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    10 Downing Street Petition against a state funeral for Thatcher - care to sign?

    Not my petition, but anyone who cares enough to sign it can do so here:

    petitions.pm.gov.uk/tha…al/

    53 Comments

    signing now.

    let the old bird have one..dont be so mean

    No way am I signing that

    She was the one PM we have had recently that understood the importance of the armed forces! She led us into the Falklands war, The Cold war and the first Gulf War

    We need more people like her in power

    She deserves one in the exact same way that Churchill got one, if she does get one I would even volunteer myself back into the armed forces if it meant I could be one of the sailors that carry her coffin

    is she dead?

    At least you knew where you were with Mags,

    Why does it matter to ppl enough to sign AGAINST ???

    No.....rather her have a state funeral than any of the Royal bludgers :x

    Signed :thumbsup:

    liddle ive left you feedback m8

    t0mm;2658128

    signing now.



    Surely you are too young to have a strong opinion of MT

    Perhaps it would be nice for the OP to say why he wants people to sign this

    Here's a good article on Maggie

    It was a minor skirmish in a remote part of the world, but Margaret … It was a minor skirmish in a remote part of the world, but Margaret Thatcher’s triumph in liberating the Falkland Islands in 1982 set the seal on Britain reclaiming its status as a major world power.. You have only to look at the crucial role British forces play today on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan to grasp the significance of the legacy Margaret Thatcher created with her momentous victory in the Falklands in 1982.Now it is almost taken for granted that Britain will be a key player in tackling the big issues of the day, whether it is waging war on Islamist militants in the Middle East and beyond, guaranteeing Kosovan independence or eradicating child poverty in Africa.But the revival of Britain’s status as a major world major power can be traced back directly to that bleak morning on March 19, 1982 when a group of Argentine scrap metal merchants hoisted their national flag on the remote British colonial outpost of South Georgia in the Falkland Islands.When the Argentine dictator General Leopoldo Galtieri ordered his forces to invade the Falkland Islands the following month, he did so believing that Britain neither had the strength nor the will-power to defend the interests of a remote collection of sparsely-populated islands located eight thousand miles away in the South Atlantic.But he had not reckoned on Margaret Thatcher’s steely determination who, despite the reservations expressed by senior military commanders and the Foreign Office – not to mention her own Cabinet – insisted on assembling a naval Task Force to rescue the beleaguered 1,800 islanders.The military campaign to liberate the Falklands was a close run thing. The bravery demonstrated by Argentine air force pilots posed a significant threat to the Royal Navy throughout the conflict, and the Argentine conscripts who had been dispatched to the occupy the islands put up stiff resistance.Although British forces ultimately prevailed, victory was by no means a certainty from the outset, and the two months between the Task Force leaving Britain and victory being proclaimed at Port Stanley on June 14 placed Margaret Thatcher under enormous pressure and provided the sternest test of her qualities as a leader since she took office.The liberation of the Falklands, which came at the cost of 236 British fatalities and the loss of a number of Royal Navy vessels, was a personal triumph for Margaret Thatcher and would prove to be the defining moment of her premiership.Not only did victory give her the courage and self-confidence to tackle pressing domestic issues such as the challenge posed to the government’s authority posed by militant trades unions, it restored Britain’s post-war status as a major world power.Whether it was confronting the Soviet Union or taking on the EU’s Brussels bureaucracy, British interests and British concerns could no longer be ignored.Today, with Britain’s armed forces stretched to breaking point by their current commitments to the world’s various war zones, it’s difficult to comprehend that when Margaret Thatcher came to office in May 1979 Britain had become a second rate power whose voice hardly countered for anything in the inner counsels of world affairs.Britain’s world view still seemed to be defined by the humiliating remark made by John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State, in the aftermath of the 1956 Suez crisis, that “Britain had lost an empire, but not yet found a role”.Margaret Thatcher’s election victory aside, the year 1979 will be remembered as an epoch-making moment in the development of the modern world.A year that began with a radical Islamic government taking power in Teheran ended with the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan.In between American President Jimmy Carter had helped negotiate the flawed Camp David peace treaty between Egypt and Israel which, though ending hostilities between Jerusalem and Cairo, made no serious attempt to address the plight of the Palestinians, an omission that continues to haunt