Yale Cylinder Barrel Euro Lock £6.72-£9.99 (depending on size/colour) @ ebay (jcplastics489)
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Yale Cylinder Barrel Euro Lock £6.72-£9.99 (depending on size/colour) @ ebay (jcplastics489)

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Found 21st Jan 2014
Seems to be an excellent price for a top branded lock. Available in most sizes and in brass or nickel colour.

These are an absolute doddle to change, takes 2 minutes with just a single screw to fix it in place.

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Original Poster

To find out what size you need, take your existing lock out and measure the following:

http://www.upvcplasticsurgery.co.uk/dzinehub/listingimages/door%20cylinders/door-cylinder-measurement-guide.jpg

The size you need will be TA/B so in my case it was T40/40.

Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you need an anti snap & bump barrel

ebay.co.uk/itm…bc8

Edited by: "deanos" 21st Jan 2014

deanos

Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you … Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you need an anti snap & bump barrelhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UAP-EURO-CYLINDER-SECURITY-LOCK-ANTI-BUMP-ANTI-SNAP-ANTI-PICK-aluminium-pvc-door-/180847258568?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&var=&hash=item2a1b562bc8



Thanks

Original Poster

deanos

Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you … Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you need an anti snap & bump barrelhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UAP-EURO-CYLINDER-SECURITY-LOCK-ANTI-BUMP-ANTI-SNAP-ANTI-PICK-aluminium-pvc-door-/180847258568?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&var=&hash=item2a1b562bc8



Admittedly, I did go for a more expensive one that is anti-snap and has a thumb-turn
ebay.co.uk/itm…759?var=420176881060&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

This is still a good price for a basic lock. Better than leaving existing locks in place if you're moving house.

deanos

Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you … Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you need an anti snap & bump barrelhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UAP-EURO-CYLINDER-SECURITY-LOCK-ANTI-BUMP-ANTI-SNAP-ANTI-PICK-aluminium-pvc-door-/180847258568?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&var=&hash=item2a1b562bc8



Agreed, spend the extra and get a secure barrel.

Will these fit UPVC front doors?

buy the anti bump locks for a few extra quid , they are alot more secure , a burgler can get though standard locks in a few seconds

ebay.co.uk/itm…12a

ICTHUS

Will these fit UPVC front doors?



yes they take 2 minutes to fit

OK it's not anti snap or anti bump or indeed pick proof. But has anyone on here been broken into via this method or was it just a brick through the window?

I admittedly have ABS cylinders throughout my house abs-secure.co.uk/ at about £40 each.

I don't know of anyone who has had their locked picked, snapped or bumped. So a new cylinder is better than an old one, and just to be sure measure i properly
Edited by: "thesmellyone" 21st Jan 2014

BeerDrinker

Admittedly, I did go for a more expensive one that is anti-snap and has a … Admittedly, I did go for a more expensive one that is anti-snap and has a thumb-turnhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121185688759?var=420176881060&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649This is still a good price for a basic lock. Better than leaving existing locks in place if you're moving house.



What's the benefit of a thumb turn?

Handy to have a spare lock set kicking around... You never know!

Original Poster

Gazbert

What's the benefit of a thumb turn?



Don't need to rake through my jacket pockets looking for my key when someone chaps the door with a parcel. Can lock/unlock the door from the inside with the thumb turn.

BeerDrinker

Don't need to rake through my jacket pockets looking for my key when … Don't need to rake through my jacket pockets looking for my key when someone chaps the door with a parcel. Can lock/unlock the door from the inside with the thumb turn.


I thought about getting a thumb turn (easy to get out in a fire) but the disadvantage is that if the door has a glass panel - smash glass, turn thumb turn and you're in.............and I read some insurers don't like them (don't know if thats true or not)

Euro cylinders are pretty easy to fit/replace video here
youtube.com/wat…OY4

and if you're interested in finding out more about the risks of lock snapping BBC did this
youtube.com/wat…QRY

Recently changed my locks and bought these - can get them for about £30 to £35 on ebay (in fact it was JCplastics I bought them from £32 each)
avocet-hardware.co.uk/abs…asp

If you do get one of the abs ones - the key comes out of the lock in a horizontal position rather than the key being vertical - thought my key was stuck

Edited by: "gari189" 21st Jan 2014

A burglar may get in through a window but Id have thought a thumb turn would make it very easy and quick to get things out of your house. Id imagine thats why insurance companies arent keen.

