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Found 17th Oct 2017Edited by:"mixmixi"
Copy and paste from Polygon.

The Super NT is the latest, and most affordable, retro console from Analogue, the manufacturer of the luxe, but for many prohibitively expensive, NT and NT mini. While the NT and NT mini simulated a Nintendo Entertainment System, the Super NT simulates a Super Nintendo thanks to a “bigger, more powerful, more expensive FPGA” (field-programmable gate array) chip at the core of the console. Whereas the NT and NT mini were $499 and $449 respectively, the Super NT will be just $190 when it’s available for sale in February. Preorders for the Super NT open today.

Analogue’s Christopher Taber says they’ve been able to hit this new price point thanks to a combination of factors.

“The biggest difference is that it’s not in an aluminum enclosure,” Taber said in an interview with Polygon. “The second biggest difference is that it doesn’t have analog audio and video components. Both of those things add an enormous amount of cost to the system.

“The Super NT PCB is the exact same componentry and PCB as the original NT mini, except for analog AV components removed, obviously it’s been adapted to play Super Famicom/Super Nintendo games, and it actually has a bigger, more powerful, more expensive FPGA. The Super Nintendo is much more sophisticated, and requires more power to be able to implement via FPGA.”

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SIMULATION NOT EMULATION

A huge part of the cost savings for the Super NT are thanks to the existing investment in R&D, specifically the programming expertise needed to create the FPGA-based cores, so despite the fact that the new FPGA is more expensive, Analogue can still lower the price by more than half.

The FPGA that Analogue has chosen is the Altera Cyclone V, which will simulate the original Super Nintendo hardware, as opposed to emulating it in software, so your cartridges won’t know they’re not being run on original hardware, but you enjoy benefits like 1080p HDMI output with no lag and 100 percent library compatibility, thanks to the programming work of Analogue’s Kevin Horton, aka Kevtris.

“The thing about the FPGA is, it replicates the hardware at a very low level,” Horton told Vice last year. “It's not emulating it per se; there's no code running. What it does is, it's like a chip that you can program to turn into another chip, which I program to act exactly like an old Nintendo. It's so close to a real Nintendo console that you can actually run the game right off the real cartridge.”

“I cannot overstate how wickedly good this guy is at what it is that he does,” Taber said. “There is no one who knows as much about across the board understanding of all retro video game and vintage computing hardware. He’s just wicked fucking sharp. And he’s been making things, remaking things, doing FPGA hardware for basically his whole life.”

Anyone who follows Horton’s exploits on video game forums or YouTube videos is familiar with his bona fides.

The Super NT also includes an SD card slot, ostensibly for firmware updates; however, shortly after releasing the NT mini, Horton released a jailbroken firmware unofficially, which supports ROM playback and, most notably, new “core” support. After 12 releases, culminating in the 2.0 firmware, the NT mini simulates everything from the Atari 7800, the Sega Master System, and the original Game Boy to lesser-known consoles like the Channel F and Adventurevision. Horton’s decades spent decoding the intricacies of video game hardware found a readily available home in the NT mini, and the Super NT should be similar.

When asked if the Super NT would get the same jailbreak treatment, Taber demurred but finally said, “We don’t really discourage anyone to do anything with our products. You can do whatever you want with it. It’s not up to us, that’s not what we’re in the business of doing.”

JUST ONE WORD: PLASTICS

While Analogue may have opted for plastic over aluminum, it hasn’t avoided complexity in the console’s shell. The Super NT console itself comes in four variants: Black, Super NES, Super Famicom and clear, with each variant including multiple kinds of plastic and different textures of plastic.

Despite the move to plastic, Taber insists it won’t feel like the cheap, clone consoles you may be thinking of.

“We’re always leaning on the side of making sure this product is robust, reliable and is built like a tank,” he said. “We’re always landing on the side of it being, essentially, overengineered.

“When we’re manufacturing out of plastic, essentially the Super NT is in the 1 percent of products that are made out of this material. There’s just no question. When you hold it in your hands and feel this thing, you’re going to think, ‘Holy shit.’ The same initial impression you had from picking up the NT mini, the same thing is going to happen because we did all sorts of cool little things that you’ll see when you hold one in your hands.”