us to this day.But Britain’s role in all of these momentous events was that of a helpless bystander, impotently watching as events spiralled out of control.In Iran British officials were so complacent that they failed to predict the radicalisation of the country’s clergy would result in the overthrow of a key pro-Western ally, while the British government’s protests at the Soviets’ usurpation of Afghan sovereignty hardly registered at the Kremlin.A country whose economy was in melt-down and where the government was battling to assert its own authority was hardly going to be in a position to disrupt Moscow’s audacious land grab in Central Asia.While Margaret Thatcher’s foremost priority on coming to power was, understandably, tackling Britain’s union-ravaged economy, there were nevertheless a number of opportunities that allowed her to demonstrate the uncompromising, robust approach to international crises that would later define her “Iron Lady” persona.When, in April 1980, terrorists seized control of the Iranian embassy in London and took the occupants hostage, Margaret Thatcher had no hesitation in ordering the SAS into action.The dramatic rescue operation, which was broadcast on television around the world, where balaclava-wearing SAS officers stormed the embassy building and rescued the hostages while killing most of the terrorists, immediately had the effect of raising Britain’s reputation around the world as a country not to be trifled with.The other crisis of the early 1980s that cemented Margaret Thatcher’s reputation as a conviction politician was the IRA hunger strikes in Northern Ireland during which a group of hard-core Irish prisoners led by Bobby Sands starved themselves to death.The protest was aimed at putting pressure on the British government to give political status to IRA activists who had been jailed for terrorist offences.Margaret Thatcher came under enormous international pressure to make concessions to the IRA, but she remained true to her philosophy of not giving in to the demands of people she regarded as terrorists, and the IRA was eventually forced to call off the hunger strikes by the distraught families of the hunger strikers. But not before ten IRA prisoners had starved themselves to death.If Margaret Thatcher’s reputation as a resolute and combative politician was built by her early approach to domestic and international issues, it was sealed by her stunning triumph in liberating the Falkland Islands in the summer of 1982, a victory that would provide her with the platform to dominate the world stage for the rest of the decade.But while many of her supporters regard the Falklands as her finest hour, it was her long-running ideological battle, and ultimate triumph, with the Soviet Union that will define her premiership as one of the greatest of the modern age, on a par with that of Winston Churchill.It was Margaret Thatcher’s immense good fortune that soon after she entered power she found herself with a political soul mate and close personal friend in residence at the White House.Ronald Reagan had met Margaret Thatcher on several occasions before entering the White House in 1981 when he had previously served as California’s Republican governor.According to Charles Powell, who worked as her foreign policy guru in Downing Street throughout most of the 1980s, they shared the same view that the detente espoused by Henry Kissinger during the 1970s had not succeeded in reducing the threat posed by the Soviet Union and hardline communist ideology.“Thatcher and Reagan wanted to defeat the Soviets, not tolerate them. In that respect the greatest news she had as prime minister was when Ronald Reagan was elected president,” explained Lord Powell.As soon as Reagan was firmly established at the White House the two leaders embarked on a policy of improving the West’s defensive capabilities, the most obvious manifestation of which in Britain was the deployment of nuclear-armed Cruise missiles at military bases around the country, which provoked widespread protests at places such as the RAF base at Greenham Common.As well as supporting an upgrade in the West’s military capability, Margaret Thatcher also personally spearheaded a campaign to open a dialogue with more moderate members of the Soviet politbureau, such as Mikhail Gorbachev, who was invited for talks at Downing Street in 1984.As she later remarked of the man who would oversee the dismantling of the Iron Curtain after he became Soviet president the following year, “I like Mr Gorbachev. We can do business together.”In return the Soviet military paper “Red Star” paid her the ultimate compliment by dubbing her the “Iron Lady”.The collapse of the Iron Curtain in 1989 was the direct result of the twin strategy adopted by Reagan and Thatcher, namely demonstrating the West’s military supremacy over the Soviet Union, while at the same time offering an olive branch to moderate politbureau members who realised the days of the “Evil Empire” were drawing to a close.The disintegration of the Soviet Union represented a stunning triumph for the Western democracies, equal to the Allies’ victory in the Second World War in terms of the effect it had on redrawing Europe’s ideological map.And the central role Margaret Thatcher played in achieving a famous victory ensured that Britain could call itself great once more.