BeerDrinker

Don't need to rake through my jacket pockets looking for my key when … Don't need to rake through my jacket pockets looking for my key when someone chaps the door with a parcel. Can lock/unlock the door from the inside with the thumb turn.



How would that work with the typical insurance requirement of having key operated locks on all doors and windows? Surely a thumb operated lock potentially invalidates your insurance.

Original Poster

Gazbert

How would that work with the typical insurance requirement of having key … How would that work with the typical insurance requirement of having key operated locks on all doors and windows? Surely a thumb operated lock potentially invalidates your insurance.



Typical insurance requirements are usually to have a lock that complies with BS3621. The one I've ordered does so shouldn't be anything to worry about.

biggysilly

bump key Bailiffs love them believe me.



dones't sound particularly leagal:

11/06/08 6 Force Publication Scheme
8.2 The basic rule for bailiffsicon is that that entry should be without force, thus have the right to peaceful entry only. THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT BY A DEBTOR TO LET A BAILIFF IN TO THEIR HOME.
8.3 To gain peaceful entry, the Bailiff can walk through a open door, open an unlocked door, climb through an open window, and even climb over a wall or a fence, provided no damage is done in so doing.
8.4 The Bailiff cannot, however, break open a closed but unfastened window or door, open a closed latched window, or USE A LOCKSMITH TO OPEN A DOOR. Use of a landlord's key is also illegal. They cannot force their way past someone at the door, or wedge their foot in a doorway to prevent the door being closed. The protection against forced entry extends to all buildings physically attached to the living premises.

I mean I've seen the videos and the news stories and I have the ABS cylinders fitted to my house but I don't actually know of anyone that has been broken into via this way.

Most people I know who have been burgled have been via the brick through a window and carried out by kids, not professional burglars who have a hobby in lock picking, or lock bumping.

I partly think it's a marketing drive by security companies to get us to buy more expensive locks (like I've already done).

I don't think it's surprising that you've not heard of anyone being burgled by a lock bumper.

I suspect that most people that have been burgled by lock bumpers simply think they accidentally left their door unlocked.

Original Poster

thesmellyone

dones't sound particularly leagal:11/06/08 6 Force Publication Scheme8.2 … dones't sound particularly leagal:11/06/08 6 Force Publication Scheme8.2 The basic rule for bailiffsicon is that that entry should be without force, thus have the right to peaceful entry only. THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT BY A DEBTOR TO LET A BAILIFF IN TO THEIR HOME.8.3 To gain peaceful entry, the Bailiff can walk through a open door, open an unlocked door, climb through an open window, and even climb over a wall or a fence, provided no damage is done in so doing.8.4 The Bailiff cannot, however, break open a closed but unfastened window or door, open a closed latched window, or USE A LOCKSMITH TO OPEN A DOOR. Use of a landlord's key is also illegal. They cannot force their way past someone at the door, or wedge their foot in a doorway to prevent the door being closed. The protection against forced entry extends to all buildings physically attached to the living premises.



I suppose it's getting proof that they forced entry. Using a bump-key will show no signs of damage

I had one of these fail a few months ago (it was a Yale). We don't know if someone tried to bump it or simply failed after 20 years of use. Replaced it with an anti-snap Yale lock.

I was going to buy one from eBay, but chose not to just in case the seller made an extra key
Edited by: "Predikuesi" 21st Jan 2014

Responding to discussion, IMHO I would be very cautious of 'thumb turn' locks. When we were burgled they broke back patio door of our new build, we had thumb turn on main door so they just turned it from the inside and walked out with our stuff.

