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    ADHD: Created by enviroment, in the genes, bit of both or total fallacy?

    Stop blaming poor parenting and nutritional deficiencies for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) among children.

    A latest research has proved that ADHD is genetic and is not purely a social construct as the popular belief is. This is the first time that scientists have revealed a direct genetic link to ADHD.

    The research published in the latest issue of reputed medical journal Lancet, was conducted by scientists of UK’s Cardiff University.

    Im not convinced. What do you think? ADHD. Created by enviroment, in the genes, bit of both or total fallacy?

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    I think it's just in the child, don't think parents should be automatically labelled as being bad or having poor parenting skills!
    It must be pretty distressing for a family to go through!!!

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    kerri_ann3

    I think it's just in the child, don't think parents should be … I think it's just in the child, don't think parents should be automatically labelled as being bad or having poor parenting skills!It must be pretty distressing for a family to go through!!!



    Very true! I feel so much sympathy for parents with children with ADHD but I do believe it is over subscribed and is an over used term. I believe it could be in the genes but a minute proportion...

    Yeah I know what u mean, just because they are naughty doesn't mean they are ADHD, sad that everything needs a label these days

    Very poor science and I have no idea why The Lancet has trumpeted this as a causal genetic link when clearly it is not.

    They found that 15% of the ADHD group had large and rare variations in their DNA - compared with 7% in the control group.
    bbc.co.uk/new…079
    Rare is hardly 'rare' when such large %'s have it!!

    On the Today programme, the clinical psychologist Oliver James tore into the research and made accusations of "massive spin".
    bbc.co.uk/blo…tml

    Is ADHD real ? - I would say that any teacher or other person working with children would say it definitely is real. Definition and diagnosis are difficult however.

    The causes are not known and may be many or singular - hence the treatments are speculative.

    This bit of media hype helps no-one - least of all the kids who suffer (and they do suffer) with the condition.


    ei8hty5ive

    Very true! I feel so much sympathy for parents with children with ADHD … Very true! I feel so much sympathy for parents with children with ADHD but I do believe it is over subscribed and is an over used term. I believe it could be in the genes but a minute proportion...



    +1, but I think the environment children are brought up in and the food they eat can have some effect on them. I saw a friend's niece being given haribo and she turned from a lovely little girl into a terror. I know this is not the best example, but I think that a wholesome, nutritional diet can only help children and not all children are given this by their parents.
    Also a hectic environment is at times unavoidable, but if long term, in my opinion, can affect them too.

    There are some children who I believe are naturally and seriously affected by ADHD but I also believe it's too easy to blame it on naughty/unruly children who have not been taught manners or boundries.
    Plus schools are given extra funding for 'special needs' children and I have read that some schools want this funding and as a result would rather a problem child be labelled ADHD than naughty.

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    ADHD over use bugs me a bit. The doctors love it because they can diagnose any sort of bad behaving child as having ADHD (Dyslexic child/causes trouble=ADHD, Autistic=ADHD, Depressed child=ADHD, etc), the sponging 'parents' with bad behaving children love it because firstly its a perfect get out clause (Smashed window=He has ADHD, Bullying=ADHD, Stealing cars=ADHD, etc) and secondly they get more benefits for children with mental issues. Then the Chemists and Pharmacuticals love it because the more doctors diagnose ADHD, the more drugs they sell. It's getting to be a bit of a problem.

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    chesso

    Very poor science and I have no idea why The Lancet has trumpeted this as … Very poor science and I have no idea why The Lancet has trumpeted this as a causal genetic link when clearly it is not. They found that 15% of the ADHD group had large and rare variations in their DNA - compared with 7% in the control group.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11437079 Rare is hardly 'rare' when such large %'s have it!!On the Today programme, the clinical psychologist Oliver James tore into the research and made accusations of "massive spin".http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/ferguswalsh/2010/09/the_genetics_of_adhd.htmlIs ADHD real ? - I would say that any teacher or other person working with children would say it definitely is real. Definition and diagnosis are difficult however.The causes are not known and may be many or singular - hence the treatments are speculative. This bit of media hype helps no-one - least of all the kids who suffer (and they do suffer) with the condition.