    Banned

    she aint bleedin dead yet

    I doubt many Scottish people will sign after the income tax thing in the 80's

    Banned

    you made me think she had died!

    bite me;2658401

    you made me think she had died!



    And me... I had to google news it just incase I missed it when I was on holiday....:lol:

    That is one of the daftest things I have ever seen.

    LadyMadonna;2658428

    That is one of the daftest things I have ever seen.



    Par for the course on here. :-D

    Syzable;2658438

    Par for the course on here. :-D



    I know but that one really does take the biscuit.

    I think we should give her a choice. She can have a State Funeral next week or not at all.

    Dean

    Deanc1966;2658448

    I think we should give her a choice. She can have a State Funeral next … I think we should give her a choice. She can have a State Funeral next week or not at all.Dean



    That did make me :lol:

    lol ive googled to see if she had died lol

    What a totataly stupid petition and a likewise thread .Mrs Thatcher did a lot for this country and was highly respected amongst other worldwide leaders .She did fight for what she believed in ................remember The Faulklands .......and lots of other good cause's , not like the idiot Blair who was a instigator in the Good Friday Agreement that set free all the IRA bombers .

    What gets me is that the OP still has not said why he wants people to sign this, he has just posted this thread and ignored it since

    I would sooner they bury gordon brown alive than margaret thatcher dead.....................

    RedIron;2662085

    What gets me is that the OP still has not said why he wants people to … What gets me is that the OP still has not said why he wants people to sign this, he has just posted this thread and ignored it since



    First of all, he's not forcing anyone to sign. He has simply passed on the information and left the the choice of whether to sign or not up to us. He doesn't have to come on here and defend his actions, and in fact his post is free from the kind of exaggerated claims and opinions that usually accompany such threads (look above for examples!). The OP should be applauded imo - not criticised - for his objective stance on this issue. Unless of course you have something against the sharing of information itself? I think what probably "gets" you is the petition - and perhaps that you can't have an argument with the OP for posting it? Maybe..?

    1. She's not dead
    2. No one has said she will have a state funeral
    3. Does it really matter?... she'll be dead

    The only reasons I can see for her not to have one are the cost to the public and the effect it would have on the already stretched, armed forces.

    But then public money is always wasted by the government and they also like to get all they can out of the forces so it'll probably happen.

    She may have made mistakes as PM, show me one who hasn't but at least she had balls (ironicly) which is something that hasn't been seen in a PM since.

    Liddle ol' me;2662257

    First of all, he's not forcing anyone to sign. He has simply passed on … First of all, he's not forcing anyone to sign. He has simply passed on the information and left the the choice of whether to sign or not up to us. He doesn't have to come on here and defend his actions, and in fact his post is free from the kind of exaggerated claims and opinions that usually accompany such threads (look above for examples!). The OP should be applauded imo - not criticised - for his objective stance on this issue. Unless of course you have something against the sharing of information itself? I think what probably "gets" you is the petition - and perhaps that you can't have an argument with the OP for posting it? Maybe..?



    No but by posting the link he is praying on those who don't know really know anything about and hoping they just sign it without further thought.

    for example no offence meant ]t0mm

    And if he isn't recommending that anyone sign it merely just putting this here for information he should have said something along the lines of;

    In case anyone is interested here is the website for Downing Street E petitions, you'll find all sorts on there and it has a useful search box

    I myself decided to sign the petition against M Thatcher having a state funeral, bit that's just my personal belief and i'm not going to discuss my opinion with anyone, just completely ignore anyone who asks my opinion on my bold statement.