Good locks on patio doors won't stop them breaking in, but it will be a pain in the bum to try and carry the stuff out. Also having an obviously secure lock such as abs-secure (with a different key facia) on your front door has to be an indication that you're taking security seriously and another house might be a better bet.

thesmellyone

OK it's not anti snap or anti bump or indeed pick proof. But has anyone … OK it's not anti snap or anti bump or indeed pick proof. But has anyone on here been broken into via this method or was it just a brick through the window?I admittedly have ABS cylinders throughout my house http://www.abs-secure.co.uk/ at about £40 each.I don't know of anyone who has had their locked picked, snapped or bumped. So a new cylinder is better than an old one, and just to be sure measure i properly



Snapping Euro locks is one of the most common ways to get into households recently.

Gazbert

What's the benefit of a thumb turn?



Easy to open from the inside - or if you are a thief, from the outside using a strap through the letterbox!

Also easier from a thief, who may have climbed in through a broken window or such, to vacate your house carrying your large screen TV if he can walk out the front door without needing a key.

Personally I'd avoid thumb turns.
Edited by: "melted" 21st Jan 2014

thesmellyone

I mean I've seen the videos and the news stories and I have the ABS … I mean I've seen the videos and the news stories and I have the ABS cylinders fitted to my house but I don't actually know of anyone that has been broken into via this way.Most people I know who have been burgled have been via the brick through a window and carried out by kids, not professional burglars who have a hobby in lock picking, or lock bumping.I partly think it's a marketing drive by security companies to get us to buy more expensive locks (like I've already done).



We had an attempted burglary via snapping the lock. He would have done us over had I not woken up and chased him off.

Burglaries as a result of snapping/bumping Euro lock are not something dreamed up by insurance companies I can assure you....

Think we need a new lock, key is starting to stick in the door, maybe I should be proactive and get one before it's to late and some good/bad advice on here to think about

Not sure what the statistics are now but a couple of years ago 27% of all burglaries is West Yorkshire were as a result of lock snapping and after seeing how easy it is to do I'm not surprised. In fact somebody tried to use the method to brake into my sisters not long ago but luckily she'd just upgraded to an anti-snap cylinder.

bbc.co.uk/new…027
Edited by: "DMT" 21st Jan 2014

thesmellyone

I mean I've seen the videos and the news stories and I have the ABS … I mean I've seen the videos and the news stories and I have the ABS cylinders fitted to my house but I don't actually know of anyone that has been broken into via this way.Most people I know who have been burgled have been via the brick through a window and carried out by kids, not professional burglars who have a hobby in lock picking, or lock bumping.I partly think it's a marketing drive by security companies to get us to buy more expensive locks (like I've already done).



I fitted bump and snap resistant eurolocks some time ago, as my insurance has a clause that I'm not covered against theft if there is no sign of forced entry, and if your lock is bumped, getting an insurance company to accept it is notoriously difficult. Some insurance polices may also require BS kitemarked locks.

My original eurolocks also suck out too far beyond the surface of the outside handle (it was about 5 - 6mm), they need to be as near flush as possible (ideally less than 3mm) to make snapping difficult




Edited by: "melted" 21st Jan 2014

melted

I fitted bump and snap resistant eurolocks some time ago, as my … I fitted bump and snap resistant eurolocks some time ago, as my insurance has a clause that I'm not covered against theft if there is no sign of forced entry, and if your lock is bumped, getting an insurance company to accept it is notoriously difficult. Some insurance polices may also require BS kitemarked locks.



Out of interest who was/is your insurance with?

Thanks

johnraggett

Think we need a new lock, key is starting to stick in the door, maybe I … Think we need a new lock, key is starting to stick in the door, maybe I should be proactive and get one before it's to late and some good/bad advice on here to think about



try some WD40 before replacing the lock

we lost our back door key a few years ago and I asked a window fitter for advice/locksmith suggestion, he told me about snapping the lock, it took him longer to explain than it took me to break into my own home. a couple of days later all my locks were changed.
anti-snap/bump every time since

deanos

Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you … Don't get these as they are a waste of money and not very secure, you need an anti snap & bump barrelhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UAP-EURO-CYLINDER-SECURITY-LOCK-ANTI-BUMP-ANTI-SNAP-ANTI-PICK-aluminium-pvc-door-/180847258568?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&var=&hash=item2a1b562bc8



