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rogparki4 m ago

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this …I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD


Here he is again

Very nice but I'd wait till there's a variant with band 20
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Very nice but I'd wait till there's a variant with band 20

This looks really neat. I'm excited

Waiting for the 4/64gb Plus model, pity it'll only be in 2 colours though.

Shame it's MIUI.

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?

Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD

rogparki4 m ago

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this …I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD


Here he is again

rogparki6 m ago

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this …I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD


The PLUS model has 1080p screen(5 has 720p) and 25% bigger battery(4000 v 3000). Best to wait for the global version.
Edited by: "winchman" 7th Dec

mcek22 m ago

Waiting for the 4/64gb Plus model, pity it'll only be in 2 colours though.


4 Colors
Edited by: "keenan316" 7th Dec

adamcorki222 m ago

Here he is again



I take it you are really intelligent and savvy and know the pitfalls involved with buying from Chinese sellers ?

If so climb down from your ivory tower and imagine all the less savvy members? and imagine those thousands of less savvy members who have spent the last of their hard earned money on buying seemingly cheap presents (they can't really afford ) for their kids xmas pressies . Hopefully most will work as advertised , otherwise it'll be a miserable Xmas in those families as they realise there is no warranty and no feasible way of returning if the item is faulty .

Still I suppose in your view its Buyer beware ? And folks who don't have the knowledge to understand the pitfalls (or even realise its a Chinese seller ) deserve all they get !

If that's your pompous view -fair enough - but I wouldn't like to live in your friendless care less world
Edited by: "rogparki" 7th Dec

rogparki16 m ago

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this …I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD


I would like to know if products are from China aswell, thankfully you and a few other people have commented that the product is from China before I bought. So thank you for that

celtic_19676 m ago

I would like to know if products are from China aswell, thankfully you and …I would like to know if products are from China aswell, thankfully you and a few other people have commented that the product is from China before I bought. So thank you for that



My point exactly , thanks - If members are aware where the seller is based ,and the pitfalls , then they are free to decide whether to take the gamble . My fear is that many don't understand (or are able to afford) the gamble .

These sites were barred from HUKD until recently for that very reason , but money talks (ie referral fees )

All I am campaigning for is that these deals clearly state the sellers country of origin and hopefully the possible pitfalls . Shamefully HUKD aren't interested

Wow almost pushed the button on this based on the description here in blue - m.geekbuying.com/Ite…279

But the actual details show no B20

Original Poster

I can not see where this will be shipping from guys but I read the reviews and its looks ok to me ,,,there is a live chat available so you can find all the answers that is bothering you ......

uk.trustpilot.com/rev…com
Edited by: "tammyy" 7th Dec

rogparki46 m ago

I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this …I see you didn't mention its a HK/Chinese seller . Was this because you are too naïve to know "GeekBuying " is a Chinese seller and realise the pitfalls with buying from China ? Or like Geekbuying you don't really want buyers to know they are a Chinese seller ?Time and again I have asked HUKD to ensure it is made clear on so called "Deals" where the product ships from , sadly they have not given me the courtesy of a reply . Shameful HUKD


Why not educate the unsuspecting public then as you come across as negative toward all Chinese suppliers. There are huge savings to be had though people shouldn't assume one can save money without implications.

tammyy23 m ago

I can not see where this will be shipping from guys but I read the reviews …I can not see where this will be shipping from guys but I read the reviews and its looks ok to me ,,,there is a live chat available so you can find all the answers that is bothering you ...... https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/geekbuying.com


So you are saying that you didn't think to click on the "About us" or the "returns policy " tabs on their homepage before posting ? There are a quite a few clues there . Still it proves my point - many members - posters and buyers alike haven't a clue where these sellers are based - and it appears HUKD have no intention of letting its less savvy members know - So Import duties, VAT, No warranty , no feasible way of returning (£50+ for a phone tracked ) and gawd knows what malware on it appear all OK not to mention as far as HUKD are concerned

Original Poster

here is some info regards to band 20


Hello,

there are a few Xiaomi phones that support band 20.
Redmi note 4, Redmi note 3 special edition, Redmi 3s and Redmi 4a are the ones i know off.

Now i know that the Redmi note3 special edition has specific firmware.
But what with the other phones?
Is the xiaomi.eu rom useful for that phones and will them still support band 20?
Example; is the "rolex" firmware interchangeable with the Redmi 4a Global version that support band20 ?
My apologies for the bad English.