    LadyMadonna;2662333

    1. She's not dead2. No one has said she will have a state funeral3. Does … 1. She's not dead2. No one has said she will have a state funeral3. Does it really matter?... she'll be dead



    Only No. 1 is definitely correct. The issue of whether she should be given a state funeral seems to have been discussed at government and other levels, even though the government is at pains to avoid confirming this and making it an issue that overshadows economic ones (e.g. guardian.co.uk/pol…her ). As for no. 3, yes it does really matter for a number of important reasons, at least one of which you have already referred to. :thumbsup:

    ricko;2662068

    What a totataly stupid petition and a likewise thread .Mrs Thatcher did a … What a totataly stupid petition and a likewise thread .Mrs Thatcher did a lot for this country and was highly respected amongst other worldwide leaders .She did fight for what she believed in ................remember The Faulklands .......and lots of other good cause's , not like the idiot Blair who was a instigator in the Good Friday Agreement that set free all the IRA bombers .



    Opposed to Thatcher's "diplomatic" stance on Northern Ireland?
    But it's OK when UVF murderers are released?

    RedIron;2662437

    No but by posting the link he is praying on those who don't know really … No but by posting the link he is praying on those who don't know really know anything about and hoping they just sign it without further thought.[...]I myself decided to sign the petition against M Thatcher having a state funeral, bit that's just my personal belief and i'm not going to discuss my opinion with anyone, just completely ignore anyone who asks my opinion on my bold statement.



    Sharing information is preying on people! And since you use t0mm as an example, I can assure you that despite his tender years he is able to think about issues for himself, and, more importantly discuss them. It's laughable that you criticise the OP for leaving the interpretation up to the individual when you refuse to discuss your political views with anyone, preferring to just ignore those with different 'beliefs'? Carry on Democracy! :w00t:

    Liddle ol' me;2662439

    Only No. 1 is definitely correct. The issue of whether she should be … Only No. 1 is definitely correct. The issue of whether she should be given a state funeral seems to have been discussed at government and other levels, even though the government is at pains to avoid confirming this and making it an issue that overshadows economic ones (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/aug/02/harrietharman.margaretthatcher ). As for no. 3, yes it does really matter for a number of important reasons, at least one of which you have already referred to. :thumbsup:



    I can discuss planning my next trip to the moon. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.

    I bet you thought Barry George was guilty.

    I dont care what they do with her so i'm not going to sign.

    Liddle ol' me;2662489

    Sharing information is preying on people! And since you use t0mm as an … Sharing information is preying on people! And since you use t0mm as an example, I can assure you that despite his tender years he is able to think about issues for himself, and, more importantly discuss them. It's laughable that you criticise the OP for leaving the interpretation up to the individual when you refuse to discuss your political views with anyone, preferring to just ignore those with different 'beliefs'? Carry on Democracy! :w00t:



    Perhaps you should re read what I wrote

    LadyMadonna;2662494

    I can discuss planning my next trip to the moon. Doesn't mean it's going … I can discuss planning my next trip to the moon. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.I bet you thought Barry George was guilty.



    :? :thinking: :?

    Liddle ol' me;2662514

    :? :thinking: :?



    You seem to be a fan of all things circumstantial.

    RedIron;2662513

    Perhaps you should re read what I wrote



    You're right!! I think I read your statement too quickly. Sorry about that :oops:

    Liddle ol' me;2662529

    You're right!! I think I read your statement too quickly. Sorry about … You're right!! I think I read your statement too quickly. Sorry about that :oops:



    No problems :thumbsup:

    LadyMadonna;2662524

    You seem to be a fan of all things circumstantial.



    :? :thinking: :?

    is defo getting signed - will email it everyone i know aswell

    woman was a blight on the country and her death should not be afforded a state funeral which is seen as an honour for people who have made great contributions. She definitely did not
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