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    Angelfairee's attempt to buy a new car. Part 2.

    Right, if you saw my thread a couple of weeks ago you will know that:
    a) I'm trying to buy a new car. I say I...my dad is forking out the cash.
    b) I'm stupid and know nothing about cars.

    Thus: I have problems.

    Having found a car that I want, I have to ring the garage and ask about prices and try to get it for as little of my Dad's money as possible. Apparently I have to do this instead of him so that I can learn some kind of car/life lesson, which I don't appreciate.

    The price of the car is £7995. There's no part exchange and we will pay cash if it makes it cheaper.

    I need some help on how to get the price down, what I should say and...everything like that. I also want the stupid stripes taken off my shiny car, and I want to test drive it.

    I need someone clever to tell me what to say! Left to my own devices last time my initial question was 'Is it shiny?'

    Serious.

    150 Comments

    Original Poster

    This is my (prospective) new baby:

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/angelfairee/IMG_0154-1.jpg

    Where are you buying it from and what car is it? That's a good starting point for your approach

    cash buyer £5500

    subscribed for the lulz

    :-D

    Original Poster

    pghstochaj;7355447

    Where are you buying it from and what car is it? That's a good starting … Where are you buying it from and what car is it? That's a good starting point for your approach



    Umm. I'm buying it from a Ford garage and it's a Fiesta ST.

    choc1969;7355452

    cash buyer £5500



    Seriously :?

    Supermod

    Low cut top and a fresh minty breath.

    angelfairee;7355469

    Umm. I'm buying it from a Ford garage and it's a Fiesta ST.Seriously :?



    magicjay1986;7355480

    Low cut top and a fresh minty breath.



    Seriously......:thumbsup:

    Not many people with cash in their hands.....its a buyers market :-D

    Whats the cars book value ?

    Original Poster

    StevenA2000_uk;7355466

    subscribed for the lulz :-D



    magicjay1986;7355480

    Low cut top and a fresh minty breath.



    You two are so not helpful. Useless men. :x

    choc1969;7355494

    Seriously......:thumbsup:Not many people with cash in their hands.....its … Seriously......:thumbsup:Not many people with cash in their hands.....its a buyers market :-DWhats the cars book value ?



    The....what? :whistling:

    Tell dad you paid £5500 for it. Ill give you the £1500 :-D

    angelfairee;7355469

    Umm. I'm buying it from a Ford garage and it's a Fiesta ST.Seriously :?



    You need to check the price of other cars to compare the value, then your starting point will be "I like the car but..." and go from there. Assuming it is reasonably priced, you may get up to about 10% off. I assume it's not a ST TDCI? If it is, you will find it more difficult to get the price down. You need to find out any problems on it (dents, scratches, marks, service work needing to be done in the near future such as brakes or tyres) and use that to push the price down, or get them to throw that work into it. Normally it comes down to their margin though as to how far they will want to move.

    Taking the vinyl off may be very easy, but it also might damage the paintwork and/or be hiding something underneath. They will do that for free at the garage though normally, but make you think they are doing you a world of favours.

    choc1969;7355452

    cash buyer £5500



    I would be astounded if even the best buyer could get any where near that sort of price for a car on at £8000, a dealer would make you feel very uncomfortable and potentially ask you to leave if you said that was your offer, it looks like a time wasting offer.

    Unfortunately cash is not a good thing to a dealer, they want their cut for the finance.

    angelfairee;7355510

    You two are so not helpful. Useless men. :xThe....what? :whistling:



    book-value.co.uk/

    MEN!! stay away - the OP has spoken.

    This thread should be amusing... btw OP the "stupid stripes" that you want to remove are factory fit to the Fiesta ST so good luck with that, but then again - they're not as useless as men eh!?! *groan*

    pghstochaj;7355546

    I would be astounded if even the best buyer could get any where near that … I would be astounded if even the best buyer could get any where near that sort of price for a car on at £8000, a dealer would make you feel very uncomfortable and potentially ask you to leave if you said that was your offer, it looks like a time wasting offer.Unfortunately cash is not a good thing to a dealer, they want their cut for the finance.



    Maybe the dealers in the SW are a bit dodgy lol but my brothers seem to get really good deals by being cheeky

    ps the £5500 was a joke :whistling:

    Banned

    angelfairee;7355438

    This is my (prospective) new baby:



    Was it parked somewhere when they were marking the road?

    Why aren't you buying new?

    PS dont offer any "services" to get the price down. (It might have the opposite effect!)

    have u gat a car now Angel?

