17 year old only gets a rehabilitation order

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17 year old far right neo Nazi convicted of making pipe bomb walks free.

He praised Tommy Mair as a hero on social media.

Is it just me who thinks he should be locked up and the key thrown away?

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Dont get me started

Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a deserted motorway gets a prison sentence despite having no criminal record, wife and kids and a steady job.........

I despair of this country sometimes.............

its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays.
they literally get a telling off for carrying a 12" dagger !
in my opinion if your carrying a knife, your ONLY carrying it for 1 reason, and thats to kill someone.
so in that respect, if caught carrying a knife you should receive a mandatory 10 years in prison, no ifs or buts !
but as with the guy above, luckily because he didn't kill anyone with it, as usual he walks free !

How must Jo Cox's family feel about this guys repulsive views?

mfactor you got a link?

mfactor

Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a … Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a deserted motorway gets a prison sentence despite having no criminal record, wife and kids and a steady job.........I despair of this country sometimes.............



​150 mph oO

Hardly 80 or 90!!

My very bright students go on to study medicine. At the other end of the scale they apply for ........ Law. Don't expect logic or even common sense.

after a few hours with the "deradicalisation expert" this yoof will turn into a fine upstanding citizen of Bradford (_;)

mfactor

Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a … Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a deserted motorway gets a prison sentence despite having no criminal record, wife and kids and a steady job.........I despair of this country sometimes.............



Fair enough the pipe bomb bloke should get a stiffer sentence (in my opinion) but why shouldn't the motorcyclist? Why should HE be allowed to decide what speed is acceptable on what sorts of roads? So....when it's 2am and dark it's OK to drive ridiculously fast? How does HE know there's nobody in front? He's not going 150mph because he thinks it's safe, he's doing it because HE wants to. You might as well say it's OK to drive when drunk when you think there'll not be anyone else on the road. Yes, I despair of this country too!!

ims2912

Fair enough the pipe bomb bloke should get a stiffer sentence (in my … Fair enough the pipe bomb bloke should get a stiffer sentence (in my opinion) but why shouldn't the motorcyclist? Why should HE be allowed to decide what speed is acceptable on what sorts of roads? So....when it's 2am and dark it's OK to drive ridiculously fast? How does HE know there's nobody in front? He's not going 150mph because he thinks it's safe, he's doing it because HE wants to. You might as well say it's OK to drive when drunk when you think there'll not be anyone else on the road. Yes, I despair of this country too!!



​i think his point is, the government and police seem to concentrate more on the motorist than terrorism !
personally i agree

I think it works like this

if he is white - this sentence is fine

Brown - he needs deporting

black - hang him

nonsense

Seriously totally at a loss to think how has the 17 year old Skipped a custodial sentence. He had extremist material, had pipe bombs and yet he wasn't charged with terrorism?

Admit it, if it was a Muslim, he'd be charged with terrorism.
Edited by: "EN1GMA" 13th Feb

miles136

I think it works like thisif he is white - this sentence is fineBrown - … I think it works like thisif he is white - this sentence is fineBrown - he needs deportingblack - hang him



​i think you 100% the wrong way round on that !

miles136

I think it works like thisif he is white - this sentence is fineBrown - … I think it works like thisif he is white - this sentence is fineBrown - he needs deportingblack - hang him



​this forum is a lot like our government cause if i would have wrote what you just wrote, but put anything about white people getting a worse sentence than black people, id be banned from the forum !
1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for others

What would be the point in locking him up?

g8spur

What would be the point in locking him up?



Exactly! ​Apart from acting as a deterrent perhaps oO

g8spur

What would be the point in locking him up?


so you're saying a person who has extreme right wing views, caught making pipe bombs should be let out back in society like nothing happened?

Pipe bomb? How are they going to rehabilitate him? Perhaps train him to be a plumber.

g8spur

What would be the point in locking him up?



​and i imagine that would still be your view if he was you next door neighbour !

Original Poster

EN1GMA

so you're saying a person who has extreme right wing views, caught making … so you're saying a person who has extreme right wing views, caught making pipe bombs should be let out back in society like nothing happened?



It was on the local news earlier tonight, disgraceful he wasn't locked up. his bedroom was covered in Nazi flags. he had been on marches with a now banned far right group.
he did 14 months on remand and walked free when sentenced today.

EN1GMA

so you're saying a person who has extreme right wing views, caught making … so you're saying a person who has extreme right wing views, caught making pipe bombs should be let out back in society like nothing happened?



Is that what happened? I'm saying there are different methods rather than incarceration when dealing with young offenders.

Edited by: "g8spur" 13th Feb

Original Poster

g8spur

Is that what happened? I'm saying there are different methods rather than … Is that what happened? I'm saying there are different methods rather than incarceration when dealing with young offenders.



​i really don't think his age should come into it, he wasn't 10 nicking sweets.

17yr old Muslim would have been locked up for making pipe bombs.

123thisisme

17yr old Muslim would have been locked up for making pipe bombs.



​if you catch a bloke climbing out your house window, wearing gloves and ski mask carrying a bag with swag written on it..... good chance hes a burgler !

mfactor

Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a … Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a deserted motorway gets a prison sentence despite having no criminal record, wife and kids and a steady job.........I despair of this country sometimes.............



Liked your comment in error.

I wouldn't like to be the one sweeping their remains off the motorway.

