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    ACS:LAW INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHT LETTER

    I have recived a letter today from ACS:LAW requesting i pay a settlement fee of £295 in damages for a download that took place on the 3/10/2009 on a p2p bittorent site.

    Has anybody else recived this letter?

    any advice on what to do next?

    many thanks dan

    59 Comments

    scam

    pure scare tactics,toothless threat

    ignore it

    been discussed many times on here and elsewhere

    Did it say what was downloaded? Do you use bittorrent?

    Original Poster

    boothy;8767289

    scampure scare tactics,toothless threatignore itbeen discussed many times … scampure scare tactics,toothless threatignore itbeen discussed many times on here and elsewhere



    thanks for the quick reply they will not get a penny

    Sounds like a scam to me!

    can you pay the money into my paypal acc and i shall pass it on for you

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    boothy;8767289

    scampure scare tactics,toothless threatignore itbeen discussed many times … scampure scare tactics,toothless threatignore itbeen discussed many times on here and elsewhere


    its not a scam at all

    but they havent taken anyone to court yet so they are just at the threat stages now. A lot of people pay up.

    Now that Labour rushed through the digital economy bill (thanks Mandy), then expect to see a lot more of these letters.

    Andrew Crossley runs ACS: Law, where he is the sole principal. Last year his firm sent out about 6,500 demands for payment, taking over some of Davenport Lyons's caseload, but a major expansion of his activity means that he plans to send out 50,000-60,000 during 2010. He says "a sizeable percentage" of people targeted pay up, and there have only been occasional cases of mistaken identity. "We are very confident in our technology," he says, adding that "our objective is to reduce the infringment of our clients copyright" and that "anecdotally, there is evidence to suggest that what we are do works".

    guardian.co.uk/med…acy

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    danny-henson;8767315

    yes it does say what was downloaded top 40 singles ukand yes it did use … yes it does say what was downloaded top 40 singles ukand yes it did use bittorent


    and are you guilty?

    danny-henson;8767315

    yes it does say what was downloaded top 40 singles ukand yes it did use … yes it does say what was downloaded top 40 singles ukand yes it did use bittorent


    If you did it then you are liable for it, it's just not likely they'll bother pursueing it if you ignore them. ACS use a scatter gun approach but rarely ever actually file claims.

    Should Scan the letter somewhere and upload it removing key details. Be interesting to see how they can get away with scare tactics.

    Don't you use peer blocker & a proxy?

    Are you sure it is not a scam?

    tonyd19565;8767507

    Are you sure it is not a scam?



    Not a scam, they seed torents and log the ip of the downloader, they then find the real address of the ip from the isp and send the letters out.

    steve1221;8767646

    Not a scam, they seed torents and log the ip of the downloader, they then … Not a scam, they seed torents and log the ip of the downloader, they then find the real address of the ip from the isp and send the letters out.



    then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted material.

    Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.

    hippyharry;8767850

    Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.



    and what do you do while you download and after you complete?

    It is entrapment, but if people will use torrents what do they expect.

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    hippyharry;8767850

    then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted … then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted material.Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.


    no they are not as they are acting on behalf of the copyright owners. Thats the whole point of the digital economy bill. Copyright owners can instruct law firms to seek out and get financial redress for illegal uploading (e.g torrent users).

    15,000 letters sent out last year by VM & BT requesting £495 from each abuser for sharing a SCOOTER mp3. Mind you, a scooter fan deserves everything they get imho ;-):-D

    note the OP has gone quiet now on the question of guilt lol

    "What the ]digital economy bill proposes is to place a burden of responsibility on the person owning the internet connection – you have to prove it wasn't you who pirated that film, otherwise you risk being disconnected,"

    hippyharry;8767850

    then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted … then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted material.Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.



    But when it is downloading/downloaded you are also seeding it around to other users. This is when these companies get your IP, then get your address from your ISP, then write you a letter...

    Basically.. Stop sharing and using P2P... :thumbsup:

    Chiptivo;8767976

    But when it is downloading/downloaded you are also seeding it around to … But when it is downloading/downloaded you are also seeding it around to other users. This is when these companies get your IP, then get your address from your ISP, then write you a letter...Basically.. Stop sharing and using P2P... :thumbsup:



    Completely agree to not use p2p anymore. If you want to use p2p, use a seedbox.