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Another way to hit that $190 price point: The Super NT does not come with controllers. Instead, Analogue has once again partnered with 8Bitdo to create matching SN30 wireless gamepads, bundled with SNES Retro Receivers, for $40 each. The receivers will also support a host of modern wireless gamepads, including the Nintendo Switch Joy-Cons. Of course, you can use original Super Nintendo (or third-party) wired controllers.

WHAT’S NEXT?

What’s next for Analogue, after shipping what Taber calls their “magnum opus?”

For starters, it’s not looking back. As far as plans to return to the NES with some of these new cost-savings, Taber says probably not. “We’ve already done that system, we’ve got a lot of other things we’re interested in doing.

“The Super NT is our magnum opus because this is the true beginning of what we’ve always wanted to do and it represents a way in doing this that will allow us to continue doing this,” Taber says. “We want to do more systems, there’s no question. We’d like to go through video game history — especially a lot of the stuff that’s especially, or unlikely, to ever get any OEM treatment from the original company, like Nintendo is doing — and make systems that are made with respect and care and attention to detail and allow people to celebrate and explore those platforms.”

“So yeah, we definitely want to do more systems. And we plan to.”
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At least link back to Polygon if you're copying their entire story!
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ostinato2 m ago

At least link back to Polygon if you're copying their entire …At least link back to Polygon if you're copying their entire story!https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/16/16481824/super-nt-super-nintendo-analogue


Please book an appointment for eye test.

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mixmixi27 m ago

Please book an appointment for eye test.[Image]



That's text not a link.
ostinato6 m ago

That's text not a link.


Yes it is.

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Unless you were meaning a "hyperlink"? ... Which in that case it is not obligatory since I have already "linked" Polygon at the very beginning of conversation and confessed the whole thing is a copy and paste for comment-Nazis like yourself.
mixmixi14 m ago

Yes it is.[Image] Unless you were meaning a "hyperlink"? ... Which in that …Yes it is.[Image] Unless you were meaning a "hyperlink"? ... Which in that case it is not obligatory since I have already "linked" Polygon at the very beginning of conversation and confessed the whole thing is a copy and paste for comment-Nazis like yourself.



Seriously? Look at the interface on the site (I'll refrain from eye test comments). See the button that says link? It's common enough parlance for you to assume that's what I meant. And seeing as you copied their entire article I'd have thought that it would be common decency to provide a click through url in exchange for their work, which was the point of my comment and you seem to have taken somewhat more offence than I imagined.

Edit - Also the fact that I put a hyperlink in my first reply should have made it obvious what I meant and also made any sarcastic replies unnecessary.
Edited by: "ostinato" 17th Oct 2017
ostinato3 m ago

Seriously? Look at the interface on the site (I'll refrain from eye test …Seriously? Look at the interface on the site (I'll refrain from eye test comments). See the button that says link? It's common enough parlance for you to assume that's what I meant. And seeing as you copied their entire article I'd have thought that it would be common decency to provide a click through url in exchange for their work, which was the point of my comment and you seem to have taken somewhat more offence than I imagined.


No offence at all. I am saying it has been linked and also further than that I have mentioned it is a copy and paste. See, I really don't need to receive any training from you. I have been very strict with crediting the actual sources when I am borrowing material from them. Almost everyone who is into gaming knows what Polygon is and if they don't the text is there for them to google it up. You are picking on me for no reason and I won't accept your complaint. Move on.
mixmixi9 m ago

See, I really don't need to receive any training from you.


I'll defer to your SEO knowledge then.
ostinato10 m ago

I'll defer to your SEO knowledge then.


How old are you pal? Am I really talking to an adult or a kid who didn't go to school today? This is for your "SEO" considerations.

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mixmixi2 h, 9 m ago

How old are you pal? Am I really talking to an adult or a kid who didn't …How old are you pal? Am I really talking to an adult or a kid who didn't go to school today? This is for your "SEO" considerations.[Image]



Dude, take a moment to read through this thread, and look at what you're saying as if you were someone else. How do you think you come off? To me, and I suspect most people, you come off as smug, condescending, pernickety, pedantic, stubborn, pugnacious, and just a bit stupid, and none of these are things to be proud of.