    Original Poster

    deek72;7355516

    Tell dad you paid £5500 for it. Ill give you the £1500 :-D



    Woohooooooo!

    pghstochaj;7355517

    You need to check the price of other cars to compare the value, then your … You need to check the price of other cars to compare the value, then your starting point will be "I like the car but..." and go from there. Assuming it is reasonably priced, you may get up to about 10% off. I assume it's not a ST TDCI? If it is, you will find it more difficult to get the price down. You need to find out any problems on it (dents, scratches, marks, service work needing to be done in the near future such as brakes or tyres) and use that to push the price down, or get them to throw that work into it. Normally it comes down to their margin though as to how far they will want to move.Taking the vinyl off may be very easy, but it also might damage the paintwork and/or be hiding something underneath. They will do that for free at the garage though normally, but make you think they are doing you a world of favours.



    There are only 3 of them in the area surrounding where I live. The other two are on at £7595, so I was going to say that. I went to see it yesterday and there aren't any scratches or dents or damage to it at all...it's shiny. If the others are £7595 and I'm paying cash etc etc, how much would be a general figure that (in your opinion) they might offer? I know it's at their discretion etc, but I'm wondering how far I can push it without sounding stupid.

    I often sound stupid so I find it difficult not to do it at the best of times. :whistling:

    madmattie2k;7355554

    MEN!! stay away - the OP has spoken.This thread should be amusing... btw … MEN!! stay away - the OP has spoken.This thread should be amusing... btw OP the "stupid stripes" that you want to remove are factory fit to the Fiesta ST so good luck with that, but then again - they're not as useless as men eh!?! *groan*



    Completely removable though, regardless of whether factory or dealer fit.

    pghstochaj;7355595

    Completely removable though, regardless of whether factory or dealer fit.



    Yeah true but subject to paint UV fade issues depending on age and cleaning regime...

    I mean have u enquired re the insurance on that car? it'll be quite a high group

    Can't ur dad come iwth you? if your not confident haggling he will know and you will end up paying £9000!

    Simple answer -

    Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. End of.

    karaokecolin;7355652

    Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. … Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. End of.



    Agreed.

    angelfairee;7355593

    Woohooooooo!There are only 3 of them in the area surrounding where I … Woohooooooo!There are only 3 of them in the area surrounding where I live. The other two are on at £7595, so I was going to say that. I went to see it yesterday and there aren't any scratches or dents or damage to it at all...it's shiny. If the others are £7595 and I'm paying cash etc etc, how much would be a general figure that (in your opinion) they might offer? I know it's at their discretion etc, but I'm wondering how far I can push it without sounding stupid.I often sound stupid so I find it difficult not to do it at the best of times. :whistling:



    It depends how serviceable the car is, i.e. tyre tread depth (new set of reasonable tyres will be around £250-350), when/if the brakes have been replaced etc. etc. If everything is good, then the percentage is lower than if everything needs doing (in which cases you have to think very carefully and they might throw it into the deal). It also depends on you and how you feel about negotiation, they will initially say the price is £8000 and that's that, end of, and it's how you response then that matters. I don't know the car enough to know what your target price should be, how desirable, how long the dealer has had it etc. but low to mid 7k should be possible, ending on mid 7.5k (on the assumption that £8k is a reasonable value of the car for a forecourt). 5% to 15% is a typical target.

    karaokecolin;7355652

    Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. … Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. End of.



    :roll:

    i think you should go in there with the low cut like said and try to talk to the sleaziest looking guy, flirt, giggle, tease. he'd think he's in and will offer a better discount. my step mum did it at a bmw garage. got 4k knocked off the car, my dad and myself went to pick it up. funny as **** seeing the look on his face. remember, sex sells. also be sure to see the full service history for the car, look on autotrader.com at similar cars for a price comparison. any other dealers in local area selling the same car? x

    Nice car but it isn't the cheapest to own especially if it's no longer covered by a 3 year Ford warranty - will the dealer throw one in for you? I got 6 months with mine.

    Also might be worth taking someone with you who knows something about cars (no offence!) - it's the type of car that's thrashed to within an inch of it's life by early 20 somethings, plenty of them around here. Failing that the likes of the RAC will give the car a once over for you - not cheap but peace of mind especially if you are forking out the best part of 8k. If it isn't full service history (1 year / 12,500 miles I think - was on the Focus equivilant) then that's a haggling opportunity.

    Ace Hayward;7355679

    i think you should go in there with the low cut like said and try to talk … i think you should go in there with the low cut like said and try to talk to the sleaziest looking guy, flirt, giggle, tease. . remember, sex sells.



