# 4 Week's, 30 day's or 31 ?

Found 4th Sep 2011
Sound's abit silly but trying to see who's right . My friend was signed off work and his doctor stated down one month for absence, now do you just take that as 4 weeks(28day's) or would you say 30 or even 31 days?
In dog calendar or human?
28 days in my opinion. Probably wrong though lol
By my calculations he should have been back to work before he even got out of the doctors surgery.
28 days I'd say. I can't see him signing him off for 4.3 / 4.4 weeks?
From one date to the previous corresponding day of the next month.

i.e if he was signed off on the 13th Sep, he is off up to and including the 12th Oct.
It can get complicated if it happens on the end of the month.

So, 4 weeks and 30/31 days can be correct, but by luck, and not design.
Edited by: "thesaint" 4th Sep 2011
Depends on the month of the year.
4 WORKING WEEKS.
He handed his line in on the 8th August, i basically thought it would have ended tomorrow 5th sept, so 4 week's id have thought but this is where he started mumbling alot of nonsense
He would be back at work on the 8th Sep or the next working day afterwards.
Cheer's folk's, guess he was right then, im so going to never hear the end of it now as that's what he's like when he's right.
lol I'd agree with thesaint but does it not say what day it ends on on the certificate?
no, just the bit on sick line that states (this is the case for) well he has just put in "one month"
There is the usual bit on which usally a date goes in on lines "from and to" but as mentioned above he filled only that in.
Another in agreement with thesaint. If the chit says "1 month" then it's one calendar month, if it says "4 weeks" then that's different.
Surely the sick leave should finish at the stage that your friend is well enough to return to work regardless of when the sick note runs out? If your friend is well enough to return to work tomorrow then he should do so instead of sitting at home and having a paid holiday at the expense of everyone else.
lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to work tomorrow after a month off due to bleeding in pregnancy... I haven't received any financial help whatsoever, me and OH have really been struggling on just his wage.
Also, I stopped bleeding about 5 days ago, should I have gone back to work right away?
Edited by: "Dehumanization" 4th Sep 2011
Dehumanization

lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to … lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to work tomorrow after a month off due to bleeding in pregnancy... I haven't received any financial help whatsoever, me and OH have really been struggling on just his wage. Also, I stopped bleeding about 5 days ago, should I have gone back to work right away?

sbeard1 isn't saying that. To ask how long a sick note month is for suggests the person who has the sick note is looking to stay off for the fully allotted time. If he/she is better, then he/she should go to work before the sick note ends. If not, then they should go back to the doctor and get another one.

I'd have thought that was common sense

No wonder there is an increasing divide between employers and employees. Someone gets a sick note for a 2 weeks and what would you know, they are off work for exactly two weeks! Incredible how doctors nowadays predict with such accuracy how long a person will be ill for......oO

Edited by: "JonnyTwoToes" 5th Sep 2011
Where I used to work (LGA) we weren't ALLOWED back to work while a sick note was still in force, one had to get authorisation of fitness for work from the same doctor.
FrootCake

Where I used to work (LGA) we weren't ALLOWED back to work while a sick … Where I used to work (LGA) we weren't ALLOWED back to work while a sick note was still in force, one had to get authorisation of fitness for work from the same doctor.

Out of interest, did many people do that? (Go back to the doctor to prove their fitness?)
JonnyTwoToes

Out of interest, did many people do that? (Go back to the doctor to … Out of interest, did many people do that? (Go back to the doctor to prove their fitness?)

Some did, but they were the long term sick people, generally with serious illnesses like Cancer or something shocking and life altering, like a stroke. These were the people who no-one was gossiping about being lazy or shirking their jobs, and no one would have minded if they spent the rest of their working life (which mightn't have been long) 'off sick'. They often had notes written for 6 months at a time, or just a letter of diagnosis and we would tell them just to take care, and that the job would still be there if they ever wanted it. Often (I found) that after a period to deal with what is happening to them, they wanted to come back, albeit part-time and flexibly - so we would just ask for a doctors note saying they were fit to do this. They didn't need to come back as were on full sick pay. Those we would gossip about, off for two weeks with the 'flu, annually, with maybe another bout of it at Christmas time, could often be seen shopping, and on occasion, at the Zoo/Cinema - and when it was suggested to them they should come back to work if they were 'better' they said they couldn't get an appointment with the same Doctor. We did start to utilise our own Occupation Therapist person to do a quick return-to-work rather than wait for the sick note to expire, but the Unions got hold of that and went ballistic. Proper Doctor or wait for the note to expire. Local Government red tape. Stupid, expensive and never going to change.
^^^^ Very humbling when you know there are people wanting to return to work who are terminally ill.
Sort of get you JTT, and my manager would rather me get a fit note but tbh I can't be bothered. Seen enough unhelpful people in the past 6 weeks already fed up of being stressed and confused. It was the "paid holiday at the expense of everybody else" that was irritating, because I can't even get SSP.
JonnyTwoToes

Someone gets a sick note for a 2 weeks and what would you know, they are … Someone gets a sick note for a 2 weeks and what would you know, they are off work for exactly two weeks! Incredible how doctors nowadays predict with such accuracy how long a person will be ill for......oO

Your reasoning process is rather simplistic.

