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    Advice on Aquarium please.

    Hi,

    I'm pretty sure there are some fish keepers in amongst us here.
    I have just purchased a Juwel 120l aquarium and would like some suggestions on a good variety of fish to keep. It is a tropical set up and I would like to include some neon tetras.
    Any advice and help would be much appreciated.

    Mike.

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    Pleco to keep the sides clean. Any community fish. Cichlids won't mix with these. Clown loach to keep the snails down. Job done!

    i like my siamese fighting fish...there only £4 each in my local pets at home...however you cant put them with small fish

    Foxy102;5780066

    Pleco to keep the sides clean. Any community fish. Cichlids won't mix … Pleco to keep the sides clean. Any community fish. Cichlids won't mix with these. Clown loach to keep the snails down. Job done!



    Plecos are good!

    JboyJayJason;5780076

    Plecos are good!



    They can grow fecking huuuuuge though!

    Foxy102;5780066

    Pleco to keep the sides clean. Any community fish. Cichlids won't mix … Pleco to keep the sides clean. Any community fish. Cichlids won't mix with these. Clown loach to keep the snails down. Job done!



    Shhh!!! When I was a kid, my Mum used to pay me 2p a snail!!! :oops:

    :w00t:

    i've had some fish tanks, and with the neons i quite like guppies and some fantails (orandas, the wee fat ones (pearlescales), black moors. Although they're coldwater, they survive well in the maintened hot water conditions. I even managed to breed some of the guppies!

    I got some small oscars too, all together they create a great, fun tank....

    Fighting fish is really pretty, you can only have 1 male to a tank tho. but they're only hostile to each other not other fish. (you want the male cos they're the pretty ones)

    If you're buying tetras of any kind, like neons, then you need to buy a shole of them, really at least 6, 4 is a minimum if you have a very small tank. but if it's 3 foor or bigger i'd say get at least 8. but you can say buy 12 tetras, 4 neons, 4 glow light and 4 penguines if you want. sometimes they'll all shole together but not in every case. but they get lonely alone and will get picked on by other fish (read eaten)

    Don't get angel fish, they look pretty but are viscous b*tards.

    Get a couple of cat fish cos they're bottom feaders and will help keep the tank clean.

    Silver mollies are really nice, and platties.

    That should be enough to get you started. you should never introduce too many fish at once. (it throws the bio-cycle out of wack and the water become polluted with too much nitrogen)

    Always check the quality of your water first, and remember to float the bag for about 20 mins before cutting it open and letting them swim out (it helps prevent temperature shock)

    Oh and try to get your fish from a decent local aqautics centre, rather than say pets at home, the people there often don't know much and the fish are usually very young and small, ideally you want older, bigger fish, especially with something like neons. else they just end up being killed.

    And never ever get a fish that looks even slightly unwell, (read up on the different illnesses tropical fish can get and the signs) if you introduce a fish with a desease it can kill everything in the tank.

    Just introduce them slowly - please don't stick loads of fish in your new tank all at once, it takes time for the filter to "mature" for want of a better way of describing it.

    I have a massive plec - he's about 10 inches long. He is awesome!

    Original Poster

    Really interesting advice, Keep it coming guy's!
    Thanks.

    Oh and if your fish seem lethargic (that is they don't swim around much, seem off their food etc) then it's likely that the water is either too hot or too cold. My fish used to prefer it at about 26/27 C which is on the warm side, you might have to investigate through a little trial and error to see what they most prefer. and try to pay attention to what temperature different fish like.

    Oh and assuming it's a new tank, you know you have to let the water sit for I think it's a week at least before you can put fish in, (it's been a while since I had my aquarium) and you should just fresh start to help get rid of the chlorine, and nitrongen balance stuff to help kick start the bio-system. and you can put plants in straight away which also helps to establish the tank. and steralise any ornaments before you put them in. especially somthing like shells from the beach.

    We have several different Guppies in our tank, stick to males as they are the most colourful (and you don't want loads of babies!!). We also have Tetra's and Danio's, all very colourful.

    We don't have a heater in our tank as we find that a good insulated, centrally heated house keeps the water warm enough.

    If its your first time with a fish tank, it always worth finding a good friendly aquatics shop who can advise on how to keep the chemical balance right and what to do if things start going wrong. It took a good six months before we got our tank balanced, and it was only then that we could begin introducing a nice mix of fish!

    Good luck, and enjoy your fish.

