Youngman Timberline Loft Ladder Access Kit £101.15 C+C with code @ Wickes
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Youngman Timberline Loft Ladder Access Kit £101.15 C+C with code @ Wickes

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Refreshed 21st Mar (Posted 21st Mar)
Bit niche, but we have the exact same loft ladder, before we used to struggle clambering up & chucking stuff in to the loft, since we had this installed climbing into the loft is like a walk in the park.

I was a bit worried about draughts since loft access is in my bedroom, but there has been none at all

You need to use code SPRING19 & choose the C+C option for the code to work to take 15% off the onsite price ( code will take 15% off £100 spends when you C+C)


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The Timberline Loft Access Kit is a sturdy and perfect loft access solution for DIY installation. The folding loft ladder stores within the trapdoor so no loft floor space in the loft is used. Features include spring-assisted stowage and slip-resistant treads for comfortable climbing. Comes complete with fully insulated trapdoor, loft surround and all fittings. Suitable for heights up to 2.8m.


  • Comes complete with loft ladder, 26mm insulated trapdoor, loft surround and all fittings
  • Fully insulated trapdoor prevents loss of heat and draughts
  • Suitable for heights up to 2.8m (9ft 2in)
  • Loft ladder stores within trapdoor so no storage space is used
  • Spring-assisted stowage for smooth opening and closing
  • Slip-resistent treads for comfort when climbing
  • High quality timber constriction
  • Suitable for DIY installation
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♫ Youngman, there's no need to fall down ♫
♫ I said, youngman, step yourself to the ground ♫
Dingdong00721/03/2019 09:30

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement


But also, don't expect a tradesman to do any better. I've learned the hard way. I've had idiot trades do jobs as I'm too buy to do them myself, don't think that because they schmooze you with technical speak and how they'll do such a great job, or just because it's expensive, they'll do a better job.

When you look at what they've done, you might as well have DIY, you'll get a better job and a better finish if you do it right. Do your research, take your time, buy the right tools, don't expect it to be easy, don't expect it to be done quickly, don't expect it to be cheap

When you've done, stand back and admire what you've achieved and how you have slowed the perpetual trades rip off pyramid based scheme, and how many points you will have gained with the Mrs.
IWANTBLUE1 m ago

Huh?? Why the *$#! do you need this then?? :/ :/ Huh?? Why the *$#! do you need this then?? :/ :/ 😜😏


So no-one who comes round suspects me
Dingdong00714 h, 40 m ago

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement


I fitted one myself last year, but I would class myself as an experienced DIYer with a family background in construction.

The frame of this was the correct width to fit between the trusses in my loft, but I had to lengthen the opening which involved moving a noggin, removing some plasterboard and then making a new surround with some architrave I had lying around from a previous job.

For me, installing the new hatch and ladder was an essential first step before fitting 18 square meters of flooring in my loft...


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OP roughly how much did it cost you to get it installed? I'm guessing they need to extend the hatch size? Also who did the fitting for you?
Brilliant thanks OP, just what I'm looking for. HEAT
lonechump21/03/2019 08:38

OP roughly how much did it cost you to get it installed? I'm guessing they …OP roughly how much did it cost you to get it installed? I'm guessing they need to extend the hatch size? Also who did the fitting for you?


we used a local carpenter, he only charged £75, took him around 90 mins from start to finish, but that was with a completely new hatch cut out & everything, the other hatch was in one of the kids rooms & didn't feel comfortable with the main access in there, in case we needed to get up there when they were asleep

That's nice, I'm happy for you. Totally regionally and flakey tradesman dependent though.

I've had quotes from tradesmen the one job that ranged from £90 to £500 so I wouldn't get his hopes up.
Edited by: "supermann" 21st Mar
♫ Youngman, there's no need to fall down ♫
♫ I said, youngman, step yourself to the ground ♫
The main disadvantage with this is that, in these energy concious days, there is no insulation on the hatch and it looks like it is impossible to fit any. It actually says the trap is 550 mm but it must mean 55mm which is 2+". Which seems thicker than it looks and it depends what the hatch is made of maybe soild MDF or laminated. The description says 'fully insulated' but I take that to mean 'fully windproof' ie there are seals round the hatch
Edited by: "jasee" 21st Mar
Dont buy this TAT!! Research Fakro!!!
As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement
Dingdong0073 m ago

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement


Depends, if you need to widen the hole, it can be quite involved. If it's just screwing it to the existing joists it's fairly easy. Don't expect and DIY job to be easy, if it is, it's a bonus.
Dingdong00721/03/2019 09:30

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement



I've done one like this. Unless your opening is exactly the right size, the joists won't be in the right places so you'll have to saw some and put them back or add additional joists. Then the structure will hang from these joists. So peoples lives will depend on it. So I think probably not.
jasee21/03/2019 09:50

I've done one like this. Unless your opening is exactly the right size, …I've done one like this. Unless your opening is exactly the right size, the joists won't be in the right places so you'll have to saw some and put them back or add additional joists. Then the structure will hang from these joists. So peoples lives will depend on it. So I think probably not.