    I think this only works if you're pretty though.............:whistling:

    Original Poster

    madmattie2k;7355554

    MEN!! stay away - the OP has spoken.This thread should be amusing... btw … MEN!! stay away - the OP has spoken.This thread should be amusing... btw OP the "stupid stripes" that you want to remove are factory fit to the Fiesta ST so good luck with that, but then again - they're not as useless as men eh!?! *groan*



    I love it when unhelpful people come into my thread, don't get my sense of humour and then attempt to offend me at the same time. It's my favourite! Well done.

    guv;7355575

    Was it parked somewhere when they were marking the road?Why aren't you … Was it parked somewhere when they were marking the road?Why aren't you buying new?PS dont offer any "services" to get the price down. (It might have the opposite effect!)



    I don't want a new one, I want that one!

    deek72;7355586

    have u gat a car now Angel?



    Yes. I have a Corsa.

    snowflake;7355594

    ok from a girls point of view be very careful, go with what others have … ok from a girls point of view be very careful, go with what others have said and do your research on similar cars, autotrader, book price, etc, ring a few dealers you will be surprised..say you have a similar car to sell..what would they give you for it etc..it really will enlighten you ;-) ok, I know nothing about cars in engines etc but my Dad was a second hand car 'dealer' he had 13 garages on the go before he passed away and although many years ago land he taught me to look for so much more..full service history...cars DO still get clocked..much more than people realise..look for alignment on the doors..the lights tiny little things like that show it could have been a write off..and always always get a hpi check..another little thing i would do is test drive it down to a local garage and ask them to give it a quick look over, or get an rac check etc Good luck hun ;-)



    Thanks! As much as I sound ditzy I'm not an idiot (as I'm sure many in this thread like to think). I have called another dealer about another one locally and seen the other one that's around here as well. I went to have a look at that car yesterday and checked it over and all seems ok, obviously I'll do it again more thoroughly a second time if I go to test drive it and make sure there's a full service history etc etc.

    Thanks :thumbsup:

    deek72;7355624

    I mean have u enquired re the insurance on that car? it'll be quite a … I mean have u enquired re the insurance on that car? it'll be quite a high group



    I'm not paying for that either.

    deek72;7355646

    Can't ur dad come iwth you? if your not confident haggling he will know … Can't ur dad come iwth you? if your not confident haggling he will know and you will end up paying £9000!



    I'm sure he'd step in if I end up looking like an absolute idiot. I'm going to initially do this on the phone anyway. I don't think even an idiot like me would end up paying more than the asking price

    karaokecolin;7355652

    Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. … Simple answer - Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Anything. At all. End of.



    :-D

    deek72;7355700

    I think this only works if you're pretty though.............:whistling:



    trust me on this 1, angel is FINE!

    Ace Hayward;7355738

    trust me on this 1, angel is FINE!



    Don't believe you........Angel! are u pretty? ;-) Are you breathtakingly pretty? ;-)

    snowflake;7355743

    She's gorgeous, but not true anyway..guys who work in garages sit there … She's gorgeous, but not true anyway..guys who work in garages sit there with dirty clothes and oily rags and engines day in day out..any woman with a nice smile and manners will cheer mr garage guys day up..:roll:



    having a moment .........:o

    men in garages :w00t:

    deek72;7355745

    Don't believe you........Angel! are u pretty? ;-)



    she very pretty :thumbsup:

    angelfairee;7355728

    I love it when unhelpful people come into my thread, don't get my sense … I love it when unhelpful people come into my thread, don't get my sense of humour and then attempt to offend me at the same time. It's my favourite! Well done.I don't want a new one, I want that one!Yes. I have a Corsa.Thanks! As much as I sound ditzy I'm not an idiot (as I'm sure many in this thread like to think). I have called another dealer about another one locally and seen the other one that's around here as well. I went to have a look at that car yesterday and checked it over and all seems ok, obviously I'll do it again more thoroughly a second time if I go to test drive it and make sure there's a full service history etc etc.Thanks :thumbsup:I'm not paying for that either.I'm sure he'd step in if I end up looking like an absolute idiot. I'm going to initially do this on the phone anyway. I don't think even an idiot like me would end up paying more than the asking price :p:-D



    Just don't make the mistake of being excited and make it obvious that you want the car. My current car was the first one that I had bought on my own. Unfortunately I made it obvious that I was going to buy it after the test drive, it was extremely well priced already, not very common in the spec I wanted and I got a good P-ex on my old car. The dealer could have increased the price and I still would have paid it, hence I wasn't able to get much off.

