8 hour unpaid trial shift

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Posted 1st Mar
Hello everyone,

I have been invited to a 8 hour trial shift at a small business. I think it is not worth doing 8 hours for free and then I may not even get the job. How can I politely respond and say although I would like this job I’m not prepared to work 8 hours for free. I would like the job but there are other jobs out there. I don’t even know if this is legal?

Thanks in advance
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You said "I would like this job"

You have to ask yourself...

1) Do you want to take the gamble that doing 8 hours free work will lead to a job that pays? - OR
2) Sit on your ass for 8 hours still not being paid, that will definitely not lead to a job?

In my opinion, do the 8 hours free. It's experience and may lead to a job. Your choice!
if it's for min. wage - they are trying to get free labour....generally min. wage jobs should be a job for anyone to do
Really? It’s 8hrs. 1 shift. It gives you enough time to realise whether you can do it for a while, til you find another job.
People do a weeks trial for free
8 hours is no big deal time me
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People do a weeks trial for free
8 hours is no big deal time me
snoopy1801/03/2020 00:32

People do a weeks trial for free 8 hours is no big deal time me


Really? I’m only applying for a minimum wage job.
You can never guarantee when the next job will come along. 8 hours is nothing.
Really? It’s 8hrs. 1 shift. It gives you enough time to realise whether you can do it for a while, til you find another job.
What’s the job and what is it doing.
You said "I would like this job"

You have to ask yourself...

1) Do you want to take the gamble that doing 8 hours free work will lead to a job that pays? - OR
2) Sit on your ass for 8 hours still not being paid, that will definitely not lead to a job?

In my opinion, do the 8 hours free. It's experience and may lead to a job. Your choice!
if it's for min. wage - they are trying to get free labour....generally min. wage jobs should be a job for anyone to do
officialryanfox01/03/2020 01:51

if it's for min. wage - they are trying to get free labour....generally …if it's for min. wage - they are trying to get free labour....generally min. wage jobs should be a job for anyone to do



I can't think of any job that someone could just step in to and do to the full potential of giving 'free labour'. Training on procedures etc would take up the time of the employer. Probably worth a damn lot more than they would gain from it.

Like I said in my previous post the OP has two choices with what to do with the 8 hours.

1) Do you want to take the gamble that doing 8 hours free work will lead to a job that pays? - OR
2) Sit on your ass for 8 hours still not being paid, that will definitely not lead to a job?
i'd have to say it's up to OP - is this a place you want to work or do you think it's a dishwashing job at a dodgy takeaway that are trying to get free labour; for this 8 hours will you have to be supervised by another member of staff and be learning something you can use elsewhere or are they just gonna use ya with no expectations of you coming back.

if you can learn something then go for it, if it leads to a job then bonus. If it's clearly a p-take walk out and chuck a bad review on google
Absolute bs. Would the company pay you a 8h day for not attending course not. Just employers trying to take the mick and get free labor.
Does the employer know your current job situation?
It's a good opportunity to check them out as an employer (interviews are very blue sky, the first day / week is the test) to see if you like the idea of working there.
Love__Bargains01/03/2020 00:33

...I don’t even know if this is legal?


Gov & HMRC's recent opinion is no issue if trial is part of legitimate recruitment process. Ramble and examples of legit and not legit at Gov site:
gov.uk/gov…age
80% of jobs I’ve had have had trials, I’ve had over 30 jobs over the years and then there the jobs I’ve had trials for and not got and sometimes turned down after I’ve had the trial as it was a rubbish place to work or not my type of people. some paid most not and ranged from 4-8 hrs.. I’m remembering 34 jobs up to now but more will come back to me....

they might have had a lot of employees so want to trial to make sure they and yourself are suited. If you want to work do the trial. People lie on cvs so a trial is the best way to see what you can do..
Edited by: "Bargainhead" 1st Mar
I think it's great that you can see your potential new job / co-workers before leaving your current job


Or are you currently unemployed with nothing to do? In which case, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
My cousin who was 20 at the time with 0 prior experience except dropping out of uni - volunteered doing retail at a charity shop for 2 months before they gave him a job because it was a small town and he doesn't drive, the jobs were scarce. He's been working there for 2+ years now and he manages the shop.