My Dr has been in practice for years, and I would guess he would have a better idea of how long someone would be ill for, which should also include time for recuperation and the time to not spread disease and germs if a patient is contagious.

I'm guessing you don't employ people.
Dehumanization

lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to … lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to work tomorrow after a month off due to bleeding in pregnancy... I haven't received any financial help whatsoever, me and OH have really been struggling on just his wage. Also, I stopped bleeding about 5 days ago, should I have gone back to work right away?

Are you a contractor, or something?
thesaint

Your reasoning process is rather simplistic.My Dr has been in practice … Your reasoning process is rather simplistic.My Dr has been in practice for years, and I would guess he would have a better idea of how long someone would be ill for, which should also include time for recuperation and the time to not spread disease and germs if a patient is contagious.I'm guessing you don't employ people.

You guess wrong. I'm a strong believer in team work. Funny how I haven't had a sick day in 7 years - I think you'll find most people with strong work ethic will say the same.

Not to say that there aren't extreme cases where people do need to stay at home of course (examples above).
No I'm only on a 12 hour contract at work so can't get SSP.

Btw just because I'm on a 12 hour contract doesn't mean I only work 12 hours a week before people start jumping to conclusions.
Dehumanization hope things are all better now. scary stuff, glad u took it easy
They are thankyou MB
Dehumanization

Sort of get you JTT, and my manager would rather me get a fit note but … Sort of get you JTT, and my manager would rather me get a fit note but tbh I can't be bothered. Seen enough unhelpful people in the past 6 weeks already fed up of being stressed and confused. It was the "paid holiday at the expense of everybody else" that was irritating, because I can't even get SSP.

Bleeding though pregnancy? These cases are what sick notes are for. Hope things are better for you now?
*pokes above post* thankyou.
Dehumanization

lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to … lol at "paid holiday at the expense of everyone else." I'm going back to work tomorrow after a month off due to bleeding in pregnancy... I haven't received any financial help whatsoever, me and OH have really been struggling on just his wage. Also, I stopped bleeding about 5 days ago, should I have gone back to work right away?

Why are you making out that I'm having a personal go at you? I'm sorry that you've had problems with your pregnancy and that you personally can't get SSP and I would have thought that it's pretty obvious from my post that you are not one of the people that I am having a go at. The fact is however that the vast majority of people can get SSP and many simply get full pay whilst off sick. Everyone knows someone who takes more time off than they should just because they have a sick note that hasn't expired and these people are taking a paid holiday at everyone elses expense, particularly their colleagues and their employers. Regards your question "Should I have gone back to work right away?" I have no idea whether you should have or not, only you and your doctor know if you were well enough or not. If yes then yes but if not then no.
JonnyTwoToes

You guess wrong. I'm a strong believer in team work. Funny how I … You guess wrong. I'm a strong believer in team work. Funny how I haven't had a sick day in 7 years - I think you'll find most people with strong work ethic will say the same.Not to say that there aren't extreme cases where people do need to stay at home of course (examples above).

So you would encourage your employee who is sneezing to come into work to spread it to the team?
Have none of your employees had a day off in 7 years too?
Aren't you currently suffering through illness JTT?
thesaint

So you would encourage your employee who is sneezing to come into work to … So you would encourage your employee who is sneezing to come into work to spread it to the team?Have none of your employees had a day off in 7 years too?

Now I feel you are being too simplistic.

My point is not about coming to work when ill, it is about getting as much time off as you can (up until the last day of the sick note).
master_chief

Aren't you currently suffering through illness JTT?

Yes, and still waiting for that TLC MC........
Wasn't making out like you were having a personal attack at me O_O why would I? You don't always know the circumstance is what I meant, again it was the 'paid holiday at other people's expense' that baffled me, sorry.
Are you serious ?( Arabs are all the same lol) Its obviously the end of the previous day on the following month ! ie One month sick note from now would expire the end of 5th October !!

Edited by: "geedub" 6th Sep 2011
"paid holiday at other peoples expense" = when somebody is taking time off work even though they are well enough to be at work someone else always pays for it. If they get SSP then it's the tax payer. If the get full pay, it's their employer. In every case, whether they get any money or not, it's their colleagues (having to cover), their employer (having to pay for cover) and the economy (lost revenue).