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    £2,000 car scrappage scheme - what's going on with it?

    Evening all

    My car's in need of a replacement clutch kit along with other bits and pieces. It's 11 years old now and I could do with a new, but cheap upgrade. I may have got lucky with it screwing up now, as it looks like the government's £2,000 scheme for scrapping an older car will come into effect on the 22nd. Right? Is this almost a certainty now?

    I've seen an '08 Matiz at a dealership for £3995, as it's registered less than a year ago (June '08) from what I can gather it could qualify, taking the price down to £1995 after I've scrapped the old car. Factoring in insurance and tax, this is a fantastic deal as there is at least £400 that needs to go into my old car to get it going again.

    Would anyone know if it's as simple as waiting for the 22nd, then doing whatever has to be done to get a scrapping certificate for my car, then presenting it to (any) dealership in the UK?

    I haven't taken notice of this upcoming scheme until now, as this isn't really the sort of thing that'd benefit anyone outside of the car industry or someone who has a car that has just messed up big time like mine!

    Cheers!

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    gotta buy a gwiz tho

    lol

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    casparwhite;4947319

    gotta buy a gwiz tholol



    I thought when they said "economical" they were referring to something like that, or a Prius or whatever too... but from the few articles I've just read it seems any new car under a year old qualifies (an attempt to boost the failing car industry, the eco stuff is just added to keep everyone happy I think)

    Might be way off the mark though!

    Banned

    they announced incentives of between 2-5 grand on the news today for electric cars

    not too sure of the details but google knows

    I didn't realise anything was final yet, the most up to date information I can find (as of one day ago) is that such a scheme is being considered and the only details are those which groups are pushing for.

    John

    i thought it had to be a car of less than 3 years old that you were to buy with the money

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    most probably gonna be in the budget on the 22nd april

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    sn0ttyang3l;4947952

    i thought it had to be a car of less than 3 years old that you were to … i thought it had to be a car of less than 3 years old that you were to buy with the money



    you will have to buy new, its all about kick starting the economy as well as the environment

    Would it be possible to use the system by buying a cheap second hand car for a couple of hundred quid,
    then scrapping it to qualify for the £2000 of my car purchase.

    vincentj;4948727

    Would it be possible to use the system by buying a cheap second hand car … Would it be possible to use the system by buying a cheap second hand car for a couple of hundred quid,then scrapping it to qualify for the £2000 of my car purchase.



    what about buying a banger, px it for a new car and selling for a profit

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    sn0ttyang3l;4947952

    i thought it had to be a car of less than 3 years old that you were to … i thought it had to be a car of less than 3 years old that you were to buy with the money



    1 year from what I gather is proposed... 3 years would be nice

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    WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!

    I bought a 10 year old car because all I can afford is a 10 year old car!
    Even with £4,000 discount I could't afford a new car!
    This will only help folks who have bought their offspring a banger and use it to discount their own next new car.
    Absolute HORLICKS!

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    Pluun;4950759

    WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I … WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I can afford is a 10 year old car!Even with £4,000 discount I could't afford a new car!This will only help folks who have bought their offspring a banger and use it to discount their own next new car. Absolute HORLICKS!



    seems to work in other countries who have been doing it for years?

    better than nothing or do you expect them to swap your old car for a new 1?:thinking:

    Original Poster

    It seems everyone's holding off on buying cars until this is finalised. I could buy a '99 hatchback for £500-700, or get an almost new '08 for £1995 (after £2,000 reduction) with a manufacturers warranty 'til 2013. Decisions, decisions! Yeah, it's a Matiz, but I've always been a fan of cars everyone else loves to hate!

    Someone has a '99 Swift going for less than £600 with 12 months MOT, only 2 small advisories. Just need a cheap car, but a 4 year warranty on a new one is appealing. I'm afraid of shelling out again on keeping a 10 year old motor rolling.

    Pluun;4950759

    WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I … WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I can afford is a 10 year old car!Even with £4,000 discount I could't afford a new car!This will only help folks who have bought their offspring a banger and use it to discount their own next new car. Absolute HORLICKS!



    haha

    Original Poster

    *BUMP*

    So it's been announced - trade in (scrap) a car 10 or more years old and get £2,000 off a new one.