    Agree very muchly.

    I think adhd is just a label we give to misbehaving kid's, Partially parent's to blame, Partially society.

    All kid's are different, Some are more hypo than other's, Some need more discipline.

    It didn't exist in the time of belt's and slippers, That's what their missing, The kid's rule the parent's, They don't respect us because we haven't taught them respect.

    You can't discipline kid's now because they rule us...!!!

    Their taking over, They say jump we say how high...!!!

    It all starts by lack of teaching them right from wrong, Teach them their boundaries while their young.

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    shauneco

    I think adhd is just a label we give to misbehaving kid's, Partially … I think adhd is just a label we give to misbehaving kid's, Partially parent's to blame, Partially society.All kid's are different, Some are more hypo than other's, Some need more discipline.It didn't exist in the time of belt's and slippers, That's what their missing, The kid's rule the parent's, They don't respect us because we haven't taught them respect.You can't discipline kid's now because they rule us...!!!Their taking over, They say jump we say how high...!!!It all starts by lack of teaching them right from wrong, Teach them their boundaries while their young.



    I believe in ADHD but its not as widespread as it is made out. Its not to say it wasn't around at the time of canes and belts but they just didn't know about it (and subsequently was put down to bad behavior!!). I agree in the correct discipline can control the ADHD though...

    ei8hty5ive

    ADHD over use bugs me a bit. The doctors love it because they can … ADHD over use bugs me a bit. The doctors love it because they can diagnose any sort of bad behaving child as having ADHD (Dyslexic child/causes trouble=ADHD, Autistic=ADHD, Depressed child=ADHD, etc), the sponging 'parents' with bad behaving children love it because firstly its a perfect get out clause (Smashed window=He has ADHD, Bullying=ADHD, Stealing cars=ADHD, etc) and secondly they get more benefits for children with mental issues. Then the Chemists and Pharmacuticals love it because the more doctors diagnose ADHD, the more drugs they sell. It's getting to be a bit of a problem.




    Hmm I almost agree but the "sponging" bit, whos to say a middle class family or working class family might not try the same excuse.

    Suprised no one has talked about the episode of South Park where the entire class is diagnosed with ADHD and put on Ritalin.

    I am suppose dto have aspergers but experienced the other side of it, doctors keep treating me like "oh but what if you arent, it costs us time and money to diagnose you" probably because I am a adult.

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    ryouga

    Hmm I almost agree but the "sponging" bit, whos to say a middle class … Hmm I almost agree but the "sponging" bit, whos to say a middle class family or working class family might not try the same excuse.Suprised no one has talked about the episode of South Park where the entire class is diagnosed with ADHD and put on Ritalin.I am suppose dto have aspergers but experienced the other side of it, doctors keep treating me like "oh but what if you arent, it costs us time and money to diagnose you" probably because I am a adult.



    lol'ed at Southpark comment but its not even a joke any more...the council estate, near to were I work, 90% of the kids there have 'supposedly' ADHD...No joke!

    ei8hty5ive

    I believe in ADHD but its not as widespread as it is made out. Its not … I believe in ADHD but its not as widespread as it is made out. Its not to say it wasn't around at the time of canes and belts but they just didn't know about it (and subsequently was put down to bad behavior!!). I agree in the correct discipline can control the ADHD though...



    Yeah, perhaps, However back then people got through it relatively ok and are probably the parent's now, The thing is every child is different and although yes certain condition's can affect the behaviour of kid's, I don't believe that theirs a condition as such, I think misdiagnosis is more likely. Kid's with dyslexia for example may be frustrated for instant, they are often bullied, or in some cases know they have a problem and psychologically affect them and their behaviour, Yet people and some doctors label them adhd and clearly it's more related to the psychological affect etc..