In future, just follow the accepted standard and link back to the sources you take from. And maybe learn to show a little humility if you're called out for doing something wrong rather than putting your fingers in your ears and doing the whole "Oh, you mean a hyperlink?" thing.
dxx20 m ago

Dude, take a moment to read through this thread, and look at what you're …Dude, take a moment to read through this thread, and look at what you're saying as if you were someone else. How do you think you come off? To me, and I suspect most people, you come off as smug, condescending, pernickety, pedantic, stubborn, pugnacious, and just a bit stupid, and none of these are things to be proud of.In future, just follow the accepted standard and link back to the sources you take from. And maybe learn to show a little humility if you're called out for doing something wrong rather than putting your fingers in your ears and doing the whole "Oh, you mean a hyperlink?" thing.


The issue is I have not done anything wrong in the first place and now got another person on my back to tell me how to live my life. Thank you so much sir, but don't you have anything better to do with your day?
ostinato21 h, 55 m ago

At least link back to Polygon if you're copying their entire …At least link back to Polygon if you're copying their entire story!https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/16/16481824/super-nt-super-nintendo-analogue



mixmixi18 h, 17 m ago

The issue is I have not done anything wrong in the first place and now got …The issue is I have not done anything wrong in the first place and now got another person on my back to tell me how to live my life. Thank you so much sir, but don't you have anything better to do with your day?



If you copy and paste, it is usually better to add hypertext link (and to give credit to the source); a hypertext link is useful as the original web page source often has other hypertext links to related stories which may be of use. Moreover the original source may help a user to identify its orignality, authenticity and fake vesus real news.
splender1 h, 5 m ago

If you copy and paste, it is usually better to add hypertext link (and to …If you copy and paste, it is usually better to add hypertext link (and to give credit to the source); a hypertext link is useful as the original web page source often has other hypertext links to related stories which may be of use. Moreover the original source may help a user to identify its orignality, authenticity and fake vesus real news.


That’s very sad to see the thread has been spoiled like this with irrelevant comments. I put the news up in hope of helping someone but I guess that’s my luck to deal with such criticisms. You know I have credited the source in the very first line and clearly mentioned it’s a copy and paste. There are a ton of people who copy and paste without even mentioning anything. I had the decency to clearly mention it’s a copy and paste from polygon and still I have to be slashed like this. Seriously I now feel regretting to even serve a community like this.

And coming back to yourself sir, I appreciate your feedback but I’ve done everything properly. A hyperlink would be a plus but I suffice to what I have presented as the source. I have been in academia for many years and I’m very much familiar with referencing etc. Thanks.
Edited by: "mixmixi" 18th Oct 2017
mixmixi18th Oct

That’s very sad to see the thread has been spoiled like this with i …That’s very sad to see the thread has been spoiled like this with irrelevant comments. I put the news up in hope of helping someone but I guess that’s my luck to deal with such criticisms. You know I have credited the source in the very first line and clearly mentioned it’s a copy and paste. There are a ton of people who copy and paste without even mentioning anything. I had the decency to clearly mention it’s a copy and paste from polygon and still I have to be slashed like this. Seriously I now feel regretting to even serve a community like this.And coming back to yourself sir, I appreciate your feedback but I’ve done everything properly. A hyperlink would be a plus but I suffice to what I have presented as the source. I have been in academia for many years and I’m very much familiar with referencing etc. Thanks.


Couple of tips. Firstly, if everyone's saying you're wrong, it usually means you're wrong. Secondly, we can tell you're still in school. You don't have to tell us. The way you respond to criticism is enough of a clue.
dxx17 m ago

Couple of tips. Firstly, if everyone's saying you're wrong, it usually …Couple of tips. Firstly, if everyone's saying you're wrong, it usually means you're wrong. Secondly, we can tell you're still in school. You don't have to tell us. The way you respond to criticism is enough of a clue.


Haha, you really made me giggle. Thanks for that. Thanks for the tips too, I am always happy to receive tips from people who think are wise and smart. And am curious to find out how did you find out I am going to school? It appears to me you are too smart to be a human. What are you, please tell me?
Did anyone get one? Thinking about it.
lol @ thread

guy says its a copy paste and where from

tech users cannot grasp how to google for original source
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