There are a lot of people in the exact same position as you who are the exact same as you who would be more than happy to do the 8 hours for the option of it MAYBE leading to a job.

This is unfortunately how the world works now and no one on a deal site is going to be able to change that as much as they all would like to think.

Do the 8 hours.
Although it says its a trial shift, does it specifically say unpaid trial shift op?
The way I would look at it is, if this is a specific job (specialist role) then I would do the trial, if it's general job like waitering service tell them your happy to do a PAID TRIAL only!
Are you currently claiming benefits and have applied for the job? If you have then, I don't think you really have an option as they'll no doubt notify your local jobcentre if you didn't turn up for the trial they offered.
Soldyoursoul01/03/2020 08:15

Are you currently claiming benefits and have applied for the job? If you …Are you currently claiming benefits and have applied for the job? If you have then, I don't think you really have an option as they'll no doubt notify your local jobcentre if you didn't turn up for the trial they offered.


I've never been unemployed so I don't know, but are you saying that the job centre could sanction you for not attending an unpaid trial?
Looks like I'm in the minority judging by the replies here but I wouldn't be too pleased either.

I'd probably say that I'd be happy to consider it unpaid orientation/training/trial if I were then successful, but if unsuccessful then I would like to be paid for my time.
I’m still bitter over a similar story. Back in the day I applied to work behind the bar at a few places. Most offered interviews this one place asked me to a trial one Saturday evening. I agreed and went along to this very busy restaurant to be told it was too busy to go behind the bar could I take food out to tables. Completed the shift and heard nothing else, I just thought somebody else had got the job. In the weeks that followed I learned that in the run up to Christmas they done it for some free labour there wasn’t a job.

if it was a minimum wage job, after being burned all those years ago I’d honestly tell them to shove it, what can they expect to gain by seeing somebody work (possibly) their first shift anywhere that they couldn’t learn from a quick chat.
If the job was publicly advertised, can you provide a link?
I'd need a good reason for doing a job unpaid, maybe it's a 8 hour interview so to speak.
Also, you may not get paid, but it may be expensive for the employer i.e. security checks or uniform / protective clothing, but I'm just guessing
Not a chance, you may all be mugs but i ain't, nobody would get my labour for free. What is wrong with people today that they think this is ok? Get a grip people and have a little pride in yourself.
if i were unemployed (actually i am at the moment, lol (lol)) i would give them a go if i wanted to have a job there as it is like training. people attend training days all the time and never get paid except for travel expenses possibly so you could ask them if they would pay your travel expenses as you are on a tight budget.

it is an opportunity to get to know them and allow them to get to know you and it may lead to other opportunities there in future even if you don't get the job now.

try not to think so negatively as you would spend half a day at least to attend most interviews anyway, so you are effective only spending an extra afternoon or morning for this one. think positive and you will do better
I would take the risk working a day for free in the hope of getting a job at the end of it rather than sitting on my bum thinking I’m too good to do that with no prospect of a job.

All come down to how much you want to work.
Ask a mate to come in pretending to not know you to either verbally &/or physically assualt you. Claim injuries and damages from the small business.

Your lucky as many big firms ask their prospective employees to spend whole summers I'm their head offices in London on unpaid "internships".
Edited by: "Sammy86" 1st Mar
Free labour, never heard the likes of it.
I work for free sometimes. Not that i want to its Just the sector i work in. I have contractual hours but i will work more than that a week but still get same wages.

theres plenty of people who will do a trail shift for free.

plus there could be benefits and rewards that may come with the job.

You mention its a “small business” put yourself in their shoes, imagine you work 8 hours but your not an ideal candidate. You dont get the job, next person comes for a trail shift they dont the job either, so on and so on. Think of the money they paying out if it was a paid shift.

volunteers who work 30 hours+ a week in charity shops dont get paid.

Do the trail shift, get a job at the end.
dont do a trail shift the job slip away and then regret it.
You dont deserve the job i did an unpaid trial got the job and was paid for it in my first months pay
Edited by: "Mark_Hickman" 1st Mar
deleted8085801/03/2020 08:22

I've never been unemployed so I don't know, but are you saying that the …I've never been unemployed so I don't know, but are you saying that the job centre could sanction you for not attending an unpaid trial?