What about breaking that news to there family :(.

It's very different and not a fair comparison.

He should have been locked up, He's a terrorist, No different from any other group that wants to harm other people and should be treated the same.

lollypoplee

​i think his point is, the government and police seem to concentrate more … ​i think his point is, the government and police seem to concentrate more on the motorist than terrorism !personally i agree



Really, well he's not made it very well! There are regular instances of one or other motorist texting, speeding, drunk etc leading to one or more deaths and they're only charged with dangerous driving or less.....we know that driving at excessive speeds etc can lead to death in the same way that carrying a knife or planning a bomb can so how is it different? The only motorists that are discriminated against are the safe ones that have to share the roads with the selfish, ignorant and idiot drivers. I can't see how having a steady job, being married or having kids should be used as an excuse to get leniency. I don't know the particular case but maybe if he wants to see his wife and kids and keep his job he should try to avoid doing things that are going to take that away from him. A measure of personal responsibility would be good, rather than blaming everyone else for his actions.

shadey12

​i really don't think his age should come into it, he wasn't 10 nicking s … ​i really don't think his age should come into it, he wasn't 10 nicking sweets.



He also didn't get as far as doing anything serious. All I'm saying is short of "throwing away the key" there are a multitude of correctional actions that can be taken which are better suited in this scenario.

It always seems on this case people assume if they aren't locked up they are freely running around, living next door to us all. I'm sure that it's not the case.

lollypoplee

​this forum is a lot like our government cause if i would have wrote what … ​this forum is a lot like our government cause if i would have wrote what you just wrote, but put anything about white people getting a worse sentence than black people, id be banned from the forum !1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for others



​You'd be wrong but you wouldn't be banned X)

radium

Pipe bomb? How are they going to rehabilitate him? Perhaps train him to … Pipe bomb? How are they going to rehabilitate him? Perhaps train him to be a plumber.


Blockage clearing his specialty.

Original Poster

g8spur

He also didn't get as far as doing anything serious. All I'm saying is … He also didn't get as far as doing anything serious. All I'm saying is short of "throwing away the key" there are a multitude of correctional actions that can be taken which are better suited in this scenario. It always seems on this case people assume if they aren't locked up they are freely running around, living next door to us all. I'm sure that it's not the case.



he will be living next door to somebody tonight.

​quick search found this, teenager gets a student loan travels to join Isis, gets to border in Turkey, comes home after changing his mind. he has a IQ of 70. sentenced 5 years.

standard.co.uk/new…tml
Edited by: "shadey12" 13th Feb

lollypoplee

its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. … its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. they literally get a telling off for carrying a 12" dagger !in my opinion if your carrying a knife, your ONLY carrying it for 1 reason, and thats to kill someone. so in that respect, if caught carrying a knife you should receive a mandatory 10 years in prison, no ifs or buts !but as with the guy above, luckily because he didn't kill anyone with it, as usual he walks free !




well that just shows how ignorant you are.

lollypoplee

its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. … its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. they literally get a telling off for carrying a 12" dagger !in my opinion if your carrying a knife, your ONLY carrying it for 1 reason, and thats to kill someone. so in that respect, if caught carrying a knife you should receive a mandatory 10 years in prison, no ifs or buts !but as with the guy above, luckily because he didn't kill anyone with it, as usual he walks free !



​what if you're a travelling knife salesman? or on your way home from the knife shop? or a knife delivery man? a chef who's just been sacked and thus taking his knives home is going to get a double whammy if jailed as well as losing his job.

Sounds like a misc regular.

I wonder what his username was on here?

shauneco

He should have been locked up, He's a terrorist, No different from any … He should have been locked up, He's a terrorist, No different from any other group that wants to harm other people and should be treated the same.


But he was locked up - for 14 months oO

mfactor

Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a … Dont get me started :(Bloke on a motorbike does 150mph at 2am on a deserted motorway gets a prison sentence despite having no criminal record, wife and kids and a steady job.........I despair of this country sometimes.............



Good serves him right for being stupid

lollypoplee

its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. … its exactly the same as all the people caught carrying knives nowadays. they literally get a telling off for carrying a 12" dagger !in my opinion if your carrying a knife, your ONLY carrying it for 1 reason, and thats to kill someone. so in that respect, if caught carrying a knife you should receive a mandatory 10 years in prison, no ifs or buts !but as with the guy above, luckily because he didn't kill anyone with it, as usual he walks free !



Defense actually is normally why people carry and the bigger the better for frightening people off, if you actually wanted to kill someone something small like a screwdriver or ice pick would do the job, size matters for intimidating people into running away.

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Error440

Defense actually is normally why people carry and the bigger the better … Defense actually is normally why people carry and the bigger the better for frightening people off, if you actually wanted to kill someone something small like a screwdriver or ice pick would do the job, size matters for intimidating people into running away.



lol

You dont half come out with some classics.

In Somalia you might have half a point with phallic symbols.

shadey12

It was on the local news earlier tonight, disgraceful he wasn't locked … It was on the local news earlier tonight, disgraceful he wasn't locked up. his bedroom was covered in Nazi flags. he had been on marches with a now banned far right group.he did 14 months on remand and walked free when sentenced today.



But having views is no illegal, if it was half of HUKD would be locked up, I personally think its funny Americans aren't allowed to burn their own flags, that law imo is a affront to the notion of freedom.
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