Thanks, thats almost as cheap as getting three new keys made up (which I need).

simont_space

Has anyone tried this stuff? If it works its a cheap alternative. … Has anyone tried this stuff? If it works its a cheap alternative. http://www.pickbuster.co.uk/buy.php& is it just this stuff in very small packets?http://www.fanevalleystores.com/product/5035104014177/nettex-heavy-duty-high-tack-grease-aerosol-500ml



Looks like its 90% snake oil, to understand whether it works you need to know how lock picking and/or bumping works, with picking each pin has a slightly different tolerance and you find each pin in order that they bind with ease and use your pick and torsion wrench to keep the lock just tight enough to move one more pin at a time and keep it below the "shear line" whilst moving on to the next, This stuff does look like it may make it a tad harder but then so would a decent lubricant too.

I have a set of lock picks just for the fun of finding out how easy it is and to show other people how insecure their locks are (with consent, otherwise I have old locks that I have saved over the years and use to show people) even most amateurs can have success with the raking technique on simpler locks, a euro style lock is under a minute for me now with picking, bump keys just seem like cheating to me. Google "lock sport" for more info.

gari189

Not a good idea to use wd40 in the … Not a good idea to use wd40 in the cylinderhttp://community.locksonline.co.uk/2012/09/locksonline-top-tips-lubricating-locks/


This

Never use WD40 as a lubricant, its a water dispersal solution (hence WD) . The best lubricant for locks is a graphite powder.

harlzter

ThisNever use WD40 as a lubricant, its a water dispersal solution (hence … ThisNever use WD40 as a lubricant, its a water dispersal solution (hence WD) . The best lubricant for locks is a graphite powder.



WD40 is mostly mineral oil in loads of solvent so it is a lubricant, although because it is so runny not ideal for a lot of jobs.

I believe the instruction leaflet for my current locks (Cisas) actually recommended using either WD40 or a silicone lubricant. I also read somewhere not to use graphite powder on locks with stainless steel components.
Edited by: "melted" 21st Jan 2014

thesmellyone

OK it's not anti snap or anti bump or indeed pick proof. But has anyone … OK it's not anti snap or anti bump or indeed pick proof. But has anyone on here been broken into via this method or was it just a brick through the window?I admittedly have ABS cylinders throughout my house http://www.abs-secure.co.uk/ at about £40 each.I don't know of anyone who has had their locked picked, snapped or bumped. So a new cylinder is better than an old one, and just to be sure measure i properly



Apparently it is epidemic in West Yorkshire. I think that this may be because in Yorkshire most people seem to use deadlocks of one sort or another and other areas seem to have a mix, with traditional Yale type latches being predominant. But that's only a guess on my part as to why it might be more of a problem in West Yorkshire.

Personally, given the risk, I would definitely go for the Avocet Euro locks. The keys are all registered with Avocet and unless you do register the keys you cannot obtain copies.
Edited by: "zerocrop" 21st Jan 2014

simont_space

Has anyone tried this stuff? If it works its a cheap alternative. … Has anyone tried this stuff? If it works its a cheap alternative. http://www.pickbuster.co.uk/buy.php& is it just this stuff in very small packets?http://www.fanevalleystores.com/product/5035104014177/nettex-heavy-duty-high-tack-grease-aerosol-500ml



Read about it and wouldn't use it. Would avoid buying locks that come pre-treated with this sticky gunk, instead of a proper anti-bump device too.

See the video below of a UAP lock that comes pre-treated with that stuff to supposedly make it bump resistant, being bumped.

youtube.com/wat…8rM



Edited by: "melted" 21st Jan 2014

Gazbert

What's the benefit of a thumb turn?


Fire safety (fast exit) generally. I fitted them for grandparents as my Granddad is blind - he really struggled to get the key in the small hole of a normal lock, whereas a thumb turn makes it very easy for him.
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