    Original Poster

    bruffterman;5780264

    Oh and if your fish seem lethargic (that is they don't swim around much, … Oh and if your fish seem lethargic (that is they don't swim around much, seem off their food etc) then it's likely that the water is either too hot or too cold. My fish used to prefer it at about 26/27 C which is on the warm side, you might have to investigate through a little trial and error to see what they most prefer. and try to pay attention to what temperature different fish like.Oh and assuming it's a new tank, you know you have to let the water sit for I think it's a week at least before you can put fish in, (it's been a while since I had my aquarium) and you should just fresh start to help get rid of the chlorine, and nitrongen balance stuff to help kick start the bio-system. and you can put plants in straight away which also helps to establish the tank. and steralise any ornaments before you put them in. especially somthing like shells from the beach.


    Thanks for this, I have been reading up on tropical aquariums for quite a while but really gratefull for these tips! I want to give The fish the best possible chance I can.
    :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    When the tank is eventually running at its peak, how many fish would be suitable for this size tank? I don't want to overstock it.

    around 30ish maybe, it depends on lots of things. if you have a better filtration system, you can have more fish, also fish will grow according to how much room they have, so lots of fish in a small tank means small fish, few fish in a larger tank means big fish. it also depends on getting the right balance of bottom, mid and top feaders. and smaller fish the schole like neons you can have more of compared to larger fish that tends to stick to themselves or in pairs.

    chilids, groumis, guppies

    we got a schole of blind cave fish when AM was very small. Fab things they were pur white and amazing to watch (no eyes) lasted well the last one only died the other month we had 'em for over 4 years

    guppys are fun and uber simple to bread we couldn't stop 'em

    bruffterman;5780210

    Don't get angel fish, they look pretty but are viscous b*tards.



    +1.

    Angel fish look beautiful, but they can certainly get aggressive towards other fish.

    Original Poster

    Hi All,
    Just got our first fish in the aquarium. 5 Molly's and 1 Pleco. Thanks to everyone who gave some advice.
    Mike.

    Banned

    good start here

    http://www.fishforums.net/

    Hi, I'm a long time fishkeeper and happy to help.

    You should concentrate on finding fish for all levels and make sure you stock under limits so maintenance is easier for you. Too many fish might not necessarily die on you but they will get that tank very dirty.

    If you want neons, many aggressive fish are out of the question so forget angels and other medium cichlids, also avoid the immensly attractive leopard labyrinth fish (ctenopoma) which can consume a neon whole even before full maturity. Good tankmates with neons include platties and mollies, all of these are good for the beginner too but make sure you don't stock up all at once, add a few fish a week following at least two weeks of time for your filled tank to settle (add bacteria / filter start etc). A week isn't enough in my opinion.

    You'll likely want at least one feature fish, if you are dead set on neons a siamese fighter is a good one to go for, a single male (two will fight to the death) is attractive and will usually only go for it's own reflection from time to time! Don't mix mollies with a fighter though as they can nip the flowing fins a lot. Also if you have a fighter, do not put guppies in the tank as they are often mistaken for another fighter and will be attacked. Again with fighters, avoid fish such as barbs, but some honey gourami would go well and are very attractive too. Some other gourami species can be more aggressive though so if you want a few of these it might be an idea to avoid the fighter.

    Bottom swimmers are great and I'd recommend a small shoal (about 5) of cory catfish which do not get large and are wonderfully entertaining. Kuhli loaches are also lovely and none of these are aggressive.

    If you haven't bought a filter yet, I'd advise you to get the biggest, best filter you can afford. An external power filter is best, and easiest to maintain.

    Also a great website for general advice is practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk…php which also has a great forum full of fish obsessed helpful people.

    Any further advice just ask

    Ahh we introduced Molly's as one of our first fish types to the aquarium - it was recommended to us as they are quite hardy. They are also live bearers!

    We also have Silver Dollars as they are a community fish. I love the way they flip as they turn at times, and sometimes when they rise to the surface they are so fast flipping their tales to make the food sink into the water.

    We have other fish too - but these are the ones I remember most

    don't get a puffer fish, it will eat all the other fish :x

    Join this site

    tropicalfish.site5.com/tfc/

    Read up on Fishless Cycling & the Nitrogen Cycle - then buy a liquid water testing kit (API Master is recommneded - about £20)

    You need to get this sorted out before even considering adding any fish.

    You need to basically "mimic" having fish in your tank using household Ammonia. Your filter will eventually build up enough Ammonia eating bacteria, who will convert this into NitrIte. You need to keep on feeding Ammonia until the filter then builds up enough NitrIte eating bacteria to cope with the bioload.