    I think in most of the cases of adhd it's related to other underlying problem's, Simply labelling a kid as adhd is wrong and ignorant.

    My daughter has dyslexia and as a child she was at times quite difficult, As she grew up and was diagnosed as dyslexic she got the support she needs and her behaviour has improved immensely.

    sickly sweet

    Schools are not given extra money for pupils whatever their SEN (well … Schools are not given extra money for pupils whatever their SEN (well certainly not in my authority anyway). The funding we receive is not increased/decreased whatever the number of children with special educational needs our pupils have. A lot of people think children with statements have funding attached - that's not true either.+1, but I think the environment children are brought up in and the food they eat can have some effect on them. I saw a friend's niece being given haribo and she turned from a lovely little girl into a terror. I know this is not the best example, but I think that a wholesome, nutritional diet can only help children and not all children are given this by their parents.Also a hectic environment is at times unavoidable, but if long term, in my opinion, can affect them too.There are some children who I believe are naturally and seriously affected by ADHD but I also believe it's too easy to blame it on naughty/unruly children who have not been taught manners or boundries. Plus schools are given extra funding for 'special needs' children and I have read that some schools want this funding and as a result would rather a problem child be labelled ADHD than naughty.

    ei8hty5ive

    ADHD over use bugs me a bit. The doctors love it because they can … ADHD over use bugs me a bit. The doctors love it because they can diagnose any sort of bad behaving child as having ADHD (Dyslexic child/causes trouble=ADHD, Autistic=ADHD, Depressed child=ADHD, etc), the sponging 'parents' with bad behaving children love it because firstly its a perfect get out clause (Smashed window=He has ADHD, Bullying=ADHD, Stealing cars=ADHD, etc) and secondly they get more benefits for children with mental issues. Then the Chemists and Pharmacuticals love it because the more doctors diagnose ADHD, the more drugs they sell. It's getting to be a bit of a problem.



    ADHD is not a cause of bad behaviour. It means that the pupil/child/adult finds it difficult to sit still and concentrate, not that they do things they shouldn't.

    Susannah

    Schools are not given extra money for pupils whatever their SEN (well … Schools are not given extra money for pupils whatever their SEN (well certainly not in my authority anyway). The funding we receive is not increased/decreased whatever the number of children with special educational needs our pupils have. A lot of people think children with statements have funding attached - that's not true either.



    My friend works as a teaching assistant and was brought in to work with a boy who has been diagnosed as SEN and said that the school gets extra funding for it. She works in London, maybe it's different in different areas?

    Edit: A little look around online shows it must be down to the individual LEAs as East Sussex give extra funding per SEN pupil: eastsussex.gov.uk/chi…htm

    sickly sweet

    My friend works as a teaching assistant and was brought in to work with a … My friend works as a teaching assistant and was brought in to work with a boy who has been diagnosed as SEN and said that the school gets extra funding for it. She works in London, maybe it's different in different areas?Edit: A little look around online shows it must be down to the individual LEAs as East Sussex give extra funding per SEN pupil: http://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/childrenandfamilies/specialneeds/sen/atschool/funding/default.htm



    Yes it does vary from authority to authority although not many still give extra funding for SEN pupils.

    Susannah

    Yes it does vary from authority to authority although not many still give … Yes it does vary from authority to authority although not many still give extra funding for SEN pupils.


    Just read the link. It reads to me that all schools are given extra funding according to the level of need of their pupils. This doesn't mean though that extra funding is received by the school according to the number of SEN pupils they have - they just receive a standard amount of funding to support their pupils with SEN but this doesn't neccesarily change according to the numbers they have. It's the same in my authority - we get funding according to the needs of our kids (formula funding based on thing such as number of pupils entitled to free school meals) and from this we meet the needs of our SEN pupils.
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