It would only be me using it and I'm like Spiderman
Dingdong00721/03/2019 09:55

It would only be me using it and I'm like Spiderman


Huh?? Why the *$#! do you need this then??
:/ :/ 😜😏
IWANTBLUE1 m ago

Huh?? Why the *$#! do you need this then?? :/ :/ Huh?? Why the *$#! do you need this then?? :/ :/ 😜😏


So no-one who comes round suspects me
Dingdong00721/03/2019 09:30

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement


But also, don't expect a tradesman to do any better. I've learned the hard way. I've had idiot trades do jobs as I'm too buy to do them myself, don't think that because they schmooze you with technical speak and how they'll do such a great job, or just because it's expensive, they'll do a better job.

When you look at what they've done, you might as well have DIY, you'll get a better job and a better finish if you do it right. Do your research, take your time, buy the right tools, don't expect it to be easy, don't expect it to be done quickly, don't expect it to be cheap

When you've done, stand back and admire what you've achieved and how you have slowed the perpetual trades rip off pyramid based scheme, and how many points you will have gained with the Mrs.
supermann21/03/2019 09:05

That's nice, I'm happy for you. Totally regionally and flakey tradesman …That's nice, I'm happy for you. Totally regionally and flakey tradesman dependent though. I've had quotes from tradesmen the one job that ranged from £90 to £500 so I wouldn't get his hopes up.


The member asked me "OP roughly how much did it cost you to get it installed? I'm guessing they need to extend the hatch size? Also who did the fitting for you?" so I replied with the info I had, I got quotes but more importantly recommendations from people locally


@lonechump , I don't know if you have a local college that run's joinery / building courses, but a couple of friends contacted their local one when they had some minor building work to be done, the lecturer was only too pleased to come out with some of his final year students to do the work for the experience - they did a good job too, constantly supervised - may be worth a thought
I bought a Youngman ladder from an online store a few years ago and found they were the cheapest and also really helpful when I had questions on installation, so worth checking Google before purchasing.

Am personally a fan of the Youngman metal ladders with a handle on either side - large steps and very sturdy.
Edited by: "arCuThEDOWDr" 21st Mar
jasee13 m ago

Do you need one then?


I do TBF, will measure up later and if its a straight swap i'll get it, if not I might have to stick to my web slingers
Fitted an optistep one and comes with side handle for 88.30 on EBay.



Edited by: "morrig" 21st Mar
Great find. Thanks OP.
A timber ladder is much more Christmas friendly than an aluminium one.
jasee14 h, 51 m ago

The main disadvantage with this is that, in these energy concious days, …The main disadvantage with this is that, in these energy concious days, there is no insulation on the hatch and it looks like it is impossible to fit any. It actually says the trap is 550 mm but it must mean 55mm which is 2+". Which seems thicker than it looks and it depends what the hatch is made of maybe soild MDF or laminated. The description says 'fully insulated' but I take that to mean 'fully windproof' ie there are seals round the hatch


The door is made of insulation foam with a hardboard skin, so yes it's insulated. The trap is 550mm wide because it's designed to fit within the 600mm spacing of trusses in a modern roof.

*Edit* Sorry, I misspoke, the door construction looks a bit different to the one I installed last year which was a Click Fix 26 model...

ladderstore.com/you…der
Edited by: "Berwhale" 22nd Mar
Dingdong00714 h, 40 m ago

As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes …As a basic DIYer is this too big a job? My past experience includes putting together IKEA items, a couple of curtain rails and gaming PC with the help of Youtube I do have a hatch currently so would be a replacement


I fitted one myself last year, but I would class myself as an experienced DIYer with a family background in construction.

The frame of this was the correct width to fit between the trusses in my loft, but I had to lengthen the opening which involved moving a noggin, removing some plasterboard and then making a new surround with some architrave I had lying around from a previous job.

For me, installing the new hatch and ladder was an essential first step before fitting 18 square meters of flooring in my loft...


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The hatch I installed is end of line and available from Toolmart in Portsmouth and Swansea for £70.80...

machinemart.co.uk/p/y…er/

Seems identical to the one posted by the OP apart from the hatch door construction.
Sell.Me22 h, 12 m ago

♫ Youngman, there's no need to fall down ♫♫ I said, youngman, …♫ Youngman, there's no need to fall down ♫♫ I said, youngman, step yourself to the ground ♫


Wooden ladders! Talk to me!
heathead21/03/2019 18:28

A timber ladder is much more Christmas friendly than an aluminium one.