Update
------------
So for now we have,

* Redmi 3s Global - "land" firmware will support band 20 (2016031) Thanks @fredek
* Redmi Note 3 Special edition - "kate" firmware will support band 20 (2015161)Tested by myself.
* Redmi Note 4(X) Global - "mido" firmware will support band 20. (2016102) Thanks @dogiex
* Redmi 4x Global - "Santoni" firmware will support band 20, Tested by myself
* Redmi 4a Global - "Rolex" firmware will support band 20. (2016116) Tested by myself
* Mi note 2 Global - "Scorpio" firmware will support band 20. Thanks @Pikpok
* Mi mix 2 global - "Chiron" firmware untested
* Mi a1 global

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rogparki3 m ago

So you are saying that you didn't think to click on the "About us" or the …So you are saying that you didn't think to click on the "About us" or the "returns policy " tabs on their homepage before posting ? There are a quite a few clues there . Still it proves my point - many members - posters and buyers alike haven't a clue where these sellers are based - and it appears HUKD have no intention of letting its less savvy members know - So Import duties, VAT, No warranty , no feasible way of returning (£50+ for a phone tracked ) and gawd knows what malware on it appear all OK not to mention as far as HUKD are concerned


you seems like have so much time to waste ... how about you do some research and help the comunity out if you are so keen MR KEEN

damadgeruk11 m ago

Why not educate the unsuspecting public then as you come across as …Why not educate the unsuspecting public then as you come across as negative toward all Chinese suppliers. There are huge savings to be had though people shouldn't assume one can save money without implications.


Believe me I and others are trying . We've just seen the problem on this "Deal" ,The poster didn't know it was a Chinese seller ! So the sheep vote these deals hot ,so then they gain the implied seal of approval from HUKD .

These deals are right for those who know the pitfalls and are willing (and can afford) to take the gamble to save 10%- 20% (if you choose "slow boat" shipping to maybe avoid Import Duties and VAT) and are happy with no warranty and no economical way of returning .

I feel very strongly that HUKD should at least ensure that warning is on every deal from these sellers , so at least members can make an informed decision .

tammyy9 m ago

you seems like have so much time to waste ... how about you do some …you seems like have so much time to waste ... how about you do some research and help the comunity out if you are so keen MR KEEN



Maybe if you did a minute of basic research before posting (like errr where is the seller based ? ) I wouldn't have to be so keen - Wouldn't you agree ? or is that too much to ask - that you help protect your fellow members interests ?

rogparki6 m ago

Believe me I and others are trying . We've just seen the problem on this …Believe me I and others are trying . We've just seen the problem on this "Deal" ,The poster didn't know it was a Chinese seller ! So the sheep vote these deals hot ,so then they gain the implied seal of approval from HUKD .These deals are right for those who know the pitfalls and are willing (and can afford) to take the gamble to save 10%- 20% (if you choose "slow boat" shipping to maybe avoid Import Duties and VAT) and are happy with no warranty and no economical way of returning . I feel very strongly that HUKD should at least ensure that warning is on every deal from these sellers , so at least members can make an informed decision .


I get that you like to warn people who may not know that deals such as this are shipped from China, but why do you care so much? I'm not trying to be funny or offend, I'd genuinely like to know.
Edited by: "badboyofrock" 7th Dec

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rogparki2 m ago

Maybe if you did a minute of basic research before posting (like errr …Maybe if you did a minute of basic research before posting (like errr where is the seller based ? ) I wouldn't have to be so keen - Wouldn't you agree ? or is that too much to ask - that you help protect your fellow members interests ?


you go on and continue with your cider mate people have work to do.......

tammyy19 m ago

here is some info regards to band 20Hello,there are a few Xiaomi phones …here is some info regards to band 20Hello,there are a few Xiaomi phones that support band 20.Redmi note 4, Redmi note 3 special edition, Redmi 3s and Redmi 4a are the ones i know off.Now i know that the Redmi note3 special edition has specific firmware.But what with the other phones?Is the xiaomi.eu rom useful for that phones and will them still support band 20?Example; is the "rolex" firmware interchangeable with the Redmi 4a Global version that support band20 ?My apologies for the bad English.Update------------So for now we have,* Redmi 3s Global - "land" firmware will support band 20 (2016031) Thanks @fredek* Redmi Note 3 Special edition - "kate" firmware will support band 20 (2015161)Tested by myself.* Redmi Note 4(X) Global - "mido" firmware will support band 20. (2016102) Thanks @dogiex* Redmi 4x Global - "Santoni" firmware will support band 20, Tested by myself* Redmi 4a Global - "Rolex" firmware will support band 20. (2016116) Tested by myself* Mi note 2 Global - "Scorpio" firmware will support band 20. Thanks @Pikpok* Mi mix 2 global - "Chiron" firmware untested* Mi a1 global


Sorry but that's mostly rubbish. It's nothing to do with the firmware. Putting the global firmware on a none global phone won't unlock band 20. You need the correct hardware as well.

badboyofrock14 m ago

I get that you like to warn people who may not know that deals such as …I get that you like to warn people who may not know that deals such as this are shipped from China, but why do you care so much? I'm not trying to be funny or offend, I'd genuinely like to know.