    This will then turn to NitrAte - which is controlled by weekly water changes.

    Some of the advice given so far is not the best, so best get on that site, do some reading up & ask as many q's as you can until your happy

    Good Luck !

    Foxy102;5780066

    Clown loach to keep the snails down. Job done!



    Clown loaches can grow upto 13" & need to be kept in groups of 6+.

    The OP tank is wayyyyy to small for these

    Foxy102;5780099

    They can grow fecking huuuuuge though!



    If you get a Plec - stick with a Bristilenose Plec

    KrispiiDuck;5780218

    Just introduce them slowly - please don't stick loads of fish in your new … Just introduce them slowly - please don't stick loads of fish in your new tank all at once, it takes time for the filter to "mature" for want of a better way of describing it.



    If you do the fishless cycle, you can fully stock when your filter is ready. If you cycle with fish (which is not the common practice nowadays, as they will suffer from ammonia poisoning & nitrite poisoning & have a generally smaller lifespan - if they survive at all) - do it VERY slowly.

    bruffterman;5780264

    Oh and assuming it's a new tank, you know you have to let the water sit … Oh and assuming it's a new tank, you know you have to let the water sit for I think it's a week at least before you can put fish in, (it's been a while since I had my aquarium) and you should just fresh start to help get rid of the chlorine, and nitrongen balance stuff to help kick start the bio-system. and you can put plants in straight away which also helps to establish the tank. and steralise any ornaments before you put them in. especially somthing like shells from the beach.



    Letting the water "sit" will do sweet FA. As he will have used a water declhorinator when filling the tank, he will need to kick off the cycle. Letting the water sit or mature will do nothing.

    Fresh start is also a waste of money as the bacteria within it would need a source of food & be refrigerated in transit & in the shop (which they rarely are !).

    Best way to kick start the cycle is getting a "squeze" or used filter media from a friend or Local Fish Shop.

    KazzyD;5780353

    We don't have a heater in our tank as we find that a good insulated, … We don't have a heater in our tank as we find that a good insulated, centrally heated house keeps the water warm enough.If its your first time with a fish tank, it always worth finding a good friendly aquatics shop who can advise on how to keep the chemical balance right and what to do if things start going wrong. It took a good six months before we got our tank balanced, and it was only then that we could begin introducing a nice mix of fish!Good luck, and enjoy your fish.



    Having no heater in the tank is pretty poor practice for tropical fish !! The temp needs to be kept at a constant level or the fish will suffer.

    Most Fish shops give out poor advice as well, as said before, that forum above will be your best friend & better than any LFS !

    mikelamb;5780388

    When the tank is eventually running at its peak, how many fish would be … When the tank is eventually running at its peak, how many fish would be suitable for this size tank? I don't want to overstock it.



    Depends on what fish you have. Most people forget that you need to calc how big your fish will be when fully grown.

    renard;5780798

    +1.Angel fish look beautiful, but they can certainly get aggressive … +1.Angel fish look beautiful, but they can certainly get aggressive towards other fish.



    I have Angel fish in my community tank & they only get aggressive when spawning.

    mikelamb;5847264

    Hi All,Just got our first fish in the aquarium. 5 Molly's and 1 Pleco. … Hi All,Just got our first fish in the aquarium. 5 Molly's and 1 Pleco. Thanks to everyone who gave some advice.Mike.




    Erm - tell me you have cycled your tank 1st & not just put fish in it ?????????

    Mollies are also poor fish for tropical fishkeeping as they prefer a brackish water............

    ChrisUK - we'd get on I reckon :thumbsup:

    hazeyhaze;5861336

    ChrisUK - we'd get on I reckon :thumbsup:



    You'd better be female :oops: :thumbsup:

    :lol:

    can anyone tell me where the best place is to sell an aquarium set up?
    tried ebay but no luck

    Sign up to some fish forums - they all have a Buy & Sell section

    I have successfully bought & sold set-ups on eBay though, post something up on here (FS section) to gauge interest

    well i will give it a go on here first thanks
    dont think there is many people on here from our area though
    take a look see what u think regarding price etc
    hotukdeals.com/ite…-f/

    I paid £150 for a 4ft tank with cabinet, internal & external filers & all accessories 12 months ago.

    I'd say £200 is "fair" - see how you go & if you dont get any joy, reduce the price a little.