What is "Christmas friendly"?
8ANNED21/03/2019 09:58

you'll get a better job and a better finish if you do it right.


that's a huge if.

just find a decent, skilled person that's been doing it for a while; that way you can avoid the cost of specific tools and the time.

I highly doubt you're as good a plasterer as someone who does it for a job. or a tiler. etc.
TheBestFreebieisHumour4 h, 44 m ago

What is "Christmas friendly"?


Let's say around Christmas time you need some storage out of sight of children, but you also need to retrieve said storage on Christmas Eve.
Installed one of these in my old house and it was great. Did need some modifying for the floor height / room / shape we had but worked once it was done.

Recently installed a metal loft ladder and plastic hatch in my current house and frankly wish i'd got one of these - almost thinking i might pick this up and swap them out, despite the repeat effort...
Thanks op, give me a job for tomorrow
On website the hatch size is 1130 x 115 x 550 mm. Are these right dimensions?
21916922/03/2019 14:11

On website the hatch size is 1130 x 115 x 550 mm. Are these right …On website the hatch size is 1130 x 115 x 550 mm. Are these right dimensions?


Sounds about right. Basically, it's twice as long as the square hatch you would find in a modern house with roof beams at 600mm centers.

The benefit of it being this size is that the ladder fits entirely within the dimensions of the hatch when folded i.e. you don't need any extra room in the loft to accommodate the ladder.

I think those dimensions are for the whole frame, not just the door...

youngmanaccess.com/uk/…300
Edited by: "Berwhale" 22nd Mar
Berwhale22/03/2019 15:34

Sounds about right. Basically, it's twice as long as the square hatch you …Sounds about right. Basically, it's twice as long as the square hatch you would find in a modern house with roof beams at 600mm centers.The benefit of it being this size is that the ladder fits entirely within the dimensions of the hatch when folded i.e. you don't need any extra room in the loft to accommodate the ladder.I think those dimensions are for the whole frame, not just the door...https://www.youngmanaccess.com/uk/en/view/34530300


But, 115mm can't be right.
21916922/03/2019 18:42

But, 115mm can't be right.


Isn't 115mm the depth of the frame, to match the thickness of the ceiling?
Delbert.Grady22/03/2019 19:08

Isn't 115mm the depth of the frame, to match the thickness of the ceiling?


Yes, the frame is 113mm deep, i doubt if your ceiling will be this think unless you live in a castle, mine is 9mm plasterboard
As a lifelong carpenter (now retired) I would like to add some input.

I would guess a proper quote (not estimate) would be around £150 unless it is London.

To fit then the following has to happen.

1. Assuming the dimensions needed are 900mm x 600mm for example, adjust frame cutting & inserting 3"x2" timber to 903mm x 603mm internal size. (the 3mm extra is for squaring & tolerance)

2. When enlarging the aperture, carefully cut through the lath & plaster with a saw at a low angle to prevent breakout.

3. When you have made the adjustments, measure diagonally across to ensure that the dimensions are exactly the same, if not tweak the frame using packers to bring it into square.

4. Spin the metal clips and drop the stairs in place ( a spare pair of hands is useful at this point)
the bottom edge should be exactly level with the ceiling.

5, When happy fix the unit in place, then fit architrave to complete the job

6. The top edge should be 18mm above the existing ceiling rafter to accommodate the new flooring.

ps
This is usually quite a messy job so make sure enough dust sheets are put down.

With a bit of care any competent diy er should be ok with this. (not checked but I would suggest looking on youtube)
Edited by: "nickgen" 24th Mar
Berwhale23/03/2019 10:00

Yes, the frame is 113mm deep, i doubt if your ceiling will be this think …Yes, the frame is 113mm deep, i doubt if your ceiling will be this think unless you live in a castle, mine is 9mm plasterboard



I think you misunderstand the point.

The 115mm is plaster, timber joist & clearance to allow for the new floor board so roughly.
75mm joist
18mm clearance
20mm lath & plaster
nickgen16 m ago

I think you misunderstand the point.The 115mm is plaster, timber joist & …I think you misunderstand the point.The 115mm is plaster, timber joist & clearance to allow for the new floor board so roughly.75mm joist18mm clearance20mm lath & plaster


I think you misunderstand the point that the ceiling is the bit you see from below

In any case, unless you are doing a full loft conversion (in which case, why are you even looking at this) or you are insulating your roof (i.e. converting to a 'warm loft') you need to include 250 to 270mm* of loft insulation in your calculation. The floor in my pictures above is laid on 175mm loft legs which raise it just enough to provide the required depth of insulation (75mm joist + 175mm leg = 250mm insulation filled void).

loftleg.com/

In my case I have left the large gap between the top of the hatch frame and the floor boards open, but I could easily extend the frame up to cover the insulation if desired.

*You can reduce this depth by using a sheet insulation like Celotex or Kingspan, but this works out expensive and has a bit of a reputation issue after Grenfell Tower.
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