For instance - I'm thinking Xmas morning - Parents can't really afford much at all , but have maxed out the credit card ,or maybe taken a doorstep loan so little Johnny can have a shiny phone / tablet / laptop whatever . Fine hopefully it works .

Sadly some won't - then and only then do the parents realise -no way of returning , no warranty -Happy Xmas in that household ?(I think not ) .

I have no problem at all with those who fully understand the pitfalls of buying from Chinese sellers taking a punt . Good luck to them they understand and can afford the gamble .

HUKD used to bar these sellers ( until recently ) for the reasons I have said to protect its less savvy members from such risks . Lets face it to many members a "Hot" deal implies "Approved by HUKD" .

All I ask for is that the Sellers Country be clearly stated so members can make their own informed decision .

rogparki4 m ago

For instance - I'm thinking Xmas morning - Parents can't really afford …For instance - I'm thinking Xmas morning - Parents can't really afford much at all , but have maxed out the credit card ,or maybe taken a doorstep loan so little Johnny can have a shiny phone / tablet / laptop whatever . Fine hopefully it works .Sadly some won't - then and only then do the parents realise -no way of returning , no warranty -Happy Xmas in that household ?(I think not ) .I have no problem at all with those who fully understand the pitfalls of buying from Chinese sellers taking a punt . Good luck to them they understand and can afford the gamble .HUKD used to bar these sellers ( until recently ) for the reasons I have said to protect its less savvy members from such risks . Lets face it to many members a "Hot" deal implies "Approved by HUKD" .All I ask for is that the Sellers Country be clearly stated so members can make their own informed decision .


I understand all this, but what I mean is, have you bought something that didn't work and fail to get a refund, or some other nightmare?

Still no NFC?

badboyofrock4 m ago

I understand all this, but what I mean is, have you bought something that …I understand all this, but what I mean is, have you bought something that didn't work and fail to get a refund, or some other nightmare?



No I haven't - its not a political thing - But I have read many sob stories on here from members who have lost their money for a useless door stop.

rogparki2 m ago

No I haven't - its not a political thing - But I have read many sob …No I haven't - its not a political thing - But I have read many sob stories on here from members who have lost their money for a useless door stop.


Ah, OK. I assumed you'd lost money or something. Again, didn't meant to offend, and If I did I apologise.

rogparki43 m ago

Believe me I and others are trying . We've just seen the problem on this …Believe me I and others are trying . We've just seen the problem on this "Deal" ,The poster didn't know it was a Chinese seller ! So the sheep vote these deals hot ,so then they gain the implied seal of approval from HUKD .These deals are right for those who know the pitfalls and are willing (and can afford) to take the gamble to save 10%- 20% (if you choose "slow boat" shipping to maybe avoid Import Duties and VAT) and are happy with no warranty and no economical way of returning . I feel very strongly that HUKD should at least ensure that warning is on every deal from these sellers , so at least members can make an informed decision .


I wouldn't consider the risk for 10-20% savings, though I'm happy with the 50+% I typically save on Xiaomi phones compared to UK resellers.
I get that you are trying to help though I'm not sure your target market will bother to read your warnings. I occasionally try to educate regarding the Vestel TV rebadging though lots of people just want a cheap TV regardless of the implications (reliability being the biggest IMO).

badboyofrock17 m ago

Ah, OK. I assumed you'd lost money or something. Again, didn't meant to …Ah, OK. I assumed you'd lost money or something. Again, didn't meant to offend, and If I did I apologise.



No ,of course I'm not offended - I buy stuff from Chinese sellers , golf tees , phone cases , cycle lights etc and never had a problem , so no axe to grind from that point of view . However reading the sob stories, on a daily basis , of members heartbroken and asking what to do when the worst happens is really upsetting when all HUKD has to do is to add a "Country of Origin " banner to the deal .

On at least 2 "deals" yesterday and indeed on this "deal" the posters admitted they had no idea it was a "Chinese seller " I have no problem with these deals being posted I just think it should be made clear where the seller is - before the deal is given the "implied" HUKD seal of approval .