    Question: What constitutes as 'new'? Would a car that was registered less than a year ago (June '08) that's done 9000 miles be covered?

    Let's get to the bottom of this!

    TGB;4998367

    *BUMP*So it's been announced - trade in (scrap) a car 10 or more years … *BUMP*So it's been announced - trade in (scrap) a car 10 or more years old and get £2,000 off a new one.Question: What constitutes as 'new'? Would a car that was registered less than a year ago (June '08) that's done 9000 miles be covered?Let's get to the bottom of this!



    I doubt new would mean anything other than brand new from a dealer. We'll know soon enough - BBC site should have details.

    TGB;4998367

    *BUMP*So it's been announced - trade in (scrap) a car 10 or more years … *BUMP*So it's been announced - trade in (scrap) a car 10 or more years old and get £2,000 off a new one.Question: What constitutes as 'new'? Would a car that was registered less than a year ago (June '08) that's done 9000 miles be covered?Let's get to the bottom of this!



    I'd imagine it would have to be new, as in date of first registration after today, not used (9000 miles) is 2nd hand is it not?

    And, the whole thing stops next March. :roll:

    ive got an old 1999 ford focus i could do with a new one but don't new cars loose thousands of pounds soon as you drive them off the forcourt? :thinking:

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    slinkydonkey;4999889

    ive got an old 1999 ford focus i could do with a new one but don't new … ive got an old 1999 ford focus i could do with a new one but don't new cars loose thousands of pounds soon as you drive them off the forcourt? :thinking:



    Yes value plummets immediatly.

    Why bring this scheme out to try get people buying new cars and then increase fuel duty which will in turn stop people from getting cars

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    casparwhite;4950877

    seems to work in other countries who have been doing it for years?better … seems to work in other countries who have been doing it for years?better than nothing or do you expect them to swap your old car for a new 1?:thinking:



    Of course I don't.
    I don't expect anything.
    I also don't expect anyone who is driving a 10 year old car to suddenly be able to go out and buy a new one.
    I thought my point was clear but I obviously didn't allow for those who are hard of understanding.

    I know several people with old cars who can easily afford new ones but have chosen not to get them for various reasons. One person I know well who is VERY wealthy drives a 12-year old Jaguar...

    Pluun;5000039

    Of course I don't.I don't expect anything.I also don't expect anyone who … Of course I don't.I don't expect anything.I also don't expect anyone who is driving a 10 year old car to suddenly be able to go out and buy a new one.I thought my point was clear but I obviously didn't allow for those who are hard of understanding.



    Somehow I agree. IMO this sheme is non sense and why help people to get a brand new car ? Why not to contribute towards new TV or washing mashine?

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    Xpenny;5000446

    Somehow I agree. IMO this sheme is non sense and why help people to get a … Somehow I agree. IMO this sheme is non sense and why help people to get a brand new car ? Why not to contribute towards new TV or washing mashine?



    Because the motor industry is struggling so more new cars means more production and work. Also newer cars tend to be greener so kinder to the environment

    Xpenny;5000446

    Somehow I agree. IMO this sheme is non sense and why help people to get a … Somehow I agree. IMO this sheme is non sense and why help people to get a brand new car ? Why not to contribute towards new TV or washing mashine?



    Because it gets old, polluting cars off the roads and helps the motor industry, both important government targets atm.

    but I personally don't agree that this is a 'green' response

    Paddy Charlie;5000477

    Because the motor industry is struggling so more new cars means more … Because the motor industry is struggling so more new cars means more production and work. Also newer cars tend to be greener so kinder to the environment



    I know this, just don't agree with it that's alll.

    Liddle ol' me;5000496

    Because it gets old, polluting cars off the roads and helps the motor … Because it gets old, polluting cars off the roads and helps the motor industry, both important government targets atm.but I personally don't agree that this is a 'green' response



    +1

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    Shambolic;4998473

    I'd imagine it would have to be new, as in date of first registration … I'd imagine it would have to be new, as in date of first registration after today, not used (9000 miles) is 2nd hand is it not?And, the whole thing stops next March. :roll:



    Alistair Darling announced a car scrappage scheme in the budget, in which motorists will receive £2,000 if they sell their old car and buy a new model. Photograph: Graeme Robertson

    Motorists will receive £2,000 if they sell their old car and buy a new model
    , after the chancellor bowed to pressure from the automotive sector and announced a car scrappage scheme this afternoon.