    Good Luck

    Banned

    edjaned;5861819

    well i will give it a go on here first thanksdont think there is many … well i will give it a go on here first thanksdont think there is many people on here from our area thoughtake a look see what u think regarding price etchttp://www.hotukdeals.com/item/448769/fs-full-aquarium-set-up-including-f/



    dont forget to get that one locked down and wait the 7 days hun :thumbsup:

    ChrisUK;5861883

    I paid £150 for a 4ft tank with cabinet, internal & external filers & all … I paid £150 for a 4ft tank with cabinet, internal & external filers & all accessories 12 months ago.I'd say £200 is "fair" - see how you go & if you dont get any joy, reduce the price a little.Good Luck



    thanks chris :thumbsup:
    i have only owned it from new about 8 months,ive got 2 of them exactly the same but we need the money so one has to go however would rather keep it than sell it dirt cheap

    sassie;5861904

    dont forget to get that one locked down and wait the 7 days hun :thumbsup:



    thanks sass will get the other one locked now
    its been over 7 days so should be ok

    Banned

    edjaned;5861920

    thanks sass will get the other one locked nowits been over 7 days so … thanks sass will get the other one locked nowits been over 7 days so should be ok



    ooops thought that was old thread, i see you have relisted it already, good luck in keeping other one open :w00t:

    sassie;5861933

    ooops thought that was old thread, i see you have relisted it already, … ooops thought that was old thread, i see you have relisted it already, good luck in keeping other one open :w00t:



    lol knowing my luck will prob get locked,although does it matter as i wasnt actually selling it in the old thread?
    been meaning to go into local pets at home but i have been feeling so lousy its an effort to get up in the morning

    Original Poster

    ChrisUK;5860959

    Clown loaches can grow upto 13" & need to be kept in groups of 6+.The OP … Clown loaches can grow upto 13" & need to be kept in groups of 6+.The OP tank is wayyyyy to small for theseIf you get a Plec - stick with a Bristilenose PlecIf you do the fishless cycle, you can fully stock when your filter is ready. If you cycle with fish (which is not the common practice nowadays, as they will suffer from ammonia poisoning & nitrite poisoning & have a generally smaller lifespan - if they survive at all) - do it VERY slowly.Letting the water "sit" will do sweet FA. As he will have used a water declhorinator when filling the tank, he will need to kick off the cycle. Letting the water sit or mature will do nothing.Fresh start is also a waste of money as the bacteria within it would need a source of food & be refrigerated in transit & in the shop (which they rarely are !).Best way to kick start the cycle is getting a "squeze" or used filter media from a friend or Local Fish Shop.Having no heater in the tank is pretty poor practice for tropical fish !! The temp needs to be kept at a constant level or the fish will suffer.Most Fish shops give out poor advice as well, as said before, that forum above will be your best friend & better than any LFS !Depends on what fish you have. Most people forget that you need to calc how big your fish will be when fully grown.I have Angel fish in my community tank & they only get aggressive when spawning.Erm - tell me you have cycled your tank 1st & not just put fish in it ?????????Mollies are also poor fish for tropical fishkeeping as they prefer a brackish water............


    Just to let you know that the tank was second hand and was brought to My place without removing filters ect. I then had it running for a week after which the water was tested and gave good readings.
    I hope this was ok, the fish seem happy and well at the moment.
    Mike.

    In that week you had it "running", all of the bacteria would have died off as they had no sustainable food source (aka Ammonia or fish poo).

    The water will have tested perfect (as it would have been tap water as there were no fish in it). Your Tap water would have given readings along the lines of of 0ppm Ammonia, 0ppm Nitrite & 5ppm Nitrate - which any fish shop will say are perfect (which they would be if fish were in it !!).

    If I were you, I'd monitor the water daily with a liquid test kit (ammonia, nitrite & nitrate).

    Just to check, did you wash your filter at all ? Also, when filling up, did you use dechlorinator before putting into the tank ?

    Any cloudy water yet ?

    Sorry Mike, not getting at you here mate - we have all made the mistake of trusting the Fish Shops !! (where do you go when you need fish meds, new fish when the old one's die ec......).

    There is nothing worse than seeing your fish die off !!!

    Original Poster

    Chris, I'm not taking any offence mate, only listening to what you have to say!
    You obviously know what your on about.
    How long would it be before I have any problems with the water? I added the fish last Saturday and at the moment everything looks ok. I don't have a water testing kit but would like to get one, can you recommend one to Me?
    Mike.

    Sorry mate, only just seen this now.

    Get an API freshwater master test kit - best you can get for the cash !

    £18 on an eBay BIN (170361116956)

    You need one to test water quality & it might not show the dangers until too late.

    Register on that site I provided as well - there is a wealth of knowledge on there & they are all pretty friendly
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