Cold, not happy with the £20 extra geek buying are charging over the retail price.Cheeky buggers!

damadgeruk16 m ago

I wouldn't consider the risk for 10-20% savings, though I'm happy with the …I wouldn't consider the risk for 10-20% savings, though I'm happy with the 50+% I typically save on Xiaomi phones compared to UK resellers.I get that you are trying to help though I'm not sure your target market will bother to read your warnings. I occasionally try to educate regarding the Vestel TV rebadging though lots of people just want a cheap TV regardless of the implications (reliability being the biggest IMO).



Sadly , I do agree with you there . The members who are at risk very rarely (if ever ) bother reading comments simply going by the "Heat" and implied HUKD approval and respectability that gives the seller -

I am not "Tech savvy " enough to know the savings I could make by buying a phone from a Chinese seller , so I don't even consider it knowing the risks . I wouldn't buy a golf club or golf balls from these sellers as I would not trust them to be genuine (although they would be unlikely to break ! )

In my small way I'm trying to stand up for the less savvy fellow members , but I fear you are correct in that by posting in the "Comments " it does indeed miss the target audience in the main .

Any Snapdragon 4** no thanks.

So surprised to see a 5.7 inch screen in their redmi range. I thought to myself, is the phone considerably larger... so I compared this to the redmi 4.

Redmi 5:
151.8 x 72.8 x 7.7 mm (5.98 x 2.87 x 0.30 in)

Redmi 4:
141.3 x 69.6 x 8.9 mm (5.56 x 2.74 x 0.35 in)

Source (gsmarena):
m.gsmarena.com/com…263

rogparki2 h, 51 m ago

I take it you are really intelligent and savvy and know the pitfalls …I take it you are really intelligent and savvy and know the pitfalls involved with buying from Chinese sellers ? If so climb down from your ivory tower and imagine all the less savvy members? and imagine those thousands of less savvy members who have spent the last of their hard earned money on buying seemingly cheap presents (they can't really afford ) for their kids xmas pressies . Hopefully most will work as advertised , otherwise it'll be a miserable Xmas in those families as they realise there is no warranty and no feasible way of returning if the item is faulty .Still I suppose in your view its Buyer beware ? And folks who don't have the knowledge to understand the pitfalls (or even realise its a Chinese seller ) deserve all they get !If that's your pompous view -fair enough - but I wouldn't like to live in your friendless care less world


Really?

I think you need to get down your ivory tower too.

Most people before sheeplessly handing over cash do the very basic thing called research.

Most people dont just throw money at a website and pray it arrives,if they do, it would probably be a bit of a wake up call and a cheap price to pay for being so silly.

The last time you bought a TV did you walk in with a blind fold and just put your finger randomly on a TV and cough up?

I doubt it.

Its common sense to look at the business location, refund procedures and FAQ pages before making a purchase online

Surely this is common knowledge?

You just accused someone of being friendless and careless when in reality that might be you.

Pompuos you say?

rogparki1 h, 54 m ago

For instance - I'm thinking Xmas morning - Parents can't really afford …For instance - I'm thinking Xmas morning - Parents can't really afford much at all , but have maxed out the credit card ,or maybe taken a doorstep loan so little Johnny can have a shiny phone / tablet / laptop whatever . Fine hopefully it works .Sadly some won't - then and only then do the parents realise -no way of returning , no warranty -Happy Xmas in that household ?(I think not ) .I have no problem at all with those who fully understand the pitfalls of buying from Chinese sellers taking a punt . Good luck to them they understand and can afford the gamble .HUKD used to bar these sellers ( until recently ) for the reasons I have said to protect its less savvy members from such risks . Lets face it to many members a "Hot" deal implies "Approved by HUKD" .All I ask for is that the Sellers Country be clearly stated so members can make their own informed decision .


You should really rethink your buying strategy if you are putting shiny tablets or laptops on a credit card for a life time of debt?

Maybe you should ask yourself if you are doing the right thing?

HUKD is a posting site, it is therefore not the business you contract with when making a purchase, would you like someone to come and scratch your back and type the keys for you to make a purchase

These comments are getting worst by the day.

It is your duty to make yourself aware of the products location, not anyone here

rogparki2 h, 59 m ago

I take it you are really intelligent and savvy and know the pitfalls …I take it you are really intelligent and savvy and know the pitfalls involved with buying from Chinese sellers ? If so climb down from your ivory tower and imagine all the less savvy members? and imagine those thousands of less savvy members who have spent the last of their hard earned money on buying seemingly cheap presents (they can't really afford ) for their kids xmas pressies . Hopefully most will work as advertised , otherwise it'll be a miserable Xmas in those families as they realise there is no warranty and no feasible way of returning if the item is faulty .Still I suppose in your view its Buyer beware ? And folks who don't have the knowledge to understand the pitfalls (or even realise its a Chinese seller ) deserve all they get !If that's your pompous view -fair enough - but I wouldn't like to live in your friendless care less world


Your first post was alright, making a point about possible pitfalls of buying from China.