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    hippyharry;8767850

    then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted … then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted material.Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.



    what rubbish, if they have the permission of the copyright holder then they can do what they like

    Its a criminal offence to distribute, but it is not legal to download at all, just you couldn't be taken to a criminal court for it.

    To the usual suspects saying this is a scam, whats the scam?

    I have recieved one of these letters over a year ago. That was from Davenport Loyns. ACS Law have taken over the cases.

    You need to do the following
    1. Contact consumer direct
    2. Contact youre local trading standards department. Ring youre council and ask to be put through
    3. Once you have done the above contact ACS Law via recorded delivery. Tell them what you have done and that you wish to reciever no further letters from them. Keep the letter short and dont go into anything else. Obvoiusly put in the letter that you havnt downloaded and if they wish to take the matter to court then you would see them there.
    consumerdirect.gov.uk/

    Does it make a difference if you download but dont share? Or are they targeting anyone who downloads?

    bargainhunter2009;8768489

    Does it make a difference if you download but dont share? Or are they … Does it make a difference if you download but dont share? Or are they targeting anyone who downloads?



    Well, my argument is if you look at what they can prosecute you with is they can only charge you with sharing copyrighted material.

    hippyharry;8767850

    then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted … then they are the ones who are commiting the crime by sharing copyrighted material.Its not illegal to download. Its illegal to upload.



    thats like saying the person who deals drugs is guilty, not the person who consumes it.

    Original Poster

    leecroot;8768334

    I have recieved one of these letters over a year ago. That was from … I have recieved one of these letters over a year ago. That was from Davenport Loyns. ACS Law have taken over the cases. You need to do the following 1. Contact consumer direct2. Contact youre local trading standards department. Ring youre council and ask to be put through3. Once you have done the above contact ACS Law via recorded delivery. Tell them what you have done and that you wish to reciever no further letters from them. Keep the letter short and dont go into anything else. Obvoiusly put in the letter that you havnt downloaded and if they wish to take the matter to court then you would see them there.http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/



    will be doing just that. thanks

    Original Poster

    richx45;8768459

    Check out this thread here, all 126 pages of it, from people who have had … Check out this thread here, all 126 pages of it, from people who have had letters:http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/acs-law/198192-acs-law-126.html:-D



    looks like a big batch of the same letters went out today then

    Original Poster

    Adam2050;8767382

    Should Scan the letter somewhere and upload it removing key details. Be … Should Scan the letter somewhere and upload it removing key details. Be interesting to see how they can get away with scare tactics.



    would you like a copy pm

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    OP, are you guilty as charged though?

    Original Poster

    csiman;8770907

    OP, are you guilty as charged though?



    no i have never dowloaded evacuate the dancefloor

    Original Poster

    lumoruk;8771270

    lol what a **** songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTl1ajzq0bkdamn am I … lol what a **** songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTl1ajzq0bkdamn am I going to get a letter now?



    good song but would never be worth £295

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    danny-henson;8771291

    good song but would never be worth £295



    i think its worth a hell of a lot more than £295 mate.......pretty sure that video cost more than that for a start

    I think I might just move to Usenet for the time being and monitor the situation. Well that and I might start like, buying stuff. To be honest, if I stop downloading my TV shows there wont be much that I do download these days anyway. Music is available on demand legally, and I'm getting back into the habit of renting films now. I wont download a movie until a decent copy is available anyway, which is usually around the time it's out to buy/rent.

    What're the chances of being caught through rapidshare etc?

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    spikeyjacko;8771976

    What're the chances of being caught through rapidshare etc?



    lol they are the worst

    arstechnica.com/tec…ars

    casparwhite;8772124

    lol they are the … lol they are the worsthttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rapidshare-hands-over-user-info-in-germany-users-panic.ars



    Oops :whistling:
    Although I actually use megaupload most of the time

    spikeyjacko;8773313

    Oops :whistling:Although I actually use megaupload most of the time



    Still the same.

    Banned

    Anyone else actually wanting one of these? I hope they send me one, I do like a crusade. With me never using torrents I don't need to worry about getting one so it would be a justified cause if I did receive one.

    Wonder how compliant Karoo would be with these jokers.
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