    Car and van owners whose vehicle was bought more than 10 years ago will be given £2,000 towards a brand new vehicle. The scheme will expire in March next year and follows similar moves by major European countries, including France and Germany.

    But the car industry will have to contribute £1,000 to the grant and it will not be restricted to greener vehicles. The "cash for clunkers" programme will also be markedly smaller than Germany's, which is investing €5bn (£4.49bn) and has boosted sales by 40%. By contrast, the UK version will cost £600m and will end earlier than expected if the money runs out before March.

    The beleaguered car industry welcomed the scheme, which has been trumpeted within the cabinet by Lord Mandelson, the business secretary.

    "The introduction of a vehicle scrappage scheme will boost the new car market, encourage consumers to get back into car showrooms, and reduce the likelihood of employee downsizing in this sector," said Paul Williams, chairman of the Retail Motor Industry Federation.

    Paul Everitt, chief executive of trade body the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), said: "This is very good news for car and light-vehicle buyers. It will kick-start demand in the market place."

    However the AA warned that a shock increase in fuel duty, also announced today, would more than cover the scheme's costs and was effectively "giving with one hand and taking with the other".

    Industry observers said the programme would boost sales of smaller cars such as the Ford Fiesta and the Toyota Yaris, which are not normally discounted.

    Vauxhall has been offering a £1,000 scrappage scheme for customers who trade in their old car for 18 months. About 12,000 people have taken advantage of the offer. General Motors UK, its parent firm, welcomed the budget scheme, which would boost the discount the company could offer on new Astras and other models. It added that the offer would get more people through showroom doors.
    source:guardian.co.uk/uk/…med

    how old must the car be to qualify for the £2000?

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    I say again.
    "WHO THE HECK THAT IS RUNNING A 10 YEAR OLD CAR CAN AFFORD A NEW ONE?
    Even with £2,000 off?
    Wouldn't they have a new or newer car already?

    Original Poster

    ALICOM007;5001152

    how old must the car be to qualify for the £2000?



    Old car must be 10 or more years. New one must be ______
    Can anyone confirm that the 'new' car must be BRAND NEW from a dealership? Until today most people were saying that a 'new' car constituted as any car registered in the last 12 months, and that you'd be supplied a certificate after you've qualified which you can present to ANY dealership in the UK.

    I'm seeing so many conflicting messages about this everywhere I've looked. A Ctrl+F of the budget itself doesn't give me any real answers! Could really do with calling up Darling and asking for a copy of the small print.

    its one that has not been registered yet - therefore first name on the registration document must be yours - it's obvious that the car dealers will just put up their prices too and i agree if you've got a car thats 10 or more years 2 grand aint gonna make a difference to buying a new one

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    Liddle ol' me;5000107

    I know several people with old cars who can easily afford new ones but … I know several people with old cars who can easily afford new ones but have chosen not to get them for various reasons. One person I know well who is VERY wealthy drives a 12-year old Jaguar...


    Aye and I bet he doesn't go n swap it for a new Jag, just cos it's 2 grand cheaper.

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    sn0ttyang3l;5003834

    its one that has not been registered yet - therefore first name on the … its one that has not been registered yet - therefore first name on the registration document must be yours - it's obvious that the car dealers will just put up their prices too and i agree if you've got a car thats 10 or more years 2 grand aint gonna make a difference to buying a new one



    Damn, that well and truly sucks then. Everyone knows dealerships are a damn site more expensive than buying privately anyway.

    Unless I can find an insanely cheap deal from a dealership I'm just going to go ahead and spend £500 on a '99 Suzuki Swift.

    Paddy Charlie;5000477

    Because the motor industry is struggling so more new cars means more … Because the motor industry is struggling so more new cars means more production and work. Also newer cars tend to be greener so kinder to the environment



    And if you need a larger engine for towing, you will have to pay £400 a year for road tax, like I do.