    I think the idea of taking an obvious (if made up) short list of other cars in the area you are considering would help.

    Original Poster

    pghstochaj;7355668

    It depends how serviceable the car is, i.e. tyre tread depth (new set of … It depends how serviceable the car is, i.e. tyre tread depth (new set of reasonable tyres will be around £250-350), when/if the brakes have been replaced etc. etc. If everything is good, then the percentage is lower than if everything needs doing (in which cases you have to think very carefully and they might throw it into the deal). It also depends on you and how you feel about negotiation, they will initially say the price is £8000 and that's that, end of, and it's how you response then that matters. I don't know the car enough to know what your target price should be, how desirable, how long the dealer has had it etc. but low to mid 7k should be possible, ending on mid 7.5k (on the assumption that £8k is a reasonable value of the car for a forecourt). 5% to 15% is a typical target.



    Thank youuuuuuuuu! I'm going to construct some kind of ACTION PLAN.

    Ace Hayward;7355679

    i think you should go in there with the low cut like said and try to talk … i think you should go in there with the low cut like said and try to talk to the sleaziest looking guy, flirt, giggle, tease. he'd think he's in and will offer a better discount. my step mum did it at a bmw garage. got 4k knocked off the car, my dad and myself went to pick it up. funny as **** seeing the look on his face. remember, sex sells. also be sure to see the full service history for the car, look on autotrader.com at similar cars for a price comparison. any other dealers in local area selling the same car? x



    I'll have you know I'm actually quite shy!

    pghstochaj;7355725

    This might be … This might be helpful:http://blog.preloved.co.uk/fuseaction-blog.permalink/blogPostId-9/207291ce.htmland:http://www.usedcaradvisor.co.uk/franchised-dealers-guide-buying-used-car.htmland:http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=71779



    Thank you! I will have a look at those.

    deek72;7355745

    Don't believe you........Angel! are u pretty? ;-)



    No!

    angelfairee;7355783

    No!



    Didn't think you would be.....................

    i know you're shy babes, but sometimes you have to give that little bit to get it. i could come with you if you need moral support x

    Original Poster

    AberBargoed;7355696

    Nice car but it isn't the cheapest to own especially if it's no longer … Nice car but it isn't the cheapest to own especially if it's no longer covered by a 3 year Ford warranty - will the dealer throw one in for you? I got 6 months with mine.Also might be worth taking someone with you who knows something about cars (no offence!) - it's the type of car that's thrashed to within an inch of it's life by early 20 somethings, plenty of them around here. Failing that the likes of the RAC will give the car a once over for you - not cheap but peace of mind especially if you are forking out the best part of 8k. If it isn't full service history (1 year / 12,500 miles I think - was on the Focus equivilant) then that's a haggling opportunity.



    Thanks. Initially I'm just going to talk to them on the phone for prices etc, if I do end up going down there again I will take someone with me.

    deek72;7355792

    Didn't think you would be.....................



    snowflake;7355818

    She is, she is lovely /gorgeous:roll:



    If that would help me buy a car I'd be happy!

    pghstochaj;7355781

    Just don't make the mistake of being excited and make it obvious that you … Just don't make the mistake of being excited and make it obvious that you want the car. My current car was the first one that I had bought on my own. Unfortunately I made it obvious that I was going to buy it after the test drive, it was extremely well priced already, not very common in the spec I wanted and I got a good P-ex on my old car. The dealer could have increased the price and I still would have paid it, hence I wasn't able to get much off. I think the idea of taking an obvious (if made up) short list of other cars in the area you are considering would help.



    I think I'll be proud of myself it I manage to get £5 off it at this rate, I am useless. Thanks for your help. I'm going to give them a ring tomorrow (assuming it's even open) and attempt to sound like I know what I'm talkiing about...

    angelfairee;7355876

    Thanks. Initially I'm just going to talk to them on the phone for prices … Thanks. Initially I'm just going to talk to them on the phone for prices etc, if I do end up going down there again I will take someone with me.If that would help me buy a car I'd be happy!I think I'll be proud of myself it I manage to get £5 off it at this rate, I am useless. Thanks for your help. I'm going to give them a ring tomorrow (assuming it's even open) and attempt to sound like I know what I'm talkiing about...



    £5 is £5 better off in your dad's pocket than your own. You should go down and see them rather than phone, unless you have something very simple to deal with?

    No much of a reason to get money off if you're not saving your own money
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