Here you are talking about seemingly cheap Chinese products.

This particular post/deal may be the most inappropriate one that you have chosen for your voice heard or the good cause that you intend.

Logic.

1) How did Xiaomi seemingly become a $40 Billion company in such short amount of time?

2) Asia's phone market is dominated by Xiaomi leaving Samsung behind. Xiaomi is entering Europe now, rest remains to be seen.

3) I wonder how many 'Made in China' items we use and rely on daily basis.

4) "Imagine thousands of less savy buyers spending their last penny on Xmas presents that will go wrong" - Sorry, it is beyond my imagination.

The thing is, focus needs to remain on the point that matters for it to command it's validity. Not doing that creates doubts.

hitman43 m ago

Your first post was alright, making a point about possible pitfalls of …Your first post was alright, making a point about possible pitfalls of buying from China.Here you are talking about seemingly cheap Chinese products.This particular post/deal may be the most inappropriate one that you have chosen for your voice heard or the good cause that you intend.Logic.1) How did Xiaomi seemingly become a $40 Billion company in such short amount of time?2) Asia's phone market is dominated by Xiaomi leaving Samsung behind. Xiaomi is entering Europe now, rest remains to be seen.3) I wonder how many 'Made in China' items we use and rely on daily basis.4) "Imagine thousands of less savy buyers spending their last penny on Xmas presents that will go wrong" - Sorry, it is beyond my imagination.The thing is, focus needs to remain on the point that matters for it to command it's validity. Not doing that creates doubts.



There is a world of difference between made in China under contract and quality control of a global firm and then sold "under warranty" worldwide by that firm - you will detect a small difference - "under warranty " . And a similar product made in China , questionable quality control (if any ) and certainly no warranty .

Surely that "nuance" has not escaped you ? Otherwise surely BangGood,, Gearbest , EGlobal , Geekbuyer , Toby deals , etc etc would of course be offering a full manufacturers warranty wouldn't they ? Even though they sell from the same country the thing is made - they offer no manufacturers warranty - Does that not strike you as Strange ?

As I have said many times I respect the right of those who wish to take the gamble on getting a "bargain " from these sellers to do so - but shouldn't those less well off and less savvy be afforded some protection by HUKD ? Simply by stating that these are Chinese sellers in the listing ?

As I previously stated 3 posters and many commenters in the last 24 hrs have admitted they were unaware that 3 of these websites were Chinese sellers , that is worrying is it not ?

So its beyond your imagination that many HUKD members will order from these glossy websites because they are cheaper and "Hot" on HUKD . Sorry its a fact - and why are you bothered anyway ? You know the sites ,you are happy to take the risks -Fine . But I can't understand why you object to me trying to warn other less savvy members of the possible pitfalls .

Kyballion1 h, 11 m ago

You should really rethink your buying strategy if you are putting shiny …You should really rethink your buying strategy if you are putting shiny tablets or laptops on a credit card for a life time of debt?Maybe you should ask yourself if you are doing the right thing?HUKD is a posting site, it is therefore not the business you contract with when making a purchase, would you like someone to come and scratch your back and type the keys for you to make a purchaseThese comments are getting worst by the day.It is your duty to make yourself aware of the products location, not anyone here



I get what you are saying , so you must understand what I am saying . I'm trying to defend those who are unable to realise these sites are Chinese sellers and what that means for a buyer . 3 "deal" posters in the last 24 hours admitted they didn't realise the "deal" they posted came from a Chinese seller .

In this world I agree it should be ones duty to fully research a deal before buying , how many do ? how many even look beyond the so called "Hot Deals" on HUKD and how many of those actually read the comments let alone reviews etc as I'm sure we both do .

So what you are saying is basically "Buyer beware" - That's fair enough , use the site to help you find "bargains " , but have no worries about a 64Mb micro sd card from Gearbest being voted ridiculously hot for being £2- £3 cheaper than from Amazon or My Memory ! I'm sure even you wouldn't go for that

By the way its not my buying strategy that we are discussing (I wouldn't buy anything for more than £40 from China) ,or yours for that matter (I'm sure you happily take educated punts ) its those less savvy than ourselves that I'm trying to look after . A fruitless task as I have already admitted - but at least I'm trying, unlike some like yourself who believe " its their own stupid fault" - which is effectively what you are saying
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