    Pluun;5003914

    Aye and I bet he doesn't go n swap it for a new Jag, just cos it's 2 … Aye and I bet he doesn't go n swap it for a new Jag, just cos it's 2 grand cheaper.



    Not everyone drives a car for the registration year plate. If I had a quality car from nearly new which I'd looked after, I'd keep it too, as long as it was reliable.

    Remember that many of the NEW cars sold between now and next March will have been lying rusting in a yard somewhere for the past 18 months already.

    Pluun;4950759

    WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I … WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF CARP!I bought a 10 year old car because all I can afford is a 10 year old car!Even with £4,000 discount I could't afford a new car!This will only help folks who have bought their offspring a banger and use it to discount their own next new car.Absolute HORLICKS!



    So because YOU can't afford a new car it's a crap scheme? BWahahahahaha that's hilarious.

    306maxi;5016795

    So because YOU can't afford a new car it's a crap scheme? BWahahahahaha … So because YOU can't afford a new car it's a crap scheme? BWahahahahaha that's hilarious.



    I don't know what's hilarious about it as it's a view I see commonly with those using older cars - £2,000 isn't the difference being able to afford a new car and not being able to afford one especially as many cars will lose more than 2,000 pounds in their first couple of years of depreciation (my own car lost 8,000 pounds in its first two years).

    John

    Johnmcl7;5016860

    I don't know what's hilarious about it as it's a view I see commonly with … I don't know what's hilarious about it as it's a view I see commonly with those using older cars - £2,000 isn't the difference being able to afford a new car and not being able to afford one especially as many cars will lose more than 2,000 pounds in their first couple of years of depreciation (my own car lost 8,000 pounds in its first two years). John


    Here's a car that pretty much everyone can afford which will be as cheap as anything to run. Sure it's not a replacement for a family saloon but for a lot of people it will be just fine and will be amazingly cheap to run and insure.
    fiatsupasaver.com/Ite…=20

    I'm either going to buy myself a Fiat Panda or a Fiat 500 and I'm not exactly minted shall we say £2000 goes a long way with a small car

    Having 4K to spend on a new car is still a reasonable amount of money, my friend who has just scrapped her car as she just couldn't afford repairs has managed to scrape together 2K for a clean Astra. If she'd been given 2K for her old car she wouldn't have been able to buy a new car that size, at best if she could have bought anything it would have been a Matiz as mentioned in this thread which isn't at all suitable for her needs.

    The Panda isn't a bad car but it is small particularly in the boot area and I'd hardly call the 1.2 'lively' as even my 1.1 litre Metro had more pace. Personally if I had the choice between a new Panda for 4,000 or a secondhand car I'd choose the latter - the last car I bought for 4,000 pounds was a Skoda Octavia 1.9 turbodiesel. It was a large spacious car with a simply enormous boot (the biggest of any of the cars using that platform) that could swallow anything, the turbodiesel engine was very frugal and cheap to tax yet it was still a great cruiser as the turbo gave it plenty of pull when it was running at speed. Underneath it was all VW parts which meant strong reliability and low repair bills. While I'm sure there are people like yourself that will trade off some of these features against a new car (which is fair enough, I'm not criticising that at all) there are plenty more who understandably don't want to.

    Parkers have an article up which points out some of the downsides, some of which aren't so obvious from the outset:

    parkers.co.uk/New…ts/

    One of the main points is that the scheme is voluntary so it may well be while you have your eye on a budget car, the manufacturer may not give you the 2,000 pounds for your old car on that particular model. Also it doesn't count for preregistered cars (which are often quite a bit less than list price), the car has to be either unregistered at purchase or registered from now on (not clear on that point).