Exactly that. Failing to take action to get work or turning down a job offer. 3 months sanction.
Cloeeez01/03/2020 07:09

My cousin who was 20 at the time with 0 prior experience except dropping …My cousin who was 20 at the time with 0 prior experience except dropping out of uni - volunteered doing retail at a charity shop for 2 months before they gave him a job because it was a small town and he doesn't drive, the jobs were scarce. He's been working there for 2+ years now and he manages the shop.There are a lot of people in the exact same position as you who are the exact same as you who would be more than happy to do the 8 hours for the option of it MAYBE leading to a job.This is unfortunately how the world works now and no one on a deal site is going to be able to change that as much as they all would like to think.Do the 8 hours.


'Charity' shops are the biggest scam going. Get people to give them stuff for free, get people to work for them to free, get landlords to give them subsidised rent, cream off a massive wedge for the directors and give a little to charity. All whilst avoiding TAX.
This is a disgraceful practice and those above saying they would do it are part of the problem. The probation period of a job is supposed to be the trial for both employee and employer - if it doesn't work out during that period for one party, that's when you part ways.
Op, what I would also take into account is.... The employer v employee power is changing, the country is close to "full employment" and with Brexit is putting pressure on vacancies, I'm quite low skilled and I got 15% wage rise by changing jobs, same role, same hours, same city and for the next year its an employees market for once, so you can be a little more picky as employers are getting more desperate by the week
Edited by: "Douglas_Birks" 1st Mar
It’s just one day, go smash it and get the job
When I was out of work I grabbed the opportunity I got for a full unpaid work day... in the end I got paid for the day and they kept me on. Although it's an independent store so not sure how that works with larger companies.

But like others have said... stay at home for 8 hours and still have no job or go for a trial and potentially get a job. No brainer.
Azwipe01/03/2020 13:05

'Charity' shops are the biggest scam going. Get people to give them stuff …'Charity' shops are the biggest scam going. Get people to give them stuff for free, get people to work for them to free, get landlords to give them subsidised rent, cream off a massive wedge for the directors and give a little to charity. All whilst avoiding TAX.

He's been working there for over two years and worked his way from min wage to a managers position so not sure what he makes now. It has allowed him to be off benefits, have his own 1 bedroom flat with his dog and pay his bills. Hardly see that's a scam. If you're looking for scams might I suggest looking at huge companies who avoid taxes, billionaires that don't pay enough tax, politicians and for places that take money for free, religious places like the catholic church.
Edited by: "Cloeeez" 1st Mar
Cloeeez01/03/2020 14:49

He's been working there for over two years and worked his way from min …He's been working there for over two years and worked his way from min wage to a managers position so not sure what he makes now. It has allowed him to be off benefits, have his own 1 bedroom flat with his dog and pay his bills. Hardly see that's a scam. If you're looking for scams might I suggest looking at huge companies who avoid taxes, billionaires that don't pay enough tax, politicians and for places that take money for free, religious places like the catholic church.



The thing is, the majority pay all tax they’re legally required to like the rest of us.
Dannyrobbo01/03/2020 17:31

The thing is, the majority pay all tax they’re legally required to like t …The thing is, the majority pay all tax they’re legally required to like the rest of us.


My point is I think on the list of 'world problems' - that people should be concentrating on - charity shops are very low on that list ;).

The post is about OP doing work for free or not. I said about my cousin who worked for free - in a charity shop. If I had said he worked for free in a 'shop' I wouldn't have got a comment back of someone complaining about charity shops. Idgaf about charity shops. I doubt it takes up many other peoples mind space on the grand scheme of life either.
Edited by: "Cloeeez" 1st Mar
TheNoid01/03/2020 13:26

This is a disgraceful practice and those above saying they would do it are …This is a disgraceful practice and those above saying they would do it are part of the problem. The probation period of a job is supposed to be the trial for both employee and employer - if it doesn't work out during that period for one party, that's when you part ways.


This.

It's also a comparatively recent thing (or at least a recent re-introduction of an outdated, exploitative working practice). When I started my working life in the 90s, unpaid trial periods simply didn't exist.
Edited by: "spoo" 1st Mar
seems I'm in the minority who also think this isn't desired.

for a minimum wage, presumably relatively low-skilled job, an unpaid trial makes no sense whatsoever.

my wife had a trial for such a job and it was not unpaid so those saying it's the 'norm' are probably out of touch.
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