHS could/should I run virtual machines from inside that, or is it better to run the WHS in a virtual machine as well as the rest? I think I remember reading something about them not all being about to use the NIC at the same time (which sucks lol)... I'm a noob when it comes to all this, but I'm having fun learning and trying :-)



RAID offers fault tolerance (mirroring) and / or performance gain (striping) - there's also parity but that's a bit beyond home stuff. Backup is simply taking a copy (I copy everything - system and data) and putting it in another place (maybe on another drive) - so backup doesn't give you fault tolerance or performance gain. For me this comes down to how long it takes to recover from a disk failure (about 10 minutes for me) and how much / often your data changes (very little from day to day for me) - if a recovery took me a long time or I had lots of data that changed between daily backups I would have thought about RAID.

The main drawbacks of RAID are that you ideally need to use identical disks and that, perversely, it increases the chance of failure versus having a single drive (if you have 2 drives 1 is more likely to fail than if you have a single drive). RAID is not a replacement for backup! It's quite possible to have RAID and still lose data. Depending on how it's set up (i.e. either with a dedicated controller or mostly done by the server) there can be a performance hit as well. There is also a storage overhead (i.e. you lose disk space) in all fault tolerant versions of RAID - for home use this is usually a 100% overhead so you if you have 2 x 3TB drives, you only see a single 3TB drive.

For my money you either do backup on its own or backup and RAID - I would never do RAID on its own without backup.

If you get into virtualising then you can do it either way but my preference is to keep everything virtual (i.e. not run VM's on top of WHS but alongside). That way you can tweak which VM's have which resources - and you could, for example, rebuild your WHS machine without it affecting anything else - even better, if you ever did rebuild it you would have the old machine available at the same time to copy stuff across.

However you go about it, you can happily share a single network card - although throughput will obviously be shared between VM's.
Edited by: "me_lee" 13th Jun 2014

me_lee

I would agree about it being fine but, depending on what you're booting, … I would agree about it being fine but, depending on what you're booting, you could also think about a USB stick (there is a port on the motherboard). No good for any OS that does a lot of writes (Win, full linux distro, etc) but fine for things like Openelec and great for Vsphere. I get a kick out of knowing my boot drive only cost £4, has lasted years and could be very easily replaced.If you get an SSD, make sure you are installing an OS that supports TRIM or you could hamper the performance and shorten the life of your SSD. Windows 7 or later does (can't remember about XP) but some Linux distros don't and Ubuntu only just got TRIM support in the latest release. Vsphere does not.



I perfectly agree with your comment. In fact, I am in the process of migrating my ESXi server to a USB stick

D3V4

I perfectly agree with your comment. In fact, I am in the process of … I perfectly agree with your comment. In fact, I am in the process of migrating my ESXi server to a USB stick



Hope it goes well - I was amazed by how easy the whole process was and I've stuck with Vsphere since it was made free.

However, watch out if you plan to upgrade to the latest of the free versions Vsphere at the same time - virtual machines based on the new virtual hardware (v8 or later) can not be managed by the free Vsphere client. Instead they need the full fat web client (i,e, the one you pay a fair bit of money for) in order to manage / edit settings. And if you go past virtual hardware v7 you can't easily revert.

More info here

edit: I've just checked my server and it can still create v7 machines as long as I choose "Custom" instead of a pre-chosen spec.

Edited by: "me_lee" 13th Jun 2014

daver77

Same price at CCL now, not many in stock … Same price at CCL now, not many in stock thoughhttp://www.cclonline.com/product/84755/WD30EFRX/Hard-Drives/Western-Digital-Red-3-0TB-Hard-Drive/HDD1494/?gagroup=Hero&gclid=CjgKEAjwwuqcBRCSuoivmIPnkwQSJACpqj3kcT0lQReVpKR6Bhdyecoc4-lvThCIJrZZco3kK5cFffD_BwE



It's been that price at CCL - before the Amazon price match

BUT it would appear to have passed HUKD voters by oO
hotukdeals.com/dea…807

me_lee

Hope it goes well - I was amazed by how easy the whole process was and … Hope it goes well - I was amazed by how easy the whole process was and I've stuck with Vsphere since it was made free.However, watch out if you plan to upgrade to the latest of the free versions Vsphere at the same time - virtual machines based on the new virtual hardware (v8 or later) can not be managed by the free Vsphere client. Instead they need the full fat web client (i,e, the one you pay a fair bit of money for) in order to manage / edit settings. And if you go past virtual hardware v7 you can't easily revert.More info hereedit: I've just checked my server and it can still create v7 machines as long as I choose "Custom" instead of a pre-chosen spec.



Hey thanks for the heads up! I am currently running 5.5 and I plan to keep it that way for a while

Collecting from Aria is the same price at the moment too for anyone in the Greater Manchester area. 1 of my Raid disks failed yesterday so good deal timing for once!

This is currently 88.44 with FrustrationFreePacaking. Standard went up to £91.25
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