    John

    Johnmcl7;5016968

    Having 4K to spend on a new car is still a reasonable amount of money, my … Having 4K to spend on a new car is still a reasonable amount of money, my friend who has just scrapped her car as she just couldn't afford repairs has managed to scrape together 2K for a clean Astra. If she'd been given 2K for her old car she wouldn't have been able to buy a new car that size, at best if she could have bought anything it would have been a Matiz as mentioned in this thread which isn't at all suitable for her needs. The Panda isn't a bad car but it is small particularly in the boot area and I'd hardly call the 1.2 'lively' as even my 1.1 litre Metro had more pace. Personally if I had the choice between a new Panda for 4,000 or a secondhand car I'd choose the latter - the last car I bought for 4,000 pounds was a Skoda Octavia 1.9 turbodiesel. It was a large spacious car with a simply enormous boot (the biggest of any of the cars using that platform) that could swallow anything, the turbodiesel engine was very frugal and cheap to tax yet it was still a great cruiser as the turbo gave it plenty of pull when it was running at speed. Underneath it was all VW parts which meant strong reliability and low repair bills. While I'm sure there are people like yourself that will trade off some of these features against a new car (which is fair enough, I'm not criticising that at all) there are plenty more who understandably don't want to.Parkers have an article up which points out some of the downsides, some of which aren't so obvious from the outset:http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Budget-2009-sub-home/Cash-for-scrap-The-facts/One of the main points is that the scheme is voluntary so it may well be while you have your eye on a budget car, the manufacturer may not give you the 2,000 pounds for your old car on that particular model. Also it doesn't count for preregistered cars (which are often quite a bit less than list price), the car has to be either unregistered at purchase or registered from now on (not clear on that point).John


    I do agree. Certainly someone trading in a large 4 door saloon is still going to have to spend a lot of money to get a comparable new car. But a lot of people are downsizing at the moment. I've actually got an R reg 406 turbo diesel with a blown headgasket which all things going well I'll trade in against a Fiat Panda or a 500 and downsize in terms of fuel, maintenance, insurance, road tax and so on and so forth.

    I certainly don't think this is necessarily a scheme for the sort of person who has a 4 door saloon and wants something the same but new, but a lot of people who have a car which was too big already will be able to downsize for a lot less than just going out and buying a new car. I'm not the sort of person who would ever have bought a new car but for me this is just too good an opportunity to miss out on to get a car which is specced as I want it and which comes with a full warranty. Not for everyone but I think this deal is a lot better than others make it out to be.

    I've just noticed Fiat have put up a scrappage offer now.
    fiat.co.uk/Con…415 only £400 cheaper than what you can get it for online but still it's a saving.

    That Panda isn't the same as the one you posted above as it's a lower model and a Panda is a heck of a downsize in both size and power for many people - even I found it small and that's after driving a Metro for many years. Plus I think you're overstating the benefits somewhat - my current non-new car develops 150bhp and its ingear acceleration is enough to put a 3 litre straight six BMW to shame plus it produces as much torque as the VW 3.2 V6. Now you'd think this must be a pricey car to run but it's actually more fuel efficient than the 1.2 Fiat Panda and it's in the same tax band however as a four door saloon it has far more space and it's a safer car to be in for a crash.

    I still remain unconvinced this is going to lift the car industry on the whole as I think those who benefit from this scheme are relatively isolated and I am concerned about the larger scale implications.

    John

    Johnmcl7;5017149

    That Panda isn't the same as the one you posted above as it's a lower … That Panda isn't the same as the one you posted above as it's a lower model and a Panda is a heck of a downsize in both size and power for many people - even I found it small and that's after driving a Metro for many years. Plus I think you're overstating the benefits somewhat - my current non-new car develops 150bhp and its ingear acceleration is enough to put a 3 litre straight six BMW to shame plus it produces as much torque as the VW 3.2 V6. Now you'd think this must be a pricey car to run but it's actually more fuel efficient than the 1.2 Fiat Panda and it's in the same tax band however as a four door saloon it has far more space and it's a safer car to be in for a crash.I still remain unconvinced this is going to lift the car industry on the whole as I think those who benefit from this scheme are relatively isolated and I am concerned about the larger scale implications.John


    I very much doubt any 10 year old 4 door saloon will be better in a crash. For instance my 406 is a 1 or 2 star NCAP car whereas the Panda is a 3 star car.

    I also do realise it's not the same car, I merely posted it because it's the first scrappage deal Fiat have come out with.

    We have a 15 year old Subaru and it puts a good deal of modern cars to shame in terms of performance, so I get where you're coming from, I also understand that some people prefer older cars and I'm generally in the same boat. I really do hate most cars on sale at the moment.

    Like I said this won't be for everyone, but this will actually help a fair few people into a new car.
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